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Mary-Ann Stephenson

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“I don't think it's going backwards. I think we are in a difficult place at the moment. I think there is attacks on the principle of equality. There are attacks on the principles of human rights. There are within social media a way in which views which were seen as very, very marginal have become to be seen as more mainstream because they are amplified by social media. I think when you actually talk to people, most people Want to live in a country where people are able to live with dignity and respect and want to be able to get on with their neighbours. And most people have a very kind of live and live attitude with the assumption that there are limits on that in order to ensure that other people can live and let live.”
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“The levels of domestic violence, the reason why the feminist movement emerged in the first place was because that was not a happy time for very many women. I'm always somebody who tries to kind of be positive and look forward and I think ultimately Better equality is better for everybody. You know, men get to spend more time with their kids than their fathers or their grandfather's generation did. That is a good thing.”
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“And that is something that, you know, so there will be pushback. I also think that there is often a tendency when things are hard economically, which they are for a lot of people, to look for different groups of people to blame. So, you know, whether that's blaming immigrants or asylum seekers or whether as you see more increasingly in the US blaming women. So the argument in parts of kind of US sort of manosphere thinking seems to be that if women weren't allowed to vote and kept out of the labour market, then all of us would be able to get wives and all of us would be able to get jobs and the world would be a better place. And obviously I profoundly disagree with that. And I also think there's a sort of fantasy built up that somehow life was better for women. It's always some period in the distant past, say the 1950s. I mean, you have to look at the numbers of women who are on anti-depressants, you know.”
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“I think, you know, this is never a fight that is over and won because inequalities between women and men don't just happen by accident. They happen because they advantage one group over another group. And so women having greater autonomy, greater choices, greater equality does disadvantage those people who've been used to being able to tell women what to do. Yes.”
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“I know. And I think you have to carry on making the case. I think there is sometimes an assumption like, okay, we made the case. Job done, Tick, move on to the next business, and actually I think it's like the importance of democracy. You have to constantly make the case for the importance of democracy. You have to constantly make the case for the importance of kind of basic democratic values and standards because you can't assume that people who grew up with a particular set of beliefs taken for granted will automatically share those beliefs. I mean, I find it interesting because, you know, I had grandparents who lived through the war, so I had stories from them about what had happened during the war, about the horrors of the Holocaust, about why we needed this framework in order to protect people, you know, why we had the UN, why we had all these other institutions. A younger generation, you know, the generation of my children didn't grow up with that firsthand experience. And so they don't necessarily”
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“If you're going to say, you know, we're no longer going to meet our legal obligations under the Equality Act, then obviously you're in breach of the law. Discussions about flags and so on are probably more political discussions that are for local councils to decide.”
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“You can't ignore the law if you're a local authority, obviously you've got to follow the law. How you follow the law may vary depending on the political complexion of the local authority.”
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“There is a difference between, for example, the Equality Act as a piece of legislation and different forms of DEI training and programmes, some of which have been really successful and important and some of which have not been so successful and have actually been counterproductive. And I think what we have to kind of think about in this area is what works. How do you actually persuade people? How do you bring about workplaces and services where everybody is treated with dignity and respect? And it's the best way to do that.”
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“Well, I think one of the things that was really good about Baroness Casey's report in this area, which was, I mean, really, really hard reading, but really significant in that she said, you know, there are issues here that we have to be able to engage with and we have to be able to talk about. There always has to be that balance between having difficult questions and having questions that may raise things that people find offensive and protecting people against violence and harassment. And I think we can find a way of doing both.”
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“It talks about anti Muslim hostility. And I think the key thing now is to think, how can we, you know, we have this definition, we have a legal framework, how can we make sure that Muslim people in this country, Muslim citizens of this country are protected against hatred and discrimination and harassment, which we know is far too widespread.”
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“There are concerns in terms of definitions and what it covers and what it doesn't cover and there needs to be protection for freedom of expression. There is now this non-statutory definition which has been produced and the government has published. And I think the key thing.”
