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Matt Biilmann

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“Exactly. That's my point. It's kind of the same, right? Like, it's like that final thing's probably still the same. You're still gonna be just like, okay, it didn't work, but I'm gonna try again, right? I'm gonna get broken, I'm gonna try again. I'm gonna figure out how it works and you gotta just have that kind of like tenacity of like just keep going.”
2026-01-30 · a16z Podcast · “Anyone Can Code Now” - Netlify CEO Talks AI Agents · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The best people still spend the most amount of time, right? It's just the product is different in this time. And so for those of you that are interested, I do think to use these AI tools, just realize that, you know, like it has magic in that it gives you a result, but it is not magic in that you still have to put in the time and the effort to learn it. But they're great learning tools to produce great outputs. And so.”
2026-01-30 · a16z Podcast · “Anyone Can Code Now” - Netlify CEO Talks AI Agents · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Really learning fast. I do think this is a really important point to make that everybody should know. I work with many of these AI companies. And they have, whether it's in a creative domain or a code domain or a technical domain, they have users that don't come from those domains. And they still have to work hard. So it's not like labor is being removed, like it's still the best people work the hardest at it.”
2026-01-30 · a16z Podcast · “Anyone Can Code Now” - Netlify CEO Talks AI Agents · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Like, then some of them starts just going deeper, right? Like they start using clock code and cursor and play around and they go directly to Netlify and they start learning how more of the software work and they interrogate the models constantly, they don't just take Outcome for granted, right? Like they keep interrogating, why did you do that? And how did you build that and try to actually use curiosity to understand? And those people are really learning fast.”
2026-01-30 · a16z Podcast · “Anyone Can Code Now” - Netlify CEO Talks AI Agents · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“He has just really learned a skill set, right? Like it's not, I could not go Alamed. I can't go prompt to make that event pitch. But he's really built that skill set and he's just built it by being like really curious and then looking at all the things he likes, right? Like he has like a side I think is really cool. Has that pattern I'm gonna tell bold like look at this site and make replicate this pattern and then combine it with this other pattern, right? Like and I think a lot of the people that start now starts with that kind of sort of remixing right like and just like how can I just like remix something and then the people”
2026-01-30 · a16z Podcast · “Anyone Can Code Now” - Netlify CEO Talks AI Agents · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And they ended their way now, but the page is probably still at netlify.com deploy, right? And I think it's like a really like, I think it's like it was a very high performing event page for us. It's actually one of the highest performing.”
2026-01-30 · a16z Podcast · “Anyone Can Code Now” - Netlify CEO Talks AI Agents · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Technical background or anything, but he had been like super active in the Bolt community, and he's just become really good at prompting Bolt, right? Like, and he was tweeting at me with like a redesign of Netlify he made in Bolt. And it was like really cool. Wow. Let's just ask him to make the event page.”
2026-01-30 · a16z Podcast · “Anyone Can Code Now” - Netlify CEO Talks AI Agents · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, yeah. I mean, so I run Kelly. I think. It's harder for me to guide that journey than someone from that space, right? But people I see going on that journey, right? Like I see them start with tools like Bold or Reblet or whatever. And then I see them jump very quickly from new, right? Yeah, yeah. We have like, for example, we just had the way. I love it. I love it, right? And we just had this launch event where one of our challenges, like silly challenge, right? But we wanted an event and all of our team was building the product. So it was like, who's going to build?”
2026-01-30 · a16z Podcast · “Anyone Can Code Now” - Netlify CEO Talks AI Agents · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, one of the consistent things in this conversation we've had is the system should not be the developer for you. Like the user Know sisabila should be the developers, but now that's not just the subset of professional developers, it can be anyone. So maybe let's just end on this. For those that are listening to this who are not professional developers that want to enter this, what would you recommend?”
2026-01-30 · a16z Podcast · “Anyone Can Code Now” - Netlify CEO Talks AI Agents · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And you need to sort of like out of that step have just a really clear idea of what is the flow that really matters, what is the part of this software I really care about, and then what is the part that fill in the blanks?”
