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Maria Ressa

lines on the record: 103
first: 2018-11-26
most recent: 2018-11-26
sittings or episodes: 1
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“All of us, but I think it's also made us stronger when you're forged in fire. You know, it's a, you come out stronger. So again, crisis and opportunity for me. I think this is an opportunity for us to help determine what the future will be like, not just for journalists, but certainly in the Philippines. We play a large role in that, right? And because No boundaries in nation states. Now all of a sudden, what's happening in the Philippines is impacting you here in the United States and vice versa. Got to move.”
2018-11-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How disinformation poisoned a ‘Facebook nation’ · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, they're not pleased. But, you know, at CNN, so I would walk in, I was doing conflict reporting, right? So CNN was great. They had somebody assigned to take care of my mom. So she wouldn't call me.”
2018-11-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How disinformation poisoned a ‘Facebook nation’ · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think the difference here is will they realize they are now protecting the public sphere or forget protecting because they're not protecting it. Will they realize that they are now the guys who have to protect democracy? And what does that mean for business? News groups, this is what I said at ICFJ. Newsgroups, we give up.”
2018-11-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How disinformation poisoned a ‘Facebook nation’ · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The United States. It is a whole yeah, that's why I said the expense of education in Mark Zuckerberg. That was the whole point. Take a course on Socrates and Plato and then get back to me, perhaps a little Hamiltonian lessons or whatever. Just go through Franklin quick. We'll do a quick course on the humanities.”
2018-11-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How disinformation poisoned a ‘Facebook nation’ · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“We drank the Kool-Aid. We are a Facebook nation. And I hope now they realize that they have to help protect us. I think one of the biggest things where I knew we were in trouble was early on in early July 2016, I said, look, look at these attacks against me. And they said, You're a public figure. But guess what? In the real world, our constitution, like the US constitution, has protection for journalists because of the jobs that we do. That wasn't encoded into Facebook's. And regulations, right? So I think that's part of the thinking. But again, to be optimistic, I think they recognize this and have hired some of these real world people who can help. And I hope they do it quickly because it's not just the business. It's not just your reputation of the United States. It is a whole.”
2018-11-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How disinformation poisoned a ‘Facebook nation’ · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“They I mean, that's I think they have to move into the real world. Because I think, you know, again, if you look at that Times investigation, they think that this is still. A game of business. It is the world, right? Move fast, break things. You can't break the world. And you need to fix it when you're the only one who has the power to do it. If these social media platforms wait for government, countries like us, every day that no action is taken, people die. And they need to.”
2018-11-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How disinformation poisoned a ‘Facebook nation’ · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think this time. Is part of the reason why we cannot be complacent, hence why I wrote in the Times they recognized everything. They weaponized the First Amendment. They have amplified and weaponized, and they are digital arms dealers. That's what I, you know what I mean? That's what I call them. And they got furious. And I was like, what? The truth hurts. Like, this is what you've done.”
2018-11-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How disinformation poisoned a ‘Facebook nation’ · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“But I think here's the difference today. I think that the technology that can now be used by digital authoritarians. There's a report by Freedom House. China is B2B So I think this time period is very different. That is part of the reason we cannot be complacent.”
2018-11-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How disinformation poisoned a ‘Facebook nation’ · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Where are we? Is there a chance that he could lose elections, or is the fix so in that he creates a creator? There's a point where you had 30 some years of Marco. These things ultimately, let me just say, all you dictators, you ultimately end up in a drain pipe begging for your life and then dying. You end up Ceausescu. You end up Hitler in the bunker. You end up, that's where the end is for all of you, as far as I can tell. Like, you know what I mean? History does spin forward in that regard. And so no matter what, you end up in the drain pipe. I just think of Gaddafi. I think of like all of these dictators.”
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“That's correct. We're of the same generation. Right. I think that, and this is part of the reason I continue to be vocal. There are these moments, right? In January this year, when the government tried to revoke our license, it was a moment. It was a wake up call. And we felt the community, not just in the Philippines, but global. The government forgets. I spent 20 years of my life working for an international news group. And that response also surprised the government. And I think that was part of the reason things told. Pulled back. This time around, I hope Saner Heads prevail, you know, because I think.”
