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Michael Cashman

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first: 2020-03-10
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“prevent the protests to hear the phrase LGBT used as if it was a threat to children, that LGBT books were a threat to schools. If we take our eyes away from history, when we turn and look forwards, the past is in front of us. That mustn't happen again, and leaving the EU gives a kind of canvas for people to paint difference as a threat and as something that undermines us. And that's worrying for me.”
2020-03-10 · Intelligence Squared · One Of Them, with Michael Cashman and Razia Iqbal · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“meted out against others because Pastor Neimiller put it so brilliantly and Shakespeare put it brilliantly before him that if we don't speak out for others then come our turn there won't be anyone left and that is why the issue around what the misrepresentation of trans women and trans men as a threat is not dissimilar to the way Section twenty eight and my history that actually gay men were always acquainted as paedophiles equally the wonderful head teachers who are their teaching inclusive relationship education and yes that includes LGBT I was shocked when I went to the hearing for the permanent injunction up in Birmingham to”
2020-03-10 · Intelligence Squared · One Of Them, with Michael Cashman and Razia Iqbal · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“and to be told by someone that you love probably more than you love yourself that I have no fear of death, that they're okay with it is something that has no price to it. It protects me for the rest of my life. And the fact that he died has taken away my fear of death, and no one can hurt me. Yes, they can bruise me, but no one can really hurt me. So that means the fight in me is perhaps a bit more ferocious, and we are going to have to fight in this country. I see it now in the political language, I see it in the media language, the depiction of strangers as a threat, the foreigner as a threat, the xenophobia the rising racism and antisemitism, the rising misogyny. And we have to connect with the battles and the injustices”
2020-03-10 · Intelligence Squared · One Of Them, with Michael Cashman and Razia Iqbal · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think most of us have fight in us, but we fight reluctantly. And because we fight reluctantly I like to think we can achieve I have a lot of fight left in me. Paul gave me two amazing gifts. Just before he died I was with him throughout those last few days and the am right the way to the end. But that morning before he died when the brilliant Ishemaya at the Royal Marsden told him that she could do no more, he gave me this gift when he said Now we know. Now we know And I'm ready.”
2020-03-10 · Intelligence Squared · One Of Them, with Michael Cashman and Razia Iqbal · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Proud time and there are many things that I'm proud of the accession process, watching countries willing to go through hoops because they want to come into the EU, that they want to pool by consent their sovereignty to achieve much more. In Bulgaria, one of the countries that I worked on for the accession, I remember arguing with King Simeon II, I think he was the Simeon II movement. And I said, you know, you've got to bring forward these changes on gender equality and disability and race, ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation. You've got to do it. I said, blame us in Europe. I said, or lead and say it's right for the country's future. But whatever you're going to do, whoever you're going to blame, you've got to do it. Yes, of course, that will happen, but accelerating that change is something that I'm proud of.”
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“Of the process rather than maddened by the process itself I had a brilliant fifteen years working with people from different countries, different cultures, different approaches, but with an intention to agree, an intention to achieve something that you could never achieve by acting alone, and that is what I find so strange that Jeremy Corbyn as leader of the Labour Party which has that as one of its basic tenets achieving by common endeavour that he couldn't get that. But that fifteen years for me was”
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“Just say yes, have a go try and that's what I mean he was in many ways different trampolines in my life. He gave me a base from which I could go to jump to places that I never experienced. And so when I went into politics I knew especially European politics. There is no way that I was going to get the credit for anything happened that was good, that we just had to get on with doing the job and let anything we do speak for itself. And I think once you get round that and once you get round the fact that you've got to have the courage to be disliked, the courage to be unpopular in the short term because that's what leadership is. Then it's a brilliant job. But don't go into politics in order to be liked and don't go into it in order to be loved because otherwise you're mad at the beginning.”
