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Marina Litvinenko

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first: 2023-01-23
most recent: 2023-01-23
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“I'm a city person, yes. And when you move to London, what is great city as well? You just don't feel you have something to regret about. But it's about your friends, people. But I have less and less people I might be missing. And it's not Moscow anymore for what I left. Moscow was always very tough city to live. I do understand Ukrainian way they're fighting for their country because these people understand what does it mean land. It just belonged. And I see how they are nostalgic. All people, Ukrainian who I know here, they missed Ukraine so much. And if I'm not going to Russia soon, but I'm definitely going to Ukraine. And what I said, we all need to be a little bit Ukrainian.”
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“You know, it's difficult to say every time when you discuss about nostalgia, I'm from Moscow. I'm like a city, I can't say go”
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“Not at all. I really am proud of him. He started to sign everything, Anatoly Litvinenka. We still have British name when we received political. But Anatoli is proud to be Anatoly Litienenka.”
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“To do that. No, this was some kind of exchange when this was public inquiry and Luga was sent some t-shirt with a let's go drink tea with polonium or something like this. This was all this exchange. But this one just shown how in Russia all works. All cut, all cut is not linked between different servers, different organizations.”
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“Not very common not. I'll tell you even more hilarious story. When Sasha, of course, he never reached his 50s. But when he was 50s, he received a letter. Congratulations with your 50s. Did people knew this? I don't believe it was a black humor. No, they don't. They're just. They just congratulated him as an officer to celebrate his”
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“I received this news from a friend of mine who lives in this flat when Anatoly Litvinenka, our son, is a residential still beat because we never give up our Russian citizens. And when he called me, these two guys came from military office to ask for Anatoli Litvinenka to go to serve for this war. I was absolutely shocked. First time they tried to make contact when Anatoly reached her 17th like all young men in Russia supposed to be registered in the military office when they became 18 to go to serf. And this was the first time when my then alive mom received this letter. And I had communication to this office myself, director said he can't be registered. We live now in And I still don't believe they have not even understanding who is Alexandra Litvinenka, who is his son. And I think it's like all in Russia.”
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“I think David Tennant now is the greatest example of humanity. He's a great star. He attracted now a new generation watching this story because young people who might be just born 16 years ago, but because they like David Tennant and they will watch this and they will have this all explanation for what happened in 2006.”
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“I don't think so. Many people from Russia who are in prison now or who get out, they still think exactly the same and very loud. It depends who is listening to you. I hope people trust me because it's my personal story. I have no political reason. I'm not representing any business. I only show be human.”
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“Intimidation No, I don't. I still surprise when people recognize me. I don't feel myself any celebrity and I don't feel people read a lot about politics, but I'm still stopping sometimes and people say, thank you very much for what they are doing. And for me, I think it's the best.”
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“British. And when it was even last my statement after finishing public inquiry, he brought a dog. And this was dog barking all time. And it was everybody been so angry because one side is a dog. You can't do nothing with this dog. But this dog was so close to my leg. And my lawyer, she was worried if I moved and this dog might bite me. You know, this situation was very, very dangerous for all of us. And I kicked this dog as well because I like dog very much. And this was the same. And for me, it was just like de ju when I saw this guy. So”
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“Very interesting. When I had my GSO process of justice and when I had the time to get from court and making some statement, I always had a guy behind me who tried to distract and make some attention. But he was mostly with some nuclear dust. He had some placard. And everybody hated him. When it was alone.”
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“I was recently in this area because I visited a grave of my husband, what is in a high gate cemetery. And one man just me, oh, I'm so sorry. I saw you recently for this opening ceremony. And he told me it was the right things to do. I know what is happening in Ukraine. I know what happened to your husband. And I said, I hope you all these residents supporting this. He said, yes, it's not a problem.”
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“And for me, it's obvious that try to make these people and pushing people to make this protest, to show how they dislike it, or some people saying good about Russia. I always see these people behind.”
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“For me, maybe I'm not right. I always see Russian behind with this because this place was very close to Russian trade companies.”
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“bank naturally for him it would be the best scenario but for what is happening now between Ukraine and scenarius and the success from Ukrainian army and now everybody talking about Crimea if it be taken back for Putin it would be all damaged Always try to show himself as a person who brings a land back, who rebuild Russian Empire, if it happened. And why he fighting against Ukraine? Because Ukraine draft out from Russia Empire. Russia never going to be or saved empire without Ukraine. And he can't agree with this.”
