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  1. Of my best friends and people who I think are the smartest, most creative, most happy-loving people I know, Paul Mann and D.A. Wallach both said to me that your podcast is the best and Martina, Tim Ferris invites you on this podcast. You have to go on it. So thank you, DA, and thank you, Paul.

    2024-06-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #749: Michael Lewis and Martine Rothblatt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  2. People are doing better than people have ever done before in history. So I say to myself, and I would ask, you know, somebody else looking through the world darkly right now, looking at the glass half full, I would say, how much worse it must have been in the past? What do I owe to my grandparents and great-grandparents and great-great-grandparents who suffered and toiled, who barely managed to survive to produce another generation? What do I owe to them? I owe to them to make the absolute most possible out of my life, and that's what I'm going to do.

    2024-06-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #749: Michael Lewis and Martine Rothblatt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  3. So, whether it's like, you know, my great grandparents from Eastern Europe or hers from the African diaspora, they had nothing to look forward to other than just the hope that they were going to have some children and that maybe those children might have a little bit of a better life than they did. And if not their children, their children's children. So their only purpose in life, their only hope in life, their only joy in life was to make a generation and that maybe that generation would be better. Now here we are in America or really most any other country in the world. We're at a point now where like eight out of ten people have a smartphone with access to all the world's knowledge and information, with access to countless amounts of music and training through YouTube. There are many people in the world still in dire circumstances, but the vast majority of

    2024-06-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #749: Michael Lewis and Martine Rothblatt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  4. It's a really difficult question to answer Tim because everybody's situation is so unique and so different. And I do not doubt that for many, many people, it is just a bad life, whether it started that way or ended up the way. And it's almost impossible to see a way out. The perspective that I take is that I try to stay in touch with my ancestors. I think about the great-grandmothers who had to bear children in the worst of possible circumstances. I think about all of the, like my partner Bina's great-grandmothers, who were picking cotton as slaves and had to work all day being bitten up by bugs, burning in the sun, feet deep in mud, and then bear a child at the last moment.

    2024-06-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #749: Michael Lewis and Martine Rothblatt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  5. Because the solutions, you know, Albert Einstein said you can't solve a problem on the same Have to solve it on a different level. If we all think the exact same way, we will never get out of the ruts that we're in. The only way to get out of the problems that we face is to think differently, to go down the corridor of indifference, to question authority, to be diverse, thinking different is the pathway to solving problems that exist today.

    2024-06-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #749: Michael Lewis and Martine Rothblatt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  6. The COVID long haulers, the people who have survived from a very difficult course of COVID, and they've got chronic lung problems that are bothering them months and likely years after the effect. I said, yes, that's a corridor of indifference. Nobody is thinking about the long haulers, the people who now have chronic lung problems because of the havoc that COVID wracked in their lungs. Let's develop some medicines for these chronic long haulers.

    2024-06-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #749: Michael Lewis and Martine Rothblatt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  7. To spend an amount of money equal to the revenues of the number one or number two in that market to become the number one or number two in the market. If you're not the number one or number two, you will always struggle to be profitable. But if you are the number one or number two, your profitability is assured. So what that means translated to all of our activities is if there's an area like for example, a number of people have said, you know, we should get involved. We, when I say we, my company, I therapeutics should get involved in creating a vaccine for COVID. And to me, well, you know, it's not a corridor of indifference. There are dozens of companies working on a vaccine for COVID. So that's not what we would want to do. It's very unlikely we'd ever be successful on that. Somebody else said, well, how about these people?

    2024-06-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #749: Michael Lewis and Martine Rothblatt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  8. Yes, so identify the corridors of indifference and run like hell down them means to try to find, I'll put it in business terms, a market area that is ignored, an unmet need, but it doesn't really have to just apply to medicine. It can apply to any area of life. And the way I would phrase it, Tim, in just like a very natural, almost folklorish way is that it's better to be a big fish in a small pond than a small fish in a big pond. In a business school back at UCLA, one person we studied a lot was the experience of General Electric under Jack Welch. And he had an adage, which from a business sense was, I think, very, very smart. He said, if you can't be number one or number two in a market, don't even try because you will have

    2024-06-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #749: Michael Lewis and Martine Rothblatt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  9. That is going to be a humongous carbon footprint. We could have said to ourselves, well, we're doing such a good thing. We're saving all these lives. We could be permitted to foul our atmosphere because it's balanced by the good things we're doing. But instead, we like to ask ourselves like the challenging question, how can we do the good thing and the right thing at the same time? How can we manufacture all these lungs and deliver them with a zero carbon footprint? And the solution came from the technology of electric helicopters, which are powered by renewable energy. They can fly these organs from one place to the other without adding any carbon footprint at all. And I will be a little bit of a soothsayer here. I am absolutely convinced that in this decade, the 2020s, we will be delivering manufactured organs by electric helicopter.

