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1. “Based it much more less about sort of almost sort of manager or rhetoric and more about through the eyes of them, through the voices of frontline people who've joined recently telling their stories. And that's much more powerful.”

   2024-11-14 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Mark Rowley One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

2. “Oh, I can get quite a few if I know quite a few in a moment. But that's the sort of that spirit of policing, that commitment that can do is really what I'm illustrating. I see it through the senior team, but I'd much rather focus on the frontline men and women, whether it's bravery or the sort of the divent officers doing amazing cases to take firearms off the streets or identify the most dangerous sex offenders and bring them to justice. All of that, whether it's bravery or diligence or commitment, officers all get their teeth into a case and they'll work 24 hours straight to get it over the line and get it charged and go home absolutely exhausted. It's not just the danger, it's the stress and stretch because they know what they do matters so much and that's what's so exciting about it. And we changed, you talked about recruiting, we are having recruiting challenges. I don't think public sector pay in London is anywhere near good enough given the changing cost of living. But we've changed our advertising campaign, which is having some effect.”

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3. “Exactly so. I think when adrenaline is flowing, sort of when pressure, I think lots of people reach for calories or caffeine, don't they? So that's not uncommon.”

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4. “Thought this was it and they were going to die in this moment. And that's an extraordinary thing that someone will carry for the rest of their life. And I was at an officer's funeral recently and he retired a long time ago and his colleagues were with him and his former colleagues were there and they'd all shared a moment together like that and that had stuck with them. They're now in their 70s or 80s and that still hangs with them as the pivotal moment in their life when lives were at risk. That's extraordinary what people are doing out there. And sort of that deserves the vigorousness in thanks and recognition as the sharpness in criticizing when we get things wrong.”

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5. “I got visited at home by the chief counselor of the day, Jeffrey Deere, and I remember how much that mattered to me. And that's why myself and sort of my deputy, that's why we do the same, because these people are putting themselves on the line in the most extraordinary ways, and I find it really moving sometimes to see them. And a small number of officers who I you sit down with and you know they've had that moment where”

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6. “As a young officer on the streets of Birmingham, I sort of what doesn't killer strengthens us, I suppose. I don't know where that one comes from, but things you wish you'd done differently. So when I was at about 18 months and I was out walking the beat and Birmingham City Centre on a Thursday night in a sort of miserable, I think, autumn. And I saw somebody smash a pub window. Things that would have been nice to know afterwards. We always have those moments in time. I wish I'd known that. So I went to a resting and I went on the radio saying, I was going to arrest this guy if some people come and back me up. What I wish I'd known before I went to arrest him was he was on a stagnight of football hooligans. So I lost that exchange. So I get kicked unconscious on the floor and that sort of not the stuffing out of me for a couple of months. Actually, it shook my confidence for a couple of months and it took me sort of and just going back to work. I remember how nervous I was. It helps me sort of when I see officers in difficult moments that many of them far, far more gruesome and difficult than that, but I have some understanding of what it's like to sort of...”

   2024-11-14 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Mark Rowley One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

7. “People did think it was odd, as lots of people did. But that was what I was sort of felt. Instinctively, what I could contribute to, and I've never regretted it.”

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8. “It was a completely instinctive judgment. I was seventeen and It was raining, so I went into what the school called the Careers Office. It was actually a cupboard with a grotty cupboard with leaflets in it. And I picked up a leaflet on forensic science. That's sort of, I know, I'll join the police. And sort of rationalizing something that was very instinctive at the time, it was two things. It was this is really worthwhile. And it's interesting, it's exciting. And when I talk to new recruits at passing out praise, I was at one at Endon last Friday with lots of sort of bright excited young people and a few older people changing careers as well. The same sort of motives come out, it's always about that looks a really interesting job and it matters, it really means something.”

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9. “It's expanding to affect people's decisions, this impact. So I need to show and I need to encourage people like you to show when you're, there's going to be times, Nick, where things have gone wrong and you're going to criticise us and ask me hard questions. And that's entirely proper and fair. I never object with that whatsoever. The challenge to you, I think, is how precise and forensic are you? That's the issue rather than throwing broad adjectives because the throwing of the broad adjectives undermines the confidence of the whole system. And that's the challenge, making it precise and sharp, the criticism, that's fair game.”

