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Matthew Prince

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“I mean, I rolled my eyes. Michelle was watching me. She's like, Matthew, just take the meeting. It's 15 minutes. You never know what comes out of these things. Jeffrey brought into our office. We were on 3rd Street in San Francisco these three African journalists. One was from Angola, one was from Ethiopia, and the third they wouldn't tell us his name or where he was from because he was currently being hunted by death squads. It was the first meeting I'd ever been in where the term death squad had been used. We're fortunate to live in the West, but in most of the world, journalism is a very dangerous and everywhere is incredibly noble profession. In these cases, these journals were covering largely government corruption in their home countries, and people wanted to shut them up. And so they would threaten them physically, but also do things to knock them offline. And one guy had tears in his eyes, by the end, we were all hugging. They said, you know, we couldn't do what we're doing without you. And I remember Michelle somehow at some point, it was supposed to.”
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“Is call it company size and the y axis is security risk. Turns out that as companies get smaller, their security risk goes way down. And there's still some momentum. But they keep signing up and they would write in and say, Hey, it's so useful what you do. And if you're a human rights organization, you're often pissing someone off and often someone powerful. And so the powerful people would try and knock them offline. We would protect them. And I remember there was a guy who ran an organization called the Committee to Protect Journalists. His name was Jeffrey. He wrote to me one day and he's like, hey, I've got three Cloudflare customers that are in town. Would you like to meet them?”
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“Yeah, we had a chicken and egg problem where in order to make some money and impress our parents, we had to sell to really big companies that would pay us millions of dollars a year. But in order to do that, we needed to have something that was valuable to them. In order to do that, what they cared about with cybersecurity. So we needed to be able to predict who the bad guys were and stop them. In order to do that, we had to have a whole bunch of data. In order to have data, we had to have customers because the customers basically would feed the data back into the system. And so we had this problem in a simplistic way that in order to have customers, we needed to have data, in order to have data, we needed to have customers. And so being good little business students, Michelle and I said, well, what if we created a free version of our service and we'd let anyone sign up? And we expected it was going to be small businesses and individual developers that signed up. But that wasn't what happened. And the reason why is if you imagine sort of a two by two and the x-axis and the two by two.”
2024-04-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Why Cloudflare CEO Matthew Prince is the internet’s unlikely defender · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Keep coming back to the mission of Cloudflare. And I'll confess that I went to business school and I remember sitting in classes where people talked about the importance of mission. I'd never worked somewhere that was a really mission-driven place. I'd never been in the military. I'd never really done government service in any way. I hadn't been in a company that I would describe as extremely mission driven. And so I kind of rolled my eyes at it. And I think that early on at Cloudflare, if you had asked what's Cloudflare's mission, I would have said, you know, our mission is to take advantage of this really unique market opportunity where the world is shifting from on-premise hardware to the cloud. And clearly the network is going to take over that and a whole bunch of the things that were like firewalls and VPNs are going to turn into the service. And hopefully we make a little bit of money and impress our parents, which is, by the way, why most people do the things that they do. It's an inspiration.”
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“Protect Ukraine before the Russian invasion in 2022, that pays off, but you can't always see it and how it's going to look in advance. So I guess the answer to your question is that we don't so much think about, you know, oh, we're going to allocate exactly this amount of margin, but we do make sure that we've got a structure in place that gives us the ability to, yes, build the things that customers want who pay us, but also build the trust in the greater market, which has turned out to be some of the best marketing and that we can do both for customers, but also for prospective new team members.”
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“With a lot of businesses where people want to work with companies that aren't just coin operated. They want to work with companies that are principled and are trying to do the right thing. And I think that as a result of that, even though it's very hard to measure the return of these things ex ante, ex post, they have paid off in space. And so the technology team is like that. A lot of the work that we do, you know, volunteering our services is like that. And I think our team, you know, maybe more than anything else, the key to building great companies is recruiting great people. And people want to work for companies with a real mission that are doing some real good in the world. And so anytime that we do these things, whether it's, you know, help with the TLS 1.3 protocol or help.”
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“But at the end of the day, if we couldn't have built the company that we did if we didn't have a sort of stable and functioning democratic government. And I think that we have a just duty and responsibility to when we have the ability to protect things like how elections work for us to not have costs be something that stands in the way of it. I'm proud of the fact that today a majority of U.S. states, almost all of the battleground states in the U.S., the officials that administer elections there use us in various ways and have been for quite some time, there was no direct return from that. It was just, it's the right thing to do. But I think it's helped us build goodwill with governments. It's helped us build goodwill.”
