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Maria Cantwell

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first: 2024-04-29
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“The irony, but he's one of the people that worked on a task force, but the NASA people were there. Everybody Came together, and that is what we need to do to tackle the information age or harness it, if you will. I mean, there's a lot of good that happens, but we have to harness elements of it. But what does the government need? It needs smart technology people either to work at these agencies or to help understand the dynamic effects of this. And it's a challenge, but we have to step up to it.”
2024-04-29 · On with Kara Swisher · Time for a Data Privacy Bill + the TikTok Crackdown with Senator Maria Cantwell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So there is a whole big other issue here how do you get a workforce within government that is smart as these companies are? And you know darn well that's very hard to do. Very hard. But we have to figure out some way to elevate that debate and discussion. So if they're not working with or in the government, they're at least helping us dissect these issues. So with the FAA example, the bill that we wrote after the two MAX crashes said you need to have what we would, we just call them graybeards, but there are people who really understand technology and can identify for the FAA what some of those next generation technology risks are. And so we had this expert witness panel just two weeks ago, and they did a fabulous job. MIT professor in aviation who just tragically lost his sister in one of the max crashes.”
2024-04-29 · On with Kara Swisher · Time for a Data Privacy Bill + the TikTok Crackdown with Senator Maria Cantwell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I'm not listening. I'm not 100% sure. I mean, they want to trust government, but in this case, the FAA got to be too light touch. And why? Why? Because the technology was moving faster than they could keep pace with.”
2024-04-29 · On with Kara Swisher · Time for a Data Privacy Bill + the TikTok Crackdown with Senator Maria Cantwell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Why is that? Well, I think you've said this. We've said it. Data is being weaponized. But the other thing that's happening is that what I would call it is, you know, basically bean counters have been empowered by information to have more rise within organizations because they can say, oh, this is what we could do and we can make more money. The information has given people a prejudice towards just the money making side of the equation. And we're saying go back to solid engineering. That's what's going to win the day. Solid engineering, listening to the aerospace machinists and the aerospace engineers, and that's what's going to win the day.”
2024-04-29 · On with Kara Swisher · Time for a Data Privacy Bill + the TikTok Crackdown with Senator Maria Cantwell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The system of what we're going to do to stay ahead competitively on AI. We need to have tools immediately to stop actors, bad actors on deep fakes. We have to train and skill a workforce.”
2024-04-29 · On with Kara Swisher · Time for a Data Privacy Bill + the TikTok Crackdown with Senator Maria Cantwell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, back to this privacy law. I guarantee you it's real teeth in the law about algorithms where AI could use information on your sensitive data and then basically feed you something or continue to promulgate that information into discriminatory actions. So it might be, look, we saw this healthcare stuff about you. Now we think you should have a higher health insurance rate. We saw all this information about you and your employment or what have you. Okay, so we're right now saying you can take action against that. But it is important for the US government. My colleague Todd Young and I who introduced this legislation also four years ago introduced legislation that is the premise of what the executive order is. So now we're saying let's take these four responsibilities. The federal government needs to know and understand the”
2024-04-29 · On with Kara Swisher · Time for a Data Privacy Bill + the TikTok Crackdown with Senator Maria Cantwell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Countries. So they know what the rules of the road should be. And everybody else, if they're not complying with that, then you have to be suspect of their products and services.”
2024-04-29 · On with Kara Swisher · Time for a Data Privacy Bill + the TikTok Crackdown with Senator Maria Cantwell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I mean, it does give China the chance to say they created some technology and it got sold on Wall Street and they made whatever $200 billion. Like if I was China, I'd be saying, hey, why don't we claim that we know how to do innovation? What are your two choices? Be known for government backdoor influence or say that you're an innovator. I would take the money and say I'm an innovator. But it is important for us to go back to this technology NATO idea. This isn't about picking on any one country. This is about saying these are the standards of the information age. And you should say this is you got to respect intellectual property. You can't have government backdoors. You have to have transparency. The things that we all could define and uniformly define. And then that would help everybody. It would help Americans understand, oh, these are the standards. These are the international standards of countries that are democracies and sophisticated technologies.”