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10. “I think it narrows the group of people who've got the resilience to say, I don't care what the world says about this, this matters, and I want to be part of it. I think it does risk narrowing the recruitment pool. And beyond that, it makes officers at work more cautious about... They sometimes stand off things they don't want to get trained to do pursuits. They don't want to get trained to use tasers. They're nervous about the spectre of scrutiny. They hand in their public order tickets because they don't want the sort of cameras in their faces. We've had offices doing policing marches and demonstrations who've been set up by stickers being put on an incidents and then got death threats online. It's a sort of brutal operating environment for those officers.”

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11. “As well as writing entertaining thrillers, I saw organizations with more money, more resource, different approaches, lots of advantages, but I didn't see anywhere people where they had the staff had the commitment to the mission that I see the men and women met have. The things they will do are extraordinary.”

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12. “I can only speak for, so Louise did most her review before I started. I can only speak for what my leadership team are doing and what I see officers doing. People want to do a better job for the public of London. People are committed to the right cause. Yes, we've got some difficult issues to sort out, but let's also talk about the good officers and what they're doing to any doubt, like I've said, and the achievements I see. So for example, I've got 18 offices a day assaulted in London, two a week are seriously injured, regularly myself or the known as my deputy are visiting officers in hospital. Sort of, I know the afternoon of or the morning after the night before when they've had something gruesome that's hospitalized them. That's what the public, that's what the police officers of London are doing because they are so connected to the mission. The thing that one of the things that drew me back to policing, what I saw in the outside world working with big companies, small tech companies and all sorts of places.”

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13. “That's fun I've never demurred from that. We have some long-term systemic issues that we're tackling. Some of it links to those parameters around us, like regulations and money, some of it links to leadership errors made in the past. And so all of that is true. But you can have an organisation that needs to do better and say lots of ways we're making progress, but you can still have the vast majority of its people be good people.”

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14. “And so I know stories about so. We've bent the organisation in a different direction so that we've got much more Those tens of thousand officers deserve those stories being out there. And the public deserve that fair perspective. Another point would be sort of journalists such as You Might on the Today program Cavalierly talk about confidence in the mayor. Actually, confidence in the mayor is doing locally is higher than the national average, it's higher than the cities in the country, it's stabilised after falling. Some size it's sort of starting to rise, yet it's used, yet shorthand is used in a way that just rubbishes an entire organisation, rubbishes lots of good people who come to work Give of their best, which is so much more demanding than I faced when I was on the streets”

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15. “So there's a bit of a paradox, isn't there, that I want to talk about the tens of thousands more than I want and the amazing work they're doing more than I want to talk about the hundreds, albeit we're working on that and we're making sort of unprecedented progress. But people like you don't want to talk about the tens of thousands doing great things. I'm not picking on you personally, but you know the point I'm news is.”

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16. “Quickly fact checking and saying that's true, that's not true. I think there's something when my comments team was briefing me in the last couple of days about some nonsense in a recent protest where people put out some sort of vile material which actually A wasn't that weekend was three years ago and B, we'd arrested people at the time for it. Yet it was put out as presented as something that was happening today, so it's put out to scare Londoners and purported that the Mets doing nothing about it. And neither of those facts are true. So we've had to get more agile, but there's more to do. We can get more agile up to the point of charge, but that window between charge and trial, we are snookered by the law.”

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17. “The law to do its job, but I defend my office. I don't know what the right answer is. I'm not a lawyer, I'm not pretending, but sort of America has a very different approach, doesn't it, with almost no law of contempt. So who knows what the Law Commission will recommend? But what we're doing in the meantime, we've sort of changed our approach to social media. So the protesters, an example, getting much better at...”

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18. “I think the Law Commission are looking at the law of contempt and we will feed into that review because maybe it is out of date in today's world. But as it stands at the moment, what the internet”

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19. “Assertive than maybe I might have had to have been 10 years ago because I need to reinforce that point in this situation in all this noise a jury of London has looked at all the evidence and this was their conclusion so this is all irrelevant noise off stage left and of course we can all have we can all have sympathy for the CABA family who have lost a loved one but we should have empathy for officers who do their job in the most dangerous circumstances taking on dangerous gang members just like Martin Blake did and also why aren't we reflecting on the consequences of characters who coerce and draw 13 year old boys into gangs and sort of take them on a course which is disastrous for their life yet we don't manage to have that balanced conversation and that's the that's the question I was pushing back against”

