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  1. I don't know. I think you have to have fun while you're here. That's about all I know. It would be a waste not to, right?

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  2. About to start showing some stuff off, yeah. I hope we have YouTube channel. I mean, one of the challenges is it's one thing to show athletic skills on YouTube. Showing cognitive function is a lot harder. And I haven't quite figured out yet how that's going to work.

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  3. Some people think I'm in a rut, right? Why don't I do it? And in fact, some of the inspiration for the AI Institute is to say, okay, I've been working on locomotion for however many years it was. Let's do something else. And it's a really fascinating and interesting challenge.

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  4. How close you can get, you know, the other version of that is Try and figure out what you want to do and do that because I don't think a lot of people think that they're in a channel, right? And there's only limited opportunities. It's usually wider than they think.

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  5. When I was teaching at MIT, for a while I had undergraduate advisees where people would have to meet with me once a semester or something. And they frequently would ask what they should do. And I think the advice I used to give was something like, well, if you had no constraints on you No resource constraints, no opportunity constraints, and no skill constraints. What would you could you imagine doing? And I said, well, start there. And see how close you can get. What's realistic

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  6. I'd rather talk about this a guy when we were doing a lot of DARPA work. There was a marine Ed Tovar, who's still around, who what he would always say is when someone would say, oh, you can't do that, he'd say, why not? It's a great question. I ask all the time when I'm thinking We're not going to do that. And I think why not? And I give him credit for opening my eyes too. Resisting that.

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  7. Someone told me once that I was wearing one when I only had one or two. And they said, oh, those things are so old-fashioned. You can't wear that mark. And I stopped wearing them for about a week. And then I said, I'm not going to let them tell me what to do. And so. Every day since, pretty much

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  8. A little bit like that line in the Oppenheimer movie where they contemplate whether the first time they set off a reaction, all matter on Earth is going to go up. I don't remember what the verb they used was for the chain reaction, right? Yeah, I guess. Possible, but I don't think I personally don't think it's worth worrying about that. I think that it's an opportunity, balancing opportunities and risk. I think if you take any technology, there's opportunity and risk. And it's easy to point at the car. They pollute and they about 1.25 million people get killed every year around the world because of them. Despite that, I think they're a boon to humankind. And those technical problems can be solved. I think they are becoming safer. I think they're becoming less polluting, at least some of them are.

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  9. Absolutely, yes. Do you find that threatening? So, I don't understand even if computers were smarter than people why we should assume that that's a threat. Especially since they could easily be smarter but still available to us or under our control, which is basically how computers generally are.

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  10. I think that intelligence is a lot of different things, and I think some things computers are already smarter than people, and some things they're not even close. And, you know, I think you need a menu of detailed categories to come up with that. But I also think that the conversation that seems to be happening about AGIs puzzles me. It's sort So I ask you a question. Do you think there's anybody smarter than you in the world?

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  11. It's also true that the companies making those things. There have been a lot of failures in recent times, right? There's that one year when I think three of them went under. So it's not that easy to do that, right? Getting performance, safety, and cost all to be where they need to be at the same time is. That's

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  12. This is old fashioned. I mean, there'sn't fixed arms doing manufacturing. I don't want to. Say that they're not making money.

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  13. Mean right now, the use case is the key thing having realistic use cases that are money making. In robotics is a big challenge. There's the warehouse use case. That's probably the only thing that makes anybody any money in robotics at this point.

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  14. I think there's a huge way to go. I don't think we've seen the bottom of it or the bottom interns lower prices. I think you should be totally optimistic that asymptote, things don't have to be anything like as expensive as they are now. Back to competition, I wanted to say one thing. I think in the quadruped space, having other people selling quadrupeds is a great thing for Boston Dynamics because the question, I believe the question in the user's minds is which quadruped do I want? It's not, oh, can I want a quadruped? Can a quadruped do my job? It's much more like that, which is a great place for it to be. And then you're just doing the things you normally do to make your product better and compete and selling and all that stuff. And that'll be the way it is with humanoids at some point.

