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  1. “Thank you. And I did nice She didn't want to date me in the halfway house, too. I kept saying, I feel like you're sweet on me. She's like, I'm not I'm not. I make fun of guys like you. You're a city boy. I'm like, I don't know. I feel like.”

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  2. “Former, she used to, so she was a military, an MP in the military. She hunted, she ran a Hog hunting tour guide service for six years. Went to prison for five years, got out. And then, you know, now she's a marine mechanic. And yeah, our date night the other night was we went in the middle of the night, went to Lake Okeechobee and went to alligator hunting.”

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  3. “You know what I met my wife in the halfway house. So she had just gotten out of prison. She was in the halfway house with me. She just did five years for a meth conspiracy. I never would have met her finding going to prison.”

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  4. “If I'm in a position that anybody would listen to me. But to me, and I don't have any advice, I don't think a father would give you. And it's like, work hard, be appreciative. I mean, things are so good out here. I hear people complain all the time. And I think a huge part of just being happy is being appreciative. Like I didn't appreciate anything when I had, this is so cliche, but when I had all the money in the world. I was miserable But when I got out with nothing, I was happier in prison with nothing than I was with two or three million dollars prior to prison and driving dating a chick, I was never should have been Dayton, driving a sports car, vacationing all over the world, miserable. I'm crying, driving away from prison because I already miss my friends. You could have never told me that was going to happen.”

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  5. “And I think he's drawn a line in the sand, and he's decided that. This is the hill I'm gonna die on, and I'm not gonna back off it. And the thing is, my ex-wife tells him he's a good person. You should be in his life. His father, because he was adopted when I was in prison, they adopted him, Nick is his, you know, his dad. Nick has told him. Nick came to see me when I was in prison. You know, Nick has told him like, hey, this is a mistake. You're making a mistake. Nick, everybody that knows me knows him. And he said, he has said no. So I fully believe it's no. I mean, I hope it's not.”

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  6. “Unfortunately, according to my ex-wife, And my sister and everybody that he is a part of their lives. And I've seen them. You know, my mother's funeral. I saw him. I've seen him at several functions. You look across and he... Right through I think that everybody says he's just like you. He's just like you. And everybody says I'm just like my dad. I've never smoked a cigarette. I've never drank alcohol. Not a drop. Never done any drugs Because my dad was an alcoholic. And my dad smoked two packs a day and everything in our house reeked of nicotine. And I've never smoked. And my dad was a pill head. He was always on some kind of prescription medication. He was drawing, you know, and I don't want to be that person. And like one day I drew a line in the sand and I wouldn't do it.”

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  7. “I get it. Like, I, you know, and I tried to, I tried to, I've tried to do all the right things. I wrote the letters. I drew him pictures. I've tried to call. And it's not happening. I would do anything to go back and just be that regular middle class guy with the two kids and the wife working a regular job. You know, I like that's a good life. You know, those are a good person. And I. I just made one arrogant decision after another, after another until it snowballed and I couldn't take it back. And then I did everything I could. And if I wasn't. The calculating Backstabbing, scumbag motherfucker that I can be, I'd be in prison right now. So, yeah, yeah, I would much rather be a CPA right now. I would much rather should have stuck with being an insurance adjuster or something. I mean, you know”

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  8. “I'd scrap all this, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'd scrap all this to be, you always hear these guys say, I wouldn't change it because it made me the man I am today or the man I am today is a fucking 54 year old scumbag, multiple felons starting my life over broke, you know. Living off a scraps, you know, trying to make YouTube work. Like, you know, I've got Know two dead parents. I'm divorced. I have a son that doesn't talk to me. I have a son that doesn't talk to me. For good reason, not because of a misunderstanding. Because he understands. Like, you can't even argue with him. He's got a powerful argument. Like, I don't want to be a part of this guy's life. He's a scumbag. He stole money. He went on the run. He abandoned me when I was three. I don't want anything to do with”

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  9. “You know, I don't think about all the things I did to get out. Like I know, you know, there's all these guys that are, you know, like, you know, oh, I wouldn't have done that. I'd have been a stand-up guy. And I'd have been, well, good for fucking you, bro. I wanted to get out. I wanted out. Icing on the cake of me getting out? And I would have cut every motherfucker's head in that prison off I was able to get out. Just in time to spend Year and a half of my mother's life with her. I saw her two or three times. Week, took her to dinner once a week Able to go on walks with her in her wheelchair. I was sitting right next to her when she had her final stroke. Held her hand. When she took her last breath, So, if I have to be called a snitch the rest of my life, I don't give a fuck. I may not deserve more, but she deserved more.”