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20. “We're now in a world where there's bound to be sort of nutty extremes on social media, and that's an unregulated space. But people in official positions sort of elected or otherwise. I think we all have a duty to look for the truth and not simply to chase clicks or attention by saying the most contentious thing or the most appealing thing in a particular moment. And I think that's a danger of the world that we've slipped into. And I feel drawn into sort of... Situations to be more”

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21. “It's difficult, but we're creatures of the law, and I'm not going to offend against the law of contempt, however frustrating it might be that lots of others can ignore that and sort of ruminate innuendo about what went on and what the rights and wrongs of that case are out there. And then there's a trial. Twelve Londoners looked at all the evidence, not sort of the rumino. And they decided they believed Martin Blake, the firearms officer, and that he had reasonable grounds for what he did. And after a few hits,”

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22. “On the same day, on the same protest or the same event, officers are called sort of fascist and woke. I mean, that's slightly ridiculous. On the same day, officers will have allegations that all officers are sort of racist and bigoted, and then someone else saying officers, it's two-tier policing and officers are somehow sort of some implication of cozying up to minorities and not being neutral. This is the consequence of being a service that operates in the middle without fear or favour under the law. And policing, of course, operates our job is when society fractures where there's conflict and disagreement, that's inevitably where we are. So the people with polarized views, we're always going to be the ones in the crossfire, and we have to robustly and determinedly hold that line of independence under the law.”

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23. “It must be a pleasing decision. We should always be open to hearing other people's perspectives. We shouldn't be insular or arrogant, but it's a pleasing decision to That's what the law creates, and that's the expectation, the idea of operation independence, and that challenge, but the final decision sitting with us, but also particularly on things that protest is inevitably often political with a capital P. Our Parliament has decided that the decisions on how you manage that within a legal framework are better made by an independent apolitical police officer than they are by a deliberately partisan politician. And so that's what Parliament's decided and that's what we do. We don't bow to pressure. One of the things I think is so much harder when I reflect on sort of what I dealt with sort of walking the streets of Birmingham 30-odd years ago and what officers deal with today and the command decisions that flow around it, operating in such a polarised, aggressive world.”

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24. “Was the Citizen Commissioner tenant in a thriller? And it's sort of a great fun thing to do in retirement, to come up with some fiction in a sort of more dystopian, more worrying world than the one we fortunately inhabit.”

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25. “Some of those conversations are robust. I respect, I will always respect the office of Secretary of the Prime Minister and the Mayor, because our democracy has created those helmets of account. I will listen to what they say because they're speaking on behalf of the public. I'll reflect on what we're doing. But the final decision, operational decision, remains with me and my team have sort of committed experts.”

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26. “A legal process to sack a commission, and if they want to invoke that, then we work through that process. On big high-risk operations, Is routine to be briefing the mayor and all the Home Secretary and sometimes the Prime Minister. I've done it many times on counterterrorism operations. We do it on big protest operations when we have the riots over the summer. So that's not in itself unusual.”

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27. “There's other things they can do. So, my point is I will do everything I can do, but I think it's reasonable for me to say you're setting really high expectations on me. And my 45,000 fantastic people, I'm going to ask you to help where it's within your gift, not mine.”

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28. “We all want to do a better job for London and for the countries communities. But that requires us to do better within the guardrails that put around us, but also it requires constructive conversation of those around say, actually, if you help us by changing this law, or if you help us by changing these employment conditions or help us by changing this policy or help us with money, that makes a difference. One example, we're suffering in London. We're making a lot of progress on violence against women and girls and serious violence and some types of crime. Our biggest challenge is the sort of theft of phones, sort of theft and robbery of phones from people on the streets of London, and that's widely reported. I've been working with Home Office and the Mayor. We need to put pressure on technology companies to make phones more secure so that when these things are stolen, they don't have a massive resale value because that's driving the crime. And the mayor was very helpful in running a tech summit with the phone companies to put pressure on them, for example.”