    2024-06-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #749: Michael Lewis and Martine Rothblatt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  10. Within four hours, in almost two thirds of the time, we were able to take what was a non-compliant, dead piece of tissue and turn it into a nicely breathing lung. It's so beautiful to watch him. The lungs go in and out like a butterfly's wings going up and down. In fact, you could see a video of it on that Washington Post article you were mentioning. And then we cool the lungs back down and we fly it to the transplant surgeon. And 100% of the time that they have accepted these lungs, they have had successful lung transplants with, like I mentioned, over 150 people walking out of the hospital. But I mentioned this because this is a lot of flying around, flying here, flying there, you know, helicopters going back and forth, planes. And if I'm going to make an unlimited supply of organs, and you remember all those numbers we talked about at the beginning of the call, the hundreds of thousands of people who needs these organs.

    2024-06-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #749: Michael Lewis and Martine Rothblatt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  11. First, you have to remove it from the dying body. A dying body is a terrible place to be. So we remove it from the decedent. We cool it down. So we kind of give it a, I won't say we freeze it, but we cool it down very low temperature. We fly it to Maryland and we put it in a glass dome. And in this glass dome, we have tubes. We have a kind of artificial blood and air pumping. So we've made a kind of isolated artificial body just for that lung. And we have expert technicians who work these, sorry, I don't know the exact name of the equipment, but it sucks out mucus and they operate on the lungs like it was a person, but it's just isolated pair of lungs. And the transplant doctors who could be in Texas or Florida, wherever, they tell us through the digital screen and the voice, put the bronchoscope down the left side or down the right side or go further, give me, they see this and they know what they want. So our technicians know how to do this.

    2024-06-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #749: Michael Lewis and Martine Rothblatt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  12. Are the Deced's family has agreed to the donation. But when the transplant surgeons look at that lung, they say it's full of fluid and mucus. We can't use it. Throw it away. So what United Therapeutics says is give us your lonely, unwanted, unloved lungs. Fly them to Silver Spring, Maryland. We will refurbish them. We'll show through a high-speed digital network to the transplant surgeons all across the country that the organ is good as new through this digital network and bronchoscope and x-ray and all that stuff. And then we fly the lungs back out to them. We've saved over 150 lives this way, Tim. How do you?

    2024-06-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #749: Michael Lewis and Martine Rothblatt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  13. Temperature of the Earth in the winter to keep the building warm. The sides of the building are clouded with solar panels. The entire building has a brain that automatically opens the windows and closes the windows to allow natural ventilation. It's a role model for many other buildings.

    2024-06-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #749: Michael Lewis and Martine Rothblatt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  14. Up suburb of Washington, D.C. And for the manufacture of medicines and stuff, which is somewhat of an energy intensive activity. So we built 150,000 square foot zero carbon footprint building, which turned out to be the largest zero carbon footprint building in the entire world. And we inaugurated it a couple years ago. It turns out we produce more energy than we use each year, now two years running. We did this by just thinking carefully about energy and how to manage it. So for example, we have underneath the building 50 wells, each of which goes down 500 feet and they exchange heat from the building with the coolness of the earth in the summer, bring the coolness back up, and in the winter, they exchange coolness of the building with the steady

    2024-06-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #749: Michael Lewis and Martine Rothblatt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  15. So, this is another area that gives me immense enjoyment. Again, another kind of like lightning bolt to my soul is to try to create infrastructure, buildings and cars and planes and things that have a zero carbon footprint. And I look at it as an intellectual challenge when I've read that people said, well, we cannot have a zero carbon footprint society until 2050. That's what the authorities say. You know already, Tim, I'm going to say why? Why not? Why not? Why not? I'm going to question that authority. So about three years ago, we undertook to build a new headquarters for a company in Silver Spring, Maryland that would have a zero carbon footprint. Not in the best climate, Maryland. It's got its good seasons and its bad seasons, right in the middle of a city. Silver Spring, Maryland is a built-in city.

