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Mark Drakeford

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“Yeah, well, I try to a little bit, and I only ever managed to do it in the summer. One of the things that I promised myself in the summer when I have a chance is I will spend, if I'm walking, which I'll try and do a fair bit about, then I will learn some poetry as I go along. It's part of keeping your mind busy. And I will occasionally go back and find some piece of Catellus or something, remind myself about it and try and commit it as best I can to my memory.”
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“I'm a politician by accident rather than by design. I never set out to do what I do now. Does it change how you are well inevitably it does, doesn't it? Because Not possible for me in Wales at least to go anywhere incognito. If you're out, there will be people come up to you, they'll want to talk to you, they'll want to share their views. On the whole, as you know, most people are astonishingly polite, you know, just genuinely interested in wanting to have those encounters with you. And you have to regard that as part of the privilege of the job. My wife went to 10B, a big Wash tourist place recently without me and came back and said how glad she was that I wasn't there. And she didn't mean that in a nasty way to me. She just meant that she was able to go and just do what she wanted to do without us being stopped every few yards by people wanting to talk. It does change you. It doesn't have to change you for the worse. You know, you just have to regard it as...”
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“Well, I'dn't change my mind. I think one of the things that has helped really is that I try and answer questions as best I can. And it was always my plan, really, that by the time I was halfway through this senator, I'll be nearly 70 years old by then. Astonishes me, but it'll be true. It will be right to hand on to somebody who has the next 20 years in their sights. And we've done that very successfully in Wales. Carwin handed on to Rodri handed on to Cadwyn during a term. Cadwyn handed on to me during a term. I plan to do the same somewhere in the second half of this term.”
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“Trade deals far flung on the other side of the world, but are in allowing Welsh farmers to be able to export their fantastic produce to people in the southern Mediterranean who were our biggest customers and who now can't buy from Wales because by the time the food gets there, it's no longer fresh or fit to sell.”
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“Brexit is a threatening topic for politicians because of its divisive nature and you don't want to reopen old wounds and just spend your whole time trying to repair again that damage. I am absolutely sure that the next Labour government will take a very different view, not on Brexit itself. That's done. Sadly, we've got to just face up to that. But we'll take a very different view to how we conduct our relations with our nearest and most important partners. Most important economically, we will want to have a cooperative set of relationships with them, again based on mutual respect that we'll recognize that the interests of Welsh farmers are not served by”
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“because Weber's manifesto contained so many things that we were already doing in Wales. We promised free prescriptions. We've had them since 2003. We said we would reinstate education maintenance allowances. We've never abolished them. In Wales, we said that we would restore nurse bursaries. We've kept them in Wales. I could list a whole string of things for you that we managed to do within the budget that the Tory government gives to us. We do that by making the choices that we would make as a Labour government. We prioritize the things that we think, you know. Leave money in people's pockets so that they can manage the other parts of their lives. And we do it in the conditions of austerity. So that will become more difficult. But in the end, you have political choices to make.”
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“We continue to struggle with Brexit every day, its adverse impacts on Wales are palpable and it doesn't have to be like this. I would have preferred that we stayed inside the European Union or together. But once a decision was made, I always believed it was possible to devise a set of circumstances in which we would have left the political side of the union, but we would have continued to have had access to the single market, part of the customs union, defended our economic interests in that way. And we desperately need a government who believes in working alongside our European partners rather than a constant pattern of provocation. But on the issue of austerity, we've had a decade of austerity. We've had a decade of austerity.”
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“Because of the risks that are there to the future of the United Kingdom. That's inevitable, but it would still be of a small minority, but no more than 20% or so.”
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“In Wales, it's still very much a minority view. In our election in May of last year, it had the virtue of real clarity about it. I would stand on platforms, the debates that the BBC would be broadcasting. I would have somebody on my right who believed in abolishing the evolution altogether. And the BBC DLM equal prominence, despite the fact they'd never won a single seat in any election. But there they were, as though they were an equal player. And on my left, they would be Adam Price, the leader by Cymru, who absolutely explicitly fought the election on the basis that the vote for him was a vote for independence. And, you know, I was the advocate of, as I say, strong and entrenched devolution in a successful United Kingdom. And there's no doubt at all whether the centre of gravity in Welsh opinion lies. There is a growing interest in independence.”
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“Be better organize ourselves to make sure that it goes on being a success. But then it has a second question, which is that if the United Kingdom starts not to stay together, what are the options for Wales? Because the idea that everything else, Scotland leaves and everything else continues as though that hadn't happened is clearly not plausible at all. We've never needed to do serious thinking about what the choice is for Wales would be and the Commission will help us to do that. But we're having to map out that territory with a seriousness. But I think just reflects the risks that we currently face.”