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  10. “My mom. My mom saw me. My mom's funny because my mom came to see me My mom's a gang My mom came to see me every two weeks for 13 years. She missed about a month and a half when she had a stroke. Ended up in a wheelchair. And then she came in the wheelchair, and she would make my brother bring her. Brother and sister would be like, Mom, are you sure you want to go? It's so hard to, it's such a long drive and you get so tired. Well, I'll sleep in the car. I know, but Daniel, we have to wait in that waiting area forever. And it takes forever. Well, I'm in the wheelchair, so I'm fine. Well, I know, but it's such a pain to get in and out and then in and out. And she's like, I'm going to see my son, and you're taking me. Yeah, so I. So she was something else. And I would say, you know. If I had to say”

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  11. “He said, I remember, he said, because it's the only time I can ever remember him saying he was proud of me. You're going to figure this out. He said, I'm not proud of where you ended up But you've done an amazing things. I wish you'd use your talents for something different, but you've done things that I could have never done. You've read an amazing adventurous life, and I'm proud of you.”

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  12. “Just about the situation, and I was like, Yeah, and he's like, Well, what are you going to do? And I was like, you know, there's nothing I can do. Like, everybody I've called multiple attorneys. I've talked to people. There's nothing I can do. And he was like, You're going to figure it out. He said, You're clever. You're smart And you're not going to do all of that time. And I was like, I'm done. It's over I'm going to get out of here when I'm 60 if I behave myself and if I don't, I'll be sixty four. And he was like, that's not going to happen. And, uh, So he said, I think that was the first time he, you know, I knew he was proud of me when I was making money, but he never said it. You know, you got the look like he was like impressed. We were sitting there”

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  13. “So after I got the 26 years and the government decided they weren't going to indict anybody. And I really was like, wow, this is it. Like, you're done. He came to see me, but just by himself. And I remember Remember when he came to see me. It was by himself. He never came by himself. So I remember thinking something happened to my mom. And as soon as I walked in, he walked in, I go, I go, where's mom? And he goes, she's fine. She's fine. And he sat down with me and he said, uh. And he said, How are you doing? I was like, I'm good. And he was just like You know, he was getting sick. He was getting older. You know, we talked for a little bit.”

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  14. “Then I did soft white underbelly. Then I did Vlad. Then I did, like people started, and I'm sorry. And then, you know, it just blew up. And then people started asking me to come and, you know, talk for no reason, which was crazy. But you were saying, I'm sorry.”

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  15. “By the time I got, I couldn't do Danny's podcast. I was like, I can't do it, bro. I'm in the halfway house. So maybe. Get out of the halfway house and a couple months go by. It's maybe two months, three months go by. And one day I get a phone call from Danny. He's like, bro, you're out of the halfway house, right? And I was like, because I told him I got out in July, it was like October, November. I'm like, right. He's like, listen, I had a guest fall through. I got nobody. I need you to come on. I answered all your questions. You know, I'd call them. Six times, you know, I said, and I was like Was like, I'll do it. That video got like a 2 million views. Then I did Patrick Bet”

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  16. “Anyway, he said, What's going on? I said, Well, and I tell him what's going on. I want to start a podcast, blah, blah, blah. And, you know, Danny, he listens to me for 30 minutes to an hour, and I've heard this and this. And he's like, yeah, right. YouTube's not really like that. And that's not really how we do it. I don't know that you're going to have to get a production company and blah, blah, blah. He goes, but you know what? What you really need to do is to see if people are even interested in you or your story or you're able to talk. You should come on my show. You know, shameless. Trying to get some content.”

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  17. “A good one. That was really good. I mean, that was well written. He's like, I immediately knew I had to talk to you. And I said, okay. I said, because, you know, I start off with, I think I started off with, hey, my name's Matt Cox and I'm a con man. Was recently released from federal prison, and so he was like, Oh, yeah, I mean, who says that?”

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  18. “And he says, Yeah, I got your email, bro. He says, That's a good fucking email. And I was like, what? He goes, I get a lot of emails, bro. He said, that's.”

