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  1. I mean, it's terrific. I mean, I've looked again recently because, you know, there's been certain reasons why I've been having to read old articles myself at Lancashire. I am. I mean, I don't want to jump for too far. Get the story, but I did so fabulously a couple of eating disorders, one of them being binge eating disorder. I was very depressed and I gained some weight. I've been underweight for a long, long time.

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  2. cried Umushia I don't think anyone can ever, you know, it's really hard, you know, because I'm always in this place where I've always in his place well there's an element of guilt attached to my success and I think that's exacerbated by painful going. Will you famous? You know, you put yourself in that position. And something I explore in the book is People who want to be famous, probably other people least want quite to deal with it because, you know, we're looking for exception and love and adoration and to be that vulnerable and to put yourself in that position only to be criticised is a bad combination. And I think, you know, with the table of media as it was back then.

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  3. Then it was charging like the Albamas. You know, who am I? These people are telling me I'm this thing. You know, they're criticizing me. I'm talented enough. I'm not pretty enough. I'm stupid. I'm a loudmouth and this. And it's like, who am I? Am I who I want to be? Am I who they tell me I am? Should I be for they want me to be? It's so confused and that was, I think, another we were talking about these different elements that got me because I became very, very ill around 2000 and, you know, the eating and the exercising from chick's words and certain things that had happened being photographed constantly, but being commented constantly was a big factor in that journey.

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  4. Right, you know, the tableau media were brutal. I think things have improved Not that much? I mean it is quite shocking now when I look back over articles from the 90s and 90s just like the wording that was used. I think they're just a bit more sneaky within that, you know, we're still saying the same things but in Switzerland different way But back then it was just I mean, I got cults, we all got cults like terrible, horrible things. And as a young person I think for anyone and you're right, you know, the generation now have social media to deal with it, which I think is equally as damaging, if not more so in many ways because you can't escape me. Can you, you know, your phone is, I wake up first thing I do? Look at my phone. Luckily now I have the skin of a rhino and then it was revenge on saying anything negative about me I can use me push out but yeah

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  5. A staveny young page in the audience loving and discovering the spice scarf, and it's incredible. It still pouches her imagination.

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  6. You know, say, Oh, you know, you're wealth from female empowerment, yes, we brought that. This was something that was bubbling and moving and changing. And we were just really fortunate that we hit it at a time when more and more people were getting on it, you know. And I think because, you know, people often talk about feminism of the Spice Girls. And it's like, we feel like, you know, we were young. We had a point to prove. We wanted to be a girl band for girls. And we wanted to talk about female empowerment and how girls could do whatever they wanted to do. No one was telling us we couldn't do something. And it enabled us to take feminism and make it more palatable to the younger audience. You know, we had fans of three years of age. Pop fans or a music act. It never helped her before. And even now, you know, it's amazing. I do these shows and I go out and I do show this stuff and I do come to space.

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  7. Yeah, it really is. You know, you're right. At the time, it was the nineties. It was a period of gross in the UK, you know, it was quite a positive time for the country. We just kind of come out of it. Indy was baked heat, and you know we can't.

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  8. Lorvain he was edited there at the time just thought it would be really fun to give us some nicknames and they stuck and they became part of the brand, you know, and they still live on to this day I mean in the US we're known mainly by our nicknames So yeah it just starts like you say it feels like they were just in alignment it was meant to be we had this idea that something was going to happen but I think it was written in the stars

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  9. I think the stars were in alignments whatever the magic was with that dynamite, that we are so different, that we are quite strong in our individuality, that we made the decision to dress how we each felt comfortable, you know, girl bands before us had coordinated their look or had a certain look, and we realized that didn't work for us. We wanted to make pop music, we loved pop music, we loved so many genres, but we felt like there was a space for a female band. You know, we kind of looked at bands like Take That and New Kids on the Bot. And there was no girl bands doing that. And that's what we wanted to do. And I just think just all those other elements, a lot of them accidental, you know, are nicknames, which we never came up with. It wasn't a marketing idea. It was top of the pops magazine.

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  10. We got together in 1994, that's when we all first met. So together a couple of years beforehand. But yeah, by'98, spring of'98, Jeremy had gone. We went on to do our US leg of the tour as a full piece. We come back, men leave Victoria had their babies. So obviously everything started to change about that point. It was a very different chapter in the lives of the spreadscove that funded.