    2024-06-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #749: Michael Lewis and Martine Rothblatt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  16. And then if I could add an addendum to them, did you guys know that the Earth receives 10,000 times the amount of solar energy falls right on the Earth each day than it uses 10,000 times the amount of energy it flows? And that's not to talk about the wind. And that's not to talk about the waves. And that's not to talk about the nuclear energy. I think people in the future may think we were pretty stupid to be so scared of nuclear energy, which has killed a few dozens of people that we went ahead and just stopped all the nuclear plants and began pouring ungodly amounts of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere that will kill millions of people. That will seem ludicrous to them.

    2024-06-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #749: Michael Lewis and Martine Rothblatt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  17. Gases into this atmosphere despite the fact that people are dying on the shorelines, dying of diseases, et cetera, et cetera. I think they will think we are as stupid as somebody who would light a fire in the middle of their house to try to keep warm and not bother with the smoke that they were choking on.

    2024-06-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #749: Michael Lewis and Martine Rothblatt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  18. Thomas Aikens painted the Agnew Clinic, and you see that the doctors in white smocks and everybody is looking super sterile and clean. So these type of revolutions can occur just like one generation to the next. It's not something that takes a long time. I think that looking at what's going on today in our world, I think the fact that we burn our own house will look to be absolutely bonkers. People would say, well, let me get this right. You've got like, you know, a super thin atmosphere. I mean, you guys saw that from space since the 60s at least. This atmosphere on your planet is super thin. You have an undeniable record of measurements of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere going up year after year after year. And you continue to just spew without limit greenhouse gas.

    2024-06-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #749: Michael Lewis and Martine Rothblatt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  19. Infecting everybody and countless women lost their lives because of having those type of quote unquote doctors helping with the delivery of the children and ending up creating a septic condition in the mothers. And one of the most famous painters in American history, Thomas Aikens, painted this picture of the gross clinic where Dr. Gross was teaching all the young doctors how to do a procedure. And you see Durton, his shoes and scuffy hands. Then he was followed the second president of the American Medical Association was Dr. Agnew, who was the student of Gross. And he had read about the research of Lister in England and became a believer that even though we can't see these things germs, they're real. And we need to practice strict septic procedures before we do an operation. A few years later, Tom

    2024-06-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #749: Michael Lewis and Martine Rothblatt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  20. Since a lot of what we look back in the past, that seems to be barbaric building on top of your example of the tortuous procedures put onto neonates, people forget that the founder of the American Medical Association, the first doctor who created the American Medical Association, his name was Dr. Gross. He lived in Philadelphia and he did not believe in asepsis at all. And so he would do all of his procedures right in his street clothes.

    2024-06-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #749: Michael Lewis and Martine Rothblatt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  21. Animal transplants. So in summary, I believe like an amazing field for the future, a field that will probably in the future have almost as many people with this career as our web designers today is the field of technoethics. Everybody who wants to create a technology will need to wrap that technology in an ethical envelope of consent.

    2024-06-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #749: Michael Lewis and Martine Rothblatt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  22. Who could be adversely affected by the implementation of that technology? And it comes into this domain of in my own field, say the transplantation of genetically modified pig organs into people. For me to have a right to do that technology, I have to have the consent of the larger community that that's a safe thing to do in a democratic country that consent is issued on behalf of the country by the government and in the field of health it's issued by the FDA. So before the FDA permits us to transplant these genetically modified pig organs into people, they want us to demonstrate to them that there is no risk, not a small risk, but no risk of any kind of animal virus seeping into the human population as a result of these.

    2024-06-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #749: Michael Lewis and Martine Rothblatt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  23. So long as you comply with your obligation to be at least not a horrible parent. If you're a horrible parent, you will have your children taken away from you and you'll no longer, in that sense, be a parent. So with regard to technology, I think there is a point of view that anybody who can create a technology has a right to make that technology. But I dispute the ethics of that perspective. I think that every right to make a technology is coupled to an obligation to have the consent of anybody who would be adversely affected by that technology. So, for example, my right to build an atomic power plant or a nuclear power plant someplace, I don't just have that right. That right is coupled to an obligation that I have to have the consent of all the surrounding communities of people.

    2024-06-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #749: Michael Lewis and Martine Rothblatt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  24. In my mind, the biggest problem with technology is that people only think about the rights to implement a technology and they don't think about the obligations they have as somebody creating a technology. And by what I mean by that is there was this great philosopher of the 20th century Isaac Berlin, I believe he was German, and he had a real simple message. His message was that For every right there is an obligation. It's again, it's a very Alan Watson. Sorry to keep coming back to Alan Watts, but it's a very Alan Wattsian point of view that a right only means something in the context of its obligation. So, for example, if I have a right to be a parent, which we think everybody has a right to be a parent, you only have that right to be a parent.

