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  1. Go for that Is that I would be a phony because I really did want it. This goes back to surfing. I really did want it, but I couldn't do it. I was afraid to do it. I was afraid to put myself out there to not be good enough. And that was the model that others were going to determine if I was good enough. And so I was right on the cusp of it during this test taking thing. I could go and build a business the other way or I could go and get tested. It was just, it was really just for me.

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  2. And so I had a moment where I was like, back to when I was really young, if I don't take the test, I had all these reasons. If I don't go get licensed, I'll be able to build a business and I'll be fine because you don't have to be licensed to do some of the work that we're talking about. But so it was like this personal decision, do I go and get tested or do I not? And it was like one of these really cool moments where I was like, you know what? I'm letting it rip. And I can remember getting the results back. I was in the first home that we bought with my wife. getting that thing back and the results back after six weeks of waiting. I was jumping up and down. I was like, oh, you know, like that was a moment of test that was meaningful for me and it created a lot of freedom for other tests.

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  3. Yeah, so time is all we get. I mean, and that is what we're competing for, right? And with right now, it's the greatest kind of thing that we're trying to suss out, I think, is how can we be here now? You know, the easy one is time investment in understanding how to be here now and be on time. I feel like is the gift that I'm trying to help others find as well. But more concretely, there was a moment when I just graduated my PhD program and there was one or two ways that I could go. The two ways, one was I could go licensed, get licensed, and the other was I could not get licensed. And so license as a psychologist means that you've got certain privileges and restrictions, but you are part of that club that can do psychological services or medical services.

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  4. Yeah, I think I've shared them with you already, which is the love of my life saying that this isn't working anymore. And it was both of us co-created that relationship. But that was unbelievably painful to go through that journey. And so many of us have done it, you know, and that was an incredible gift of strength that she demonstrated for me and for us. And so I think that was a big one. I was an absolute selfish. Craft obsessed human being that was not watering and loving properly the people that mattered the most. And so yeah, that thing is real. And so that's an incredible gift. Fundamental altar in my life. Fundamental altered my life.

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  5. It's just like saying stuff that you should, and why don't you, and how come? And like, that's what you should do. And that's the stuff. But I'd say more specifically than the general answer would be. That you two can be everything you want to be. Not necessarily. Yeah, I don't, you know, maybe in some kind of make believe world that everybody is going to be amazing. I just don't see people putting in the work to do it. And so motivation, I don't know anything about it. I don't know anything about motivation because people I work with don't need it. They're driven. They're fully committed to a particular way of living. And so this idea that we need motivation, we don't need motivation. We need to find ourselves in what is true and honest. And when it matters to us, I know this to be true for me. I'll do whatever it takes.

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  6. Yeah, so the field would be squarely in psychology, right? And the facets of human performance, that's the field, particularly from the invisible standpoint. But the worst advice is advice. That advice is awful.

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  7. Yeah, so this is a consulting model where we're trying to take, where we have taken his intellectual property in mind, his on culture building in mine on mindset training, and put them together where we can think we've captured and we're on to something about how to share that with people that are not in sport. So it's landing in the business world on how to shape cultures that are meaningful and then train the peoples, the brilliant human capital inside of our workforces to be their very best. So that sounds wonderful. And then how do you actually create a business that has scale and meaning? It's like, that's, I love it. That's hard. I love it.

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  8. The hardest challenge. I think it's always authenticity. I think that's always it, right? And then moving as deep as I can to places that are uncomfortable. So what would that be? It's saying the thing that I find difficult to say because it requires this fear that I have that if I go back to way back, that if I say this thing that I feel like is true and pure and it hurts another person, then that tension becomes really challenging in the relationship. And I'm significantly better because I practice a lot, but that thing is, I think, really hard for people, for me, I should say. So that would be one of them. Business. So I'm building a business right now with Coach Carroll and figuring out entrepreneurship in that framework.

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  9. I don't think I have a great answer for that. Like, what do I think surfing would be the thing that I try to fit in best way I possibly can, which is tough to do. So what I give a talk on surfing, probably not. I don't know. I spend so much time thinking about the human experience. It would have to be something outside of the human experience. I don't know where to go. Like I'm here.

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  10. Like not for my son would be soft tissue work, massage in soft tissue work. I think it's an incredible gift for all of us for alignment. If you feel tension in your muscular system.