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“When France was invaded, how many people supported Nazis? 10% of population, and the same 10% came for this fighting. majority being just like, okay,”
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“When we had only TV, radio, and people lived in Soviet Union, they knew this all communist party foolish, these old people staying one by one, then bang one by one people. Of course, it was difficult to live with all total control, but it was not so much brainwashed. And now when people had chance to travel abroad to watch West programs and now to believe it's all right with war in Ukraine, this is a very serious point how they've been brainwashed. But majority Russian populations, they still very, I would say, immature. If you switch off different programs and started to talk in different way, you will not say they became politically more activated, but they're never going to support Putin on the street. I'll give this example about Second World War.”
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“We have to remember in 2000-2001 privatization was completely finished. We have an oligarchs, rich people controlling business, and everything became more or less civilized. But for systems who represent Putin, it was not right, and they wanted to make a change. They wanted to bring this all under control. And of course, they need to make this all change step by step. has to see this all normal.”
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“Exactly they never fight against each other. They fight against each other, but for who will be in the top. And Sasha tried to explore this old system, starts working for Spanish authorities because they prove this strong connection between organized crime and people from government who decide who is going to be next minister.”
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“Is very simple. Sasha was not involved to Birzovsky. Sasha, if I just finish this opinion, because it's very important to understand, when we're talking about mafia, imagine Italian mafia, it's something in America, in some influence to government. But anyway, government fight against mafia. Every time we have some kind of score how much. But in Russia, it was a mafia state itself.”
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“And it became worse since 90s, and this was first Sasha's view. He started to work for central quarter. He was moved from army, and he started to see this old system from inside, how this service who became very criminal, because many former KGB officers looked like they resigned. They stopped working for new service because it looks like all been destroyed. And they started this war with a criminal, not like a proper war, just connecting to each other. You don't touch us, you don't touch us. And then these people knew.”
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“And when we're talking about if Putin gone, we have to remember, is it still B system who created Putin, who never been destroyed with Soviet Union collapsing in 1991? We have to remember Communist Party and KGB were this two head of Soviet Union. And building this country for more than 70 years, and be sure you destroyed immediately just one movement, it was not possible.”
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“was not the Altsen. I believe it was a chance to this kind of democratic society to believe they're doing it, they're doing this themselves.”
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“and criminal. He was somebody from St. Petersburg. He came to Moscow and he was selected from Moscow. And this was obvious not to Putin and not a family of Boris Yeltsin, former president of Russia, who decided to bring Putin to this.”
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“First of all, I would like to say Putin was a virtual figure. Nobody really knew about him. Nothing. He looked like a Western. He speaks German. He became looking more smarter. But if you saw him back to his St. Petersburg era, he was awful. He was absolutely awful.”
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“Sasha knew his history of being a Vitzimer of St. Petersburg. And St. Petersburg was named as a criminal capital of Russia.”
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“If you take history of Putin's regime, he every time make a war, makes a war. He started with apartment bombing in 1999 and Second World in Chechnya. Then he needed this in Georgia in 2008. Then he needs this in Ukraine in 2014. He always needs to support himself as a dictator, making people frightening, make this all propaganda media working harder because of the war.”
2023-01-23 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 2: Marina Litvinenko: Fighting Putin's poison · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“In some way, yes. And I had a lot of nice friends and place in Ukraine, and actually it was for winter hiking. And I believed it's a good time to go. I have a break in February. I knew it was a little bit unsafe in some way, but it was too far from east. And if something happened, I knew I would be safe. But when it all happened 24th of February, everybody tried to push me out from country. I said, no way. I have my tickets 28th of People not been frightening. And I saw the never give up. They will fight to the end. I didn't believe this war started as brutal as it started in the beginning, but I never have idea they will fail. Never.”
2023-01-23 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 2: Marina Litvinenko: Fighting Putin's poison · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Maybe it was a little bit risky idea and quite innocent. I went to Ukraine not to monitoring Russian army or what might happen. It was a beautiful place in Ukraine, west of Ukraine. Close to Slovakia, and I would say I didn't take any risk because all 10 started in the East Partnership.”