2018-11-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How disinformation poisoned a ‘Facebook nation’ · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Are people for you too? Because what's happened, I think, is people become anestheticized to this by having this stuff. thrown at them every day and then they don't care like I was thinking of Trump stuff my mom who is not pro-Trump is suddenly like oh he's fine like you know I'm like what no he's not fine like what are you talking about”
2018-11-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How disinformation poisoned a ‘Facebook nation’ · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, but think about it like this it takes a decade. Again, they fast-track the case against this. Power can do anything. But the other side of We have a whole community in the Philippines. Right? I want.”
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“And I think that's what this whole thing. So when I look for what is the ray of hope, the ray of hope is that I know who I am. And I know, and my team knows who they are. Our mission is very, very clear. We're doing excellent work and we'll continue doing excellent”
2018-11-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How disinformation poisoned a ‘Facebook nation’ · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“One of the things for me, I've spent my entire career, my entire life. My life has been my career. And I've spent it living according to this code, right? And when you're tested, you can't actually buckle. You can't because then you're not who you are.”
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“But this is it right now. Literally, that's what I was thinking in my head. I need to get you out of this job. Mark needs to go. That's right. Or go there. This is the damage, these are people's lives. And when I tried to bother him about, I'm so angry right now. I couldn't get an answer. Then you have to go there and feel the impact of what you've done. Because I don't think they get that. I don't think. I think there's a real disconnect. I think they understand.”
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“The data is there. Take down the networks. Take down the terrorist networks Restore order. Be the gatekeepers, right? Why, again, this idea of letting lies live. If it's a lie, if someone is saying there are three bottles of water here, why even let that statement there? As journalists one. But as journalists, right? We were the gatekeepers and we didn't let lies get into the public sphere. And I think that at some point the technology platforms are going to have to deal with that.”
2018-11-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How disinformation poisoned a ‘Facebook nation’ · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And Rappler. The legal cases, right? They're not the problem. They're not the problem. So you're spending time with lawyers and not doing journalism. You're being targeted continually online. You've appealing to Facebook. Have you met with them since you've been here? Yes.”
2018-11-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How disinformation poisoned a ‘Facebook nation’ · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, you know what the Omediar network did is because they wanted to, it was so ludicrous the charge. So they actually donated their shares to the journalists and Rappler. So the 14 of us took the PDRs, the Philippine Depository receipts. And they're there. They're behind us. They just issued another statement, but they wanted to get rid of the problem. We haven't even gotten to that point in the legal cases right here.”
2018-11-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How disinformation poisoned a ‘Facebook nation’ · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“But even our, you know, this is a very specialized instrument. So this top law firm in the Philippines gave us significant discounts. On a Sunday, I'm sitting around the table under 25 lawyers around me. Right. That's not where I want to be.”
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“So we actually have two former cabinet secretaries who have come in, and this is a wartime board. This is a board that knows we have cases against us. We've spent tremendous amount of money, money we could have used to grow on legal.”
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“I mean, this is our mission, right? And I think some of the debates that we had, regardless, at the beginning, it was like, how far do you go? The journalists were the largest group of shareholders we were able to hold the line, right? Hold on, right? And we kept moving forward. When the cases came We've really been running it on our own. Our investors are important.”
2018-11-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How disinformation poisoned a ‘Facebook nation’ · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You know, after all the cases were filed against us, four of seven board directors resigned, partly because they were also, imagine a cyber libel case and they filed the cyber libel case, not just against the editorial, but also against the board. Right.”
2018-11-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How disinformation poisoned a ‘Facebook nation’ · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Maria, go ahead. Right now, Xi Jinping is the state visit of China is happening, and my team is doing a great job at it. I think that the best part with the founders of Rappler is that we each have our roles. There's somebody who takes care of video because we came from television, someone who takes care of our editorial agenda. I take care of making sure that the roof is over our heads.”
2018-11-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How disinformation poisoned a ‘Facebook nation’ · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And then the other one is, even though we have one leader, whether you have Trump or whether you have Duterte. In the United States, your institutions work. In my country, institutions are co-opted already. But there are men and women there who have conscience. And these are the values that we're going to put in place.”
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“Truth tellers to the point that we have no facts to begin any discussion with. We are, I mean, we're throwing everything out in this landscape. There are two people I'm appealing to, the groups. One is... Social media. Facebook. Yeah, I please convince Mark Zuckerberg, right? I'm sure.”