2024-04-29 · On with Kara Swisher · Time for a Data Privacy Bill + the TikTok Crackdown with Senator Maria Cantwell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, I have, I'm not sure, I don't know why he does anything, really. I don't know why he does anything, but I think that the process here is for the US government to, in earnest over the next six months, really try to get this figured out.”
2024-04-29 · On with Kara Swisher · Time for a Data Privacy Bill + the TikTok Crackdown with Senator Maria Cantwell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The Republicans, although the Republicans in the Senate were like, no, no, no, we don't want to go there because we're worried that it's going to give power to somebody and that they're going to step on free speech. And they just drank that Kool-Aid and we just kept saying, that's not what this does. Our governments asking us for a tool that'll stand up in court. Let's give them one.”
2024-04-29 · On with Kara Swisher · Time for a Data Privacy Bill + the TikTok Crackdown with Senator Maria Cantwell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I mean, like formulaic and how they were going to roll this out. And I mean, it's not lost on me that there's been this China committee and that the House Republicans particularly, I mean, I believe in a more cooperation model that you compete and cooperate on various things, that it's not just black and white. But the committee over there, I think, had been working. So you could tell that that was a priority for them to do something. And I think I don't know how long it took you to have to talk to Gallagher or Chris the Murphy about that, like how long they were on the, you know, the side of keeping this quiet. But I have to say, I was surprised. We had been talking to a lot of people at DOJ and commerce and others about the Guard Act because we kept trying to figure out how we could get.”
2024-04-29 · On with Kara Swisher · Time for a Data Privacy Bill + the TikTok Crackdown with Senator Maria Cantwell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, I don't, you know, I don't know that we were trying to keep it within a small group of people. I mean, Mark Warner put something out the Restrict Act and they just attacked the hell out of that. And we put the Guard Act out. You know, they didn't really attack the Guard Act. I mean, they probably thought, okay, well, good luck getting that passed. I don't know what they thought, but they didn't attack it with the same. Yeah, the same gusto they did restrict. But I do think the House colleagues thread, they basically looks like maybe a little more”
2024-04-29 · On with Kara Swisher · Time for a Data Privacy Bill + the TikTok Crackdown with Senator Maria Cantwell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, I went through, again, don't thank anybody runs to a floor speech from the United States Senate, but I did go through the Rutgers information that was published in a report recently about the kinds of activities where you show similar platforms and their ratios and how is it that you can have like 5,000 times more statements about the Dalai Lama or Tenement Square on Instagram.”
2024-04-29 · On with Kara Swisher · Time for a Data Privacy Bill + the TikTok Crackdown with Senator Maria Cantwell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“For sure, the JIDES government. Look, there's indications that they're taking the most vulnerable in our society and targeting them because of their vulnerabilities and then sending them content that just accelerates that vulnerability. And that is what we got to put a stop to. And if U.S. companies are doing that too, just because they want to make some money, kind of like what the Facebook whistleblower said on the algorithm that increased hate speech. And they said, oh, it makes us more money. So we're going to do it. No, no, no. Put a stop to that. Put a stop to that.”
2024-04-29 · On with Kara Swisher · Time for a Data Privacy Bill + the TikTok Crackdown with Senator Maria Cantwell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, everybody wants, just like I mentioned, in the early days of Real Networks, you want a thousand flowers to bloom. That was the power of the internet that anybody could become a broadcaster. Okay, so yeah, we love that. And we love that because we're Americans and we believe in free speech. And when you think about what that allows us to do, lots of things that people get to express their opinion. But being lectured about free speech from a dictator is pretty crazy when you can't even, you know, I mean, they're basically, you know, controlling that information, not just in China, but in nefarious actions that could be happening on these platforms. So the key thing here is for us to continue to evangelize this issue. We want no government backdoors. Just like I fought on Clipper Chip, just like I'm fighting now, no government backdoors. That's not the Chinese.”