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“Properly understood, I think we expect our politicians to fit a stereotype. We don't allow people to fail, and if we don't allow people to fail, then mediocrity will thrive. And so when I went into politics and even that stunned me when Margaret MacDonald, who became the first woman general secretary of the Labour Party, but she was the London regional organiser and I was at home doing some DIY and Margaret phoned. And she said, I think, you know, there's a chance for you to run for the European Parliament. I said, no, Margaret, sorry, I'm sanding the floor. And I said, I'll call you back, and Paul came in. And Paul said, Why not? And I said, Well, I look at me. I left school at the age of 12. I didn't go to university. And he said”
2020-03-10 · Intelligence Squared · One Of Them, with Michael Cashman and Razia Iqbal · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think that that is what I experience through Paul and what I experience through my time on his standards, which is that the more secrets you have, the more vulnerable you become, and the less you're in control of your life and what you want to do. I was the first openly gay member of the European Parliament for the United Kingdom, and I just thought get out there, get on with it in exactly the same way, because it's essential that you carry the real you into politics. I don't think... I think politicians aren't really.”
2020-03-10 · Intelligence Squared · One Of Them, with Michael Cashman and Razia Iqbal · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But my God, he reinvented the word fun. I mean, he was the personification of naughtiness. I mean the things we used to get up to and the joy, the absolute joy as an actor, you were always taught you had to put money aside because there were dark days ahead. And of course I believe that coming from that kind of poverty of the East End. And so when he first said to me, where are we going on holiday? I nearly choked. I said, actors don't go on holiday. But he taught me. That actually it's not just you don't just live life you love life”
2020-03-10 · Intelligence Squared · One Of Them, with Michael Cashman and Razia Iqbal · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I'd been brought up on secrets and lies and burying things. And I thought, and this was my biggest, biggest challenge. And what he talked about What he taught me was that I was worthy of being loved, that I could be loved and that someone wouldn't hurt me. Someone wouldn't leave me. But it had to be based on honesty and integrity. And he had how he put up with it, I don't know, but he had such patience. Because again my sexual indiscretions and he taught me the difference between love and sex you know it is not for good reason that there's the large deal of distance between the brain and the groin because one gets separated very quickly from the other and he He taught me so much about letting go.”
2020-03-10 · Intelligence Squared · One Of Them, with Michael Cashman and Razia Iqbal · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“First of all, it was a relationship that shouldn't have worked. It was thirteen years between us, and we were working together in at Scarborough, the East Yorkshire coast. and then he came to London and lived with me we lived together. Again it was illegal, our relationship was illegal because he was below the age of twenty one. And I honestly didn't believe that someone that wonderful could love me. I spent the first two years of our relationship pushing him away. He'd given up everything to come and join my life And when we nearly split up I realized I'd given up absolutely nothing. And I got off on feeling bad about myself, and we very nearly split up, and then we decided that we would have a different relationship, an open relationship. And this was the most difficult thing, and it had to be based on honesty.”
2020-03-10 · Intelligence Squared · One Of Them, with Michael Cashman and Razia Iqbal · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And I'd think that was the day he realized that if he had and he'd had exactly the same opportunities and the same choices. He would have done exactly the same. So that was the day I became my father's son when I stood up and said, You can't do that.”
2020-03-10 · Intelligence Squared · One Of Them, with Michael Cashman and Razia Iqbal · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“My dad was always very uncomfortable, he said to my mum. He said, I don't mind him being gay, but does he have to go on the news about it? He was the old school when I came out to him when I was 26. And many years later after I left East Enders, I did a documentary about discrimination against lesbians and gay men and where it came from. And here my mum foamed me as they always did after anything I did, and said we're proud of you. And the next day he rang and said he was proud again and told me that his landlord of his pub had put a pint on the bar for him because he said that's for you, Johnny, for your son's documentary. And my dad said he said I just want to tell you that I'm proud of you. I said yes, yes, you said that he said. and that I love you I love you And I could hear him getting emotional I held on to it.”