2026-01-30 · a16z Podcast · “Anyone Can Code Now” - Netlify CEO Talks AI Agents · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Kind of Orian used to do that, right? Like, now you can just do it in a closed loop with an agent that don't actually get angry at you. And you're like, no, change it to my later. There's definitely something to it, right? Like that you have to work at that level of like, it's not exact, right? But you have to be really good at articulating what is it that matters, right? Like, and what is it you actually care about and what is it that the agent can just make up? Because like, that's fine, as long as it works, right? It feels very different. Then, like, it's a very different feel than the traditional sort of part of really centering yourself, like figuring out exactly in your head, like how should this software be put together and so on.”
2026-01-30 · a16z Podcast · “Anyone Can Code Now” - Netlify CEO Talks AI Agents · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Maybe that's why all founder CEOs is now programming with agents because we've already gone through that in a way. And you ask them to do this thing. And they come back with a thing that's pretty cool, but it's like, I would have thought like, why didn't you do it that way? I love that scene. You're almost”
2026-01-30 · a16z Podcast · “Anyone Can Code Now” - Netlify CEO Talks AI Agents · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“A do you have the same experience of like you kind of have to let go? And then B, do you think this is just something because we've been developing and like that will just not be an issue as a new set of developers shows up?”
2026-01-30 · a16z Podcast · “Anyone Can Code Now” - Netlify CEO Talks AI Agents · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“This is an aside. But I wonder if you have the same experience that I do, which is I find that using AI as someone who's been developing for a long time is like. Exercise and abdicating opinion. These models do dazzling things, but it's not always the dazzling thing that I would expect it to be, right? It's almost like I've got to like let go of expectations because I can articulate I want this and it'll do that, but I would have done it quite differently. And so.”
2026-01-30 · a16z Podcast · “Anyone Can Code Now” - Netlify CEO Talks AI Agents · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Be successful if you're willing to learn how to develop software in a world where these agents are able to multiply your abilities, to write code, to do all kinds of stuff, but still have to take the direction from someone, right? And I think That's what sort of underpins our whole approach to this and our whole philosophy this idea that we are like helping billions of people become developers and take part in this practice of building software and not that it's like everybody's just a consumer now right”
2026-01-30 · a16z Podcast · “Anyone Can Code Now” - Netlify CEO Talks AI Agents · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Like whether it's through our existing developer base or whether it's to all of these new people that come in and start this journey, right? Like it's really like, okay, if you want to go on this journey, you're now a developer and you have to learn things and you have to understand what happened, like how software is built, right? Like code is like a little part of it, right? Like, but if you want to like talk to a database, you have to like Just like some element of what's happening in the world. And you have to know that to be able to collaborate with these AI agents. And it's not like You're not going to get success if your expectation is that you just go prompt them, build me XYZ app, and they will do perfect, right? Like you're going to.”
2026-01-30 · a16z Podcast · “Anyone Can Code Now” - Netlify CEO Talks AI Agents · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, no, I think it's real life. And I think there's two really different mindsets on it, right? Like there is that mindset of building tools that claim to be like, we are now your developer. And you don't need developers anymore because AI is your developer. And you outsource it. Our approach has really been like you on our developer.”
2026-01-30 · a16z Podcast · “Anyone Can Code Now” - Netlify CEO Talks AI Agents · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Is that there's two types of approach here? So, some of the tools that I use is like they kind of do the work for me, which. Maybe as an old developer, I don't quite like because I like to have the creativity. I like to be very involved. And one thing that I actually really appreciated philosophically about kind of what Netlify is doing. And I'd just love to your thoughts about this. I get to use whatever tools I want and like I get to be the developer and like how do you view this as it plays out? Like is this actually a philosophical distinction that's real or am I making that up?”
2026-01-30 · a16z Podcast · “Anyone Can Code Now” - Netlify CEO Talks AI Agents · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think it's so remarkable the affinity between users and their, to your point, like their AIs. And it's not just memory. Like a lot of people is like, well, you have the chat history of memory. It's not that. Did you see the outcry in the move from GPT-4 to 5? Yeah. They're like, ah, yeah, for it was so much better. Then it turns out that just meant it was more friendly. Yeah. Yeah. You just got used to this. I think it's pretty clear that there's going to be a pretty serious attachment to it. And they're going to want to actually filter the web through that. You know, something that occurs to me.”