2024-04-29 · On with Kara Swisher · Time for a Data Privacy Bill + the TikTok Crackdown with Senator Maria Cantwell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right. Well, you know, Grinder is another example where the other thing happened, where we were successful at getting the divestiture. And so we do think it can be successful. And so myself and Warner went out to the floor to talk about the purpose and findings in a little more detail so that we had that for the record and to talk about what we're really concerned about, that this is not to be punitive. It's not to punish bite dance or TikTok, but to make sure that U.S. citizens or US military aren't hurt by nefarious actions that could be taken by an algorithm that basically could be pushed into the system by a government entity. And so we have put that into the record. It probably wouldn't have had any more clout if it was in the bill than it is than what we just did, but we wanted to get that out there. But the key thing is to give our government the tools.”
2024-04-29 · On with Kara Swisher · Time for a Data Privacy Bill + the TikTok Crackdown with Senator Maria Cantwell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“China. So, but the bottom line is here this bill was coming and we gave them changes, but the one that they felt most comfortable with was the point we were making on turning it into a true divestiture. And how did you do that by giving enough time for people to communicate about?”
2024-04-29 · On with Kara Swisher · Time for a Data Privacy Bill + the TikTok Crackdown with Senator Maria Cantwell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“No, the Guard Act, which I introduced, was the real way I think we should deal with this, and this is listening to DOJ in the two cases, Montana and Trump cases, where they lost, you know, we realized that we had to have something on the constitutionality that would hold up in court. And so we wanted to craft that because we didn't think this was going to be the last time we'd have to use it. And we think with hardware, we still have liability too. And that's why I'm for a technology NATO, like, okay, you big five sophisticated democracies, you know, US, Europe, Japan, you set the rules of the road on how the information age should work on this. And because your democracies and your sophisticated technologies, and then just tell the rest of the world, look, if you want to sell a product into this system, then you need to meet this standard too. Right. And that way it won't feel so personalized. Yeah, it won't feel so personalized to, you know, to...”
2024-04-29 · On with Kara Swisher · Time for a Data Privacy Bill + the TikTok Crackdown with Senator Maria Cantwell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, I kept saying, why didn't I put it on a sign like media in a big way? Because we wouldn't let them own ABC News and we wouldn't let them do programming of ABC News, right? So we would, you know, we thought about other tools. But in the end, we realized that we had to figure out how to turn this really into a divestment bill and give time for a negotiation to take place and that the House tool being so targeted towards six months really wasn't going to pull that off.”
2024-04-29 · On with Kara Swisher · Time for a Data Privacy Bill + the TikTok Crackdown with Senator Maria Cantwell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yes, yes. And so when the house popped out this bill and we met with the sponsors in a secure location to talk about all of this, none of that I'm revealing, nothing secret here. But they just said this is the only way we got this done. We couldn't give the authority to anybody. We couldn't. They didn't think that their coalition of people would support saying, yes, Department of Commerce or Department of Justice or what have you, that they could only do it by just passing it this way. And I realized then that that was going to make it that the Guard Act as a tool wasn't likely, you know, if I could have put that on the table. Now we considered other things. The notion that the FCC, you know, because really, you know, the social part should be the small part. The media part should be the big part.”
2024-04-29 · On with Kara Swisher · Time for a Data Privacy Bill + the TikTok Crackdown with Senator Maria Cantwell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right, because the purview that you've just described. Is pretty broad that people out there are on the Republican side, oh, there's a deep state. You can't trust anybody. You can't give anybody new powers. You can't give a president new powers. You can't give Department of Commerce new powers. You can't do this. And so I was running into this at the same time we were negotiating with DOJ and commerce and everybody and working with people. But we put it out there because we thought we do need a tool. I mean, we can't have Huawei in the hardware situation and we can't have another software situation come up in the future. We really do need a tool here, a government process. But when the house said.”