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“Does a really important question that we're having to address them directly in a way that we never needed to do previously. And that's because I think the risk that the United Kingdom will not continue is greater today than at any time in my political lifetime. I certainly don't think it's inevitable. I think there is an offer about the United Kingdom. It is a labour offer, in my view, that people would wish to buy into. They would see the advantages that the United Kingdom can bring. We are desperately short of an articulation by any other party of the positive case for a voluntary union. We have had to set up a commission. It's chaired by Rowan Williams and by someone called Laura McAllister, who's a distinguished professor here in Wales. It's asked to look at two questions. First of all, if the United Kingdom stays together, how can”
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“Yeah, of course, we all have long histories of views, and that was my view and is my view, but it's not part of what I do as the First Minister of Wales because I have no responsibilities in that field. And I do my best to spend my time working on the things for which the Senev and myself as First Minister have responsibility. And I try while I'm doing this job, you know, not to get drawn into debates about things that other people have to discharge because the responsibilities belong to them. But it doesn't mean that my own ideas and my own beliefs have changed.”
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“And that was trying to set out a distinctive agenda for labour in Wales, which was not part of marketisation, not part of a sense that the way you improve public services was by allowing people to become serial shoppers. So choice agenda and so on. Now, that is not because he or I believe that that was the right prescription for elsewhere in the United Kingdom, but we knew that those things would resonate with people who looked to the Labour Party in words.”
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“I think what is authentically Labour in Wales is different, what is going to appeal to people elsewhere where there isn't the same tradition and the same sort of class structure and so on. You may remember Alexa Roderie gave a lecture early on in Devolution, which I have to admit having had a hand in writing for him, which talked about clear red water.”
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“About a political party. And sometimes that will mean saying things that you know not everybody will agree with, but they are what you believe in. And you are there to talk about the things that you believe in and to make the case for them. And to do that with that sense of authenticity. And I think that has been on our side as well.”
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“I can't imagine it because I've seen it happen in Scotland. And we worked very hard indeed to say to people that you don't have to show your Welsh by voting for a nationalist party. You can reaffirm your Welsh identity by voting for Welsh Labour because we are as Welsh as you are and determined that that identity goes on being part of the relationship between you and us. But then my final point, and this goes more to Rory's question, is that I think we try and speak in a voice and with a set of policies that are authentically labour as well. It will be clear to somebody who's interested that these ideas and the way we talk about them comes out to that labour tradition. And I do think that people respond to a sense of authenticity.”
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“Let me give you two other qualities which I think have helped us in our success. The one links to what I've just been saying, which is identity. To be Welsh and to be labour are two identities that sit on top of one another very comfortably. And we work hard to make sure that we sustain that. And I think we have to work harder in some places to say to people that to be a labour supporter somewhere is an identity that works for your locality and for your tone. To be Labour in Luton is an identity that tells you that the Labour Party is interested in on the side of, keen to represent the people who live in that area. So identity, I think, is a very important component in our March.”
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“I'm afraid people got that impression, whether it was true or not, I'm sure they were very hardworking people representing those areas for Labour who weren't at all that. But somehow we conveyed the impression to people. We took for granted the fact that they would vote for us. And we weren't always back into show how proud we were that we had earned that support and proud of them. And I am proud of everybody every person who votes Labour in Wales.”
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“I think there were a constellation of circumstances that meant that that was happening. It happened in Wales as well. We lost seats. The whole Brexit fatigue, the entirely false claim that there was a deal that would just get Brexit done. But to go back to my point about earning votes and showing people respect, I think sometimes in some parts of the country, Labour has been in danger of looking like we don't really like the people who vote for us. But they vote for us, but we don't, you know, we're slightly shamefaced about the support that we get. And I never want that to be true in Wales.”