    2024-06-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #749: Michael Lewis and Martine Rothblatt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  25. What they have underpromised in the long term is in not 10, 20, 30 years, but in say 80, 90, or 100 years, there won't be just digital rats, digital dogs and digital people, but most people will be digital.

    2024-06-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #749: Michael Lewis and Martine Rothblatt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  26. It's pretty hard to say, Tim, because one thing I am not is I'm not a soothsayer, I'm not a prophet, I'm not a visionary, any of those things. I'm just a humble technologist and all the projects I work on, they have five-year time horizons because I have difficulty really seeing beyond five years. So every technology I'm working on, it's like, I want to get this thing done and out to the public within five years. Also, I am totally a believer in this adage that futurists usually overpromise in the near term and underpromise in the long term. So what that would mean in this context is you will hear a lot of futurists saying, oh, we'll have digital rats or digital dogs or digital people in 10, 20, or 30 years. They have probably overpromised in the near term.

    2024-06-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #749: Michael Lewis and Martine Rothblatt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  27. And what I love about Ray is he never tires of pointing out that this digital human consciousness, it's human. Human consciousness is a human phenomena. So when we create a digital analog or doppelganger or simulchra, whatever you want to call it, when we create a her, that her is human. It's not us versus them. It's one. It's we will have been able to move our mind into a digital substrate just like if our knees give out, you move it to a mechanical substrate or if an organ gives out, you transplant it with another organ.

    2024-06-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #749: Michael Lewis and Martine Rothblatt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  28. If that digital consciousness is not yet at human level, what happens when it's at, say, primate level or at canine level or even at rodent level? If you can get to any of these levels, you could kind of see how it's the same old human effort of keep making incremental improvements that would eventually get you to the human level, where I think that the individual alive today that has the best understanding of this topic is a guy at Google named Ray Kurzweil. He's a director of engineering at Google.

    2024-06-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #749: Michael Lewis and Martine Rothblatt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  29. So, I think just like we have been able to create an artificial hip, artificial knees, artificial hearts. In my own company, we are building lungs and kidneys. People are creating artificial nerves. People like Elon Musk has formed a whole company, Neurolink, where he's working on downloading a whole human brain. I have little doubt that humans will end up being able to replicate a human mind. Now, whether or not the rest of society accepts it as a human mind or not, I think is going to be a long pitch battle. And that's what is the subject of my book, Virtually Human. That whole book is talks about how and when will society accept digital consciousness as being as conscious as a human.

    2024-06-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #749: Michael Lewis and Martine Rothblatt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  30. Sure, I do believe it's possible. And a great book that I would recommend that goes into this subject in beautiful detail is called The Emotion Machine by Marvin Minsky. And Marvin Minsky is often thought of as the father of artificial intelligence. He was a professor at MIT for a great many years. So in the emotion machine book, he really describes exactly how you would go about creating a computer and the type of software that it would take in order for the machine to feel what we feel when we say that we love somebody. And I think it's likely to occur, Tim, because it's hard for me to think of any aspect of life that cannot be replicated if one had sufficiently advanced technology. Technology. One of my favorite sayings from another role model, Arthur.

    2024-06-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #749: Michael Lewis and Martine Rothblatt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  31. So every morning, being with my partner goes out for, takes our two dogs out for a walk with one of her best friends who lives a few houses away. And that best friend now joins our love night. And last Friday she said, what love means to me is every morning going out for a walk with Beana and the dogs. Last week, our youngest grandson, Saturn, he's born in 2010, so he's 10 years old. He said, What love means to me is this. And he pulled a piece of paper. He said, I got a 95 on my math test. He was just so proud of himself and shared it with us. So, those are typical examples of, I think I last time said what love means to me is sitting down at the piano and playing different songs from memory.

    2024-06-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #749: Michael Lewis and Martine Rothblatt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  32. And so we get together every Friday night, we sing our love night song, and now there's about 20 of us, you know, we go around virtually what love meant to us during that previous week. And I would say Love Night is one of the most beautiful parts of my life.

