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  1. “Read Michael's great book on hallucinogenic plants and practice. And one thing that comes through repeatedly, time and time again is this is not a toy. People with mental ailments who are often the ones who go down to the rainforest in search of these things often come back worse so that you really need to be dealing with the real deal and stuff that you buy on the internet or workshops you hear about on the internet, you got to be real careful because it's not like smoking a joint. You can really have a bad trip. It can really do you harm. And so the point here is not to say, okay, well, I've done it 87 times, Tim, you've only done it 83 times. So, you know, I'm a bigger stud than you are. That's ridiculous. I mean, I remember when I was back in college and people would like, well, the people who smoked the most dope were supposed to be the wife.”

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  2. “It's an excellent question, and like I said, I'm an ethnobotanist, it's my job. Seven of the tribes you work with are the original ayahuasca tribes. These are the same tribes that taught it to Shultes. So when you want to work with an ayahuasca, and he says, well, we have to do this in ceremony, we do. Very, very, very few occasions, Tim. Have I gone down there and said, I'm having a problem. I have an issue. I can't deal with. I really want to have a ceremony. In almost every single case, it was part of bonding with these people. It was part of communicating with these people. It was never like, hey, I hear he's a great champion. Let me give this a whirl. I don't work that way. I mean, you know, as an ethnobotanist, you don't want to be a shaman snob like, oh, well, I know a real shaman and you don't sort of stuff. That's nonsense. However, it does give you access to this shamanic world and you're dealing with the real deal. And I want to bring up our mutual friend Michael Pollen. You know, I hope everybody...”

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  3. “The reason I bring up that example to answer your question is one of the great shamans the Northwest Amazon, a real ayahuasca master, Don Loreano, he's long gone now of the Ngano peoples. I once asked him, how long does it take you to become a shaman? A tita. That's what in their language, that's what they call a shaman. How long does it take you to become a taita? And he says, you know, my son, he says, in your system, you have to go to school for three years to become a doctor. He says, in your years He says, I'm over 90. He says, I'm still learning. I thought that is a true shaman.”

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  4. “or who knows and then anybody who pounds their chest like some sort of tribal tarzan and says yes i'm a shaman or i'm the great shaman or whatever isn't a shaman secondly i i gave the commencement address the tulane medical school a couple years ago my hometown in new orleans and the night before i had a few drinks with the dean and i said i got to ask you something i said why did you ask an ethanobotanist to give the graduation space in a medical school and this after a lot of wine he said what we wanted jimmy carter but we couldn't afford him”

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  5. “You know, the etymology of the word, when I looked it up, was he who knows. And I think there are many terms, or you and I would think of as a shaman. It is somebody who is an expert healer, somebody who is a keeper of the traditions, a keeper of the laws, a cycle pump, the person who conveys souls to the underworld. And one way to contrast it with our own healers and why I think some of the shamans are so effective is in our system, if you're sick, you go to the general practitioner and if that doesn't work, she sends you to a specialist. And if that doesn't work, he sends you to a psychiatrist. Whereas the shaman sense, it's kind of one-stop shopping. And there's two things that stick in my mind is how you know you're dealing with the real thing. One is in the northwest Amazon, if you ask somebody if they're a shaman, they will never say yes. They will say, well, some say that I am.”

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  6. “Autobiography of Malcolm X, he talks about sneaking into the prison commissary at night and sealing nutmeg so they could get a buzz, catch your buzz out of it. Now, I find the Yopo from the varola snuff to be very, very, very visual. It takes you a different place. The visions are extraordinary, much like I've seen in some ayahuasca experiences. And then with the other Yopo, which is made from the crushed seeds of a savannah tree, it's primarily auditory. You're hearing extraordinary things. You can hear everything in the jungle. It is unlike any other entiogenic substance which I have taken. And that to me are very striking differences. But again, the details are in primarily who's the shaman, what is he or she treating you for? What is the dosage? So I really can't be more Specific than”

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  7. “And as you know, these experiences are often very different. It depends on where you are in life. It depends what's on your mind. It depends on the shame and depends on the mix because most ayahuasca mixes are comprised of different admixes by the real masters. And it depends the depends on what you need. Sometimes you're going to the ninth dimension and making love to the goddess the river under the water, and sometimes you don't see anything and sleep deeply. And when you ask the shaman about it, he or she will say, well, you got what you needed. So it's very difficult to say, oh, ayahuasca is this and Yopa was that. And the magic mushrooms are that. But I will say this. The Yanamami with whom I had the great pleasure to live and study this stuff make two kinds of Yopo. One is made from the sap of a virola tree, which is essentially an Amazonian nutmeg. Remember, nutmeg is a tree from the Southeast Asian tropics. And if you read the”