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  11. You know, it's not even a frault in years, right? One of his released in july nineteen thirty seven. Joan left the bath in the spring of' ninety eight, where we were two shows short of our European leg of the tour. So it wasn't a full few years that the five were together doing the thing, you know, it's

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  12. He was kind of like, he's always like him putting a catapult. You know, we do all this while I'm doing all this work. And then you're gone and you're just on this like.

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  13. We started in Japan, and one of you went to number one Wahabi we were in Japan, so we didn't really get a sense of what was happening at home, and I think when we flew back to the UK, we were in Japan for about two weeks when we flew back, everything had changed. And that was it when people really did start recognizing us in the street. Yeah, it all starts. Yeah, increase of our points.

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  14. So we were always like, we felt we were very important and very special. And when other people started to think that too, one of them was released. It was still own days, but we released our album in Japan because at the time there was no internet. So artists would release music in different territories at different times. So you could kind of catch up with yourself with your promo. You were able to do it. I'd like to say you had time to do it, but hey, there's only seven days in a week. Our schedule was insane.

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  15. We had Big Ad we probably had big ideas above our station before we should have done, but it helped us. Our original management was always like Don't get too big for your boots. You know, you haven't done anything yet. You've got work to do. We know we've got work to do, but we've got something to grasp and we are going to make it happen.

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  16. For a single mot was definitely under half an hour. We kind of disagree. Was it 15 minutes? Was it 20 minutes? I mean, it was kind of thrown together. Was it ever going to be a song? We weren't sure. We were just kind of being sinny. And Matt and Bauer are incredible just obviously made it into something which it went to number one in 37 countries. I mean, I don't think I even knew there was 30 seven countries suit for.

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  17. Gosh, are you really the chair testing my memory now? I think I wanted it was around Christmas time when we got the check. Then Wannabe was released in July of'96. So maybe about six months.

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  18. What did I do with the Russ? I think I paid for some driving lesson dear, I paid for my rent, and I mean pretty much when you get in advance, whether it's with the back accompany or publishing, it's your living expectators, you know, and you're a young artist and you've not released anything. That's kind of what it goes on.

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  19. I mean, thigh so much. Chef, right? I remember being on this kind of stairwell in this party. Give me a check. Temptation. I went down to Oxford, Jeddy Sports, and I bought the Nike air marks that I've been like yet. I've had my eye on for weeks. I've made it.

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  20. So we got like you get advance when you, you know, when you're not so much these days, it's changed so much. But yeah, you get the chance. And we hadn't seen what we would deem as proper money. And that was proper money. Look, I'm zeros.

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  21. We gave everyone the run around and we got the money up and up and up and up. As you could in those days and we just loved Virgin. It was an incredible team and we just had so much fun with them. They really shared our vision. Great A&R Ashley Newtop, you know, obviously Spice was such a great album as Spice World. So yeah, it was like a match made in heaven.

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  22. and they were managed by a guy called Pete, and he was in Simon's offices. And Simon heard the music and wanted to meet us, for he was the first person who approached.

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  23. It was really interesting because we'd been so funny, isn't it? We really did take mustard into our own hands and we talk about, oh, dish me. We were these unknown girl band. Everyone was telling us girl bands don't work, but we were out there going, right, is this manager good enough for us? So we just have a few that we've got something very special and we're not going to undersell it or ourselves, which is wonderful. Even if any of us had any doubts about it, we were like, no, this is the way it is. And I think that real determination, single-mindedness is a really important part of succeeding. It's like, no, there's no doubt this will not fail. So we went out there and met these people. And Mark Fox is introducing us to some writers. We met Martin Biff, who we wrote Wannabe and To Become One Even Forever. And we also met Absolutes Huby Bo. Who do you think you are too much with those guys?

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  24. It wasn't as long as I We get new year because maybe about eight months or so. We had somebody who was very kindly looking after us. So what we'd done before we left our original management, we talked our original management into putting on a We did that, and then we met some writers and producers and publishers, and we made some contact and we kind of knew already we were going to marry, but we just thought they sat with them. And we did that. And so we pursued that and we were with Mark Fox, who is head of publishing at BMG at the time. And he kind of took us under his wing and would take us out for dinners and you'd ask us to meet people and that kind of got us on our load. Big Fox.