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  15. Stuff. It feels much more like a competition. The entry requirements in terms of computing hardware and the skills of the team are hiring talent. It's a much tougher place. So I think much more about competition now on the cognitive side. On the physical side, it doesn't feel like it's that much about competition yet. Obviously, with 10 humanoid companies out there, 10 or 12, I mean, there's probably others that I don't know about. They're definitely in competition. We'll be in competition.

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  16. I think that. I don't think about competition that much. I'm not a commercial guy. I think for many years at the many years I was at Boston Dynamics, we didn't think about competition. We were just kind of doing our thing. There wasn't like there were products out there that we were competing with. Maybe there was some competition for DARPA funding, which we got a lot of, got very good at getting. But even there, in a couple of cases where we might have competed, we ended up just being the robot provider. That is for the little dog program, you know, we just made the robots. We didn't participate as developers except for developing the robot. And in the Darpert Robotics Challenge, we didn't compete. In the AI world now, now that we're working on cognitive...

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  17. It doesn't feel that much like. Well, there's some areas that feel like a playground, but it's not like they're all froliced together.

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  18. We have a bunch of different robots. We bought everything we could buy. So we have spots. I think we have a good size fleet of them. I don't know how many it is, but a good sized fleet. We have a couple of animal robots. You know, Animal is a company founded by Marco Hutter, even though he's not that involved anymore, but we have a couple of those. We have a bunch of arms like Francis and U.S. robotics. Because, you know, even though we have ambitions to build stuff and we are starting to build stuff, you know, day one, getting off the ground, we just bought stuff.

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  19. I would love to host that, you know. Now that I'm not at Boston Dynamics, I'm not officially connected. I am on the board, but I'm not officially connected. I would love to host

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  20. I've visited Eptronic, and I think they have a good team and they're doing well. But Elon has a lot of resources. He has a lot of ambition. I'd like to take some credit for his ambition, I think. I think if I read between the lines, it's hard not to think that him seeing what Atlas is doing is a little bit of an inspiration. I hope so.

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  21. I really admire Elon as a technologist, I think, that what he did with Tesla is just totally mind-boggling that he could go from this totally niche Area that less than 1% of anybody seemed to be interested to making it so that essentially every car company in the world is trying to do what he's done. So you got to give it to him. Then look at SpaceX. He's basically replaced NASA. If you could, that might be a little exaggeration, but not by much. So you got to admire the guy. And, you know, I wouldn't count him out for anything. I don't think Optimists today is where Atlas is, for instance. I don't know. It's a little hard to compare them to the other companies. I visited Figure. I think they're doing well and they have a good team.

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  22. So it was, and we thank YouTube for that. YouTube came. We caught the YouTube wave, and it had a huge impact on our company.

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  23. At Boston Dynamics, it put us on the map. I remember interviewing some sales guy, and he was from a company. And he said, well, no one's ever heard of my company, but we have products, you know, really good products. You guys, everybody knows who you are, but you don't have any products at all, which was true.

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  24. Technically, being happy, there used to be a time when I was doing the machine shop work myself back in those JPL and Caltech days. When, if I came home smelling like the machine shop, you know, because it's an oily place. My wife would say, oh, you had a good day today. You could tell.

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  25. And then over the years, we, you know, I think we achieved the same or better levels of engineering. Meanwhile, Sarkoz got acquired and then they went through all kinds of changes. And I don't know exactly what their current status is. So it took many years as part of the answer. I think you got to find people who love it. In the early days, we paid a little less. So we only got people who were doing it because. Because they really loved it. We also hired people who might not have professional degrees, people who were building bicycles and building kayaks. We have some people who come from that kind of the maker world. And that's really important for the kind of work we do to have that be part of the mix.

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  26. I think you even need to have an environment where interesting engineers, well, you know, it's a chicken and egg. If you have an environment where interesting engineering is going on, then engineers want to work there. I think it took a long time to develop that at Boston Dynamics. In fact, when we started, although I had the experience of building things in the leg lab, both at CMU and at MIT, we weren't that sophisticated of an engineering thing compared to what Boston Dynamics is now. But it was our ambition to do that. And Sarkos was another robot company. So I always thought of us as being this much on the computing side and this much on the hardware side. And they were like this

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  27. And we can reverse things like if you watch a human do robot animation, which is a dance style where you jerk around sort of and you pop and pop and lock and all that stuff. I think the robots could show up to the humans by doing unstable oscillations and things that are faster than a person could do. So that's sort of on my, you know, my. Plan, but we haven't quite gotten there yet.

