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Mary Katharine Ham

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first: 2018-10-18
most recent: 2018-10-18
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“He's a genius. Yeah. So we kind of, and again, everybody gets spun up. Every story is an 11. No story can possibly be a five out of ten. They all have to be an 11. And I think it just wears on people. And a lot of people, even frankly, even people who are supporters of the president sort of tune out at some point and pick up here and there what's going on. And I don't know what that means for society. I find that I have to take very serious breaks from it and I have my family to hang out with and separate by going to a children's museum or something. But yeah, I... I don't mean to give you zero predictions, but that strikes me as what animates the Trump era for me almost more than anything else is this sort of frantic pace of everything”
2018-10-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 278 — Mary Katharine Ham · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Think that's a given. No, I mean, and that to me is sort of the defining feeling. And look, I know that there are plenty of people who support Trump who are exhilarated by the way he tweaks people and the way he messes with people and the way that, but there is a substantial number of people in this country who are exhausted by the churn of everything. And I think part of that is the symbiotic relationship of 24-hour news cycle in Trump. There's a reason he got, what is it, $2 billion of Earned media”
2018-10-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 278 — Mary Katharine Ham · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, specifically the Senate map is very friendly. So you could look at it as a blown opportunity to pick up a bunch of seats, which is it is, although midterms are tough. So I think they'll likely be okay there, partly because I do think that people underestimate the extent to which people on the other side of the Kavanaugh issue were galvanized by how that went. Because the fact is there are diminishing returns for enthusiasm, for Democrats at this point. You can only go up so far. Whereas Republicans... Have to find parody, right? And so I think they came closer, and that'll play better in states versus these little states that came.”
2018-10-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 278 — Mary Katharine Ham · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think I don't want to be queen conventional wisdom, but I think probably Democrats will take the House. I think in the Senate Republicans will perhaps, I think they will keep the Senate, maybe even add some seats. As you know, the map was historically good for Republicans. So you could look at it as a lost opportunity, the Senate map.”
2018-10-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 278 — Mary Katharine Ham · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, no. And they want very different things. And so you get different answers. But I contend that he's never able to keep, as I say, a lid on his id for too long. He can do it for about a week and then. Real deal is going to come out”
2018-10-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 278 — Mary Katharine Ham · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So he's feeding off them, and he's giving them what they want to hear, and then he goes elsewhere and he gives them what they want to hear, which is one of the things that...”
2018-10-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 278 — Mary Katharine Ham · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, and I think also any crowd he's in, and somebody made this point, I think curbing this point from somebody, so I don't want to take full credit. When he said the thing about supporting her, he was in front of a group of reporters.”
2018-10-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 278 — Mary Katharine Ham · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Certain demographics that you would not expect Hispanic men, blue collar men, even blue-collar minority men, that you're like, wait, what is going on? He's doing almost nothing to reach these people and almost seemingly trying to push them away, and yet the numbers are not as bad as a more typical Republican, right? And I think it's sort of the blue color connection part of it. So it's a strange...”
2018-10-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 278 — Mary Katharine Ham · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yes, and it worries me, and I think it's an existential worry. Because I believe in these things, I believe that they are good for all the people. That's what I'm here for. I think that these things serve all the people. And so the idea that you would just hang up the idea of communicating with people who are different from you and who believe different things from you is sort of anathema to me, even though I know that obviously politics does some of that to some extent regardless because you have to distribute resources. That being said, he also... And sometimes I don't get it. But Trump has sometimes more appeal than a Mitt Romney.”
2018-10-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 278 — Mary Katharine Ham · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, no, no. Things like that that have just Disappeared. I don't think that's a service to the party or to the country. And I also think that despite the fact that you're getting a lot, and this is what I express to Trump supporters, and there is, I have an understanding of exactly why they made that bargain, right? I couldn't get there myself, but I do understand it. I think there's a generational gap. Many conservatives my age who are ideological and who are interested in attracting new people to the party think, okay, well, you can win this way for a little while, but how long can you win this way?”
