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  1. Let's all heal. Let's all heal as a country no matter how different. Heal this riven country of ours. So that's what I'm wishing for all of us and wishing everybody a lot of love and light today. And a big, nice cigar.

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  2. The first pillboard Know, put down that gun, you need a sandwich. You need a sandwich and a hot bath. No, I know what I would put. I would put 90% of what's wrong with you could be Cure with a hot bath. That's what I'd put.

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  3. Nothing about, and these are We're living. Look, we're not curled up on the back wards of mental institutions, and we both could be

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  4. So good for you. So, good for you. So, a horrible thing. That happened to you that's being used to help a lot of give a lot of people hope, and it's gonna prompt a lot of healing.

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  5. On air, Tim, because I have to say it, I just have so many young people who come to me about sexual assault, so many young men who have come to me, my students, young writers, young poets. And you're being open about this on this podcast has just been such a gift to all these young men.

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  6. He just won best director at Fright Fest. And it's unfolding just the way it needs to unfold. It's getting curious about where the light is, you know, just being curious about where the light is.

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  7. Ages we were in each other's lives. And I would give anything for her to be alive, but I still think our not being in touch was the best thing for both of us. You know, I don't regret that. And there's this amazing gift to me of being in touch now with her son and her husband and her stepchildren. And I would give anything if she were alive. But there are gifts in this suffering that are real spiritual gifts. I practice when things happen that I find very disappointing. My son had a film coming out, his first feature film coming out at Tribeca Film Festival. And it's a global pandemic. And so there is no Tribeca Film Festival. And he's raised somehow all this money and put years worth of work in and moved heaven and earth. And you know what? The film's being released. He's got a great distribution deal.

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  8. I'm sorry too. You know, we were not in touch. We had a terrible childhood and we had not been really in touch for seven years. And that was my choice. And I remember saying, do my therapist, isn't it going to be terrible when she dies? She said, yeah, it's going to be terrible anyway. Although it's horrible that she's dead. There's nothing. I feel my love for her. I don't have to defend myself against my love for her. Way I did when we were estranged. I can cherish and remember all the times we were there for each other. All the

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  9. Never is sick and just, you know, coups and cuddles in like that. And I had been able to, I would have kept drinking. If I had had my granddaughter, who's like the easiest 12-hour night sleeper eats everything you give or laughs at everything you do, I would have kept drinking. I could not physically drink the way a real alcoholic needs to drink and take care of a kid who was sick all the time couldn't do it and work and make a living. I couldn't do all those things. It was too hard. And so I don't think God sent pathogens into my infant son's body. I don't know how any of this works. But when I ask where God is in this, my own physical discomfort forced me to get sober. So, my sister died this summer. Very suddenly, a pancreatic cancer in less than a week.

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  10. And I remember so when it came time to do Ignation spiritual exercises, you were trying to find God in all things. Where is God in that? Where is God in a sick baby? Tell you secret when I actually looked at my life and the decisions I was making, I would have kept drinking if I had had one of those Playboy babies that like sleeps 12 hours a night.

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  11. Like one of the things I really resented God for my son, who was just this little beautiful blonde hair, blue-eyed and a tank of a boy, a natural kind of athlete, when he was little, he was sick all the time. I mean, he would get a cold and he would get these sinus infections. His fever would go to like 105. We'd rush him to children's hospital in Boston. It was terrifying. We're always rushing to emergency rooms because his fever was so bleeding high Just so terrifying and so I never slept. I never slept and I was depressed. I was probably postpartumly depressed and I was drinking by then I had started to decide drinking would help me take care of a sick child. Great idea, Mir. It's like the bad mom in the after school special. And so what?

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  12. When I first did a kind of moral inventory and recovery that they encourage you to do, I had a lot of resentments against God.

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  13. Your listeners, if you're just looking at hard things that you grew up with or you're trying to quit smoking, trying to quit drinking, trying to recover from trauma, I promise you, I will send you money if this is not true, that it will get easier. It's not linear and there will be those days when it's as painful as the first day you'll think, but I'm no better than I was, but you are. You just, it doesn't feel that way.