2024-04-29 · On with Kara Swisher · Time for a Data Privacy Bill + the TikTok Crackdown with Senator Maria Cantwell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, well, the truth of the matter is, but again, this is where all things get confused because we don't have enough journalism. We more than a year ago drafted a bill called the Guard Act, which said, let's create this tool within the federal government, so similar to Siphius.”
2024-04-29 · On with Kara Swisher · Time for a Data Privacy Bill + the TikTok Crackdown with Senator Maria Cantwell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Discussion. So, talk a little bit about that. We don't have enough time. I mean, it's a long story. Everybody's claiming free speech violations. And the TikTok example is a perfect example. We were trying to do something, but everybody said, oh, no, no, this is about free speech. Well, it wasn't. It was about a government backdoor that could be doing nefarious things. And how does the government have a line that says, no, you can't do this? You're not thinking about the election, but I think generally around here, people think by the time you get to May, it's all over. Like, no one's going to do anything or let anybody do anything because it's too close to an election. So I think what we need to do is pursue this legislation and make sure that people understand that it is a real tool that could aid in so much of what”
2024-04-29 · On with Kara Swisher · Time for a Data Privacy Bill + the TikTok Crackdown with Senator Maria Cantwell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Helps push back on the amount of data and information that's flowing from you and really clarify this, not necessarily changing 230. But if someone was creating real harm, then we would pursue that. So I guess the best I can say is that it's going to be a continued debate. How much does reining in ISPs for their liability matter when it comes to the citizens? And to me, it matters in the context of protecting them right now with their most sensitive data and information. So you're going to...”
2024-04-29 · On with Kara Swisher · Time for a Data Privacy Bill + the TikTok Crackdown with Senator Maria Cantwell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“This debate, which is very alive and well, I guess you would say, in Congress where people are equating that kind of hate speech with free speech, and we're trying to say, no, no, no, that is hate speech. And we are trying to make sure that in our privacy law that we could get somewhere with a law that basically”
2024-04-29 · On with Kara Swisher · Time for a Data Privacy Bill + the TikTok Crackdown with Senator Maria Cantwell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So it was when ISPs would post or have information that was about the trafficking of women. And we were like, no, no, no, you have a liability here to take that down. And I would say, you know, the AWS case against Parlor, where they basically took down information because they were the host and basically there was information on parlor where people were like, yeah, go attack the capital. And AWS took that down. So there are”
2024-04-29 · On with Kara Swisher · Time for a Data Privacy Bill + the TikTok Crackdown with Senator Maria Cantwell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, it's obviously a very big question, and he's right about the amount of debate. I would say that when it came to the back page issue, we were like, no, we need to change it.”
2024-04-29 · On with Kara Swisher · Time for a Data Privacy Bill + the TikTok Crackdown with Senator Maria Cantwell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It shows that you can pass these things, even though there's big powers and big influence who are confusing the message. That you still can prevail.”
2024-04-29 · On with Kara Swisher · Time for a Data Privacy Bill + the TikTok Crackdown with Senator Maria Cantwell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The Senate Republicans have stepped back on binding arbitration. There was a provision that just got passed very quickly where on this issue of sexual assault and sexual harassment. The Senate said, no, no, no, you shouldn't be stuck in binding arbitration with the company that you think has caused you this harm. And I do think there are other Republican senators who are saying, no, no, no, no, you can't be stuck in binding arbitration.”
2024-04-29 · On with Kara Swisher · Time for a Data Privacy Bill + the TikTok Crackdown with Senator Maria Cantwell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, that's a good question. That's a good, you know, not, do I think this is a sure bet? No, of course not. This is, it takes time. But I do think that privacy as an issue in the information age or even just in this last bill that came over from the House that we voted on, which was the whole supplemental, also had a data broker bill in there that basically showed that data brokers May not be your best friends. They may be a little bit more of the villain in this play. And I think people are waking up to that and the public is waking up to that. And so they're saying, how can you protect me? So over the last couple years.”