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29. “So people expect me. And the 45,000 amazing people I lead to do a brilliant job for London. It's My job to set the organisation to be able to win against the expectations others put to us and that we want to reach. So why wouldn't I be clear and strong about how hard we're working to do a brilliant job and how much more we could achieve if the budgets and the enablers were right? And sometimes enablers are about law, about policy, they're not just about money, but... The Mets had a lot of criticism, some fair, some unfair, and they”

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30. “Front them with the problem. It's the choices that, and of course the Prime Minister gets data from the Chancellor and things and they make decisions on what they think are the biggest priorities for the country in terms of spending money on the economy or the health service or policing or whatever. And that's their choices. But all I can do is put the choices and consequences into the system”

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31. “The first thing is quite rightly politicians, and I'm on a program called Political Thinking. I'm not a politician, I'm accountable to politicians, they represent the public in holding me to account. And Sadiq Khan and Yvette Cooper as mayor and home secretary sort of at the centre of that. They properly and rightly push me to get the best possible out of the money they give me so that we're sort of using it to best effect for the public. And that, of course, that's right. But in the same way, I need to be honest with politicians and at appropriate moments to the public in saying, well, here are the choices based on this amount of money, I can do this or this.”

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32. “The resources we've got, and we're making lots of progress in that, but we can't really meet the ambition of ourselves, of London's communities or politicians, without a credible resource to meet that challenge.”

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33. “Deeply concerned about the effect on placing London. This is in the context of what ought we to be. We place a global city. I mean, I'm sort of, I'm from Birmingham, I've lived in London over 20 years and I would never live anywhere else. It's the most amazing city. London is probably the greatest city in the world, or maybe London and New York are together. Policing a global city has an extraordinary set of challenges. Think about it's a financial capital. It's got the most diverse globally connected population. It's a technology capital. It's got all the culture there. And on top of that, of course, you bring protest, politicians are the challenges. If you compare what we spend on policing in London to what gets spent in New York and Sydney, they're spending about 50% more per capita. So I've got lots of benchmarks that actually we need to be going in that direction, in the upwards direction, but actually it looks like we're going to be going fairly rapidly in the opposite direction. In terms of we can be a better organisation, more efficient, better at using”

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34. “I'm not going to say what those tough choices are today because then that'll sort of rush into headlines when actually we need to go sort of sharper numbers in the conversations and then say here are the 10 or 20 things we're going to do differently and we'll do that properly before Christmas. But that's not the moment. But I am.”

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35. “Some of the challenges the Met faces comes from desperately trying to keep a significant number of police officers but cutting everything else. So actually our buildings are, we've sold a lot of them, but the ones that left half of them are in a parlor state. In a few years, many of them will be unusable if we don't spend more money on them. I'm left with a budget now. We have half the money per square metre for maintaining our property than Whitehall has for government buildings per annum. What that means is we can refurbish each police building once every hundred and thirty years. That's completely crazy. So we're having to balance our budgets differently. I'd much rather spend more of my time on operational policing, but trying to get the resources in the right place, though operation officers and PCSOs and others can do their job is critical at the moment. Those numbers are presenting some very, very difficult choices, which will come.”

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36. “And you get a dramatic change in budgets of a scale that's never going to be absorbed by efficiencies and is going to require some pretty eye watering cuts to the services we provide to London. And we're working through what those will be alongside the conversations with those funders in terms of the choices and what the final detail on funding will be.”

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37. “Three quarters a quarter roughly, but um, so I'm not going to put the detailed numbers on the table, but and this is not just about this year's decisions, but it's a cumulative effect of decisions over the last decade or so, which have put us in a more and more precarious position. Some of the things that successive commissioners and mayors have used to balance the books like selling police stations and using reserves, all of those things have run out. So those have propped up the budget. Those props have gone. The chance has been very clear it's a difficult public sector context. You add all those things together.”

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38. “I'm deeply troubled by the situation where appear to be heading towards, obviously there's still conversations ongoing with sort of Home Office and City Hall, so the detail numbers have worked out, but the assumptions we have.”

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39. “Going to be very different in a globalised city, and the technology available and the tools we can use. So reinventing it for today is critical, but the principle that policing democracies rooted in trust is important. We don't want a policing style that you might adopt as police chief in a capital city in a sort of autocratic dictatorship. We want something different.”