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“Exactly. So that campaign I got involved in that campaign because I had a high media profile. I suddenly was thrown to the front and I was there with IM McKellen. We were called Shakespeare and Soap. I knew which one I was. And we, along with others, brilliant activists, we won the arguments as to why Section twenty eight shouldn't become law, and we were defated. It became law. But then out of that, out of finding my voice, I Ian and I and others like the brilliant Lisa Power we formed Stonewall so that another section twenty eight would never happen again and I think if I hadn't gone on that march if I hadn't known that it was the day when I would become my father's son if I hadn't done that I don't think I'd be where I am now”
2020-03-10 · Intelligence Squared · One Of Them, with Michael Cashman and Razia Iqbal · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's informed by religious groups misusing religions because it's about power, power over people, not liberating people with power.”
2020-03-10 · Intelligence Squared · One Of Them, with Michael Cashman and Razia Iqbal · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And you quote it accurately, but of course intentionally was an amendment that we got in. We asked the government, give us a definition of promotion. Are you saying that if a local authority has a concert hall in it and it does the works of Tsaikovsky, that it's promoting homosexuality? And of course they couldn't define it properly because they were responding to the populism led largely by the Daily Mail and the Sun. The populism of the day that somehow a gay man equated to a pedophile. And we still see it now in the Britain of today the protests against schools that are teaching inclusive relationship education.”
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“Was I don't think Paul and I, my late husband, had expected that the ferocity of the attack, outing him to his family and friends, the location of our address so that a brick came through the window, and it wouldn't be the last brick. But strangely enough I just got on with it. We had that first gay kiss in nineteen eighty seven, which was a peck on the forehead, and again, questions in Parliament The media, the tabloid media went mad, moral outrage, and it was said that if they didn't take the characters out of the show then they had to take the show off air. But the BBC just stuck to it, and it was something that happened in the end of nineteen eighty seven the Thatcher government brought in the first anti lesbian gay and bisexual law in”
2020-03-10 · Intelligence Squared · One Of Them, with Michael Cashman and Razia Iqbal · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I've still got the tape. If anyone wants me to play it, I will play it. I was out to myself I wasn't semi out in the profession, I was out to my agent, I certainly wasn't out to my parents. So when I went into East Enders, it was at a time when the depiction of gay men, homosexuality in general was probably at its worst this century. AIDS and HIV from which people were dying was depicted as the gay plague. People were told in the newspapers and from pulpits and others that they could catch it. So when I went into the show and it was revealed before I was even on screen, there were questions in Parliament as to why in a family show they were having a homosexual, given that AIDS was swirling around the country. And we stuck at it the reaction from the press.”
2020-03-10 · Intelligence Squared · One Of Them, with Michael Cashman and Razia Iqbal · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It certainly did but did I have the intention to set out on the path of activism? Absolutely not. At one point I thought of calling the book the accidental activist and interestingly a little anecdote somebody did an astrological natal chart for me someone I'd never met and I'd sent back the tape and this was about twenty three twenty five and he said this is very interesting Michael looking at this aspect yes it suggests that you will become like a gay leader of a brotherhood I thought you must be joking No way”
2020-03-10 · Intelligence Squared · One Of Them, with Michael Cashman and Razia Iqbal · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Either as a child or as an adult that firmly in their brain is that they are inferior so it doesn't matter. And I don't know, maybe that's where my battle against injustice comes from because I look back at the injustice is done solely because we were seen as different and dispensable.”
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“The honest answer is I don't know. I think that is why For many years I wouldn't give it space in my head. When I did look at it, I used to look at it with a smile, with a laugh, as if it had happened to somebody else, somebody I didn't know Perhaps I treated it all as a film inside my head that I could run and rerun when I needed to I think I managed I was about to say survive intact because of My imagination my joy of life and the fact that also to be honest, to be absolutely honest. When it happened because I knew I was different, I thought yeah that happens to me because I'm different that happens to me when I learnt the term for what I was, that happens to me That anyone should carry that with them.”