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  14. I was going to ask you about smoking because when you quit smoking, there's a phenomenon that happens. When you smoke, you'll have a craving for a cigarette. And the craving is as intense as it was the first day you quit. It's as overpowering. But if you just keep note of how long the craving last and how many of them there are, they're as intense, but they're not as long and as frequent. So it's the same thing about suffering when you first start therapy or you first lance that boil and you're unearthing some of the painful things you grew up with. It's as intense the first day, and you just feel like, oh my God, I'm in the burn ward and I just got snatched out of the fire and every answer me hurts and I want to run screaming down the street like my hair sound fire. It just won't last as long as it did the first time. And so if

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  15. Feel that way, or there are moments where I get my Nikos out and I fall on the ground. All I have to do is honor those moments. All I have to do is I have a heating pad. I have a weighted blanket. My kids have a pit bull I'll bring to stay with me. While an idiot is my little comfort animal, you know, I call people. I still have a sponsor. I still have a therapist. I don't talk to all the time, but I didn't have to be convinced to go into therapy. I knew I needed it. But when I first started it, as you know, it was just so damn painful. And I just, for those of your listeners out there, if you're having a hard time, I just want to say it's like you Lancea Boyle and the infection's straining off. And if you can just get by that.

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  16. Was walking the baby across the field just all I was was physically uncomfortable. I mean, I was thinking, gee, can I shove this thing and hold her, you know, and get everything and get all this stuff? How am I going to do, you know? And so I went crossways across mud fields. So I'm shoving the stroller and carrying her. I didn't know physically if I could do it. I was sort of dubious. I always thought, maybe I can't do this. But all I had to do was do it. I thought, well, if I get tired, I'll sit down. It'll rain on me a minute, then I'll get up and go again. Like that's what we'll do. But I don't know. Here's the way I put it. I tell people it's like I have a trick knee. It's like most of the time I walk fine. I run fine. I can, you know, squat more than my body weight and do advanced Pilates for an hour and 10 minutes. And I'm tough as boot. But there are days that I don't...

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  17. Well, I mean, I think it's not, you know, the problem isn't whatever your mind is telling you, the problem is. The problem is the fear. And for me, the solution to fear is curiosity and presence. And I can't be. Terrified and curious at the same time. And so when I

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  18. didn't know what it was, but I just thought well, I'll get her home and it'll be fine. You know, I didn't feel like, oh my God, oh my God, I'm a terrible mother and I'm going to wind up trying to stab her with a butcher knife, which is how I felt when my kid was that age. You know, I didn't know that I wasn't going to be my mother. I didn't know that. So scary

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  19. Doing it. And when I was 40 years old, 35 years old, it would have been like being beaten with a hose. I just thought, you know what, daddy was in the Battle of the Bulge. This is not that hard. You know, I just had the physical energy Even at my age, that I didn't know I had to do it. And I got back to the house and I went to fold up the stroller. There were four inches of freeze and water in the bottom of the stroller that I've been putting her in. And she was soaked through to her skin. Yeah, she was perfectly reasonable to be, you know, now I understand I could have just emptied it out and put her in the stroller and wrapped her up in a blanket bed.

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  20. And I had taken her across the park in a stroller, and a thunderstorm broke out. I mean, pouring rain. And I've never shared DNA with somebody this good natured as this baby. This baby coups smiles, laughs, never cries. I mean, sleeps, eats is just the best natured kid. I used to babysit in high school and college, so I've taken care of a lot of babies, and she's just the easiest kid. I get across the thing as pouring rain. She starts screaming, crying like she's being beaten. And I take her out of the stroller and I hold her and she calms down. I go to put her back in the stroller. She just starts screaming, crying again. Well, it's two miles across a muddy field in the pouring rain, and I've got a stroller and a bunch of crap, and I've got this, you know, 27 pound unit screaming unit. I just had no problem.

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  21. I know. I mean, I look back on it. I was like, he was crazy. Nobody's ever, I had a great therapist when my son was a baby who was a psychologist, PhD psychologist, and who really helped me try to learn how to be a mother when I hadn't had one. And all the feelings that come up around what you didn't get when you were a child, when you have a child, the protection and stuff. It's funny, my son watches me with his daughter now and just says, I don't know, sort of gives me nothing but a stroke. And I said, let me just tell you, I was not this good with you. Like I was crazy about you and I loved you, but I didn't have what I have now. I have with her that's just I don't even break a sweat going in there. I can do this stuff. It's funny I was in I babysit one or two days a week I was in Prospect Park this week.

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  22. You know, I think it totally depends on the person. I mean, the best therapist I ever had, I think. I mean, for me, the difference in therapy and recovery, I think, in therapy, I'm the baby and they're the mommy. And that model sort of, especially when I first started, I just felt like I needed a lot of nurturing. And I had great therapist, you know, my first therapist, when I look back on things he said and did was insane he would have been fired. He told me to go down after he'd been seeing me nine months and confront my homicidal suicidal mother about all this horrible stuff she'd done to me. And I did it. And he said, I won't see you until you do it. I mean, if nobody's ever done anything.