2018-10-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 278 — Mary Katharine Ham · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, I think to some extent, yes. I mean, there is, and something that people are openly acknowledging. I think there is, you can never lose sight of the fact that, and I think fairly people looked at 2016 and thought, These are not great options, right? And that was the sort of the story of that election. And it's not as if obviously this is a much more theatrical version of it, but people have been holding their nose and voting for somebody for a long time, right? And you take what you can get. I do think that somebody who believes in like, for instance, that entitlement spending is a problem and we should work on that and like that free trade is really good for everyone, things like that”
2018-10-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 278 — Mary Katharine Ham · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's certainly an odd role to fill, but I have learned through this that part of my processing was to tell my own story and sort of take control of my own story even very shortly after Jake died, I gave a speech, like a eulogy, but it was at a memorial service and it ended up being this 20 minute speech. It's online somewhere. But where I said, you know, these are the things, this is how we're going to live our life. We're not going to be afraid. and we're not going to be just signals of sadness to everyone. I said don't let my family be a sad trombone when we walk into a room because what happened to us is very sad, but we are not sad people. And setting those goals for myself in public helped me live up to them and helped everyone else help me live up to them. And so I have been glad, so glad that that part of it has helped other people perhaps to do some of the same things in there.”
2018-10-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 278 — Mary Katharine Ham · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And since then, by the way, I have collected a group of powerful and strong and brave women who have had similar things happen to them. Because I think when you Google Pregnant Widow, you come up with me. So people reach out to me when they're in these terrible situations because not that many people have this particular thing happen to me.”
2018-10-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 278 — Mary Katharine Ham · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, even I look back on it and think, did that really happen to me? I mean, when it was happening, it felt weirdly like. Movie, like this is very, it was just so extreme all the circumstances. And now I still look back and go, gosh, that really happened to me. And then I had that baby. And now I'm doing this on my own.”
2018-10-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 278 — Mary Katharine Ham · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“My littlest daughter, and had I ever looked in those bags before I had her, I would have known what was going on. But he got her a bib and a onesie. So she has actual gifts from her dad that were meant for her.”
2018-10-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 278 — Mary Katharine Ham · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“From the gift shop there, yeah. And they were for Christmas for like all of our relatives. And I was like, this is so wonderful. You took so much work off my plate getting these super cool Christmas presents for all these people. And like very unlike him to buy something to do that early, but it was such a cool opportunity. So he brings us home. He puts them at the bottom of the stairs. They stayed there for a week, six days, and then he died. And they sat there for a long time. And people were taking care of me and somebody took them to the basement. And then it was Christmas time. And I was like, oh, I think we have Christmas presents from Jake. So I went downstairs and I got all the bags and I pulled out all the stuff. And there was a pink onesie from Camp David for...”
2018-10-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 278 — Mary Katharine Ham · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But I said, you know what, just put it in an envelope in case I want to know later, right? I told the ultrasound technician. And she forgot by the time she got to that part of it. So she didn't tell Jake to look away. And she wrote what it was. And she knew. And I looked at him and was like, Do you know? And he was like, Yep. And I was like, well, that's quite, I mean, he has a very good poker face. So he knew. He knew, and I like the idea that he probably had thoughts and dreams and maybe name ideas for her. We didn't discuss any of that because he didn't want to tell me. Was a girl. And then a weird thing, he went to Camp David with President Obama maybe the week before he died, I want to say. And he came back with three bags of presents from the...”
2018-10-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 278 — Mary Katharine Ham · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I know it's. Very strange. I almost forget sometimes because I'll refer to Jake and me and the kids, but Jake was never here when we had kids. Jake was only here when we had a kid, right? But I forget because he's obviously her father and he's part of the whole picture. Now, she also talks about him because we talk about him and we pray about him and she knows his name and she knows what he looks like and all of that. He also I had an ultrasound at like 20, 24 or 26 weeks, I think, something like that. And he died when I was 30 or 31 weeks, 32 weeks pregnant. So about six weeks in between there. And at that ultrasound, I did not want to know if it was a boy or girl. I didn't know with either kid.”