2023-01-23 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 2: Marina Litvinenko: Fighting Putin's poison · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“For what happened in Ukraine now with all these people, military people who now actually offensed. Blamed for doing all wrong. I mean, Russia doesn't have united military group. They have one group under president of Chechnya, Kadyrov, who they say we fight the best one. Another criminal group under Prigozhin who say we fight the best way. In a military group who always blame to do wrong. who will turn against Putin or Putin's elite inside of Russia, we will see. And I think it might happen soon with the help of Ukrainian army.”
2023-01-23 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 2: Marina Litvinenko: Fighting Putin's poison · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think when it's a lot of discussion about international court of Hague and maybe for his military crime, I'm afraid it will not happen because it would be different of sooner justice inside of Russia. And this would be more brutal. Why they don't like to remember what happened to Gaddafi in Libya when Angry people turned to other side.”
2023-01-23 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 2: Marina Litvinenko: Fighting Putin's poison · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“One of them already died and he died from COVID last summer in It's a lot of questions. But of course, I would love to see Lugavoy here in London in a court to defense and explain everything. But another one, maybe what I could say justice for me, I would be able to go to Russia. But I would be able to go to Russia only. Russia would be without Putin. And this is one maybe moment of justice”
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“They repeated exactly the same verdict, and it was quite risk because we never know how European will decide. They might make some part, but not prove everything what was done here in London.”
2023-01-23 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 2: Marina Litvinenko: Fighting Putin's poison · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“In this case, I would say Sasha never going to be ex for me. It's anything that might happen to my life, Sasha would be there. And my promise to him to talk for what happened to us. He was in hospital when he first time asked me, Marina, you should talk. You should give interview. What I was absolutely unhappy to do then. But I promised and I keep my promise to my husband.”
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“I would not say this is like all my life. But what I mean, every time if I have a request to give an interview or to go for talk or make some consulting work, I'm very happy to do it. But from another side, I raised my son who is now 28 and a young independent man. I'm meeting my friends and I'm so glad I'm starting my old job to do. A dance teacher. I think it helps me to keep reality. It looks like I'm living in the past, but it's not true. I don't live in the past. I live in the present and the future day.”
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“When I received this question, how is it difficult for you or how is it exhausted? I would say it's not only my life. From very beginning when we had this reality, I knew I would live my normal life anyway. It would be a very important part to fight for Sasha's, my husband memory, for justice, for him, if it's important to help other people. But I'm still being a mother, I still be a woman,”
2023-01-23 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 2: Marina Litvinenko: Fighting Putin's poison · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I don't think it's naive. You know, sometimes you just try to close the eyes and say, no, no, no, it's not happened. It's not happened. It may be too strong to say to pretend we don't know. I believe intelligence service will still be professional and provide this information. But sometimes people make this mistake to believe you are smarter than other one. And they thought it's all legal. I can't blame conservative party to take illegal money. These all Russian names being British citizen and this was on rules but sometimes you have to have something more.”
2023-01-23 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 2: Marina Litvinenko: Fighting Putin's poison · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It was not only my feeling I reacted, I gave it interview for what happened in 2014 because it did happen straight after 2014. And now we know what happened. It was a Crimea annexation. It was an invasion to east part of Ukraine. And I said, you are not allowed to accept this money. You have to give it back. Even you think it's good to your party, but it doesn't work. And the same happened in 2013. Before we received decision from Theresa, it was fundraising party for conservative. And this was a lot of Russian names who've been here as a guest in Russian name as a donors to conservative.”
2023-01-23 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 2: Marina Litvinenko: Fighting Putin's poison · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yes. And this was for me why it was important. It's still a lot of speculation. We don't know exactly for what did happen. We don't know whether Russia stayed behind. I want to bring this all evidence just one by one to public to understand is true and stop talking, Sasha committed suicide. He's smuggling radioactive material to UK and he poisoned himself. You know, it was shocking. This was the first time sure how Russia tried to influence British public opinion. But it was Sasha himself saying in 2003, be careful with Russian money. You don't know what this money will bring to your society.”