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“I want nobody to say to me they vote Labour because they've always voted Labour or because their father would turn in his grave if they didn't vote Labour. I want people to vote Labour because we have That we have. I think we're very lucky because we've been in power, then we have credibility when we say to people at an election that these are things we would like to do for them because we're able to show them that we've done those things already. The fact that you can point to your record and say we told you last time this is what we would do and look here's how we did it. Gives us a credibility with what voters that is much harder to do when you're in opposition”
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“Primarily, but not exclusively, and Wales is the only party part of the United Kingdom where exclusively that would be true. Now, why have we managed to continue to do that? Well, here are three or four qualities which I think have helped with that. First of all, just hard work. Let's not forget, I do a little turn sometimes when I'm talking for the Labour Parties that say, you know, people get attracted into the Labour Party because it's 90% inspiration. They want to achieve something. They think this is the way to do it and 10% perspiration. And when you get into it, most of politics is perspiration. And just the sheer slog of making sure that you're always talking to people, you're knocking doors, you're answering the phone, you're having those conversations, and we're very lucky in Wales that we are the only party who is able to put people out on the streets to do that work. And we earn every vote we get.”
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“Well, actually, that's not true, Zory, is it? If we're just trying to be accurate about it, the Tories won elections in Scotland in the 1950s.”
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“And the Conservative Party has never won an election in Wales ever, ever since 1832 and the onset of universal suffrage. The 19th century was dominated by the Liberal Party the 20th century, by the Labour Party. So I'm very lucky.”
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“I'm very happy to share the Walsh experience. And sometimes there will be things in that that other people will find useful and they can draw on it. But I don't approach it on the basis that we have done things that allow us to tell other people what to do. But in November of this year, it will be 100 years since Labour first won a majority in a general election in Wales. And we've never not done that since.”
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“The very beginning, and I do feel one of the things I have spent 20 years doing sometimes is trying to remind my own colleagues that the fault line on the floor of the Senate is between progressive parties on one hand and the Tories on the other. That is the fundamental fault line, and we shouldn't act as a Labour Party on the floor of the Senate in ways that drives some of the more progressive voices closer to the Tories because we don't appear willing to be able to talk with them, explain with them, learn from them, all of those things, a fundamental Fockey in Wales is between the three quarters of the electorate who vote for parties of the centre-left and the quarter of the Welsh electorate that votes for the Conservative Party. And that's the fault line we should be working on. People are on the non-Tories side of it, of course, should be able to talk together.”
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“System doesn't make it easy. The system drives people into tribal ways of doing things and we compete for people's votes up and down the country. So you're right. It's an uphill thing to try and rest on cooperation. I think I've been involved in the evolution for the whole of 20 years. I was an advisor to Rodri Morgan.”
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“I work in a proportional system, the Senate is elected under a system of PR and we have proposals to reform the way the Senate is elected that would make it even more proportional. So I have no problem at all with that argument. I'm a bit heretical. I've said it in the past that I think you can make a good argument for saying that administrations that have people from more than one tradition in them have a level of internal challenge. That means by the time you come to put your ideas in front of the wider electorate, they are better ideas because they've already had to be tested with people who don't come at the problems from exactly the same way as you do or your party does. So in terms of trying to not have a certified narrow debate that just sticks within the parameters, I think our experience”
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“I'm interested in them because they are the way in which we are better able to solve the problems that face people in their daily lives. That's why we should be interested in them because they give us the basis for doing that.”
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“Well, I think Keir Stano did a very important thing in commissioning Gordon Brown to lead a piece of work which will range over a series of these really important constitutional questions. I've had a chance to. Stay very close to the work of the Commission. I was talking to Gordon about it last week. I think when it is published, it will set out a prospectus for labour that will give us the arguments that are needed and the rigor of debate behind it that will, I think, provide quite a radical prospectus for the future of the United Kingdom. I have to say I'm never interested in constitutional questions because they are constitutional.”
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“Well, obviously, I fundamentally disagree with them on that point. I believe in strong and entrenched devolution where decisions are made as close to people as possible. But I also believe that the United Kingdom is better off for having Wales in it, and Wales is better off for being in the United Kingdom. But that's because we choose to belong to it. We think there are important purposes that we discharge better together. I disagree with Play Henry on that. We fought an election only a year or so ago where that choice was very explicitly with people. That doesn't mean that there aren't very important things that we are able to agree on and can work together. We would see it for the benefit of the people who have elected us.”
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“Current cooperation we have with Pricumy is designed to allow us to deliver on the most radical parts of our agenda, things which I think are very difficult to do if you're a party on your own and certainly a party that has only half the seats available. So I know at a UK level the idea of working across parties is regarded as somehow a failure of the system.”
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“It would only be shocking to somebody outside Wales. My party has been in power in Wales throughout the history of Devolutia, but we've never won more than 30 of the 60 seats on offer. So we have always had to work with other individuals and other parties in order to be able to get the job done. We have a full coalition with Platomary in 2007 where Rodri Morgan, one of my predecessors, was the first minister. What we have learnt is as a party in Wales is that working with other progressive parties is not something to regard as unusual or difficult. It's challenging, but it can be done. We've demonstrated that it can be done.”