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  19. “Cold case files, you know, that kind of stuff. And I think that's what I want to do. Well, my buddy Treon says there's a guy named Danny Jones. That runs a podcast called Concrete. And it's in St. Petersburg. And he lives a couple miles from me. I see him all the time. And I went, Okay. And he said, you should email him. He's got a guy on there all the time that does real estate. And I go, I just got out of prison for bank fraud related to real estate. He doesn't want to interview me. He goes, well, you could, maybe he does. Maybe you could ask him about starting a podcast. So I send them an email. I remember Danny called me and he said, hey, is this Mac Host? I was like, yeah, this is Matt. He's like, I got your email. This is Danny Jones. And I was like, okay.”

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  20. “Like, yeah, yeah, uh, did you read cash and Coke? And they're like, is that the one with the guys or robbing the drug dealer? Yeah, no, no, I read that one. Did you read this one? No, no, I haven't read that. That's the one with a guy. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, I mean, so I'm giving these little stories and then they come back and give them to me. You don't have, you don't have anything in there, right? So this is guys that would never read in their life or reading. And I'm writing about. The guy in B2, the guy in C1. So Put up the whole thing, and well, anyway, they're all telling me do a true crime podcast, true crime podcast. I don't really know what that is, but by now I'm starting to listen to them on YouTube, serial.”

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  21. “The whole time I wanted to start, because everybody, the last one, I was just getting out of prison, everybody kept telling me, like, bro, you got to start a podcast. You got to start True Crime Podcast. And I don't know what a podcast is. The term podcast came into existence in 2009 when I'd been locked up three years. I'd never been on YouTube. So by the time I get out The last year or two, guys are coming up to me giving me magazines like this is what a pod you need to read. Look, True Crime's huge. And you have to think guys are asking me every couple of days, Cox, you got any stories?”

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  22. “Every day I walk across the compound. People stop me and say, how's Cox doing? And I say, oh, he's okay. And they say, does he need anything? And I say, no, no, he's good. He said, I'm going to start telling these fuckers, yeah. Yeah, he needs something. You want to do something for him? Here's what he needs. Ended up getting two laptops sent to Got the computer program. Final Cut Pro I had guys in prison. Cutting me checks so that I could build a website and put all these stories on the website. So I start putting the website. I don't know what I'm doing. I put them on the website slowly. It takes forever. I'm putting pictures up. I'm trying to figure out how. Photoshop works, how all this stuff.”

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  23. “Like, I don't, I said, I could probably get a used Apple MacBook, like a five year old MacBook or something. I don't know for $350, whatever. And I said, but he was like, okay, so that's all you need $300. I go, no, no, no, no. I said, it's not $300, bro. It's $300 plus it's getting a WordPress website, which I said cost money. Plus it's hiring somebody to help me figure it out because I'm. I don't know how anything works. And I said, plus, I need this. Plus, I need this. I mean, I got a bunch of stuff. Need $600 for this. I need $300 for this. I need $500 for this. I need $1,000 for this. And he goes, okay. He said, I'll get you. Okay, I got it. So he reads off a list. He goes, I got you. The P doesn't have any money. And I go, how are you going to give me any money? He goes”

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  24. “I'm at the gym, and I got free reign. So I'm playing on my computer, goofing off all day. And my buddy Pete, who's still locked up, he's texting me and calling me and he's like, not texting me. He's emailing me through the CoreLink system. And he calls me periodically. He's like, have you started a website? Because one of the things I was going to do when I got out was I was going to start a website with all these stories that I'd written. And I was like, no, Pete, I don't, I can't. I don't have a computer. He's like, well, how much does a computer? I was like, I don't know. They're like 300 bucks.”

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  25. “Stayed in the halfway house, and I. Called the buddy of mine named Treon Calta. And he owns a gym. And I grew up with him. His whole family, they owned a bunch of gyms. And I called him. And I said, hey, man, I'm in the halfway house. And he was like, hey, what's going on? He said, can I do anything for you? And I was like, I mean, I need a job. I didn't think he was going to give me a job. He was, bro, you're hired. I'll give you a job. He said, I kept minimum wage. I said, that's fine. If I can stay out of here, you can work like 80 hours a week. I was like, if I can just stay out of here 80 hours and you pay me minimum wage. He goes, oh, hell yeah, perfect.”