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  28. It's also a challenge. We get asked to have our robots perform with famous dancers. And they can, you know, they have 200 degrees of freedom or something, right? Every little... Ripple and thing, and they have all this head and neck and shoulders and stuff. The robots mostly don't have all that stuff, and it's a daunting challenge to not look stupid. Physically stupid next to them. So Pretty much avoided that kind of performance, but we'll get to it.

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  29. One of the cool things going on, you know that there's a class at Brown University called Choreorobotics, Sydney Skybert. Is a dancer, choreographer, and he teamed up with Stephanie Telex, who's a computer science professor. And they taught this class. And I think they have some graduate students help him teach it, where they have two spots and people come in. I think it's 50-50 of computer science people and dance people. And they do program performances that are very interesting. I show some of them sometimes when I give a talk.

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  30. We hope to take that forward and make it more tuned to how the dance world wants to talk, wants to communicate, and get better performances. I mean, we've done a lot, but there's still a lot possible. And I'd like to have performances where the robots are dancing with people. So right now, almost everything that we've done on dancing is to a fixed time base. So once you press go, the robot does its thing and plays out its thing. It's not listening. It's not watching, but I think it should do those things.

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  31. I mean, I'd like to do dancing that starts, you know, we're nowhere near the dancing capabilities of a human. We've been having a ballerina in who's kind of a well-known ballerina, and she's been programming the robot. We've been working on the tools that can make it so that she can use her way of talking, way of doing a choreography or something like that more accessible to get the robot to do things. Starting to produce some interesting stuff.

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  32. Or if it's a high performance act where it's doing it faster, bigger than other robots. Usually we're not doing it bigger, faster than people, but we're getting there in a few narrow dimensions.

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  33. Think sort of with going back to the pieces of that, you design a linkage that turns out to be half the weight and just as strong. That's very satisfying. There are people who do that and it's a creative

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  34. Bringing metal to life or machine to life is kind of fun. And it was fun doing the dancing videos where got a huge public response. And we're going to do more. We're doing some at the institute.

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  35. Engineering. I think it's both being a scientist or getting to use science at the same time as being kind of an artist or a creator because you're making some, you know, scientists only get to describe to study what's out there and engineers get to make stuff that didn't exist before. And so it's really, I think, a higher calling, even though I think most of the public out there think science is top and engineering is somehow secondary, but I think it's the other way around.

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  36. Way that being engineered is good. I think the third thing is that if you're lucky to be working in a team where you're getting the benefit of other people's skills that are helping you do your thing, none of us has all the skills needed to do most of these projects. And if you have a team where you're working well with the others, that can be very satisfying. And then if you're an engineer, you also usually get paid.

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  37. Fun, technical fun. I usually have technical fun. I think that life as an engineer is really satisfying. I think you get to, you know, to some degree, it can be like crafts work where you get to do things with your own hands or your own design or whatever your media is. And it's very satisfying to be able to just do the work unlike a lot of people who have to do something that they don't like doing. I think engineers typically get to do something that they like. And there's a lot of satisfaction from that. Then there's... In many cases, you can have impact on the world somehow because you've done something that other people admire, which is different from the just the craft fun of building a thing. So that's the second.

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  38. It's remarkable. One of the accomplishments of Atlas is that the engineers have made a machine that's robust enough that it can take that kind of testing where it's falling and stuff. And it doesn't break every time. It still breaks. And part of the paradigm is to have people to repair stuff. You got to figure that in if you're going to do this kind of work. I sometimes criticize the people who have their gold-plated thing and they keep it on the shelf and they're afraid to kind of use it. I don't think you can make progress if you're working that way. You need to be ready to have it break and go in there and fix it. It's part of the thing. Plan your budget so you have spare parts and accrue and all that stuff.

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  39. Lots of control of evolution during that time. I think it took six weeks to get those 109 trials. Because there was programming going on. It was actually robot learning, but they were human in the loop helping with the learning. So all data driven.