2026-01-30 · a16z Podcast · “Anyone Can Code Now” - Netlify CEO Talks AI Agents · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Like seeing what's happening, like that whole concept of being able to build something and put it in a URL, and everybody can use it and interact with it and can be collaborative and so on. I think that's still such a strong underpinning of the web that now that everybody can build more of it, like we also just at the same time like we're going to see less of like the traditional bank website, but we're going to see much more like Interesting stuff”
2026-01-30 · a16z Podcast · “Anyone Can Code Now” - Netlify CEO Talks AI Agents · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Precisely because I don't think you like, I think you will already now see people have history with their chat GPT or cloud and they really have a preference, right? And they don't want to go to like the banks AI and talk to that, right? They just want to interact in that way. So I think a lot of that will be really driven by like. Agents you're in touch with. Then I think At the same time, I think the application layer is going to be a whole new part of the web, right? Like where a lot of interaction and like”
2026-01-30 · a16z Podcast · “Anyone Can Code Now” - Netlify CEO Talks AI Agents · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think the consumption layer is definitely going to include AI and a lot of things are going to happen inside agents that people even have, I think people will also, that's another reason I think AX is important versus like. A company that thinks they will build, like you'll go to their website and they will build. But probably the”
2026-01-30 · a16z Podcast · “Anyone Can Code Now” - Netlify CEO Talks AI Agents · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Bank website, or is it going to come through this Which also kind of begs the question is You know, like the web was never super conversational based. It was more UI based. And so does that shift? Is the consumption layer going to include AI going forward?”
2026-01-30 · a16z Podcast · “Anyone Can Code Now” - Netlify CEO Talks AI Agents · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Listen, I think about this all the time, which it feels like the consumption layer is changing, right? So, like my son loves to chat with AI friends. And when my son's 15, when my son becomes 18 to get a bank account. Is he going to go to some shitty? Yeah, yeah.”
2026-01-30 · a16z Podcast · “Anyone Can Code Now” - Netlify CEO Talks AI Agents · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That's made it really challenging to build very visual or UI driven experience and so on are going to be solved. Like, for example, all of the accessibility constraints, right? What would you prefer trying to access my e commerce through a screen reader or just through chat GPT and voice mode, right?”
2026-01-30 · a16z Podcast · “Anyone Can Code Now” - Netlify CEO Talks AI Agents · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Software building a lot, right? Like, because everything is so code centric right now, like things like GitHub and pull requests and so on, right? Like all of that, I think, is going to evolve to a level of abstraction where it's much more about understanding the outcome of what the agents do and the iteration with those agents and introspecting and so on. I think browsers will evolve really dramatically from this and we'll have much more like that originally concept of a user agent on the web is getting real, right? We're going to have like all of these different ways of consuming the web where some looks somewhat like the browser now and some really doesn't. A lot of things that held us like”
2026-01-30 · a16z Podcast · “Anyone Can Code Now” - Netlify CEO Talks AI Agents · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think everybody, like, I don't think anybody can right now, right? Like, I think we're definitely in this wild space where what's clear is that everything is changing so fast. Perhaps I believe in, right? The trends I believe in and things I think will definitely happen, right? And as I said, like I think. I do think we are going to this world where software is much more of a thing that's not built by this small, relatively speaking, really small part of humanity for all the rest of humanity and where software is something much more malleable and everybody can like sort of like. Do stuff on, and I think that also means that code, as we know it today, is going to be much more of a niche thing. That's not really very involved in the daily process of software, which will change the infrastructure around.”
2026-01-30 · a16z Podcast · “Anyone Can Code Now” - Netlify CEO Talks AI Agents · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The CGO of Hops Right, he's really geared hopspot towards like we need to just be really great for these agents to work with, right? And that's going to be the interface to much of our data and automation and everything like that, right? Like, and you're starting to see, I think now with like Captivity shopping like integration, you'll start seeing everybody in the e commerce space be like, okay, how do we really deal with this and so on, right? Like, so I think it's also become a really tangible industry.”
2026-01-30 · a16z Podcast · “Anyone Can Code Now” - Netlify CEO Talks AI Agents · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Actually, a dramatic incre We've also seen after that so many companies start focusing on EX, right? And as I said, especially the developer tool space, right? Like where I think everybody has just seen, okay, we have to go in this direction, right? Like Bessemer had the updated version of like the developer tool laws and the first one was AX, right? Like with like recent is like an example and there's so many like from Super Base to like Neon like everybody is like super focused on like we got to work with these agents so we don't really matter right like but then also in spaces like”
2026-01-30 · a16z Podcast · “Anyone Can Code Now” - Netlify CEO Talks AI Agents · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Just like with writing, there's still professional writers, but like all of us also have to know how to write as part of our job. Development will become like that, right? Like there'll be a level of it that you're just expected. To be able to do in lots of different jobs. And then there'll still be some expert developers that are like only doing that, but it'll be the minority, I think.”