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“We already have legislation, which is the Equality Act, which protects people on the grounds of religion and belief, and that's against kind of discrimination, it's against harassment, and it's against victimisation. So a lot of the harassment that people are talking about is covered by the Equality Act. I think the problem has been around implementation, and particularly previous governments have promised better training for the police, for example, better guidance, that hasn't happened. There is a problem of Islamophobia in this country.”
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“Well, it comes up a lot, and I do think the fact that, for example, you know, I signed letters defending people's rights to freedom of expression, that seems to me completely in line with what you would expect with someone who's chair of the Equality and Human Rights Commission. Of course, I believe in freedom of expression.”
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“They Well, I mean, I've worked across equality and human rights all my life. A lot of that time has been in the women's sector. Obviously, women are half the population, so that also involves looking at the issues for disabled women, the issues for black women, issues for Muslim women. I do have a track record in the women's sector. This has been a difficult issue in the women sector. It has meant that I have had to spend quite a lot of time thinking about it because it has come up a lot. And my position is as it has always been, which is in line with what the equality act says, which is, as I say, where it's a proportionate means of meeting a legitimate aim, there should be provision of single-sex services. That's what's needed. You also need provision for people who don't want to use those. That is about trying to find a way forward. That's not about taking sides.”
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“Political power in order to change this. This is about people would have to change the law. And I think it's one of the things that comes up in the But the law will remain the same whether or not the code becomes statutory. The law is the Equality Act and then as clarified by the Supreme Court judgment. So if people don't like that the answer for them is to lobby to change the Equality Act.”
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“I mean I can understand that, but at the same time it is very clear that A. Women do really value single sex space is it is really important to them for their dignity and safety and the law in this area is very clear so what we're you know what the code is is doing is basically setting out how you can ensure that you're properly following the law in a way that protects the rights of everybody.”
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“I mean, I think in this case, the law is very clear. I mean, the Supreme Court judgment is a model of clarity, and I would recommend anybody interested in this area to actually go ahead and read it. There is an issue here because we know that the majority of women do prefer single-sex services. I mean, there's been endless polling in this area, and particularly in situations like, you know, rape crisis centres, women's refuges, but also places where they might be changing or sleeping and might be vulnerable. At the same time, we also need to make sure that we have services available for people who can't or don't want to use the services for their sex. And the only way to get there is through dialogue. And I think one of the problems was that there was, you know, there was a closing down of discussion in this area. It was treated as too difficult to handle by a lot of people. And what that meant was kind of increasing polarization of positions.”
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“Anne and told that they weren't allowed to offer provide single sex spaces. And that was never the case because the exemptions in the Equality Act were always there in 2022. It was made clear that those exemptions didn't allow for self-ID into the category of women. So the case that came to the Supreme Court last year was about trans women with a gender and men with a gender recognition certificate.”
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“I think what happened was there was a long period where there was sustained misinformation about what the law required and allowed and people were told that it would not be lawful to do that. And that was never the case.”
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“I am sure, unfortunately, that that will happen with a small number of people. I think by and large, what we expect with this, as in most other areas of the law, is that people follow it and that we don't, you know, we don't, for example, have police officers standing out underneath every traffic light to check whether or not people stop. What you do is where there is evidence of a regular and systematic problem, you then might take action.”
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“And obviously the policing of this has to be proportionate. So it would not be proportionate, I don't think, for a train station to put somebody on guard outside toilets checking who's going in and out. That wouldn't be a proportionate response.”
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“I mean, I think, you know, one of the things about the station example, for example, is that there are unisex toilets available. Not just a walls or leave it elsewhere. Not just at Waterloo, but elsewhere.”