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“Each day we were battered with the fact that if you came out of a pub or a club and you even attempted to pick up another man, you could be arrested for soliciting for an immoral purpose, procuring. If you walked out of a place too flamboyantly, you could be arrested for behavior likely to cause a breach of the peace, and people were. And it wasn't until I was sixteen and a half going on seventeen that it was decriminalized. So all of my fifteen and sixteen I was indulging even by going to these clubs, indulging in criminal activity. And that's why it's so vivid. Seeing those women, working women hanging out of the windows along Berwick Street and Ian calling up to them and knowing them all by their first name and them knowing him, the clubs, the bars, the night, the night buses that got you home.”
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“It's a basement. Basement you wear, and down we went down the stairs and then another, and then the door opened and I walked in, and these coloured lights, and there were boys my own age dancing cheek to cheek. I think they might have even been singing about going off to San Francisco with feathers in their hair. And again that sense of belonging and why it's so vivid is because”
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“And I think looking back we created this world so that it would stop us going insane, that we could have periods in our week when we could be ourselves, when we could breathe out. When I walked down into that, I can see it now every time I pass it in Darblay Street in Soho.”
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“What I think about the That time How incredible that we survived psychologically intact. The clubs and the bars that I was introduced to at the age of fifteen and a half by I'll call him Ian Taylor,'cause I only call him Ian in the book. He said I'll introduce you to a weld. He said where there's men and we'll buy you a drink. He said, and you'll have great sakes and for a fifteen year old who, you know, I knew I was gay, I was desperate and I'd learnt the term gay instead of having to call myself queer because that's how you identified. And so we created this world where we could escape to. But you left that world immediately you headed back towards home or towards work. Even within that world you lived with the knowledge that somebody might walk inside that bar by accident, and they might be from your other world.”
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“The first night it happened. I remember when he got into bed with the And I thought this isn't fair this isn't fair. And I found a switch in my head. He didn't hurt me. And then once I found that switch in my head to separate my head away from the rest of my body, I was okay and I would use that switch during the time that my parents allowed me to be with him, and he was very clever, engineered it very well, and then later on I would find use for that switch time and time again. But within all of that darkness you survive by finding this other part of you, by finding this other life, where your focus and your memory becomes the good things. And I think I say in the book, I certainly feel it, that there were some elements that he introduced into my life that were good, so I know what I gained, but I will never know what I lost.”
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“Into a world where I absolutely belonged a world, a world of other people who were different, and nobody batted an eyelid. I described the what we used to call them, then the Nancy boys backstage who used to go arm in arm wearing more eye makeup them than the women. And it was a bus journey, a one hour bus journey from my home in the East End to the West End. And there I discovered other boys like me who were different, and nobody cared. All they cared about was did you turn up at the theatre on time? Did you go on stage and did you do it all in the right order? But again, a show with a lot of young boys in attracted a lot of men who were interested in trying to seduce young boys.”
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“And there was a talent scout who made the connection between My Earther Kit and Oliver in the West End, and a week after my twelfth birthday, which was the earliest you could go on a West End stage, I walked out onto the stage.”
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“You won't, that's my dad put my name down at the Port Labour Board when I was born. So that was his intention for me. And somehow, again, because I hang around with the girls and not with the boys, I ended up in this drama lesson at lunchtime. And the teacher spotted something the importance of art and drama and all of that in schools is crucial. He spotted something and my energy and my imagination went into that rather than causing trouble because I was a rebel. And I didn't sang a song called Strolling and then I did at the end of term school show an impersonation of Earth a kitt for this 11 year old brought on the back of a chair, not a slither of dark makeup on my face, and my mum stood up evidently and shouted out”
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“Actually, the precursor for the change in my life was failing my eleven plus. The big thing that I didn't even know I was taking it, and I look back and I think if I pass my eleven plus and I'd gone to a grammar school, I wouldn't have had the trajectory and the life that I've had now. And that is why I don't believe in the concept of failure. Failure to me, what other people call failure is for me evidence that someone's tried to change something and change something and make it different. So I went to this secondary modern school at the age of eleven where I was going to be turned into a clerk or a builder or a whatever.”
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“No, and indeed, I mean, even though I could read an early age, I don't think then I would have been reading the darker columns of the Sunday newspapers where that was the only place where homosexuality was reflected, and I learnt that later. So no, but there was that sense of being outside the tribe. You weren't. You want one of us you were one of them.”