2024-04-29 · On with Kara Swisher · Time for a Data Privacy Bill + the TikTok Crackdown with Senator Maria Cantwell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I mean, you have until the end of the year to pass it, and then we're going to give it our best shot. I mean, we're going to have hearings and we're going to talk in more detail about why this is so important and what it does. But we've had a couple of people already who's, you know, the National Association of Broadcasters and Industry that's been very decimated by all this advertising switch to online. Microsoft has said some good things about it and we have some other more conservative groups who testified and said good things about it. So I think people are seeing, wait, wait, this might be how we achieve this.”
2024-04-29 · On with Kara Swisher · Time for a Data Privacy Bill + the TikTok Crackdown with Senator Maria Cantwell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, my colleague had a hearing in her committee on it. We're going to have hearings in the Senate on it. We hope to take action and move forward on it. I think that it is the right framework. I do think it's, again, as I mentioned, the AI discussion probably kick-started people into higher gear again because they thought this is something that I think they got how the information age is going to continue to unfold when they saw AI. They were like, oh, this is going to kick it up even more. Right. So we need a tool. So this was people, you know, who really may or may not have been that active in this debate. I mean, obviously, on this particular piece of legislation, we have been going round and round since 2019.”
2024-04-29 · On with Kara Swisher · Time for a Data Privacy Bill + the TikTok Crackdown with Senator Maria Cantwell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And so, real harm is being done, and I think people have now come to grips with the fact that these companies aren't, that if you're in binding arbitration with them, you're not going to get anywhere. And so you want to give T.”
2024-04-29 · On with Kara Swisher · Time for a Data Privacy Bill + the TikTok Crackdown with Senator Maria Cantwell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, there's a lot of money spent in Washington to get a weak bill. Okay. And that March, to get a weak bill, happened when the states started getting stronger bills. And so that really only happened in the last whatever six or seven, maybe a little longer. I don't know when the earliest privacy bill done by a state was, but you can see they're trying to clamp that down. But, you know, California passing by initiative of the people, you know, that's an even higher standard, right? That wasn't just the state legislature. So nobody in California is going to think about overriding that. And so, but they really came to DC thinking, well, we'll correct this problem. We'll just pass this very weak federal bill. So that fight, I think people didn't really understand what was at stake. They didn't understand all the harm. Now, I mean, I had a constituent tell me the other day that her aunt had shelled out $60,000 because somebody sent her an AI video because Facebook had showed how much she likes Kevin Costner and she thinks Kevin Costner really wants to come visit her in Seattle, Washington.”
2024-04-29 · On with Kara Swisher · Time for a Data Privacy Bill + the TikTok Crackdown with Senator Maria Cantwell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It's better policy, but we have thread the needle. So California has passed something, but they don't have a private right of action except for in one instance. So we're getting a federal private right of action across the board. But we have kept both Illinois and California have already put on the books. And so we think that preserves what people have voted for and yet gives us the ability to get something very strong at the federal level.”
2024-04-29 · On with Kara Swisher · Time for a Data Privacy Bill + the TikTok Crackdown with Senator Maria Cantwell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Companies who do keep in store data have to have better hygiene. You can't just hire a 20 year old who knows very little about the safety, forgets to do a patch, forgets to fix the software, even though there's been one available for four weeks, that you have to treat people's data with if you are a big data store with more certainty and correctiveness. Or yes, you could be liable for those actions as well.”