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“What individuals think. For the purposes of the Equality Act. One of the reasons I think why people can get themselves caught in a mess when they're asked that question is because there is a complexity. So for the purposes of the Equality Act, the Supreme Court ruled that sex is defined by biological sex and that the terms women and men are defined by biological sex. But under the gender recognition act, if you have a gender recognition certificate, you legally become for most, but not all purposes, the sex that you wish to be obviously how people treat people in their day-to-day life can be a third thing altogether. And I think, you know, very many people would want to treat people as they would want to be treated.”
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“And many don't have surgery, and they are still protected under the Equality Act. So the protection in the Equality Act is not for people with gender recognition certificates. It's for anybody who is undergoing, proposing to undergo or has undergone a process and the process isn't specified. So the proposal was both to change the way the gender recognition act work to introduce a form of self-ID, but also to remove the single sex exemptions in the Equality Act. And that obviously generated Because they rely on those provisions to be able to offer single sex services.”
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“So basically, you know, you have a human rights framework, for example, that gives the right to privacy. What does that mean in practice? Different groups will say in order to uphold my right to privacy, I need X, Y and Z. And other people might say, well, that affects my right to privacy in these ways. And that's where the conflict comes. So it's not that you can't uphold the rights of both women and trans people because I think you can. And that's what we've tried to do in our code of practice. I mean, if you look at where some of the tensions first arose, it was around proposals to both liberalize the Gender Recognition Act, which at the moment doesn't require people to have surgery, for example, but does require a diagnosis of gender dysphoria. So make it easier. Yes, to make it easier to change women or trans man. Well, no, to change your legal sex because you can be a trans woman. Most trans women and trans men don't have gender recognition certificates. They are still protected under the equality.”
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“I think one of the things that is important to say is this is not a fundamental clash between the rights of women and the rights of trans people per se. It is a clash between the rights claims of different groups.”
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“At the moment, I mean, people are hearing things on the street. I think what we have a problem with legislation around protest, which is that it is very complicated and has been developed over a number of years and in some cases I think does unreasonably restrict the right to protest. I think when we're thinking about that, we also have to think about protection against people for people against hate speech and incitement to violence. And I think how you deal with that is often quite context specific and it's often specific to the particular situation, the particular march. And so we are asking, you know, we're asking the police to make some quite difficult decisions on the day. And that's one of the things where I think we do need to look at the legislative framework. So it's clear to the police as much as everybody else so they know what they're responsible for policing.”
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“There is a complexity here, right? Because our hate speech framework has tended to be based on the perception of the person at the receiving end, the freedom of expression protections in the Human Rights Act are generally based on the idea that there's quite a high level of protection for political speech, quite rightly, and that does include speech that people find offensive and the limitations are around incitement, you know, incitement to violence, for example. And so how you negotiate that in practice is a tricky one, and it is something that we are looking at, and it's also something that Lord Macdonald is looking at at the moment with his review of the right to protest and hate speech.”
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“Hate speech Well, I think again, you know, these are issues where you have got a, you've got a conflict of rights and people have the right to freedom of expression, they have the right to protest, the right to freedom of assembly. People also have the right to live without harassment, without threats of violence and so on. So generally, our role at the EHRC is often to talk about the importance of the right to protest and the fact that that may include, or the right to freedom of expression may include the expression of views that people find offensive, but there is a limit to that. I think all too often people think, you know, there is this expression rights are not a pie. And I've never understood that because some rights are not a pie. For example, one person's marriage doesn't affect another's marriage. But the right to protest will affect other people.”
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“Against Mosley's fascists. Fascists, yes. And I think for me, you know, there's some important things there. I mean, one of the things is there is a right to protest. You have these two groups protesting. The other thing is that there are limits on those rights. And the way human rights thinking works is those limits come in when it's about protecting the rights and freedoms of others. So when you're dealing with actual fascists who are wanting to take away people's rights, there are limits on those human rights there. There are limits on the right to protest if you're inciting violence, for example.”