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  11. Something about Pokemon. I think it's like the something Pokemon, whatever. And so he's all about it. Yeah. And so that's been really good. And then I'd say

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  12. Yeah, two things pop up. One is this $11.99 book that my wife bought my son, and he just won't put it down. I have an eight-year-old son. That's okay. And I have an eight-year-old son who's just like, he like, so any little book that I give my son feels like the greatest gift in the world because he becomes mesmerized by the imagination, the stories inside of it. And so that's been a really good

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  13. I love documentaries. Yeah, I really do. And I think documentaries, I'm much more interested in nonfiction than fiction, just the way that I think about things. So I love, I can't remember a documentary that said, that's a bad documentary because usually people that are shooting documentaries love it too and it comes through the work. It translates some kind of way. So I love documentaries. Favorite movie, Star Wars. And so I just, I think that there's some, I was captivated by it when I was eight, and it just kind of keeps coming back to me. As far as titles of documentaries, what was good was Amy.

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  14. Yeah, very applied, very meets me right where at the most simple concept. And it's a book that you do rather than just read. And so it's great. I pass that out like it's candy in locker rooms.

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  15. O R-I-A-H Malcolm Dreamer. And just beautiful prose. And so that's one. I and me by Virginia Satir. It's pretty powerful as well. And then the book, I think that I spent a lot of time gifting is a great applied book. Jerry Lynch wrote it with a co-author, and it's called The Way of the Champion.

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  16. What's up, John? Yeah, he's unbelievable. I don't know the way that it might sound. I know him, but I feel like I feel him and I understand him. And I love what he stands for. And I love how I feel around him. And he has done a tremendous gift to modern times to embrace the signs of mindfulness. And I think he has an inner peace about him, and he's worked at it. I think that that was a person that capsulates it's the best for me.

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  17. Yeah, I think about success as a life of inner peace, of a life that has meaning and is adding to the wellness of the global community. That's how I think about it. And I could pull out the word global and make that not necessarily the world, but one's own like the family unit. But so a sense of peace, exploring the giving and making something better than you left it. And so there's a gentleman by the name of John Cabot Zinn. That I think

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  18. Was a thing, always a thing to fighters. So I asked them about imagery. Like, do you do it? And he says, oh, yeah. He says, I do it. I said, what's it like? And he just kind of gathers himself. And he says, it's the most beautiful movie. And every time I relive it, I create images and nuances that I want to experience. So he called it like, think about the care that you would have that you will spend time to enhance your imagination and use your imagination to create the most beautiful movie. That tells you something about the way he's fundamentally orientated his life. Just doing a couple imageries here and there, or I don't know, four days before you're going to go give a speech, that's not enough. That's a hack. That's taking good science, but not really living it.

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  19. Yeah, and I want to go back to fighting and imagery for just a moment and stitch those two concepts together is that Hicks and Gracie. So Hicks and Gracie is a legend in the fight world. And he and I did an interview probably 15 years ago where I was asking him about imagery. And we created with a partner I was creating the champion mind fighter DVD. It was back when there was DVDs. This is before it was on Spike TV before it was a thing.

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  20. It's much harder to have color and control it and move it. And then can you add the other variables on top of the other senses on top of it as you go? And again, this is a skill of focus as well. So when your mind wanders, can you refocus? So again, there's a stitching to mindfulness in here, but the aim is different. Mindfulness is about insight and wisdom. The aim of imagery is enhanced performance. So they're different in that vector. And so what else would you want to know about it? We all know it works. And why don't we do it more often is the question.

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  21. So yes, the answer would be to play with it. The science is not great for imagery, but the practice is pretty well understood. So music or no music, let's kind of address that. My experience has been better with no music. Some athletes like music. I feel like it's a distraction to the objective. And the objective is to create such a lifelike experience that your body believes that it could be real. And it might just be. So there's a switching on or an animation that happens within you. When you create an image that is crisp and has color and sound and smell and taste, and you could manipulate it in such a way that you're putting yourself in an electrically charging situation. So that's imagery in a nutshell. Can you be so skilled? And that takes time to activate those senses. It's easy. It's relatively easy to do color.

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  22. So let's use the word instead of visualization, use the word imagery. So, visualization is like just with one senses. Imagery conjures up the idea that we're going to light up our brain with as many senses as we can. And is the question where? Is that the question?