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  26. “I think you're going to need to buy clothes. I think that's it. I said, it's at the Goodwill. They'll give you a bunch. They give you a bunch of crap if you don't have anything, if you're indigent. And I said, I'm indigent. And a couple days before. I'm leaving $400 ends up on my account. Was like, what the fuck? And it was from a buddy of mine. And I go to him, my buddy, Tommy, and I was like, Tommy, I go, did you put $400 on my account? Said, I can't let you go with nothing, bro. So Get to the halfway house and I go to Walmart and I buy $300 worth of clothes at Walmart. I've never been in a Walmart. Go to Super Bowl, you're huge, and I go there and I buy a bunch of clothes and I buy about 300 bucks worth of clothes and I still have some of the blue jeans. To this day, I still wear some of the blue jeans.”

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  27. “Said, like, and they charge you every time you swipe, you use the card. Like, I don't even have enough to spend the 18 cents because the charge is like $3. So I was like, I was like, yeah, yeah. I was like, I wonder if they're still giving me my debit card. And I'm laughing. Everybody's like, what are you going to eat? What are you this? What are that? My one buddy looked at me like, Can't go to the halfway house with nothing, bro. And I was like, no, it's cool. I said, no, it's cool. You know, I said, no, it's cool. I said, I want to start at the bottom. I've got that coming. I got working at McDonald's coming. So I'm going to work at McDonald's. I don't give a fuck. And it was like”

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  28. “I remember looking back at the prison and my brother said, I'll bet you're glad to see that to leave that behind you. And I started crying. And like nobody talked. I was so uncomfortable. I started crying. And it wasn't because I was like, oh, it's over. It was because it was like survivor's guilt. You know, like I was leaving all of my friends. I felt so bad that I was leaving them. But I went to the halfway house and I had four. So when I was getting out, I remember joking that I had exhausted my trulinks account, my inmate account. I had exhausted it. I had nothing. I had like 18 cents. I couldn't even figure out how to spend it. And they give you a debit card when you leave.”

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  29. “This is bad, bro. This is bad. Remember when I was leaving the prison? So, you know, I met some great guys in prison, which is a weird thing to say. But I've met better, I met better people in prison than I'd ever met outside prison at that low. Because it was the first time I actually had friends. I really had someone that wanted to hang out with me just like I didn't have anything to offer them. I can't make you any money. I can't do anything for you. We just hang out because we like to laugh or we have things in common or we're fascinated by each other or we just have good time and fun. So when I was leaving, I remember my mom showed up and my brother showed up and they picked me up. And we were driving off.”

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  30. “Well, I think he was willing to badger them into doing what they should have done to begin with. I actually wrote a book about it, which he loved. About him and his story. It's so over the top what happened with him. I mean, little, it tried to take over the Congo. I mean, there's a documentary about it. It's called Nine Days in the Congo. It's an insane story. That's one of those stories that's just like, how is this not a movie?”

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  31. “Walk people right out, 10 years off, five years off, nine years off, 10 years. I mean, it's, I didn't pay, and I didn't pay for one thing. I didn't pay for my stamps. He paid for everything.”

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  32. “He got himself out. He didn't do all that time. He got himself out. I don't even know how he did. They even threw him back in prison again for six months and he got himself out again. He's insane. He's incredible. He's insane, but he's incredible.”

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  33. “Like, I could never repay him, bro. I shouldn't be here Supposed to be in prison right now. My outdate was 2030. Without that guy”

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  34. “And I don't want to be moved back. I don't want to have to get on that bus. You know what it's like to be moved? It's horrible. So I said, I just want the three levels. So then we argue about the wording for about two, three months, and then they file it. And then I get five years knocked off my sentence because three levels at this level I was at now isn't seven years. Every level, you get a little less time. So I get five years off. So now I've got 12 years knocked off my sentence. At this point, I You have a year and a half to go And that's doable. So I was super, super happy. And I'm going to tell you something. I'm sorry, bro But every time I think about it, and I just feel like I have to say it. Frank, I'm insane I didn't have a fucking prayer without that guy. And as crazy as he is, and much of a pain in the ass as he was.”