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“Yes, so my mother's father was at Cable Street stopping the British Union of Fascists trying to march through a predominantly Jewish area. So for those who”
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“So, yes, so the campaign for votes for women really took off 1865 was when there was a petition presented to Parliament by John Stuart Mill asking for votes for women.”
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“I do. So I was named after my great grandmother, Mary Ann Stevens, who was a suffragist and supporter of women's right to vote. I mean, obviously she died before I was born. But, you know, I grew up hearing about her, but also hearing about the struggle for the vote, not just the suffragists and the suffragettes, but the Chartists. I still bored my children with that when they were little on the way to polling stations. I always used to tell them the story of how the vote was won every single time.”
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“You're in a tribe and you stick up for your tribe. And even when you might be slightly uncomfortable about what some members of your tribe are doing, you don't criticise that publicly because that's letting the side down, but you're very, very aware of the flaws of the other side.”
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“Shutting people down or mocking them for stupidity. And I think, you know, some of what we saw was the kind of after effects, for example, of the Brexit referendum, where there was a tendency on some sides to think, well, if you voted a particular way, that's obviously because you're stupid or because you're evil because you don't care. And so people get into a habit of thinking about really kind of difficult and complicated issues as though they were very simple black and white goodies and baddies.”
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“You don't necessarily have to respect their views, but you have to assume, I think you have to, when you're dealing with a complicated and difficult issues, you have to recognize that people of goodwill can disagree, that not everybody who disagrees with you is doing so because they're ignorant, they're ill-informed, they're malign. I think that all too often when you get into these really difficult and complicated debates, you can set up a situation which is basically, if you don't absolutely agree with my position over here, that must mean you're either stupid or you're a bad actor. And that's not true. It's also tactically really stupid. No one is ever persuaded to change their mind by being told that they're stupid. I mean, all it does is make them angry. If you want to convince people, if you profoundly disagree with somebody and think they're wrong, the way to do that is through dialogue. It's not through...”
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“But the level of victory, I think, has something that has changed. And I think one of the problems has been the idea that equality or human rights legislation is a sword which can be used to attack another group, you know, to make your case. And actually it is something that protects all of us. So if, for example, you want to protect your own right to protest or to freedom of expression, you also have to recognize that the legislation that does that protects the rights of people you disagree with. And you have to respect that.”
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“I think some of these issues have always been contested. I think there's always been, you know, when I was first involved at the National Council for Civil Liberties, it was when the Criminal Justice and Public Order Bill was going through in 1994, and that was around rave culture and squatting and road protesters. And if you remember that time, there was a lot of controversy then. There was a lot of arguments.”
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“I think that is one of the issues, the role of the Equality and Human Rights Commission is to uphold and protect everyone's rights and make sure that everyone is treated without discrimination, harassment or victimization. And that's really about making sure that we can all live with dignity and respect, right? And that does mean that there are tensions because what one group wants will sometimes conflict with what another group wants. So if you are permanently on the barricades and it's very difficult to do that more kind of complex stepping back role and saying how do we balance these tensions? How do we find a way through these difficult issues?”
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“So you're doing even harder than the chance to check. I mean, I don't know if that's true. I think, you know, these jobs... Can be difficult, and there are difficult and complex situations which are not straightforward. And we are in a world increasingly which likes to reduce those issues too straightforward yes-no answers. You're with us or against us, you're a goody or a baddie. And I don't think that's the case. And so that does make it hard”
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“I think one of the important things about the EHRC is that it does have more than one mandate. So we are a regulator and it is our duty and responsibility to make sure people understand the law and the law is upheld and properly followed. And the best way to do that is often not through policing. It's often through providing guidance or working with organisations on a voluntary basis to help them improve their practice. But we are also a champion, you know, our role is to promote as well as uphold equality and human rights. And so that means making the case, explaining to people why it's important and not assuming that we live in a little bubble where everyone agrees with us, but actually going out there and showing how this makes a real difference to people's lives.”
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