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“I think that again, we start with the mission, which is that our mission is to help build a better internet. And that means oftentimes we're doing things that don't have some direct measurable return. And maybe this sounds somewhat naive, but what we found is if we do the right thing, it pays off, but you don't always know exactly how it's going to pay off. As an example of this, back in 2016, we saw a lot of foreign interference with the elections. And we thought, is there something that we can do to help with that? And so we launched something called the Athenian Project, where we provide our services and no cost to anyone originally in the U.S., although it's expanded now who's helping administer an election. And there was a lot of handwriting from our state, local, federal team that they were that, oh my gosh, this is going to.”
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“Innovative technology companies that's out there. And I think we built an org structure really designed around how we can continue to deliver innovation every single day that we're doing the work that we do.”
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“That longer time frame on what is it the internet's fundamental protocols are going to need and then how can Cloudflare be contributing to those things. And they are very much not focused on shipping products, but instead helping standards develop working with organizations like the IETF on what the future of the Internet looks like. And again, thinking about something that almost has zero direct return on our business. I think because we have those sort of three different engineering groups that have those three different timeframes, it's allowed us to both deliver what our customers want, but then also deliver really disruptive innovation from an organization like ETI, and then also contribute back to the fundamental protocols of the internet with our technology team, whose, again, thinking on that longer time frame. And for me, that's one of the things that's the most exciting about Cloudflare is just, I think we are one of the most”
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“People can rotate in and off, in and out of the ETI group, but it's almost like a little skunk works team inside of Cleveland. And a lot of the really big leaps where we've provided things like our developer platform, a lot of the work that we're doing around AI today comes out of that group. We have a third group, which is the smallest of it. Often it's made up of a lot of people who are getting their PhD in computer science or they're taking time off to do an internship or some people who would almost be like professors at a lot of universities. And they are thinking more in a five-year time frame on fundamental internet technologies as we have things like TLS 1.3, which is the encryption protocol that protects how when you put your credit card in that it's secure or is we're thinking about things like quantum cryptography. They're the team that's thinking on”
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“And incubation, they don't think in sort of two quarter timeframes. They think in sort of two to three year time frames. And very intentionally spend very little time talking directly to customers. They spend a lot of time thinking about with the resources that Cloudflare has, with the network that Cloudflare has, if we look out over the horizon, what's the thing that someone's going to want two years from now and that we can deliver? And their job is to take lots of shots on goal and ideally 80-90% of them never see the light of day, but some of them”
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“Mandates ultimately around the time to market and the timeframes that they're thinking around. So our traditional product and engineering organization, which is, you know, I don't know, 80 to 90 percent of our R&D budget is what everyone thinks of. They think in sort of two-quarter roadmaps, spend a ton of time talking to customers, listening to what they want, trying to deliver that. Think about what our products are and how they can move up and to the right in a Gartner or Forrester survey and make what is incredibly important, but very much sustaining innovation around the products that we already have. We have a second R&D org, which is, again, approximately, call it 10 to 20 percent, it varies depending on the time of the R&D org. And that's what we call ETI or emerging technology.”
2024-04-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Why Cloudflare CEO Matthew Prince is the internet’s unlikely defender · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“There's one PL at Cloudflare. We try to be as flat as possible. Generally, the metric that I pay a lot of attention to is what's the average number of direct reports that a manager has. We try and get that number around sort of eight direct reports, which is on the high side. Most companies are around five. That tends to make the structure a little bit flatter. Michelle, my co-founder and I, Michelle's our president and COO, and we split the world up. She handles a lot of the go-to-market and HR and support side of the business. I handle a lot more of the product engineering, finance, and legal side of the business. And those are sort of where we divide things up. We have not split up into GMs. I think the one thing that we've done, which is a little bit unique at Cloudflare, is we really have three different sort of product and engineering teams that have somewhat different mandates, very different.”
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“The classic way of answering this is telling me whether you're divisional or functional. Some people actually just go through their whole org chart, which is very entertaining. It's a show about org charts at the end of the day. But how do you think about how the company is organized?”
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“3,500 people around the world and very, very, very global. So we run what is an incredibly global service. And our team is distributed very globally around the world”
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“That's what Cloudflare is as a business. I think most people don't have that insight. Let me ask you some of the Dakota questions now. You mentioned eight people in a nail salon. How big is Cloudflare now?”