2024-04-29 · On with Kara Swisher · Time for a Data Privacy Bill + the TikTok Crackdown with Senator Maria Cantwell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, just on this point for a second, because the European model is a little bit bureaucratic and it's similar to the FTC, I'm not saying we don't have to have a strong FTC. I'm just saying You know these people move very fast and they will continue to move fast. And so I'm just a firm believer that if you create that private right, you're planning an acorn that will grow into a very mighty oak. And that is what we truly need. And that system is better than what the European model is because we're not stopping the bad behavior. They're just moving faster. And I guess that is also what I learned working in the industry is how fast they can continue to move. So, okay, what else are we trying to do? We're saying that you can't have an algorithm that's discriminatory. We are taking your civil rights and putting it into a federal standard that relates to software code. So you can't have a code that red lines against people or uses information to discriminate against them. And we're saying those”
2024-04-29 · On with Kara Swisher · Time for a Data Privacy Bill + the TikTok Crackdown with Senator Maria Cantwell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, I'm saying this is if you want a federal law, which I do because I still want the information age to one fold, but I also think that it's in danger. There's a lot of challenges that it's putting on us, like the demise of the free press and less information. And obviously, really harm to U.S. citizens. And even potentially when you have some of this data escape, harm to U.S. military. And so we need a strong standard. So this says we will create a federal preemption But the standard is that if you have cause substantial harm, that you have a right to correct and that you have a private right of action. So we think that's a very strong tool. And the reason why...”
2024-04-29 · On with Kara Swisher · Time for a Data Privacy Bill + the TikTok Crackdown with Senator Maria Cantwell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That we needed that bright line. So when AI happened, I think all of a sudden there was a moment again where people were just saying out loud at hearings, oh, we need a strong privacy law. They got that AI was going to put whatever was happening on steroids and that maybe they were right. We needed something strong.”
2024-04-29 · On with Kara Swisher · Time for a Data Privacy Bill + the TikTok Crackdown with Senator Maria Cantwell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Of that, but in reality, I know what the game is. The game is let's pass a privacy law say that we did, you know, maybe be even European and not be effective. And what I knew that we had a shot at doing if more people would understand that we didn't really have that bright line and that the information age was going to continue to unfold.”
2024-04-29 · On with Kara Swisher · Time for a Data Privacy Bill + the TikTok Crackdown with Senator Maria Cantwell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And those states, whether you're talking about California or Illinois or other places, were successful, that meant that they wanted to come and get a very weak federal law that would supersede them. So from the moment I became the ranking member, I've just been chased around the halls every day by the same question, when are we going to pass a privacy bill? But they mean a weak federal standard. And so this too was like the cavalcade of that, who I think people really thought they could put pressure on us to pass a weak bill and run over states. And I knew all along that there's no way California would go for that. I mean, so I wasn't really worried. It is, you know, it is painful at times to be, you know, acute.”
2024-04-29 · On with Kara Swisher · Time for a Data Privacy Bill + the TikTok Crackdown with Senator Maria Cantwell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, no, that's right. That's right. So the point is, as states during this time period, as big tech has stopped Congress from passing legislation, lobbying against it, the one entity that they didn't really effectively stop is states started passing strong privacy laws”
2024-04-29 · On with Kara Swisher · Time for a Data Privacy Bill + the TikTok Crackdown with Senator Maria Cantwell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think, you know, when you look at the industry and where it's gone, and we've been definitely a proponent of some of the changes we were able to get, like on the back page and making sure that internet ISPs didn't put up language that would enable trafficking and things of women. But yeah, big tech is pretty powerful. And I think people thought that both DOJ and FTC could handle a lot of this. And I think what we found over the last 10 years is that, yeah, the FTC can find these companies, but does it stop the bad behavior? If you can get a $5 billion check from Google or Facebook and for their violations, and you think that that sounds, you know, like something, did it really change behavior? And I think that what we've learned is it doesn't change behavior. No.”