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  8. “You know, somebody asked me recently, Tim, about ayahuasca if I'd taken it and I said, well, you know, I mean, that's an obotanist. It's my job. And they said, well, how many times have you taken it? And I said, 87, I think”

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  9. “They used it the night before the hunt to see where the animals will be. And as a Western scientist, this makes no sense to me. But as an ethnobotanist, when people tell me stuff Indigenous people tell me stuff that I found hard to believe, it's important to put aside my disbelief and be willing to listen and learn. And the classic account of this was published by my buddy Peter Gorman, who heard about Lauren McIntyre's first encounter with this drug and went down to the Northwest Amazon where he had a fair amount of experience and he tried it and he said, I took the stuff in my mind, I saw this taper crossing the river at a place I knew. The next day we went hunting. We got to that crossing and there was the taper.”

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  10. “So I was able to collect and identify this frog completely different family. It's not like sometimes the next species ol will have the same compounds in it. Completely different family. And actually some analysis had been done with this. And it contains bufotenin, which is a hallucinogenic principle. So once again, the Indians were right and Western scientists was wrong.”

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  11. “And when I showed the magic frog from Peru, one of the shamans stopped me and said, oh, we have that frog here. And I said, no, you don't. That's from Peru. And he goes, no, no, we have it here. And I said, no, no, it's from Peru. It's like, you never heard of this place. It's thousands of miles away. That frog does not occur here. And I said. Way and he says, Yeah, it's here, but it's in the canopy. And I said, what do you use it for? And he said, So we use it for hunting magic, just like those Indians you're talking about. And I said, I've been working here over 30 years, and you never told me this. And he said, Well, you've been working here over 30 years, and you never asked me. And by the way, there's another frog that we use for the same purpose.”

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  12. “Absolutely wonderful afterwards. So for all of us who've taken LSD and went through that black period, remember that's why the stones were painted black, you feel better afterwards, immediately afterwards, which in my experience is unique. And it just goes to point that there are other mind-altering substances that are still out there. It's not just all about ayahuasca. And I'll give you a concrete example. My late friend Lauren McIntyre was lost on the Brazil-Peru border in 1969, was taken in by a group of uncontacted peoples called the Mutzes, who had a very ferocious reputation. And they were the ones that introduced him to hallucinogenic frogs, now known as Kempo quite widely. I learned about this from McIntyre. I put this in a TED talk I gave a few years ago. And when I went to one of the villages in which I work in South Suriname, I gave my TED talk and the tribal language.”

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  13. “Is the great undiscovered hallucinogen of the Amazon. Everybody focuses on ayahuasca, all for good reason. However, there is a very powerful hallucinogen, my personal favorite, in the north-central Amazon, centered on the Venezuela-Brazil border, and it's called Yopo. It's a hallucinogenic snuff. Many people saw this in these famous films by Napoleon Chanyon Anthropology 101. And this is a treesp or less recognized, a leguminous crushed seed because he's a very different hallucinogens that the Anamami blow up their nose for the purpose of divination and healing. And it is quite an extraordinary experience because it hurts like hell for a few minutes. And then it is an extremely visual spiritual trip that lasts for 20 minutes. And then you feel”

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  14. “So again, we're seeing that big, large, conspicuous, well-studied creatures still have secrets that it can share with us. And they might help revolutionize certain aspects of medicine, like it seems possible with these new electric eels. Or it might just be a cool species that we can go down there and see and enjoy. Because one thing you have to remember when people talk about, well, we can't afford conservation because we need to develop. The fact is that tourism, ecotourism is the second biggest industry in the world. And as we live in an ever-urbanizing planet, people have more and more desire need to commune with nature. So the value of these wild dolphins and electric eels and all the other cool things around the world only increases if we protect them and their oceans and coral reefs and rainforests and deserts in which they live.”

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  15. “Same thing. And again, I want to emphasize that it shouldn't be about protecting species, whether it's here at home in Austin, Texas or Peru or California, wherever. It shouldn't be about protecting species because they can cure cancer or because they can teach us how to make new batteries. I think species in general and conservation in general is an ethical exercise. We shouldn't be destroying species through our own stupidity and our greed because sometimes, sometimes, sometimes these things turn out to be life-changing. Now in terms of the pink dolphin or the Amazon, they just found a new species of a pink dolphin. How do you miss pink dolphins? Okay, but the Araguaya River dolphin is a different species.”