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  23. You know, I didn't have to be convinced. I mean, here's the other thing. Yeah, no, and there weren't a lot of people saying, gee, I wish you'd stop drinking. I mean, I led a pretty isolated. Existence, the way a lot of people who grew up, the way I grew up, do. I mean, my idea of telling somebody how I felt. I remember right before I stopped drinking, I remember I was teaching sort of all over the academic ghetto around Boston, but I remember specifically one day at Tufts, I was copying something for a class and I was dropped my kid off like vomiting out the side of the car before I dropped him off at daycare. I mean, and then I drove to Tufts and I was Xeroxing something and somebody said, how are you doing, Mary? And I was like, you know, I want to blow my fucking brains out. And that was my idea of telling somebody how I felt making a glib sort of awkward, socially awkward statement to somebody I hardly knew. And I've been in therapy then for a while, but I was also drinking every day everything I could get my mitts on.

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  24. It's a lifetime of practice. So I tell a lot of my students, my young students, you know, want to write about sexual assault or trauma of various kinds. Well, maybe why don't you get some treatment for this first? Why don't you treat your heart first, treat your body, treat yourself with a lot of care. See if this is what you want to write about right now. Something you can write about maybe five years from now or something, you know

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  25. Writing anything now I find very, I'm not dealing with anything like that. I'm so much, but I'm also happier now than I've ever been in my life. I mean, I'm 65 years old. I've never been so happy in my life. I've never been less good looking, had less social power, had, you know, any of the things that you would think would make me happy, joyous, and free. And I'm just I wake up every day really feeling lucky to be alive and feeling loved and feeling like not every day. I mean, I wake up plenty of days and I'm, you know, mad as an old stump pissing it. But most of my days are pretty lit up.

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  26. Dance class a couple times a week, and all those things keep me in my body. And when I'm in a lot of pain, I take care of myself. When I was drinking, I felt like I had this screaming baby that I was holding and I was screaming at it all the time to shut up. So yeah, I think I still have even.

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  27. Know when I was drinking my idea of medicating myself or anesthetizing myself, that was all I knew how to do. That was what my parents told me to do. That was all they knew how to do was try to drink it away. You know, my daddy was in the Battle of the Bulge. I mean, he went in at Normandy and he came out at Buchanwall. I mean, that's plenty of trauma. Plus being married to my mother would have been simple. There's only one person with a weapon as opposed to the Nazis. So, yeah, I think I'm a big fan of a hot bath. I'm a big fan of nutritious food. I'm a big fan of cardio. Even now, I mean, I'm 65. I don't do five dance classes a week, but I get up in the morning and I walk four miles and then I do Pilates three or four times a week and I take it.

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  28. Other drunk on margaritas and told her, you know, you tried to kill me with a butcher knife. And it's not because I was a bad kid and it ruined my life. And what the hell was wrong with you? What was going on? You know, I had done a lot of that work before and I tell people when they tell me they want to write a memoir about some horrible stretch of childhood or some awful period of trauma. Maybe they don't. Maybe they don't right now. So I think I had a sense of

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  29. Well, I mean, because you're alone. I mean, that's for me where the prayer and the God comes in. I do have a sense now that I didn't have back in the day. I mean, when by the time I started writing Liars Club, how old was I? I don't know, 35. I've been in therapy for 16 years. And I had also had a prayer practice for, you know, a meditation and prayer practice for some years. I hadn't converted. I wasn't a Christian. I was a Catholic. But I was about to become Catholic. And I was very active in recovery programs and I had a sponsor. And I also had, based on all of those efforts, I had done a lot of the processing and recovery. I had flown down to Texas when I was 23 years old and got my mother.

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  30. Really, more about trying to occupy a former self because I think, as you know, just as in trauma, the body remembers, the body also remembers beauty. It also remembers pleasure and love and those other things too.

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  31. Room you are in where your mother's cooking, your grandmother river, you had a good meal when you were little and try to close your eyes and smell that because smell is the most primordial memory and the most emotional memory and it's stored way back in that snake brain hypothalamus we have that is where all the trouble starts you try to get in that memory and interrogate your body about what you can smell, taste, touch. And then finally what you want. What are you yearning for and what's keeping you from getting it? Maybe it's a bite of the brisket or some of the barbecue or daddy's oysters coming up out of the fryer or what's going to keep you from getting it. It's my big-footed sister who, as daddy said, nothing ever got between her and a bag of groceries. You know, she's going to get all the oysters and I won't get any. And so it's.