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  25. But when we left there, I think I went to stay with a friend back in Sukko where I'd been to college. So I was like staying in her spare will. And then there was a period of time where Melanie and Jeremy were homeless. They were doing a little bit of sofa surfing. Yeah, and ever went home to her mum's place in Flinchley, and Victoria was back at Ermond's place up in Hertfordshire. So, yeah, I believe I think it was so unlovely. I remember we go to Emma's mum's place and she do loads of toast for us and muffin tin for you. And that would be breadfirst and yeah, we would just for me never thought it was never an option to give up. We were on this journey and we were going to make it happen.

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  26. Never so when we go with our original management, they did give us like a little bit of good money. They put us up in a house. I think they gave us about £60 a week, which because we weren't paying for our accommodation. At the time, we could make ends meet.

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  27. It's so funny because this is the thing, right? Nbody remembers think differently because he remembers, he said yes, but we said them doubt to him. So basically, we got to the point where we were going to record companies who were looking for a record deal. So we'd let the original management. We had some demos, demo tapes, and we were going through around meeting managers, meeting record labels. And most people were very positive. We got very positive reactions, but we remember Sam insane, people's interest. Yeah, but he recounts it differently. So that's funny, isn't it? Clavity then, it was the 90s. He was a record company. He wasn't known to the wide public.

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  28. Yeah, you know, I think it's a bit of a trigger, isn't it? So that happened. And I think obviously I was feeling vulnerable and it naps your confidence. But then it's kind of, I think it's like a little chain of events that lead you down that road. You know, so that maybe was the little start of it ignited

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  29. Definitely, that was the catalyst. That was the catalyst for me to. It was like a wake up clothes, Ike. If I want to do this, if Anne want to be a pop star, and you have your own business like the nineties as well. So it was, you know, body image was a very different thing there. Thank God there's so much more body positivity now, you know. But back then it was all about being stick thin. And I thought, wow, if I'm going to do this, I have to fit the mold. And so then it was just, it was a gradual thing, but it was like the eating and the exercising. And that's when that's when it began. Yeah. From a comment like that. Which he probably didn't get a second thought, you know?

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  30. I think, you know, it was very much at that time. I went to Dance College. So teachers would say, you need to lose weight. You know, what's that stomach do with it? I mean, I've spoken to dances recently about the culture of that because, you know, recently there was a lot, there's people I've talked about in the gymnastics world. There was definitely a culture within dance which was very crue and heartless and shameful. Which is changing, but you know dance teachers there are some really lovely nurturing ones out there, but some of the best dance teachers are horrible. You know, I mean Carrot and stick, isn't it? It's quite an old fashioned Way It were in some ways, but it's very damaging.

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  31. Especially the young person could see me, I think about it, I was probably nineteen at that point, which at least had time, you feel like you were grown up and back college, grown up into the big wide world, you a child. You know you're still spoil and sherful nivble.

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  32. You know, I'd been a witness to that in my life, but it never affected degree personally. You know, allow teenager, put on a little bit away, moving away from home, not really eating as well, going down the pub. And it was quite fructuated a little bit, but it was never something that really bothered me. It was just, well, I'll cut back a little bit, lose a few pounds, but somebody actually commenting on the way I looked when I was going into a career where so much of it is about how you look really affected me.

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  33. So he was a financial backer, so when we were first put together by a management team and we were with them maybe for about a year and Chick was, yeah, the financial backer of these original managers and he'd commented on the size of my farce, which was something that really shook me because I went to performing arts college, which was predominantly a dancing college. you know a body image was an issue there there was there were girls with eating disorders i'd be

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  34. But I think the thing is, it's like, you know, I'm so impulsive, isn't it, to remember we're on a journey, right? What's the destination? The destination is death. He didn't know. Just enjoying this chest. And I remember the early days of the Spice Girls were the best before we released anything we had the most fun because it was this excitement, what's going to happen? You know, what can it be? And then when it happened, it was incredible but there's a lot of pressures that come along with it. So everything starts to change.

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  35. Often, often yeah, you know, I wouldn't change my eye obviously I'm so proud of a thing that I've achieved and I have an incredible life and I absolutely do my passion, you know, that's my I've just had a weekend of it, you know, three shows over the weekend and I feel less but with it has been some really tough time and sometimes I do think wow I think Did become famous ruin my life? Did it ruin me? Sometimes I question that.

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  36. But yeah, it's bizarre. Yeah. And I think I often think about the other girls who had potentially, because that still wasn't the five that everybody got in at him, you know there was I think there were three girls from the beginning of the vand being put together who didn't end up being part of the final line above the spice girl

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  37. Yeah, so I was really sick. I kept getting arthritis. And yeah, I was really poorly when the recall happened. And so I begged my mum to call in and just say, give Melanie a week. I get better, she'd come and sing for you. But they were like, no, we've already chosen the girls. I'm afraid it's an earth town. And there was lots of auditions that were nosed. So it was like, oh well, it wasn't meant to be. But then a couple of weeks after that, I got a call to say somebody hasn't worked out. We'd like to see Melody again. And then that was my chance of getting the bound.