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“Different skill set, and that's somewhere where we'd be much more likely to partner. There's identity companies like Microsoft and Okta and Ping Identity that provide those services. Again, I think that's somewhere where we think it makes a lot more sense to partner. But in the network security space, we think that one integrated solution is able to not only deliver the best experience, but also be able to deliver it in a way which is the most cost effective”
2024-04-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Why Cloudflare CEO Matthew Prince is the internet’s unlikely defender · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“A network like ours. And the first service that a customer buys from us costs us a certain amount of provision. But then each additional service that we provision on top of that is actually very, very, very cost effective for us to deliver. And Michelle, my co-founder, always had kind of almost a mantra that we should always be delivering 10 times the value that we should be capturing ourselves. And I think we've really done that. And what that means is that oftentimes companies can just get a much higher return on their investment. They can save a significant amount of money while at the same time having a better solution, a more integrated solution by switching to us. And so I think over time, it makes sense for you to have one network security vendor. And I think we're well positioned to be that. There are things we don't do. Security has other aspects. There's endpoint security. Companies like CrowdStrike, Sentinel One. I think that's a very”
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“I think that people want to have one integrated network security vendor. And there are times that can provide really a robust way of protecting your network that you can't get stitching together a number of different solutions. Oftentimes what we see in the security space is that the seams that are created between vendors are often what the attackers exploit. And what we can do is give you sort of a seamless experience where you can see traffic coming into your network, traffic going out to your network, see that all through one dashboard, give that visibility to all of your employees. That idea of a connectivity cloud that really does connect all aspects of your business together, I think really resonates. The other thing is that we can often deliver it in a much more cost effective way than individual networks. There is a certain fixed cost to running”
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“Particularly in enterprise, the notion that you have a single vendor as opposed to multiple redundant vendors, that pendulum swings back and forth, right? Cloudfare is obviously the integrated solution. You provide all of it. You can get all the things you need to run your service across the network. Your competitors, right? It's more mix and match. You can probably go to them for pricing and competition discounts, all that stuff. Why do you think your approach has won so definitively?”
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“There are aircraft that can't take off if Cloudflare doesn't work. There are cash registers around the world that don't work if Cloudflare doesn't work. There are ATMs around the world that don't work. If Cloudflow doesn't work. And because of that, I think our entire team is really focused on how do we make sure that we're delivering the absolute highest quality service that we can. And again, when we're doing our job right, we're that thing behind the scenes that's just making everything work better. Most people don't even ever need to know that we exist.”
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“Without a single customer above a nail salon. And we would joke that someday if we had an outage or something went wrong, it would be front page of the newspaper because we would be that important. And we have an incredibly robust reliability record, but we have, when we've had challenges, now it be that level of news, except oftentimes the news publications themselves are cloud customers. They're offline as well. We take the responsibility that we have extremely seriously, and we try to be a very principled organization and think about what the long term is. People do rely on our networks.”
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“We were just getting started, one of the things that we would always ask ourselves, and this was when it was eight of us above a nail salon in Palo Alto, California, we would ask ourselves, you know, if Cloudflare ran the entire internet, what would the right decision be? And we asked that around technical questions. We asked that around policy questions, around how we did customer support. There was a certain absurdity to it because, again, we were eight.”
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“I We spend a ton of time focusing on our customers and we don't spend a ton of time just focusing on actually how we build a better internet. Even to my board sometimes chagrin, they're always like, we should talk more about competitors. And I'm like, you know, I think if you just focus on your customers, you focus on building a great product. Competitors will follow you as opposed to you having to follow them.”
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“And that replaces a lot of the Akamai, Fastly, Zscaler, Palo Alto networks. A lot of the people who are doing what is traditionally network security. And then, of course, all of the box vendors, the checkpoints and forgotten the names of them. I guess how much we focus on our competitors. We really are just saying, how can we help make the network experience be the best possible thing it can be? And yeah, we compete with customers in those areas. There isn't really anyone that does the complete suite of things that Cloudflare delivers.”
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“I think that there are a lot of companies that compete with us in individual areas. You know, you do have companies that focus just on things like caching, the folks like Anakamai or Fastly. And we compete with them from time to time if people are just looking at that one thing. You have other companies that are really focused on the VPN replacements of the world. So the likes of a Z-scaler, Palo Alto Networks, a Cisco for some of Cisco's products. And we compete with them as well. But I think what's unique about Cloudflare is we offer that complete package that we can make sure that your content is safe, that you can make sure that your employees are safe. And so if you look across that entire thing, there really aren't that many companies that do everything that Cloudflare does. And what we see from our customers is they really want to have that complete network security package. And they're sick of buying individual point solutions. And so Cloudflare can deliver what we think of as a complete connectivity.”
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“How Cluffler is living up to our mission of just making sure that everyone online can have the best internet experience and that our mission is really to help build a better internet.”
2024-04-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Why Cloudflare CEO Matthew Prince is the internet’s unlikely defender · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You're going to slow things down. And so Michelle, my co-founder and I, as we were first starting thinking about the business, we became obsessed with how do we make things faster. And caching was one part of it, protocol optimization, just getting enormous amounts of connectivity around the world. We're all pieces of the puzzle, but they were really servicing that end goal of how do we make everything more secure. But it turns out that, you know, in most cases, security comes with a compromise of slowing things down. And so when we launched with the goal of just not slowing things down and then we were a little bit better at it than we intended it to be. So not only do we not slow things down, but we actually significantly sped things up. And so today, there are people who may not be particularly worried about cyber attacks who also use Cloudflare. But the great news is you can be really concerned about security and you get performance or you can be really concerned about performance and you get security. And again, I think it comes back to.”