2018-10-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 278 — Mary Katharine Ham · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That's an answer to prayer, right? No, that's, I mean, I was like, thank you. And the labor was smooth. I mean, hurt like hell, but it was smooth. And she was healthy. And so that part, I was so blessed. And we're doing well now. They're with me on this trip We're getting geared up for Halloween, which was always a big thing for our family.”
2018-10-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 278 — Mary Katharine Ham · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That can be a really cool way to help people alone service or a laundry service or housekeeping or something. Because when you're in that place, you don't have the capability of doing those things. So a lot of people just helped us out so much in the early going when I was had a lot of trouble. But I think within a year after that, we were doing better than I would ever have imagined. My second child was the kindest baby that ever babied and it was so important because I think I might have gone crazy had she been a really tough baby. But she was just the sweetest newborn.”
2018-10-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 278 — Mary Katharine Ham · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“We were doing extremely well. I think we're doing better and really I should say both strangers and friends and family alike were all so incredibly supportive of us, not like with donations to help for my kids' future with ways that they help just with my family. I have a neighbor who right after Jake died just started mowing my lawn and he's never stopped. He just like and by the way, this is a good tip for people who are in a crisis situation if you want to help them. If you just step up and take something off their plate, they ain't going to be mad at you, right? Like, so people worry about stepping over bounds, but when people are in crisis, if you say to them, what can I help you with? They don't know. So one of the things, if there is something simple like that that you can take off their plate.”
2018-10-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 278 — Mary Katharine Ham · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And I'm sure there were times that I was angry, of course, going through this and like mad at mad at God and like, why would you do this to us? But it's part of my personality and whatever and my faith that I, that was not the principal feeling I had. It was more like, okay, you've done, this is what's happened. Now you got to help me. That was sort of my position with God at that moment was like, okay.”
2018-10-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 278 — Mary Katharine Ham · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Lot. It was really praying was how I Did not succumb to anxiety because when you're in that situation, I mean, I would just look down in the crib at my two-year-old and my big old pregnant belly and I would be like, I mean, this is literally horrific. This is horrific what is happening. And it would just, you know, your mind starts turning and you can't sleep. And my ticket out of that was I'm going to talk to God and I would pray. I wrote a prayer afterwards that I prayed all the time, that I still pray with my daughters a couple of verses that I would just repeat when I was feeling anxious and just sort of the hope or the knowledge whichever way you want to see it that there was a bigger plan for my life and that I had helped to get through this even if it didn't make any sense.”
2018-10-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 278 — Mary Katharine Ham · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Made myself talk about him to her, even if I wasn't explicitly explaining what was going on, but I wanted her to be able to retain any memory she had. And I didn't want to, in a toddler's life, if you stop talking about someone for a month That can go out of their head. So I made myself talk about him to her. We prayed about him. We talked to God about him just to try and. Keep whatever she had alive. And actually, she dug up in the two years after that, dug up at least two memories that I definitely did not reinforce for her that are real, that she has of him. So that's pretty cool.”
2018-10-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 278 — Mary Katharine Ham · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Luckily, I did not have to. She was young enough that. She couldn't really grasp it. She was, she had just turned two, and she was preverbal mostly. She just had a couple of words really. So it was a while of, you know, she attended the funeral, but kind of played outside on the lawn. It was, you know, it was a. She didn't really know other than that there were so many people around that she loved. So, in that way, it was very comforting for her. And he was out of town a lot. He worked out of town a lot. So there was a moment about two or three weeks in that hit me like, oh, he's not just on a business trip. And I think it did her a little bit too. And so I always talked about him.”
2018-10-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 278 — Mary Katharine Ham · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, I mean, that's the approach was simply, I'm going to put one foot in front of the other. And I made myself some rules. Think it helped to be pregnant because I had somebody, I had not only a toddler to take care of, which was important, but there were a thousand people around who could have shouldered that burden for me. Obviously, I felt responsibility for her and to keep her feeling safe. But then I had an unborn child that like, you can't mess this up, man. Like, this is a traumatic situation, but you need to eat. You need to drink. You need to take care of yourself. And so for a couple days there, I was just whatever pistachios or pecans or whatever protein I could, you know, just have to say that I ate something that day I did. I made myself get up in the morning.”