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  32. County, Texas, and here sits his judge behind us. His liver spotted judge. These palsied hands and every meal he's ever eaten on his tie when she came to pick me up and he said, I remember your mother she was the most beautiful woman I'd ever seen and she said oh you old fool I mean it was just like oh my god mother get me out of here sucking up is underrated So anyway, yeah, I think it's memory. I do an exercise. I just did it the other day for a colleague of mine, Danis Biotto, a wonderful young novelist I teach with. And she's teaching an undergraduate class. And I said, you know, I want to do this right. There are 90 kids in the class. I said, I want to do this writing exercise. She said, well, they're writing, you know, it's been uneven. And if I said, trust me, everyone will write well. And you have them focus on a room they grew up in and to try to occupy the smell, to try to remember.

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  33. Up to that college and reading that book and thinking, I could be a writer. I somehow was able to remember those details and occupy that body in space and time and remember how disgusted I was by my mother and how terrified I was that I wouldn't do well at school, that I would fail. I've been such a screw up. You know, I've been arrested the year before with a bunch of kids and there was a bunch of dope and some of them went to jail and I didn't because the judge was a guy who had known my mother when she was a reporter for the local newspaper. And I still remember sitting in his, she came to pick me up wearing a leopard, she had leopard skin pajamas. It was July 4th and she had on a beaver coat with a mink collar. And those leopard skin pajamas and this hot night in Kuns.

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  34. When you're 17, you just think, my God, woman, shut your mouth. Take a smaller bite. Jesus, it's not going anywhere. You know, but the smell of the peaches and being in the, and suddenly I remembered that I had a copy of a hundred years of solitude that was her book, but I had started reading and she said, read it aloud to me. And I remembered reading that book and driving and I remembered, you know, you grow up around these kind of Texas dirt farms. I mean, there's plenty of corporate farming in the state of Texas, but then you get to the Midwest and it's just so organized. It's just there aren't the rusted cars in the yard and the refrigerator on the porch. It's these rows and rows of corn and these big cinnamon-colored silos. And I remember driving into that landscape.

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  35. Shotgun. The water in the air conditioner would spill out onto my bare feet. And it was icy, icy cold water. And I remembered that we had stopped and gotten a bushel of peaches in Arkansas. And she was drinking vodka, driving, drinking vodka and orange juice and eating these, watching her eat a peach. You know, when you're 17 years old to watch your mother eat and show any desire for anything is just so horrifying, you just want to die. There's just nothing uglier than watching your mother eat a peach.

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  36. Just Say what happened basically, what it looks like is just clawing through a line at a time or a sentence at a time. I think one example I give in the art of memoir is that when my mother is driving me to college and I think the sentence I started with was something like mother drove me to college in her yellow station wagon. We stopped every night at the holiday inn and got drunk on screwdrivers. I can't remember. Might have said puke and drunk on screwdrivers. I somehow was able to remember being in that car. The thing about my mother's yellow station wagon was that it didn't have an air conditioner. So at that time you could buy an air conditioner that's strapped under the dashboard. Well, it would build up condensation. And when she turned right, and I was sitting in the, you know,

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  37. I just went to bed for two days and I watched Dr. Phil reruns and a lot of cooking shows and I ordered a lot of curry. I think I had a whole pizza at one point and slopped around in my bathrobe. And then I called Dondala. I was one of the people I call. It's like, you know, the nuclear button, you know, who's like just one of the great novelists who also happens to be a friend of mine. And I said, Don, I think I'm writing him. He's like, what are you crying about? I said, I think I'm writing a bad book. And he said, well, who doesn't? And I thought about that and I thought, God, he's right. Tolstoy's written bad. But I mean, people I read, you know, every writer I know has written a bad book. Okay. So maybe it's just supposed to be a bad book, but it's the book that's standing in line to be written. And I think I became... Willing to fail

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  38. And so I finally, my agent called me and said, you know, you're going to have to. I said, you know what? I will sell my apartment and give the damn money back if they don't shut up and leave me alone. It's just going to take me a minute. So anyway, so I sent them, I don't know. I'd sent them like $130, $140 pages. And my editor at the time estimated that I'd thrown out $1,200. And let me tell you when she said that they sucked as bad as I thought they sucked. I mean, I knew they sucked when they sent them, which I didn't want to send them. I wanted to keep working on them.

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  39. Out 1200 pages of lit. Yeah, finished pages too. That's not draft. And that was written over about, I want to say five or six years. And I remember when I threw it out, Tim, I was so upset. I had been, well, first off, they were about to hang me. I was so late. I was like seven years late on a contract. I mean, they...