    2024-06-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #749: Michael Lewis and Martine Rothblatt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  33. Kids are all adults now. They've flown the coupe. They have their own kids. And suddenly we are in a situation where we can't all gather together in any one house for Love Night. You don't want to travel. You don't want to like endanger people, so on and so forth. So we decided to continue the Love Knight tradition, but on Zoom or to be fair, Google Meet. So every Friday night from my son who's a captain in the Army in Iraq to his wife who's on a base in El Paso to my other son with four grandchildren in Florida to my daughter in Brooklyn and her kid and her husband and Beata and I we all get together on Zoom plus friends of all of ours the kids were not embarrassed by Love Night in fact they wanted to share it with their friends and their friends were saying like whoa this is crazy this is beautiful

    2024-06-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #749: Michael Lewis and Martine Rothblatt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  34. To this Friday, what does love mean to you? And, you know, Bina and I, as the adults, we would say something either sophisticated or simple. Like, I love Beena. I love Martine. I love the kids. The kids started off just saying like, what love means to me is our dogs or our cats. You know, very basic things. But as they grew older, they came into more and more sophisticated definitions and expressions of love until after a couple of decades of this, all of us have heard thousands of different things that love can mean to a person. Now, I'd like to fast forward, and sorry to be in a little riff here, but I want to fast forward to the current COVID pandemic.

    2024-06-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #749: Michael Lewis and Martine Rothblatt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  35. Said a couple of prayers. So Beana and I tried to think, how can we like merge all these things together, the Jewish tradition, the need to create a blended family, the music that we were all enjoying from watching the kids learn to play piano and violin? And we decided to every Friday night have a special family ceremony, which we would call Love Night. And we sang a song, which the melody was actually based on one of the kids songs that they had learned in the Yamaha music program. The words were, you know, very simple and affirming. And at Love Night, the core of Love Night was that each person around the table would have an opportunity to say, what love meant to them during the past week, during the week from the previous?

    2024-06-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #749: Michael Lewis and Martine Rothblatt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  36. So, when Dina and my partner and I got married, we each had one child from a previous marriage that each of us had custody of. And then we had two children together. And we were kind of trying to build a blended family that would feel like nobody was a stepmom or a stepdad, that everybody was just like in one family. And in fact, we cross adopted each other's kids from our previous marriages. So I was taking the kids to music classes. All of the kids were in the Yamaha music program where they learned piano and violin instruments like that. And we would practice songs. And I was brought up Jewish where every Friday night was something that was special. It was the Sabbath and the family sat down together and had dinner.

    2024-06-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #749: Michael Lewis and Martine Rothblatt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  37. And it's there for all the thousands of young people today who have come up grown up with more music than ever before to begin to apply this great human cultural technology of music to the biggest mystery in the entire universe, which is the human mind

    2024-06-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #749: Michael Lewis and Martine Rothblatt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  38. You see, like just in this conversation, we are uncovering so many vast new oceans of opportunity for people to learn and study about. To me, music is the foundational human technology. Because the first thing that we ever could become aware of would be the beat of our mother's hearts while we were still in utero. And that beat, that's a rhythm. And after we're born, you know, people may have better or worse rhythm, but there's nobody that cannot detect the sound of a beat and move to it. And then all the different types of melodies and chords that build upon rhythm, it's just fancier and fancier forms of music. So I believe that there's tremendous therapeutic properties to music. It's just been scratched, not even scratch. It's been kind of like blown on.

    2024-06-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #749: Michael Lewis and Martine Rothblatt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  39. The computers' interaction capability, input, output capability triggered by something like a neurosky type of EEG brain interface. And the last piece of it was given a Christmas present by a friend of mine, which was one of these neurosky headsets that lets you kind of like play a game just with your thoughts by controlling your EEG signals. So that's a consumer product anybody can buy and it really works.

    2024-06-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #749: Michael Lewis and Martine Rothblatt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  40. Think part of it was seeing my mother-in-law suffer pretty badly from somewhere on the spectrum between dementia and Alzheimer's was never really completely clear where she was at that. And she would recognize us coming in, but she couldn't communicate. And it would have meant a lot to everybody if she would be able to communicate. My own mother is more or less at that point right now as well. Secondly, the work on the BINA48 computer showed me that it was really possible for people to strike up a meaningful relationship with the digital version of Bina, the Bina 48 robot. And so it was just like, you know, a very short step from instead of putting all of Bina's or even a good portion of her memories and her personality into this computer, why not actually have

    2024-06-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #749: Michael Lewis and Martine Rothblatt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  41. So that more people will come to visit the patient, the patient's stress levels may be lower. So I believe this kind of bridging of electronics in the mind is really right around the corner