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  16. “And so the excitement is to find stuff like this. The flip side of it is watching it be destroyed, as we all see, last year with the Amazon fires, the pace of destruction picking up in Brazil. So it's both exciting and disheartening at the same time.”

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  17. “Electric heels are hard to miss. They're eight foot slabs of meat that send out Jedi-like impulses that paralyzed stun and sometimes kill their prey. So this isn't something that's a recent discovery. Electrogeels have been studied for 250 years. Linnaeus himself described the first electric eel. Volta built the first battery inspired in part by his studies of electric eels. And just last year, 2019, we found two new species of electric eels. And one of them shot out 20% more electricity than electric eels were known to produce. The point here being, if we still don't know how many species of electric eels there are, and now we're studying this to find ways of building new microbatteries which we can implant within the human body to power electrical devices, think what else is out there that isn't eight feet long and hard to miss.”

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  18. “Don't think that we're ever going to see a healer where it's going to be a woman using ayahuasca and antibiotics and Ayurvedic therapy and massage therapy. One person just can't contain all that stuff, which is why you need different people maintaining and practicing these different systems.”

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  19. “I think it's quite clear to all of us that Western medicine can't cure everything. Anybody who's lost a relative to cancer, anybody who has lost a relative to suicide, anybody who has trouble sleeping, anybody who's stressed out, Western medicine doesn't seem to be able to cure many cases of these ailments. And again, no shamanic system Chinese medicine doesn't have all the answers. All of these systems do something well. And all of these systems need to be protected for their own sake and for the benefit of all of us. The medical office of the future, if we get it right, I believe, is going to have a physician, is going to have a shaman, is going to have a Masse therapist, is going to have a nutritionist. All of these things that should be working together. So it shouldn't be the physician versus the medicine man or woman. It should be ways of combining that.”

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  20. “Again, the point being that these guys can't cure everything, but sometimes, sometimes they can cure things at our own physicians, our own masouses, our own Ayurvedic physicians cannot. And that's why I am so anxious to make sure that these healing traditions are preserved, these healing plants and fungi are preserved, and that these cultures have room and breathing room to exist in a world which is pressing in on all sides. And as we know from the headlines, COVID-19 is pressing in particularly heavily.”

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  21. “And it did as I was told. He walked over to a palm tree, which was about three meters away, scraped off a fern growing on the palm tree, threw it in the fire, applied it to my foot, burned the hell out of me, threw it in the pot, and had me drink it. Now the pain stopped almost instantaneously. Now understand that when I injured my foot, I put on heat, I put on cold, I took aspirin, didn't work, I went to the doctor, she gave me a cortisone shot, didn't really work, I went to a masseuse, went to an octopus, didn't work. And this guy cured me on the spot. I don't understand how it worked chemically or spiritually or shamanically, but my foot got better. Now, seven months later it came back, and I was back in the rainforest, and he fixed it. Now, that's 10 years ago, and it doesn't hurt. So who would you rather be treated by?”

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  22. “Amazonian cultures. And here's an example. I was in the Northeast Amazon where I've worked for decades and I came into the village and the shaman, who is an old friend of mine, said, you're limping. And I said, yeah, you know, I hurt my foot and it doesn't seem to be healing very well. And he says, and I'll never forget this. He says, take off your shoe and give me your machete.”

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  23. “Well, people need to understand that the Amazon is full of different cultures. When you're looking at indigenous cultures, it's between 300 and 400. A minority of those are ayahuasca drinkers. A minority of those are coca chewers. So when people say to me, what do Indians in the Amazon want or what are shamans like? You're dealing with a lot of diversity here. And that's something that the general public doesn't really seem to get. Now, I've done a lot of my work in the northeast Amazon on the Suriname Brazil border, and there is no ayahuasca there. There are no hallucinogenic fungi there. Or if there is, they don't take them. And these people are still masters of the rainforest. These people still are mastered diagnosticians and healers. No shaman, just like no physician can cure everything. And there are different forms of expertise and different forms of healing, even within”

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  24. “Well, this is always a big debate in the academic community where people say you're Indiana Jones, no, you're not. No, I'm not Indiana Jones back and forth. Who is, who is. Indiana Jones is a fictional character. Indiana Jones was a tomb robber. But Indiana Jones fired the imagination of many of us who made a living out of tropical research. So the net effect was tremendously positive. But remember that elements of Shieldies, which you're correct, were baked into the Indiana Jones archetype. Elements of Shulties were also baked into Sean Connery in the movie Medicine Man. So he wasn't just portrayed by Harrison Ford, he was also portrayed by Sean Connery. Pretty amazing for a straight-laced Harvard professor.”