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  40. You want to say, I didn't know it was you, honey. I don't know only in the state of Texas do you have that story? It's just got all the elements of a Texas story. How could I not love it down there? I mean, oh my God.

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  41. Don't you want to say that though the next time somebody happened? I didn't know it was you the next time you do some horrible thing.

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  42. I mean, he doesn't hit him hard, but he knocks him down and then leaves and gets pulled over and is convinced he's going to prison for brandishing this weapon, for trying to hit this guy. But anyway, it turns out he had to call the guy to apologize. The guy's daddy knew Dooney's daddy. And he said, all he wants you to do is apologize. And Duny's like apologize. You know, I'll blow the guy. I don't want to go to jail. Of course I'll apologize. But here's the punchline of the story, and this is what makes Dooney still my best friend since I was 15. So he calls the guy up, and the guy answers and goes. And Duny goes, I am so sorry, man, about last night. I am so sorry. And the guy says, you almost killed me. And Doni says, man, I'm so sorry. I didn't know it was you.

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  43. And then he runs out. And then we hear the siren. So here come the say, here comes the. Then he runs out, he gets in his truck. And one of those moll cops, security guys, runs out. And Duny says he stands in front of my truck, in front of my headlights. He's got a belt buckle that will pick up HBO. He holds his hands up and goes, halt, halt. And Dooney just puts it in first gear and hits the guy.

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  44. It's just like, yeah, right. Or my friend Dooney got in a fight once with a guy in a bar and the guy said, and he told the greatest story about it. It was actually the guy he decided to stab. He went out in his truck and got a knife and came back with like a Swiss army knife. And he started facing this guy who was a state congressman, by the way. I won't tell you his name, but he starts chasing him around this bar. Well, to brandish a weapon in a place where alcohol is served is mandatory, I think, 10 years sentence, some big, you know, it's not it's frowned upon. And he's chasing this guy around in what somebody says to Dani at one point. That's a little bitty old knife you got through. He said, well, notice he don't want to get stabbed by it.

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  45. And just growing up in Texas, the idiom, the language I grew up with is epically beautiful. And the need to not be boring when you speak. You know, people will, I'm going to stomp a mud hole in your ass. That is so much better than I'm going to whip your ass.

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  46. He was also a poetic imagery. I mean, to me, that poetry I grew up, I was steeped in it. My mother, who was an enormous reader who read everything, Chinese history and Russian novels and philosophy and just read everything was just the master of, you know, I remember when she was dying, she had all these old men who were always trying to marry her, which why, but she's dying. She's actively dying. And one of these old boyfriends has come to see her at the hospital in Houston, and the nurse pen several and says, Miss Carr, your husband's here to see you. And she says, well, he must look like shit. He's been dead 20 years. And, you know, I mean, she just can't stop herself from saying like the most horrible thing you've ever thought. And so I think between the two of them.

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  47. Flat rock and that you hit that flat rock. It creates for one thing, it creates a whole landscape in which cows piss on flat rocks and people stand around and marble and go, my goodness, look ye at that. And then you attribute that to the rain. It's a metaphor. It operates way beyond the bounds of propriety. It's not how you talk in church. You're not supposed to talk like this. So the minute you say this and somebody laughs at it, you have them. They're in your boat. They have transgressed by laughing at your joke.

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  48. What I mean, like Shakespeare is iambic pentameter. My first love poem that was ever written to me. I saw you on your horse today, your eyes like eggs, your hair like hay. That's like scientific pentameter. It's da da da da da. It doesn't matter what it is, but you can hear it when I say it, right? That it's raining like a cow pissing on a.

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  49. You need some taller on that ass. You got you a gimlet ass. I don't even know what that is, but I knew it wasn't good. A little flat butt. Or he would say it's raining like a cow pissing on a flat rock. You can scan that, by the way. It's raining like a cow pissing on flat rock.

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  50. Well, I think growing up in Texas, it's a storytelling culture. Texas idiom is poetry as far as I'm concerned. And I had two great practitioners. I'm a seventh generation Texan on my mother's side and fifth generation of my daddy. My daddy was a great bar room storyteller. I mean, he was a labor union organizer for the oil, chemical, and atomic workers local 1242. He was just funny as a crutch and told these amazing kind of tall tales like out of Mark Twain. But he also spoke in poetry like he would say, like a woman with an ample behind, he'd say, she has butt like two bulldogs fighting in a bag. And for him, that was a compliment. There was nothing insulting about that that he used to call me. I'm a little skinny thing. He used to call me a gimlet ass. Pokey, you need to.

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