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“And my heart went cold, I thought they knew, and I wanted them to stop laughing. But then it was all over, they hugged me and kissed me, and I thought they've forgotten it's okay.”
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“Terrified, terrified for people to know that you knew. You didn't belong that you weren't a part of you weren't the same as everybody else and as each of us knows in one way when a difference is used against us it is terrifyingly isolating And I remember that so my mum got me to dance on my favourite Aunt Eileen, and she was my favourite aunt because she had this magical thing of suddenly having teeth and then having no teeth. I didn't realise then that they were just false teeth. And she got me to dance for Eileen. I think it was to a poor anchor record. And I jeeped and jived around that room. And I heard and they were laughing away and clapping, and then I heard my mother say I think he's one of them.”
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“I think it was that I gave off When I look back at those photographs there's this boy desperate to be loved smiling out at the world, not frightened of the world and I was interested in what the world could throw at me. So I think I was a soul in search of friends in search of belonging actually. That, I think, is the truth of it.”
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“There will be trouble, and I will be blamed for causing the trouble. And that was why I never told anyone, and developed a wonderful mechanism to forget and to imagine and to play. I think the really upsetting thing was that even at the age of eight, I knew I was different. I knew I was, that the girls were my friends and boys were the common enemy that we fancied. And I thought when it happened with him and when it happened subsequently with others, I thought Have I got an invisible sign on my forehead that says you can do it to me because I'm different, you can do it to me because I won't tell.”
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“I sat inside our little sitting room. watching the television and I thought good No one can see that I've been crying No one can see that the buckle on my belt is broken.”
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“This I suddenly remembered thinking, but this is different. I'm doing this for someone I don't know We got over the and he guided me along This alley and then suddenly I was thrown into the back of a trailer where he abused me.”
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“Something that my dad used to get me to do, particularly when he was drunk on a Saturday or a Sunday afternoon, and you would be put through a fan light.”
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“and he lifted me on to the wall. And immediately I thought Ah, I know now why he's giving me a shilling he wants me to break in somewhere for him.”
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“and he was there, and he asked me if I'd like to earn a shilling. And so I went with him, and the thing was you would talk as a child.”
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“and that's when they become demons. So I was running home and I can see it now. I can see the street and passing the pub where my mum and dad used to drink, and I used to sit outside with my brothers.”
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“Different I was from other boys, I sought refuge in my games and my imagination, so it was tough, but it prepared me for life. In an amazing way, but it didn't prepare me to go. For some of the things that would happen to me when I was so young.”
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“who worked in the docks and often helped himself rather than helping the containers that he was unloading. So it was an incredibly exciting In which to live and to fantasize. And that's how you kind of got through the mundanity of when you're poverty hit when there was no money. But I suppose for me being the second child. and very early on knowing how to”
2020-03-10 · Intelligence Squared · One Of Them, with Michael Cashman and Razia Iqbal · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It was incredibly exciting, and also the interesting thing about poverty is when you're used to it, you don't You have nothing to compare it with. So growing up in The docks in the east end it was like being in this amazing black and white film that came into colour soon as the day began. There were ships arriving from all across the world there was cargo lorries and horse and carts carrying all the merchandise around the docks and in amongst it was this huge Council estate that we lived in my mum who was a very proud office cleaner, my dad who was a docker,”
2020-03-10 · Intelligence Squared · One Of Them, with Michael Cashman and Razia Iqbal · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The behavior of matter through space and time, what can that teach us about the universe and what can that teach us about the nature of reality itself? Jim will be appearing in conversation with another physicist, Helen Zersky. She's one of the UK's most popular science presenters, and they will be appearing in conversation at church house in the U.S.”
2020-03-10 · Intelligence Squared · One Of Them, with Michael Cashman and Razia Iqbal · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“We have Jim Al Khalil, Jim Alkali is one of the nation's best known broadcasters and physicists, and we're staging an event with him titled The World According to Physics, and it's all about why physics matters, why”
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