2026-01-30 · a16z Podcast · “Anyone Can Code Now” - Netlify CEO Talks AI Agents · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Everybody just kind of shifted over that. And I think it would be the same again, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everybody has to take that next leap, but it will be much, much bigger pool. And it'll probably also be a different shift where like Today, you are kind of like either a developer or not to some degree, right? Like, of course, there's mixtures. There's some VCs that develop software. In general, right? Like people that are like developers hired with the title developer. And that's what they do, right? And I think that's the other shift that I think software development will just be a skill.”
2026-01-30 · a16z Podcast · “Anyone Can Code Now” - Netlify CEO Talks AI Agents · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Now look at it now. It's like everything, right? Everything is built using everything is built using on it, right? And these front end developers are obviously. It's like no pristine code, right? And that's just like the same moment I think we are with the schism where there's still this notion of like, oh, this vibe quotas, they'll still need a real developer to and we will give them the tools and we will just see like this massive but I will”
2026-01-30 · a16z Podcast · “Anyone Can Code Now” - Netlify CEO Talks AI Agents · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Best for static sides. Maybe you'll see a little bit of dynamic. You can use it for static websites. And then now look at it now. Everything, right? Everything is built using everything is built using on.”
2026-01-30 · a16z Podcast · “Anyone Can Code Now” - Netlify CEO Talks AI Agents · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So I started working on it in like 2013, right? Like, and then we launched out of private beta in March 2015. And back then, a front end developers was like, they were seen as like a pseudo developer, right? Like it was like someone that took a Photoshop file. Sliced it up and then handed it to a real developer that would implement it into something working, right? Like that was a front end developer. And part of like the mission back then was like, hey, if we give them like the right tool chain, these front-end developers will go crazy and they will just build the whole thing. If we just separate all that back and stuff for them and like that was like the Jamstack idea, right?”
2026-01-30 · a16z Podcast · “Anyone Can Code Now” - Netlify CEO Talks AI Agents · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Such a constraint on that part, right? Like, and to me, When that constraint goes away Weird, it's gonna have a lot, like unimaginable amount of more software, right? Like, yeah, maybe Soviet will be bad, but there'll also be a lot more.”
2026-01-30 · a16z Podcast · “Anyone Can Code Now” - Netlify CEO Talks AI Agents · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Like for so long, we've taken for granted that Again, if you're sort of really generous, go beyond JavaScript and so on, right? Like, let's say, what would you say like 100 million professional developers in the world, maybe even less?”
2026-01-30 · a16z Podcast · “Anyone Can Code Now” - Netlify CEO Talks AI Agents · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Last five years. And now there's always something new. And it's like, yeah, yeah. I think it's totally true. I mean, I also see it as just a general moment of like people building way more stuff than they did before, right? And I still see and way more people building, right? And that's again back to that idea of like it becomes more accessible to be a developer. We open up.”
2026-01-30 · a16z Podcast · “Anyone Can Code Now” - Netlify CEO Talks AI Agents · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I will say, I personally have visited more new websites. In the last six months, and probably the five years prior, just because there's so much more cool stuff, like kind of reduced everything to like a handful of sites that I check every morning in the last five years. And now there's always something new. And it's like.”
2026-01-30 · a16z Podcast · “Anyone Can Code Now” - Netlify CEO Talks AI Agents · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But there's also just way more people having fun building tracy stuff. And there's a lot of that out there now. And there's people building like really cool WebGL games and so on that they could like never manage to build before. And like there's so much going on that I think that theory just under like there's so many of these theories. I think that just underestimates like humans and capacity.”
2026-01-30 · a16z Podcast · “Anyone Can Code Now” - Netlify CEO Talks AI Agents · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I get it. I get it, but I really don't believe in it. And I don't see it. I see the opposite happening now, right? Like in some, everything is happening at the same time, right? Like, so you have a lot of slop generated that other agents consume and you have lots of LinkedIn that's just like Cativity and so on, right? And probably people are asking Cativity to summarize it from it and so on.”