2018-10-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 278 — Mary Katharine Ham · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Who he was with, and like maybe there's just some sort of mix up, and then once I got to the house to reunite with my daughter and sort of figure out what we were going to do next, I thought, you know what, this is real. Don't, this is, you're stepping out of this car into a new way of life. Don't pretend that it's something else.”
2018-10-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 278 — Mary Katharine Ham · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Casual, you know what? You have the right to speak about it. But I think. Looking back, I think any denial that existed was that four hours in the car. That was it. I did sit in that car and think for the entire way back, maybe when I get out there, there will just be some mistake. It was a very short conversation with this law enforcement officer who I don't even know.”
2018-10-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 278 — Mary Katharine Ham · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yes, some, I don't know who it was. I assume a policeman or a trooper. It was somebody in law enforcement called to inform me. And we were in the car and we had been racing back to hopefully go to the hospital. And I just told my dad, like, well, we don't have to race. Which is sort of a brutal way to communicate that, but I was in a place. And then I spent, I think I've said looking back, it's been three years now. So if I speak about this in a way that sounds very”
2018-10-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 278 — Mary Katharine Ham · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, my parents did I was down there with my parents and my co author and best friend Guy Benson. We just happened to be. Something like this is going to happen to you that was the perfect group of people to be with.”
2018-10-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 278 — Mary Katharine Ham · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“We had one child, and I was seven months pregnant with our second. Yes, our first was two, and she was in DC, which was one of the weirder things about that Dave is that I had to drive four hours before I could reunite with her after I had. Gotten the call from a state. So you”
2018-10-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 278 — Mary Katharine Ham · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, it was a charity race. I was down in North Carolina with my family. And something went wrong and car plus bike. Found out about it down in Durham when I was on my way, or I got in the car to come back up and heard.”
2018-10-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 278 — Mary Katharine Ham · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So he passed away on a Saturday in September. He was on a charity bike ride, and I don't know the details because I've never wanted to know the details, but it was.”
2018-10-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 278 — Mary Katharine Ham · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Could do it right if he had the real thing in the house. They're live, yes, exactly. And you know, he loved He loved being married to somebody who was literally trained to debate on the fly. Maybe not the greatest feature in a spouse, but Things lively”
2018-10-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 278 — Mary Katharine Ham · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, and I mean, it was not always easy. And there were times that we had serious disagreements about policy, but we would try to put it aside and focus on other things. But we did fundamentally have agreements on how we would raise kids and what a family looked like. And so those were the important things.”
2018-10-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 278 — Mary Katharine Ham · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, I think it's unhealthy. And look, you're not obligated to date and marry somebody who you fundamentally disagree with on some really important things, right? You don't have to put yourself through that. But I do think opening yourself up to the idea that people who believe different things can enrich your life, can make you better at communicating what you communicate. It was not always easy.”
2018-10-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 278 — Mary Katharine Ham · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Our ideologies are sort of a symbol for how people view politics in this way, sort of emblematic, in that I am a libertarian conservative and he was a centrist Democrat, essentially, like a pragmatic centrist Democrat, except on a couple issues where we had our crazy town, you know, indulge your crazy on a couple things. So the world saw us as super far right and super far left. But if you actually talked to the two of us, we were really kind of hybrids that were not that far from each other in the middle. And I think that's sort of emblematic of how we view politics when in fact a lot of people are closer together than that.”
2018-10-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 278 — Mary Katharine Ham · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And so that was, I always had, you know, overlapping social circles with different ideological groups and different activist groups. And so we had friends in common and, you know, we started dating. And I think we are.”
2018-10-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 278 — Mary Katharine Ham · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Must say. We met up again on another panel a year later and started dating, but we had mutual friends, I grew up with all liberals, so I have a huge number of friends across the spectrum. I do, I do.”
2018-10-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 278 — Mary Katharine Ham · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, I know. So we met on that panel and sort of chatted but didn't really connect. In fact, I think he thought we connected and I didn't, apparently. And so we met up again a year later on a lot of experiences.”