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  25. “Martin Schultes was essentially a trickster, and I mean that in the very positive shamanic sense of the word. You see this man, this elderly man in a white lab coat with a crew cut and a Harvard tie. He looked like the straightest lace fellow in Harvard Square. And this is culturally the end of the 60s, beginning of the 70s. Yet when he talked and told his stories and showed his pictures, he was this wild man who went down to the jungle and did all these tribal dances and did all of these tribal drugs. And I thought, wow, you know that great quote of Walt Whitman's that everybody cites about I hold multitudes. Well, there were Schulte's multitudes, the ultimate pillar of the establishment and the ultimate swashbuckling explorer. All in the same person.”

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  26. “You know that famous saying of Pasteur, which is that chance favors the prepared mind, so it wasn't Dum Luck, but there were certainly a lot of luck involved. I had dropped out of college and I was working at a museum and was, you know, looking for adventures, they say. And there was this one incredible graduate student who himself was sort of legendary. And he said there are rumors of an endangered man-eating crocodilian called the Black Caiman in the Northeast Amazon, in a country called French Guiana, this forgotten little ex-colony in the northeast shoulder of South America, you want to go. I signed up then and there.”

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  27. “And so Shulte's to entice the students gave a version of his very famous lecture on the plant hallucinogens of the Northwest Amazon. And there was this one slide, this one image that changed my life forever. And it was a picture, a black and white picture that had three indigenous peoples in barcloth masks and grass skirts. Shulte said, here you see three yukuna Indians doing the kayari dance to keep away the forces of darkness. The one on the left has a Harvard degree. Next slide, please.”

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  28. “It started on a cool September night in 1974. I had dropped out of college and was working at Harvard and a colleague of mine says, you know, Harvard has a night school. And there's this extraordinary Harvard professor who went down to the Amazon in 1941 and essentially disappeared, essentially went native for about 14 years.”

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  29. “The incredible power and potential of these compounds. The bottom line is that these entheogenic, hallucinogenic compounds in the hands of shamans, who I work with, are essentially vegetal scalpels that allow these men, and in some cases these women to understand, analyze, treat, and sometimes cure emotional ailments, brain ailments that our own physicians yet cannot.”

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  30. “In the broad sense, ethnobotany is simply the relationship between plants and peoples, but in popular culture, ethnobotany is the search for medicinal plants in the rainforest from tribal shamans. So you can go broad or you can go narrow, but it has to do with plants and peoples. The bottom line is that Schulte's taught and Shulte's believed and taught the rest of us to believe that much of human culture is based on our relationship with plants. There's evidence to indicate that many of the world's religions had their beginning and the effect of these magical plants on the minds of our ancestors, and as we know, the effect of these plants and these fungi and these frogs we now know on our minds as having a very positive effect when used correctly, either in traditional settings under the care of traditional healers who really know their stuff or in the hands of Western physicians who are beginning to discover”

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  31. “Effect on popular culture and on science were, as I said, far and wide, and this great new institute, Tim, that you helped start at the Johns Hopkins University, bringing some of these entheogens, some of these hallucinogenic principles to bear on so-called uncurable, incurable diseases like PTSD or schizophrenia, in a sense traces back to a lot of Schulte's work because Schulte's is the one who went into the subtropical forest of southern Mexico and Oaxaca in the 30s and came out with the magic mushrooms, and Shulte is the one who went into the rainforest of the northwest Amazon in the 40s and came out with ayahuasca. So his impact, positive impact on the world is still being felt.”

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  32. “Oschultis is often called the father of ethnobotany, and Schultes, who passed away about 20 years ago when he was told this would often say, well, you know, ethnobotany. So he had a marvelous sense of humor, and seeing him in the field, I think this is really one of the ways he won his indigenous colleagues over. He might have been a world-famous Harvard professor, but ultimately a very down-to-earth, very earthy, wonderful, smart, kind, conscientious fellow. Schulte's taught for many years at the Harvard Botanical Museum, and he influenced people far and wide, not just as students like me or Tim Ploughman or Way Davis, but people even that knew of his work and didn't take his course, people like Alan Ginsburg, great Shulty's fans, people like the great biologist Io Wilson were Shultes fans.”

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