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  35. “Said so, I guess you'll be moved back here. We'll go to the hearing. I said, no, no, no, I'll take three levels. She goes, what are you talking about? She said, You said four levels. You said Frank wouldn't let you take anything less than four. I said, No, Frank said to tell you four. I was happy with three. I wanted you to argue for four. I'm good with three. I'm out of here in like a year. So”

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  36. “That's the strangest thing I've ever heard in my entire life. And I said, I understand. But Frank said, and she's like, you're listening to an incompetent, you know, I'm like, absolutely. And Frank said four levels. We want four levels. He said, for me to tell you, we want four levels. She says, okay, she leaves. She goes to U.S. attorney. We argue two levels. They come back and say two levels. No, we go back and forth. We start filing motions saying we want to go back. We want a hearing. We want to bring back all the FBI agents, the secret service agents. And she's like, what do you want to turn this into a circus? Exactly. What do I want to do? I want to turn it into the biggest circus because I've already got one level. Come back one day, she says, Listen Three levels is the best you're going to get”

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  37. “They can crush me so easy. Why don't they do it? Why would they pay you? Like they pay them like 12 grand or something just to fly down and all your expenses to negotiate for me. Why not crush me? She's like, I don't know. I said, Well, Frank said four levels. And she's like, Who's Frank? I go, Frank's the guy that wrote all this. And she's like, oh, is he an attorney? And I go, is he in here? And I'm like, yeah, he's in here. She's like, why is he in here? And I tell her, he was taken over the world. And she says.”

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  38. “And we immediately frank file something saying, hey, stop. We don't want the reduction. We don't want the one level. We want to come back to court. Please don't rule on it. So the judge says, okay, I'm freezing everything. I'm putting a stay on everything. I'm going to give this guy a lawyer. To try and figure out what you're going to do. They fly down a lawyer. Leanne Weber. So she comes and sees me, and she says, listen, I see that you want to go back and fight this and this, but honestly, I don't think you're going to get anything more than one level. I talk to the prosecution. They said they'll give you, but she said, I can work on trying to get you two levels, but you don't have much of a prayer. You're going to get crushed. And I said, well, then why are you here?”

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  39. “Now, typically you have to get what's called a right of a certification to appeal. You have to make sure that you actually have a case. He says, I'm waiving the cert. I'm waiving the $500 fee to file with them. He said, and he basically expedites it for me Which is a subtle way of telling the prosecutor, I think he's got something. And I'm sending it up there. And the way he writes his motion, it's basically saying, I don't have the jurisdiction to hear it, to do anything. But they do. They need to do it. And I'm paving the way. You don't have to pay any money and you don't need that cert. So the prosecution immediately comes back. They file a one-level reduction.”

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  40. “So when I turn around, I'm waiting for my reduction, waiting, waiting after about 90 days after this guy gets sentenced, maybe six months, I send a letter, hey, what's going on to the prosecuting to my prosecutor? The prosecutor of both districts, no response. Then I go to Frank, I explain to Frank, and Frank has known what's going on the whole time. And Frank goes, okay, I'm going to file a 2255. So we follow 2255. Government comes back and they, first thing they say is, Your Honor, we don't know about any cooperation. We've never heard about any cooperation. So, of course, then we submit the letter that we have Judge comes back and the judge ends up saying it's a little complicated, but he ends up saying, look, I don't have jurisdiction to hear this because You may be time barred But I'm going to let the appeals court hear it.”

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  41. “So they sent them home. So he ended up doing so, he didn't even serve the six months. He didn't even serve the original sentence. Whatever. Not that I care. So I'm just saying, if it makes you feel like poor Ron, it's okay. So his wife got like, she got like 100 hours of community service or something or 60 hours. And I think his brother got six months papers. They got charged with obstruction of justice. And they didn't, neither one of them, you know, it's like six months. Probation and community service. Nothing.”

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  42. “It does, but it also increases. My ability to get more off my sentence. So, what happens is a couple days later, he's on what's called the packout, right? They're going to move him, maybe a week later. So they come and get him. They move him. He gets back there to South Carolina. And he pleads guilty. They sentence him. He gets six months added on. So he's now from 19.5 to 20 years. And by the way, when COVID hit, he was released. So he only ended up doing like six years on a 20-year sentence because he was older. By that point, he's 66, 67 years old. You know, he's an old, anybody older than 55 was endangered, especially in the prison. So they had a COVID thing where they were releasing these guys and sending them home on an ankle monitor. Like he's an old man. He's not going to hurt. He's not a danger.”