2023-01-23 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 2: Marina Litvinenko: Fighting Putin's poison · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Absolutely. And in another one, it was like balance. I have a lot of people supporting me. I have a legal team who said you do right things. I have a friend of mine who said you do right things. And suddenly from another side, people try to prevent. First of all, it became public. Then to bring press, then to make this a public inquiry again.”
2023-01-23 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 2: Marina Litvinenko: Fighting Putin's poison · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Absolutely, it was just like why you want to stop me. I'm not doing this against British government. I'm not doing this against British state. I think it was, of course I cried before, but this was, I cried.”
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“Because first, William Hague made a lot of files secret since after Sir Robert Orn make this announcement. We have evidence Russia stayed behind of this crime, and it was like a first victory, not just us, it was all officially Russia stayed behind on this crime. Secondary, we didn't get public inquiry behind the door. The resume Yes, she just even say you're not allowed to have it. I didn't know what to do. I have no plan. couldn't secure my”
2023-01-23 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 2: Marina Litvinenko: Fighting Putin's poison · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Many things look different now when you watched what happened four, five, seven, ten years ago. Then when I received a question from Boris Berezovsky, would you like to know who killed your husband? I said, yes. And when I received first time, would you like to go for inquest already in 2007? I said, okay, let's go. But it was supermaturily. I tried to monitoring all advisors and what my people from please who investigated this case or my legal team, I just tried to follow their advice. And first time I realized something is wrong in 2013, yes, it was the worst year”
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“what happened to us. People will start to support us without even asking for this. And what I felt every time, I can't say without effort, of course it was effort from my side, but people supported us. I couldn't believe. For example, lawyers worked without payment. I didn't have money and you know how the system works. It's the most expensive institute. I would be the last person who will leave you. this was all Received after that legal aid, but it was nothing compared to their”
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“this fought was not easy decision. I didn't like it because I still believe Sasha will survive and seeing this image, it would be just like go back to what happened to us. But for Sasha, it was not even to find support. For him, it was just to show what this person Putin is capable. Not blaming, but making people feel angry for what Putin might do or aware what Putin might do to people. And for me from very beginning, I became outspoken. It was as well, not just to find support. I knew if I'm saying openly what I believe.”
2023-01-23 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 2: Marina Litvinenko: Fighting Putin's poison · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I have no point. Only one moment when Sasha became more rapidly worse, I had just one second if Sasha will die. And after that, I was crying. I saw Sasha is fighting for his life. He tried to make everything what he could to say to police because police investigation already started. And I was so angry with myself, how you can think he will die. He's fighting. You should not even believe he might die. His first stroke happened night before he died. And I saw he already was a support machine, but I saw he's alive. I saw he's alive and he's still fighting. But when it finally happened next night, it was only when accepted.”
2023-01-23 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 2: Marina Litvinenko: Fighting Putin's poison · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I'm Russian, and I would like all Russians even living abroad to feel Russian, but to accept any place where they do live. I really like accepting everything that I have here in UK. I might criticize, but it's normal. might don't like it, but I was a privilege when you are in the middle of your 30s and when you think you know everything to become a child again I need to learn language. I've never spoke English. I builded my new friendship with people. And I think it gives me some kind of boost to become even younger again. And when I saw my husband Alexander writing and again, meeting different people, I saw how it's good for him. As any woman who has a family, I was just very happy to keep this family alive.”
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“I really am really grateful. And I remember when Sasha saying, we need to be thanks to our queen, now we are in a kingdom, now we are in an island, and we feel safe. Of course, it was a joke, but he always wanted to cheer up me to say, Marina, you should not worry. Of course, we cut our life completely. We left behind our families, our parents, but we do this for our son. Will grow up in freedom independent count”
2023-01-23 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 2: Marina Litvinenko: Fighting Putin's poison · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“After that, we've been all nervous what to do next. And Alex Goldfarp, our friend, he said, if you're going to direct it to America, you would be arrested and you're going to immigration prison. I said, no way. I don't want to separate with my son. And he said, okay, we have a lawyer. We can ask this lawyer to meet us. And he draw, and we will do step by step to apply for this. It looked like accidentally.”
2023-01-23 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 2: Marina Litvinenko: Fighting Putin's poison · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Somebody sold it to Russian to kill Jahal Dudaev, and he knew who did it. And he gave this information to Americans, but they said, it's okay.”
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