2024-04-29 · On with Kara Swisher · Time for a Data Privacy Bill + the TikTok Crackdown with Senator Maria Cantwell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, very proud that we led the charge against what I would say is government overreach, just like with the clipper chip. We took on John Ashcroft on Magic Lantern, which right after 9-11, there were a lot of attempts to try to go further than people wanted to go on technology. And really, I think violated what we're trying to stop, just like with the TikTok battle. We're trying to stop any government from overreaching into the privacy of U.S. citizens. But we were successful in passing some legislation that basically helped prevent identity theft and things of that nature, but getting to the ranking member and chairmanship of the committee has given me the leverage to help get legislation passed.”
2024-04-29 · On with Kara Swisher · Time for a Data Privacy Bill + the TikTok Crackdown with Senator Maria Cantwell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That you have to have in the C suite people evangelizing that these are the things you shouldn't do. Now, obviously, the world is so different than then. I mean, when you think about where we are today, oh my God, it's like, but it taught me that only these bright lines where you say you can't do this or the company will be sued is what is going to get the general counsel and the CEO and the CFO and everybody on the same page squashing these kinds of activities.”
2024-04-29 · On with Kara Swisher · Time for a Data Privacy Bill + the TikTok Crackdown with Senator Maria Cantwell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, I think, first of all, I had no idea that this is what the code was and that somebody wrote it. So that right away got my attention because yes, the good news is Rob stood up right away and said, no, no, no, we got to take this out. We're not doing this and helped lead a industry standard setting for privacy. But what it taught me is I kept thinking, well, how in God's name did this happen if the CFO or the general counsel or somebody hadn't said here's a bright line? And why was it that a bunch of developers thought that that was okay to put into a code and people didn't really know about it? Now my sense is a competitor probably who wanted to compete with real networks is the one who figured that out and then and explained it to people. And to me, it showed why you need a very bright line.”
2024-04-29 · On with Kara Swisher · Time for a Data Privacy Bill + the TikTok Crackdown with Senator Maria Cantwell · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“In this kind of enlightenment of the public and people commenting could be a very positive thing. So you're right. It was a very different internet than today. But at the same time, there was some of the same things. I remember you and I, and I went back and looked at my stories, had...”
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“Hardware solution and just being a freshman member of Congress, I thought that was like a horrible idea and that we weren't going to succeed, you know, in the marketplace. So after that, I'd really became close with Nathan Mirvold, somebody who was kind of a mentored me at Microsoft, at Microsoft. So the early days, it was incredibly exciting to be pioneers in that space and to really help what is now the streaming media industry that exists today. But one of the earliest things was in the Bosnian conflict, the radio got shut down in a broadcaster in the Netherlands, picked it up, and said, this is what's going on in that strife. And so all of a sudden, you could see how a thousand flowers could bloom.”
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“Knew what was happening, and you were, just for people to know, you were vice president of marketing at Real Networks. And yeah, so I'd love to get an idea of how did the tech formulate you? Because, you know, obviously both of Walt and I had big privacy. We talked about privacy almost all the time, the idea of the violations of privacy. And we're going to get into your bill and everything else, but talk about how it shaped your time working in tech, because you were early tech, which is a very different tech than today tech. I was just having a discussion with Jim Lanzone, who's now running Yahoo. There was a different internet then. It was a different attitude and everything else. Well, we, first of all, I had met Rob when I was in the House of Representatives for a very short term, led the charge against the administration's then Clinton Gore Clipper Chip. And we were successful at defeating that because it was an idea of let's have a government back door.”
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“Mossburg because one of the key things during that time period was that all our product reviews lived or died by Walt Mossberg. So he had such a tremendous impact on the industry. And I don't think people today understand that and understand that that's like a validation process. So when you think about where we are today with algorithms and trying to have a little more transparency about what algorithms or AI might do, the fact that there weren't people like Want Mossberg in a very deliberative review process that software went through, not just with him, but I mean a whole sector, that those reviews were third party looking at the code and then saying, yes, this is what it does and this is how well it does it and this is where it's bad. And anyway, that was just an interesting time. Yeah.”
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