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40. “So, for listeners who won't have looked at this, the idea he captured as Britain came out of an industrial revolution and was thinking about organising policing was policing shouldn't be a paramilitary force top down controlling the masses. It should be of communities. And as we put together constabularies by putting together individually tasked constables that existed previously, that should be an agency of the community more than an agency of the state. And he talked about things like the ability for policing to succeed is so dependent on public trust. He talked about the police of the public and the public are the police. It's not a separate class of people. He talked about the outcome of policing, the most important outcome being the absence of crime, not the vigorousness of enforcement. So some quite profound ideas. How we interpret those today”

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41. “Whatever could be someone. Exactly, and this is where it's worth thinking about your radar and what agencies like GCXQ can do with international surveillance all the way through to what community policing does are all important. I can think of attacks that we've prevented in cases I've been involved with, which it's the international surveillance that has given us the lead that has led to someone over there is directing somebody here to do something awful. Likewise, we've had literally sometimes literally sometimes metaphorically the nosy neighbour who spotted something, who's picked up the phone to the local police saying, I'm a bit worried about, that comes from trusting local policing, and that's the starting point. So you need as many options as possible to bring in the information, to help you spot the risk to be able to intervene. And that sort of community policing at the bedrock of what we do is as true for counterterrorism as for fighting day-to-day crime.”

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42. “Really hard to spot, and there's Tens of thousands of individuals who've touched that zone at different times in history, and spotting the one who's going to change tomorrow and in a couple of weeks time do a terrorist attack is a wiki different problem for my teams and Ken McConnell's team at MI5.”

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43. “I think those things are true. And also it's more dispersed. If you go back twenty years, whether you look at Al-Qaeda or Irish threats, terrorists are in discrete cells there. Who is a terrorist and who isn't a terrorist? There's clear blue water between them. The effects of the last decade or so with all the toxic content online that's encouraging Islamist terrorist ideologies, extreme right-wing terrorist ideologies, incel violence and other ideologies, all of those are creating almost an open source availability to terrorism and people browse that, rev themselves up and sometimes act as a terrorist inspired by that without ever really joining a group. They act quite individually. So they're connected and inspired, but they're not directed. And that creates a grey zone outside of organized groups which are”

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44. “Got that pure ambition of nobody ever gets through. You can never quite get there, but that's absolutely the intent as the threat changes.”

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45. “The Matt Duke's from my team now leads the sort of counterterrorism response, working with MI5 and other partners in the way that I did a few years ago. We have the most extraordinary counterterrorism model, sort of an unfortunate piece of luck when I've compared what we do to what I see in many parts of the world. The tragic history in Britain of over 50 years of terrorism. And of course it's been different types of terrorism with Irish-related threats, Al-Qaeda, ISIS, right wing now in the mix and now sort of work on sort of state threats. That's meant that our model has constantly been challenged and stretched and usually got things right, occasionally got things wrong, learnt from inquiries. And so the model of how police and MI5 work together, the legislation that's been built up that gives the powers and the ability to intervene.”

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46. “And so that looks a big interest in the newspapers based on what I know at the moment. That was a sort of 30-second briefing that sort of someone mentioned to me about this is what's happening. This is what we think it is. So in terms of... Is it something up here to worry about in the Scottish terrorism or much lower than that? It's much lower than that at the moment. Of course, it's not impossible those things change as the investigation continues, but you're constantly getting those incidents and sifting the wheat from the chaff of which are the incidents and issues which demand massive attention and that leadership and which are part of the run of mill challenges of policing an amazing global city”

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47. “That's a sober reminder of the responsibilities of my responsibilities to them. They're prepared to do amazing things to the public. Need to help create an organisation that's better at supporting them.”

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48. “So you're worried about the sort of not just the bad, but the sort of the mad and the unusual and a grand state occasion like that, it actually only takes a small act of someone who's sort of an eccentric processor who can completely undermine an extraordinary state occasion. Anything in that week, it was a powerful reminder for me of the sort of officers that I'm privileged to lead. We had two officers who challenged dangerous looking man in near Leicester Square and both got massively serious knife injuries as a result of that really sort of horrific. I remember visiting them in hospital, straight in hospital that day and it was only firearms colleagues who have advanced first aid skills who were nearby. The surgeon in casualty said one of them would have been dead if it wasn't for the colleagues who've done that. So in that even in that week you've got officers who are stepping forward to protect the public and putting their life sort of completely on the line.”

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49. “The plans are massively detailed, but reality is always different to plans. You always have to polish them and tweak them and refine them and things don't work out quite as you expected. And there's always however well you plan. There's always that last gap where you're crossing your fingers. And in terms of planning and operations, a bizarre person to quote is Mike Tyson. Everyone has a plan until they get punched on the nose. And there's a bit of you're always waiting for the punch on the nose.”

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50. “It is nerve wrapping. I mean, in my previous roles in the Met, I'd been involved in the planning. I sort of knew the people who'd done it.”

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