2026-01-30 · a16z Podcast · “Anyone Can Code Now” - Netlify CEO Talks AI Agents · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You don't have that time, right? And I mean, it was just, you know, so I kind of work on these home projects and I was actually using the cursor CLI and I was at dinner. I was curious. It's like a VC at a dinner checking how my coding agents are doing.”
2026-01-30 · a16z Podcast · “Anyone Can Code Now” - Netlify CEO Talks AI Agents · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Changing that whole mentality to just like work through the context engineering and the prompts and like the systems thinking and like guiding this model, it's pretty remarkable what you can get it to do. And there's definitely some cases where So it's funny, there are some cases where I've built something where realistically, if I had the time to just sit time with a code editor in a uninterrupted stretch and write the code, I would have written it faster. And probably better. But as a CEO, I definitely don't have that time. And in this case, I could still build it. But just by spinning off this async run, checking on in between meetings, like where did it go? What did it do? Let me give it some feedback and do another iteration and so on, right? Like, so suddenly you can work in that way. And it's a lot of fun.”
2026-01-30 · a16z Podcast · “Anyone Can Code Now” - Netlify CEO Talks AI Agents · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I mean, okay, when I do PRs to our actual code basis, I do go and look at the code because I've learned the hard way that otherwise the team does and they shout at me. So now I go and look at the code first and tell plot code to fix it before I open the pull request, right? A lot of that has like we launched this new agent runner product and a lot of that has like informed it because I wanted to make sure that you could actually do the whole like cycle of iteration before you open a pull request versus like the GitHub integrations where you ask.”
2026-01-30 · a16z Podcast · “Anyone Can Code Now” - Netlify CEO Talks AI Agents · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I sort of started saying, like, I want to make it my mission to become an equally good developer without. Writing any code myself. And ideally, without looking at gold, you still need to do that, right? But I kind of started to make it my mission. And in the beginning, Was very frustrating. And now I think it's really fun. And now I do a lot of pull requests that are probably annoyed.”
2026-01-30 · a16z Podcast · “Anyone Can Code Now” - Netlify CEO Talks AI Agents · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's really fun. Are you coding? I'm like, so I kind of made it around the same time I wrote the AX article. A little before that, I kind of started making it my personal mission that I want to learn how to be a really good developer again. I always say I'm a pretty strong developer, right? Of course, of course. Back in the front in everything, right? Like for the first version, everything from the C++ to the CSS.”
2026-01-30 · a16z Podcast · “Anyone Can Code Now” - Netlify CEO Talks AI Agents · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“More senior developers, right? Like, I think, especially when the deeper you go in the stack, the more you need to really be like kind of an architect, right? Like to get these kind of agents to do the right stuff, right? Like, and then the higher up you go in the stack, the more you can now be like, just jump in and do it without any development background.”
2026-01-30 · a16z Podcast · “Anyone Can Code Now” - Netlify CEO Talks AI Agents · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But I think the fact that, like, It's so much cheaper to write automations changes that you start building a lot of automations and potentially you start building a lot of apps and automations instead of like Buying a lot of software”
2026-01-30 · a16z Podcast · “Anyone Can Code Now” - Netlify CEO Talks AI Agents · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Feature from philosophy? Yeah, yeah, yeah. We can see year, yeah, like when people get. It starts really increasing the velocity with which you can build stuff. And also, it increases the capacity of like a really strong engineer to both go do some really hard focused work. Just spin off a bunch of the easy stuff along the way and get it done, right? But what I was saying there is that I still think we are more in the line of using that To build programs that do stuff when it's like automations.”
2026-01-30 · a16z Podcast · “Anyone Can Code Now” - Netlify CEO Talks AI Agents · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think in the end, in a lot of those. I mean, obviously, the kind of agent we're like the highest, highest, highest adopter of is the coding agents as well, right? We're even something like agent runners, we build, like we're now building a lot of the product with those agents, right?”
2026-01-30 · a16z Podcast · “Anyone Can Code Now” - Netlify CEO Talks AI Agents · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yes, right. I mean, for me, I'm just very interested in right now today, not science fiction, like where do agents apply, right? Clearly, they're a great productivity tool. Clearly, they can do longer running tests. Clearly, like, there's basic stuff that they're pretty good at. Like, for example, if I'm like,”
2026-01-30 · a16z Podcast · “Anyone Can Code Now” - Netlify CEO Talks AI Agents · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source