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  40. There's a video of Atlas climbing three big steps, and it's very dynamic. It's really exciting, real accomplishment. It took 109 tries, and we have video of every one of them. We shoot everything. Again, we, this is at Bostonics. So it took 109 tries. But once it did it, it had a high percentage of success. So it's not like we're cheating by just showing the best one, but we do show the evolved, you know, performance, not everything along the way. But everything along the way is informative. And, you know, it shows sort of stupid things that go wrong, like the robot just when you say go and it collapses right there on the start. That doesn't have to do with the steps or the perception didn't work right. So you missed the target when you jump or something breaks and there's oil flying everywhere. But that's fun

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  41. I mean, it might be the most important ingredient, and that is robotics is hard. It's not going to work right away. So don't be discouraged is all it really means. So usually when I talk about these things, I show videos and I show a long string of outtakes. You have to have courage to be intrepid when you work so hard, you build your machine, you know, and then you're trying and it just doesn't do what you thought it would do, what you want it to do. And, you know, you have to stick to it and keep trying.

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  42. People have criticized, especially the Big Doug videos where there's a human driving the robot. And I understand the criticism now. At the time, we wanted to just show, look, this thing's using its legs to get up the hill. So we focused on showing that, which was, we thought the story. The fact that there's a human, so they were thinking about autonomy, whereas we were thinking about the mobility. And so, you know, we've... Adjusted to a lot of things that we see that people care about. Trying to be honest. We've always tried to be honest.

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  43. Well, you know, I was the final edit for most of the videos up until about three years ago or 40 years ago. And my theory of the video is no explanation. If they can't see it, then it's not the right thing. And if you do something worth showing, then let them see it. Don't interfere with a bunch of titles that slow you down or a bunch of distraction. Just do something worth showing and then show it.

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  44. I learned something very early on with the first three dimensional hopping machine. If you just show a video of it hopping, It's a so what? If you show it falling over a couple of times and you can see how easily and fast it falls over, then you appreciate what the robot's doing when it's doing its thing. So I think the reaction you just gave to the robot getting kind of interfered with or tested while it's going through the door, it's showing you the scope of the solution.

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  45. Again, I'll point at boss dynamics. I think they've done some of the videos that we had showing the engineer making it hard for the robot to do its task, spot opening a door, and then the guy gets there and pushes on the door so it doesn't open the way it's supposed to, pulling on the rope that's attached to the robot. So navigation has been screwed up. We have one where the robot's climbing stairs and an engineer is tugging on a rope that's pulling it back down the stairs. That's totally different than just the robot seeing the stairs, making a model, putting its feet carefully on each step. But that's what probably robotics needs to succeed. And having that broader idea that you want to come up with a robust solution is what I meant.

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  46. If you want a real robot solution, it can't be a very narrow solution that's going to break at the first variation in what the robot does or the environment if it wasn't exactly as you expected it. So how do you get there? I think having an approach that leaves you unsatisfied until you've embraced the bigger problem is the diligence I'm talking about.

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  47. But the interpretation isn't done by the robots yet. And certainly the diagnosing and the fixing isn't done yet. But I think it could be. And that's bringing the AI and combining it with the physical skills to do it.

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  48. I mean, we have others like that. We have one called Inspect Diagnose Fix. Like, you know, you call up the Maytag repairman. Okay, he's the one who you don't have to call, but you call up the dishwasher repair person and they come to your house and they look at your machine. It's already been actually figured out that something doesn't work, but they have to kind of examine it and figure out what's wrong and then fix it. I think robots should be able to do that. Boston Dynamics already has spot robots. Collecting data on machines, things like thermal data, reading the gauges, listening to them, getting sounds, and that data are used to determine whether they're healthy or not.

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  49. Yeah. And you don't know how to do it. And there's easier stuff to do in life. So, you know, I mean, I don't know. What you understand do? It's a mountain of a challenge.

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  50. Sure. Technical fearlessness means being willing to take on a problem that you don't know how to solve. And, you know, study it, figure out an entry point, you know, maybe a simplified version or a simplified solution or something. Learn from the stepping stone and go back and eventually... Make a solution that meets your goals. And I think that's really important

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