2018-11-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How disinformation poisoned a ‘Facebook nation’ · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That gets jailed because we're trying to redefine what journalism is like in my country. But that's extremely exciting. And I think that with leaders like Trump, like Duterte, appealing to the worst of human nature, and then the social media platforms allowing that, allowing exponential lies to be used against”
2018-11-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How disinformation poisoned a ‘Facebook nation’ · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“President Duterte by the end of his term will appoint 13 of 15 Supreme Court justices. Anyone in their 40s who wants to be a Supreme Court justice? I just hope that in ICFJ, my appeal is to the men and women inside government who will touch our case among them, right? But the people who will hold the line, why do I keep saying hold the line? Because we're not taking a position. What we are doing is we are holding the line and letting you know when our constitution is violated, when your rights are being taken away from you, we want to alert you to that. That's what our journalism is showing. We showed them in the using data. We showed them that they were being manipulated. And yet it took another year before people really understood what that meant. I think this is, all right, let me pull back. The cool thing about all of this is that we're going to redefining and redesigning the world. I just don't want to be the person.”
2018-11-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How disinformation poisoned a ‘Facebook nation’ · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“They had just a bunch of clever lawyers coming at you. So it's sort of like Mark Whittaker running the Justice Department there, which is the fixes in. But then you have the courts. Is the fix in there too?”
2018-11-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How disinformation poisoned a ‘Facebook nation’ · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Which is wrong. But, you know, it doesn't matter. Now they were pushing us through to trial. There isn't enough. I've just looked at our motion for reconsideration and it is like trying to tell me that I have to like fight to be Maria Ressa. Right. It's like Alison wanted the world”
2018-11-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How disinformation poisoned a ‘Facebook nation’ · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yes. The tax evasion one 10 days ago, the government just announced that the Justice Department announced that I would be indicted and rappler holdings, which is our holding company, and our accountant, poor accountant, KPMG is our accountant here, right? But indicted because, and here's the case, they reclassified Rappler. We're not a journalist. We're not a news group. We are a dealer insecurities.”
2018-11-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How disinformation poisoned a ‘Facebook nation’ · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So, the first, I mean, there are six or seven of them. There were seven of them. We actually won one. But the mother case is that we are being influenced, that we are being controlled by foreigners. All right.”
2018-11-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How disinformation poisoned a ‘Facebook nation’ · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So I actually think this next phase is better than the exponential attacks on Facebook. Because when President Duterte in his second State of the Nation address in July of 2017 singles us out, he doesn't, he attacks the top television network, but he singles us out and says this rappler is foreign-owned or 100% owned by foreigners. And I couldn't help myself because we were live. So I automatically tweeted back, Mr. President, you're wrong. We are, you know, I want my independence. This is part of the reason we set up Rappler. And then within a week, the first investigations began. And then the cases came in.”
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“They twist the dials. It can be about community and involvement and everything else. So you go there and then the government's turning the screws, they're not just attacking you online with just a bunch of rude remarks. This happened on Twitter too? Same thing.”
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“One person One person who didn't finish college. Like, I'm sorry, like, who doesn't seem to care? And that's the issue. And I just, the more and more I think about the more angry I get. So you do this, they come at you then. You're doing this stuff because you want to work with these platforms because they should be for good. Like you said at the beginning. And they can be. I can't believe that is.”
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“And if we don't clear. Starting January this year Right, right, right. That's exactly right. That's exactly. I always say freedom from speech doesn't mean freedom from consequence. That's what I'm trying to get to them. And it's fascinating that just this recent reaction, I thought maybe they got it and then he went right back like a rubber. Is this recent? Yeah, he's got in front of everyone last Friday and said this New York Times report is bullshit. We use the word bullshit, which is just such a 12? Like, first of all, he's a man with children. Stop it. Like, stop, like, act like an adult that you should be. Secondly, that we're being under attack. We're going to, like, it's just, it's literally like you need to stop or you need to leave. That's what I, you know what I mean?”
2018-11-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How disinformation poisoned a ‘Facebook nation’ · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Or frenemies. I am both, we were one of the alpha partners. We are one of their two fact-checking partners in the Philippines. And we work with Facebook because frankly, to me, that's going to be part of our future. Yes. And if we don't clean it up in time for our May 2019 elections, we will, I can't even fathom what the world is like. I think they're making headway. Starting January this year, they hired somebody, Nathaniel Gleicher, who used to work in counterterrorism. I think this is the way to deal with this. You have to look at it as bad networks. And what do we do with that? And they are going to have to move away from this free speech thing because free speech is being used to stifle free speech. Right, right.”