2018-10-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 278 — Mary Katharine Ham · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“We met through friends sort of on a panel in Washington, DC. It's so DC, like a panel about media and the election in 2008. Yeah, I tell you, man, it's right.”
2018-10-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 278 — Mary Katharine Ham · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And, you know, I try to keep a sense of humor and understand that, you know, perhaps David Gergan had more experience with this than I did. But if you have chemistry with some hosts and you can act like a normal person on TV, it turns out they continue to ask you back. And, you know, if you don't crash and burn and do something super irresponsible. Yeah.”
2018-10-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 278 — Mary Katharine Ham · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But I had been interested in following politics for a long time, had a fairly good education in these things, but was conscious of the fact that I was young and I don't want to sort of overstep my bounds. In fact, I joke that the first time I was on TV one time that they called me the next day to be on Larry King Live, the day before the 2006 election, and I said, you know, I've only been on TV once, right? And they were like, So you want to do it? And I thought, I should say no. But you know what? This is Washington, D.C. And this town is built on young people doing things. They're woefully unqualified for. So I'm going to go for it.”
2018-10-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 278 — Mary Katharine Ham · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yes, I was a couple years after I got to Washington, but it was about the 2006 election that I first started doing some TV. And I was quite conscious of the fact that I was young, although I had been following politics and very into politics for a long time. In fact, read the entire Star report on the computer lab computer in my freshman year. That's hardcore.”
2018-10-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 278 — Mary Katharine Ham · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, but I just was like, let's go full ideological, right? And I was always interested, I was, I had not always, but like from a younger age than most people was interested in policy and was interested in why certain things worked and why certain things didn't. And so a think tank seemed like a good place to learn some stuff. And to, I mean, just get the lay of the land on things that I had not taken in in college or what have you. And I didn't specifically study politics or policy in college. So I thought a think tank would be a good place for that. And I ended up, you know, just sort of paying my dues and editing a journal for a bit while I was there and did pick up sort of the lay of the land on policies. And I didn't always fall where the Heritage Foundation fell on things. I'm sometimes more of a Reason magazine kind of gal. But I think.”
2018-10-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 278 — Mary Katharine Ham · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, I think that is how he operates. And as somebody who argued that he was not a great idea during the primaries, thought that for a long time, I will not concede that he's uniquely cynical in politics. That is not the case. He was more open about it, but he's not uniquely”
2018-10-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 278 — Mary Katharine Ham · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Know, I mean, Nike and Colin Kaepernick would say this is great. We're having a super productive conversation about excessive force brutality. I don't actually think that's the case. We're not having a super productive conversation about that because it's a lot of signaling on both sides instead of an actual conversation. So I'm not sure that we are, but I'm not sure it's entirely Trump's fault. It's like it's just signaling up and down on all cultural war issues. On both sides. But no, that cannot”
2018-10-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 278 — Mary Katharine Ham · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah. I mean, he has a savant-like ability to find those things, right? And as somebody who loves both football and the anthem and the flag, all these things, I'm just like, when I heard him do that, I was like, well, this is going to just spin up on both sides and sort of make this. Make this an issue and a protest issue for anyone who was enjoying both the athletes and the whole pageantry of the thing before. But yes, that's who he is. And I think people who are Trump supporters, and I think to some extent they are correct, would say, look, there's always been a culture war on the other side, and now we got a guy who fights it.”
2018-10-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 278 — Mary Katharine Ham · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, I look, I think as protests go, that's a perfectly respectful protest. I also think Can't be surprised that people associate the protest with the flag and the anthem when it's being done during the flag and the anthem. Like people are sort of surprised that people associate it with that instead of what they're actually protesting, right? And I think. It's easy for people to get those wires crossed. Yeah”
2018-10-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 278 — Mary Katharine Ham · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I just keep my mouth shut about all of this forever because I think it will probably hurt me. Or do I do sports where you don't really have to talk about it? Of course, sports coverage has changed a bit since then. Yeah, no kidding. You basically do have to talk about it, but should I do sports?”
2018-10-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 278 — Mary Katharine Ham · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source