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  38. It went well I was recalled we had to dance and then we were recalled to singing and then we were all sent away and then we were called bath but when we were called back I was ill and I couldn't speak let alone sing so yeah I missed my first opportunity of being in this band

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  39. eighteen to twenty four like the wording of it street wine dancing fun loving i don't know but it was it was just basically an audition an open audition anyone come along put the girl band together okay music management And yet I went along to that audition.

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  40. But my telling of the story is, I mean, I just had a really strong feeling at that time that I was going to, whatever this thing was. I was going to be a part today, and it was going to be something incredible.

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  41. Okay, so I'm sorry to the stage newspaper was when you leave Performing Girls College, you'd act to a dancer, singer whatever, you go for your auditions the stage is where you find your auditions. Found myself an audition I didn't want to be out, handed a flyer for a girl band. And I'm like, that's it. And that's what I'm going to do.

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  42. I was in college, I was in my second year, and we had these competitions that would happen every year, and I was singing a song, and it was the first time I just had a moment with an audience where they just really felt this energy, this transaction between myself and men, and it was when I was singing, and that was it for me. That was the moment it was like, it is singing. That is it, that is what I have to do.

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  43. You know, because my mum's a And she had the ills in the seventies she had a couple of equadiers of different bands, but you know it hadn't worked out the way she would have liked it to. You know, she'd be great, but didn't get to those heights that all of us form us to get. So I just knew growing up it's really, really hard working in the music industry is really difficult. So, you know, my young brain goes, okay, I want to be a pop star, but It's really hard, so I love dancing, and I love singing, so these'cause I love music of theater too as well. Went from Guards College and I was pursuing that and I'd sung a little bit, but I just never really had confidence in my voice. But there was this like weird thing of it just gave me so much joy to eat more joy than dancing.

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  44. I mean, you know, I'm a big believer in therapy and I've been having it for many years. Probably I only started to do that because of my time with the Spice Girls and How much of the headfuck that was. But it's really interesting because you do look at your habits and the things that you do and why you do them is so much of it comes back to your childhood.

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  45. Yeah, I remember getting back from school and we have these damn concrete steps up to the flat door and no one was heard them and yeah just busting for the toilet and yeah I wet myself and luckily the neighbor came home and she took me in and kind of cleaned me up and yeah so that's I mean again I was so young there's just these little fashions of memories of first things

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  46. You know, again, I was so young. I don't think it's until I've got old that I thought That's that was probably something that would affect you in a big way but at the time it was just my wife

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  47. Yeah, yeah, there was a little period of time where, yeah, my mum had employed someone to look after me. Who? You know, she felt was great person. But unfortunately, you know, the girl, she was maybe a little bit too young to take on that responsibility and had kind of moved me out of our home. And I'd moved in with her mum. And yeah, it was all. A little bit shady, but yeah, as soon as mum found out, she got an end to it. When I think I was very quiet about it, because I was so little, I think I was only about five. So I chose not to tell her. Poppy didn't want to rock the boats.

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  48. Absolutely, and I'm sure I'm sure I think there was a lot of, you know, my mum's a performer. And it's so weird now because obviously I find myself in a similar position, but she'd be away. An awful lot, but there'd be times when I'd be staying with other people or, you know, having babysitters. And, you know, maybe there was a little bit of instability felt there. And that would definitely make sense.

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  49. Yeah, I think there's something about classical ballet and the training of that, which there's a lot of discipline, and it just really works for me. And even now, you know, I have to have an awareness of this, that it's to have those parameters and to have that discipline makes me feel safe. I don't really know where that comes from, but I am very hard on myself. And I kind of, I think I'm a little bit of a workaholic because I feel like when I'm in a workspace and I'm being very disciplined, that I'm safe.

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  50. Many perform miz, and I'm sure you spoke to people who were like this, but I'm quite shy in certain aspects of my life, maybe like in a social aspect, you know, being at school and I kept my head down. I wasn't very academic. I did okay. But when I was dancing, when I was doing something creative and being able to express myself, I felt very comforted and free and alive. So yeah, dancing school was where I really felt in my element.

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