2018-11-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How disinformation poisoned a ‘Facebook nation’ · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right, exactly. So you've asked them to do this, which I just am angrier than ever. I have to tell you, I'm just like every day, you know, and what infuriates me right now is their response saying it's bullshit and that Mark said this in front of everyone and that they're being attacked. That is the most reprehensible take on some of these criticisms that I can think of. It is reprehensible is what it is.”
2018-11-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How disinformation poisoned a ‘Facebook nation’ · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right. 2017. Right The Philippines Right, that they're being used to abuse. They're using their platform. What I always say is just with the Russians in this lecture, the Russians didn't hack anything. They were customers. Their customers. They were able to.”
2018-11-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How disinformation poisoned a ‘Facebook nation’ · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, I watched all, I mean, listened to all your interviews with them, you know, but it wasn't until Bloomberg came out with a story in December of 2017. Right. So how many years have I been talking about this already? And then finally, a month ago or a few weeks ago, the first, the outermost layer of the onion, the outermost skin has been peeled and Facebook took down proterta pages in the Philippines. And ironically, of course, it's the pro-duter pages and pro-Marcos pages. It's exactly what we've been saying. The data is there.”
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“Not for a very long time. I mean, and then another friend inside the company actually said, you know, you're going to have to tell your story. And I said, we do it all the time. We have so many series on this. And then she said, you have to do it in American media. Thank you, Kara. No problem. You should call me before this.”
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“But I always use this phrase enlightened self interest in ASEAN, Association of Southeast Asian Nations. That was the whole thing of how we need to work together for our own self-interest. I use that with them all the time. You have to have enlightened self-criticism. Was there any result that?”
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“That's why media is such a tough business, and Facebook is not because they don't do any of the rules. And they don't, in Myanmar, they didn't write the rules till after the killings. It just goes on and on and on. I just want to honestly, it's infuriating on so many. But”
2018-11-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How disinformation poisoned a ‘Facebook nation’ · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Anyway, you know, at the ICFJ, what I said is that our gatekeeping powers are gone. We trained our whole lives, standards and ethics, right? We live to the mission of journalism. And we cleaned up the public sphere. We made sure that democracy could stay alive. Well, now the platforms have it. The technology platforms have it.”
2018-11-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How disinformation poisoned a ‘Facebook nation’ · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Never signed up for it. People who didn't have the ability to. And then they say they want to leave it to be a free speech platform. It just kills me. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no expression.”
2018-11-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How disinformation poisoned a ‘Facebook nation’ · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right. But here's the problem, do you realize that freedom of expression globally is now being determined by minimum wage earners, people who never signed up for it, people who didn't have the ability to...”
2018-11-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How disinformation poisoned a ‘Facebook nation’ · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So it's on an end. We had signed all these things. But one of the things that was open to everybody, you know, I said, Mark. 97% of Filipinos on the internet are on Facebook. I invited him to come to the Philippines because he had to see the impact of this because you have to understand the impact things that journalists want to do. He was frowning when I was saying that I said, why? Why? And he said, oh, well, what are the other 3% doing, Maria?”
2018-11-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How disinformation poisoned a ‘Facebook nation’ · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I did. I mean, by April of 2017, I had spoken to maybe 50 officials, people who I had worked with, people who knew me, including Mark Zuckerberg. I was one of half a dozen CEOs of companies that worked with Facebook that had lunch with him during the F8. And then I had a small chance to talk to him.”
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“I gave them the data. Out of the three people that I spoke with in Singapore are no longer with Facebook. And one of the things that I said is I was trying to tell them how important this is. And I said, look, you've got elections in the United States and Trump could win. And they look at, you know, we all laughed because in August of 2016, it didn't look like that was going to happen. And then when he won, the one person who stayed asked me for the data again.”
2018-11-26 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Recode Decode: How disinformation poisoned a ‘Facebook nation’ · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, it is. Right, exactly. But I consider them bots. Yes, they're trolls. So they're trolls. So you get this happening, and then they raise the idea that you're CIA. So it's a slow build of we're going to get you, and then the government steps in.”
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“Later Think they get pulled into. What happens is these bots go into action and then humans also get ginned up by it. You can watch the bots move and then humans move into it because they think it's real. And so that's, and then they get the courage to be assholes, really. You know, it's fascinating to watch. At one point, a friend of mine who's a New York Times reporter was responding to a bunch of hate stuff, and I said, that's a bot, you're responding to stop. Don't do it. Don't do it. Don't talk to the bots kind of thing. But it creates a really bad situation for the journalist or whoever.”
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