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“An individual level on the rare occasions that I had direct conversations with Mr Johnson, he was courteous. He wasn't disrespectful in that way. But his approach to the future of the United Kingdom was very different. Theresa May in her final lecture in Edinburgh described the United Kingdom as a voluntary association of four nations. I think that was the end of quite a long journey probably for her. Boris Johnson believed that the way to save the United Kingdom was to assert muscular unionism. By Britain, as you might more pejoratively put it, in which the way to secure the future of the United Kingdom was to show who is boss. And actually that was completely counterproductive and contributes to the fragility of the United Kingdom rather than helping it to be something which people choose to belong to, want to belong to.”
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“A range of different individuals and experiences that you will come across. So I think it is perfectly possible to have good, effective, constructive working relationships with people who are in a different party from you and occupy a different position. But it's got to be founded on a basic sense of respect. And parity of participation. Wales is a small country. It is not the same as a country the size of England. But parity of participation is something different. Every voice has a right to be heard and to be treated respectfully.”
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“The fundamental word is that it needs to be respectful. So I go to a series of different prime ministers, including conservative prime ministers. And I think there was a very big contrast between relations with Theresa May when she was Prime Minister and with her successor. I disagreed with Mrs May on almost anything you would like to say and was terribly frustrated at what I thought was her fundamental mistake in regarding Brexit as a winner takes all sort of referendum. But I would describe her as an instinctive Democrat. If you were in a room with her and she was Prime Minister, she would make a conscious effort to make sure that anybody in the room who had a view they wanted to contribute had an opportunity to contribute that view. And that is a sort of instinctive respect for”
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“In it, there are five women in my cabinet and four men and women Phil, all the major sorts of ministerial positions they're not in any way confined to what you might have thought as the traditional responsibilities that women would undertake. So that is a very steep change to the sort of world in which my early experience of labour politics in Wales would have been shaped. So we are capable of amending our own history and we need to go on doing that.”
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“That might give you just a flavor of what it was like to be a dominant figure in Welsh local government a long time ago now. It's very different. Do you think we've talked on when we did a special episode recently about when Liz Truss was made prime minister and we were talking about the fact there have been now three conservative women prime ministers? Do you think that historically the male dominance of the Labour Party and the trade union movement has been part of legacy that has made it more difficult for Labour to find a woman prime minister? Well, I think it is part of our history.”
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“I tell you a story that appeared in The Guardian Obituary of Lord Haycock. Lord Haycock ran the old Glamorgan County Council. And nothing moved without Lord Haycock having ordained that it should move. And the story in the obituary was of two Jehovah's Witnesses knocking the door of his home just outside Portalt. And Lady Haycock comes to the door and the two Jehovah's Witnesses say to her, Does the Lord dwell in this house? To which she is alleged to have replied, Yes, he does, but he's out watching Abad Avon at the moment.”
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“Not to be shaped by their origins, and that the job of the party is to provide the chances for people to be able to make the very most of their talents and their abilities.”
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“Yeah, no, he was a plasterer by By training, if you wanted to learn something about him, I'll tell you a story that he used to tell, which was going out as a young man in his early 20s to a nightclub in Cardiff. He's all dressed up. He's ready for a night out. He sees a young woman across the floor and she's looking at him. He thinks of mine that could be turning up a bit here. And she comes across the floor, Tim, and says to him, oh, you're Jack Brooks, aren't you? And you think you definitely think Sonite is getting better? And she says to him, you're the kid who used to have free school meals. And I think it's that sort of experience, really, which shaped him and would have shaped many other people in the Labour Party. That sense that people”
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“Yeah, well, I became a counselor in my 20s. Jack was the leader of South Club Oregon Council during the time that I was a councillor, so I certainly, and he saw him at very close quarters. He was, in contrasted modern politics to the politics that Jack grew up in, then it was pretty much a sort of male-dominated, probably boss-led sort of politics, you know, where big beasts dominated local councils across Wales.”
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“Them. Well, I think of my own politics as being derived from the radical Welsh tradition. And that can go back as far as Lloyd George and gets handed down the generations via an Iron Bevan, Michael Foote, Neil Kinnock. It's that strand in Welsh politics, which is to the left of the centre. But all of politics in Wales is to the left of the way it would be across the United Kingdom. And insofar as I think of myself as belonging to a tradition, it is to that of a radical strand in Welsh politics.”
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