    2024-06-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #749: Michael Lewis and Martine Rothblatt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  42. And it was a patent that I received for a device that I call a Alzheimer's cognitive enabler. And this device is worn over the cranium, as you mentioned, and it senses nerve impulses inside the brain. It is connected to a computer with a visual recognition and a speech comprehension system so that if a patient with Alzheimer's is not able to adequately communicate and appear to recognize the people who are coming into their room, the computer vision recognition system and sound recognition system will talk on behalf of the Alzheimer's patient, say, you know, hello, son. Thank you for coming to see me. And it is actually being triggered by recognitions that are deep in the Alzheimer's patient's mind.

    2024-06-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #749: Michael Lewis and Martine Rothblatt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  43. Little bit. I'm aware of a friend of mine has a company that obtained an FDA approval for treating a particular form of brain cancer with this type of technology. So there's this very solid scientific benefit that's been documented. After many years of working through the FDA, I have a world of respect for the rigor that they put into any decision to approve something. So when they approved it, it meant that it was scientifically proven to work. Something that is quite different from that, but at the same time related to it, Tim, is on the last day of 2019, which was like the last day of the decade, it turned out to be a weekday. I forget if it was a Tuesday or whatever, but the US patent office only issues patents on one day of a week. And it was like the one day of a week that they issue them on, whether it's Tuesday or whatever.

    2024-06-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #749: Michael Lewis and Martine Rothblatt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  44. People will be able to put on a pair of like beat headsets and those beat headsets will have gelless, meaning like you don't need like the EKG kind of gelless electrodes will rest across your Simba Konchi and your Traega and the different parts of your airlobe and will provide you a stimulation that matches the particular ailment that you have. eliminate the ailment without taking any pills, without paying any money to anybody.

    2024-06-25 · The Tim Ferriss Show · #749: Michael Lewis and Martine Rothblatt · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT

  45. And signal voltages that will activate some different part of the vagus nerve than others. And each of these different voltages and wavelengths will correlate to a different part of the human body. We don't know what those are. Right now, we are just kind of, in the way I would say, we're dumber than the acupuncturists because almost all of the work that the FDA has allowed to go forward on vagal nerve stimulation, they all use the same pulse wave.

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  46. Now, it is totally true. And why really would it not be true? I mean, you know, thousands of years of Chinese civilization, they have had a chance to do so much trial and error. And they were illiterate civilization for so long. So the results that trial and error could be passed on and passed on. So I do think it's entirely rational that they would have figured this out. And what I'm hoping for now and what I'm trying to support is there is an opportunity to what I call in my own words crack the human neurome. So what that means is that there are unique pattern of amplitudes and signal lengths.

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  47. And practitioner map of the earlobe in terms of exactly where you put, I'm sorry, I don't know what the official name is of the pins or needles that they put in your earlobe and how they map to different parts of the body. And then he showed me on an anatomy map how that traces the lines of the vagus nerve.

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  48. First, your credibility is immense, so you would have to actually say something crazy to Denton or what you said is the opposite of crazy what you said is extremely insightful and prescient. So as convinced as I was that putting a satellite in geostationary orbit would enable people across the planet to receive radio signals as convinced as I was that we could have a molecule that would halt the progression of my daughter and other people's disease. That's exactly how convinced I am that the acupuncturists of traditional Chinese medicine did in fact come upon the nerve patterns that are accessible from the earlobe. And one of the first things that Dr. Tracy showed me was a very medically accurate from Chinese traditional medicine.

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  49. Two nervous systems, the sympathetic one, the fight or flight, takes more of a dominant position in the body and causes a state of inflammation or overactivation. And by stimulating the vagus nerve, you can ramp up the power of the parasympathetic nervous system and calm down this kind of overstressed state that leads to an irritable bowel syndrome or to the inflammation of arthritis.

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  50. One which has been documented quite extensively is the ability to control Crohn's disease and irritable bowel syndrome, which are two gastrointestinal problems, as well as very high-priced and I would say tinged with some potential side effect biologic medicines that are approved by the FDA to treat Crohn's disease and irritable bowel syndrome. Another illness that has been shown to mediate against is rheumatoid arthritis. And the common factor here is that we have two types of nervous systems. We have a fight or flight nervous system, which is the sympathetic nervous system. And we have a rest and digest nervous system, which is called the parasympathetic nervous system. When diseases occur, it's because one of the

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