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“It's interesting that some people think of us for things like caching. So the idea of caching is basically just making a copy of something so that you don't have to move it as far. And the speed of light is only so fast. And so if we can make copies of the logo on a website or the images and move those closer to people, then effectively the online experience gets significantly faster. But that's not where Cloudflare started. In fact, it's actually kind of ancillary to what we did. We're very good at it today. But the original premise of Cloudflare was how could we make a firewall that was deployed without any hardware where you could just get it as a service? And the thing was that early on, the objection that everyone had was, you know, that sounds great. You can serve a much broader market. You can make it incredibly easy to use. You can learn from all the traffic that flows through you in order to make everyone more secure. But you're going to add a bump in the wire.”
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“First of all, we actually believe that our mission is to help build a better internet. And that's not just a better internet for the largest companies in the world. They're all customers as well. But I'm really proud of the fact that even individual developers, startups all can adopt Cloudflare. And we actually have a free version of our service, which is really actually pretty astonishing. We don't believe that you should have to have a huge budget to have top-grade security performance reliability. And so all of those things, you can come up to our website, sign up, you effectively make some technical changes.”
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“If I'm starting a website, it's funny I said I run a website, but let's say I'm starting another website and I say, man, I want to make sure the stuff on my website can get to customers quickly. I want to make sure that I'm protected by DDoS attacks or something. What do I actually come and buy from you?”
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“We tend to have lots of machines scattered in many, many places around the world, whereas what you think of as the traditional cloud providers, the AWSs, the Google Clouds, the Microsoft Azure of the world will have many, many computers, but be more concentrated in individual places. We tend to cooperate really well with those providers. They tend to be much more like the data stores, the sort of the database companies that are out there. Whereas we're the networking company that connects those things together. So you would often use one of those traditional cloud providers plus Cloudflare in order to have the best possible experience. And somewhere between 20 and 25% of the web today sits behind us. So chances are everyone who's listening to this has probably used us certainly in the last 24 hours.”
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“The simplest level of CloudFlowers of Service that makes the internet faster and protects it from bad guys. How we do that is we run today one of the world's largest networks. Our customers are anyone who's trying to put content online, anyone who's trying to connect to the Internet in a secure way. Businesses, not consumers for the most part. What they do is they put that content behind our network in order to make sure that it can be fast anywhere in the world. It can be reliable no matter what. It can be secure, private, and efficient so that it can reach as much of the internet as possible today. We operate that network in over 300 cities worldwide and over 120 countries. And we're within milliseconds of the vast majority of the users on Earth. And when we're doing our job right, you don't even know that we exist. You just have a better, faster, more reliable internet experience.”
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“I am very excited to talk to you. It feels like the internet is in a moment of deep and lasting change for a variety of reasons. Cloudflare, I think, is an underappreciated part of the internet for most people. I think if you make internet services, there's nothing about Cloudflare that's underappreciated. If you use internet services, you might not even know Cloudflare exists. It's an important technical piece of the Internet. Can you just describe from the beginning what Cloudflare is for folks?”
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“Infrastructure. It's one of the only defenses, in some cases, the only defense between websites and the people who want to take them down. That includes websites we think are generally good, like news organizations around the world, but it also means unsavory or downright despicable websites like the neo-Nazi site The Daily Stormer, or forums that breed hate and harassment like HChan. Over the last decade, Matthew has had to make the call about when to stop providing services to websites like those. Even though Cloudflare is a protector of free speech and a tool used by journalists, activists, and dissidents in authoritarian regimes, it is a very challenging balancing act. And you'll hear Matthew and I talk about how he makes those kinds of decisions in the company values he says drives them. And those values are under constant pressure. Matthew and I talked about pretty much the entire spectrum of speech on the internet. We talked about the contrast between the United States, which has a”
2024-04-08 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Why Cloudflare CEO Matthew Prince is the internet’s unlikely defender · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Welcome to Decoder. I'm Neil Li Patel, editor in chief of the Verge and Decoder is my show about big ideas and other problems. Today I'm talking to Cloudflare, co-founder and CEO Matthew Prince. Cloudflare might be the most important internet company that most people have never heard of. That's almost by design. Cloudflare provides network infrastructure to more than 20% of the entire web. It's effectively what prevents bad actors from around the world bringing down some of the biggest websites on the planet with cyber attacks. But if Cloudflare is doing its job right, you don't even have to know what exists. But once you dive into the reality of what it takes to run Cloudflare, you realize it's an absolutely fascinating company at the intersection with so many of the biggest ideas we talk about here on Decoder. That's in no small part because of Matthew, who has been running the company for nearly 15 years and has had to make some of the most uncomfortable content moderation decisions in the entire tech industry. Because Cloudflare is such critical”
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