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  43. “So I wore a wire and I was in danger. Now keep in mind, I'm asking this guy questions inside federal prison. I'm in danger. So whatever. That's like the next level. You're active, you're taking an active purpose in the investigation. And the third level would be you actually get on the stand and you cooperate and you testify. There's no better cooperation than that. So When Wilson says to me, Going to move me back to South Carolina. They've indicted me. They charged me. What do you think I should do? And I go, I think you should go to trial. Because I know they'll have to call me as a witness. Just to let you know, because I don't want you to, I don't want to walk out of here and have you feel like, hey, there's some good to this guy. So I'm ready to cut Wilson like a fish.”

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  44. “So, if you're gonna, if somebody cooperates with the federal government. Let's say I get arrested and they go, You want to help yourself? And you go, Yeah, okay. Look, Jimmy, he lives next to me and he's running a methouse, you know, a meth lab, whatever. And they go and they raid Jimmy and he gets arrested. You're going to get something off of that. Not a lot, but you're going to get something. Now And they could just say, We were going to bust him anyway. We were already on to him, right? Now, the next level would be you wear a wire.”

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  45. “No yeah my wife they question my wife and my brother and my brother my wife walked in first she said I don't have nothing I don't know what you're talking about the next day the brother walks in and gives them $150,000 Cash. And so the next day, the wife comes back and gives them $250,000 in cash and a bunch of silver gold bullion and silver, you know, because he was his Ponzi scheme was based off of silver. He was going to invest in silver for you. Half a million dollars. They turn over half a million. I'm like half a million dollars. I thought she was like $100,000 or something. And he's like, I know. I didn't know I could trust you. I'm like, Ron. What are you doing? I thought we were so I'll tell you something for the icing on the cake, by the way, the icing on the cake. Let me explain one more thing.”

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  46. “I'm not sure it rolls off the tongue better prison rat doesn't sound as good as prison snitch. I don't know. Don't spend a lot of time thinking about this. So, what happens is I'm asking Wilson questions periodically. And at some point they contact me and they say, listen. Wilson's about to get some bad news. Like, okay. And they go, he's like, I don't want to tell you what it is. Let us know what happens. So two days go by and one day Wilson comes up to me one day and says, Cox, Cox. And I'm like, oh shit. I'm like, hey, what's up? And he's like, oh, you're not going to believe this. I got indicted. I was like, what? What happened?”

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  47. “You can't even really say You could say prison rat. You could say prison rat. I think prison snitch. I think that's probably the closer to most guys would use.”

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  48. “And he ends up getting a letter from the U.S. attorney in South Carolina that says they will consider substantial assistance if they make arrests or recover a substantial amount of money. The best I'm going to get is consider. So I start talking to this guy and he starts asking me questions about Ron Wilson, like, hey, ask him this. Ask him this. So I'm like, bro, I got to kind of work that into a conversation. That's an odd thing to ask. So this goes on for six months. So I'm asking questions and I'm typing up little reports, and I'm a prison snitch now. So I'm not just like cooperating. I'm now a prison. So I've moved down actually from being just a cooperating witness or...”

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  49. “Information so they call me down there and I go, No, I ordered it for him and I'm writing a story, and I'd already been in Rolling Stone every day, what's the story? And I tell him the story, they got some pretty good story here. And so I go down there, but this is different. This, the guy answers the door and his guys, they call him bulldog. He was a real asshole. He was a lieutenant of SIS and he's like, come in here, get in here, Cox. Sit down. And he dials the phone and he goes, here, you got to talk to this guy. And I'm like, what? I pick up the phone. I'm like, hello. And the guy goes, hey, this is Agent Griffin with the Secret Service. I understand you know where Ron Wilson has hidden Ponzi scheme money. I want something in writing. I want, you know, so I start doing that and they go, okay. I get his email address and we start emailing each other back and forth.”

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  50. “Yes, to the wreck yard or the library, whatever. He says at the next move, go to SIS. So I go to SIS on the next move. But I was used to going there, by the way, because I was constantly ordering freedom of information acts. And they would, so I'd order you an inmate and I'd order I'm writing a story for you and I'd order it and they'd send it to me and then they would catch it and they'd be like, why are you getting Lexa's?”

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