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  23. And it's really important, I think, to honor that the same way you can train your body, you can train your mind. And so systematically desensitizing yourself to what other people think of you at a surface level, fantastic. Yeah, brilliant. So many of the concepts that we would talk about are not new. You know, grandma told them to you. You know, science will back them up in some kind of way, but they've been practiced for thousands of years. The science is nice because you don't have to rely on storytelling. You can rely on some evidence or theoretical evidence at least.

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  24. Yeah, right, so those are great moments. Because it's teaching you something about your psychological framework, that what they think of you is now too important because your body's saying, is this a saber tooth? That's why that system's turned on. Or, you know, is this some other kind of threat that I don't know what to do with? So those are great moments. And so as often as we can find those moments to put ourselves in, that's how we build capacity to be able to one day express

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  25. And then for Robert, how many of you have those experiences where just saying your name at a table of strangers, your heart starts to pound?

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  26. So, Robert, the reason I wanted somebody to read is because I would bet what I wanted to ask you, did your heart rate come up? Just asking a simple little question. Yeah. So how many of you, can I do this? Yeah. How many of you here have a philosophy that you could say in 20 words or less? Hands up. Not enough That is not enough. How many of you could come down and say it with Tim and I right now? We got some bold ones. Yeah, good, yeah.

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  27. Yeah, I just kind of do the same thing unless they're exceptional or awful. Like it's 20%. And so that's kind of what I'll do for. But how do I, if they're exceptional, what does that mean? It's like, it just feels good to be at dinner. They've created somehow they've added to the environment and the experience of joy with people and food. And so that's what I'm looking for. And so right down the middle, most people aren't exceptional at their jobs, you know, which I think is a bold statement, but I think that that's accurate. So 20%, thank you. It's good, it's fine. And then the other experience when people are awful, I don't want to leave anything. So it's really aggressive, but I usually tell people

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  28. And so that tells a lot. And I ask them, you know, are you going to work with them again in the future? And so usually their agents or managers are people that they send as referral. So those are some of the things. It's just a feel. I don't know how to do it more systematically over the phone.

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  29. Yeah, so I just thank him for taking the call. I have a little chit chat about how they know each other. And then I'll start to feel it out. I don't have a system for this. And it's a conversation. The things that I do like to think about with them is Have you ever been embarrassed around them? And so people will say yes or no or whatever. But it's the hesitation that's important in that. So I'm just feeling the hesitation out. I ask them about how they tip.

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  30. They don't know why I'm asking though. They don't know why I'm asking. They don't know if I'm trying to suss out if they're a jerk or not or have low regard for other humans. Right. No, understand.

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  31. to take money from somebody who has incredible influences and is going to harm other people not for a noble cause, not for something that's right. So if people are a-holes and they want to be more powerful, it doesn't feel good.

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  32. It comes out in the first 15 minutes of a phone call. So that's like my screening process is there's a couple gates to get through for both of us. One is the sniff test for both of us. Like will you do the work? Does this guy know what he's talking about? And then just a kind of... 85% from that first 15 minute conversation. And then when we show up in person, I know almost right away, you can feel that. And so, what I've learned in between now is to get with permission from that person and say, are there a couple people that I could call to learn a little bit more about you before we make a final decision? And so then I'll make a couple calls and do some due diligence because it feels awful.

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  33. I work with adults, and so it's not like they don't know what they're doing, and there's no trickery. So we have to work from sturdy and robust practices that will test and be weathered in rugged environments. That's why there's no tricks, there's no hacks. I don't know how you feel about hacks because it's talked about a lot, but I have a reaction to it. There is no shortcut.

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  34. To somebody, she's like, fine. And she's Latin, and she's wonderful. And she says, with all the flair you can imagine, but it's not going to work. Okay, so we go to therapy. It was so, it wasn't manufactured, it was real, and it was on. I was about to lose something that was so dear and tender to me that I had created the problem, basically, right? And so it was rad. And yes, yes, yes, if you haven't done the work yet, get your ass in a chair and be real and sort it out with somebody. And it is unbelievable. So we dated. We ended up doing that work for two years. We dated. We've been married now for 20-some years, and it is just like it's rag. It's rag.

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  35. My wife seven years into our relationship said, You got to go. And she said, We got married really high school sweetheart. We got married really young, and we hadn't found ourselves yet. And she said, I love you. I love you. You're wonderful, but I don't know how to be me. And I don't know how to be me around you. And the strength to say that. The strength to say that. So I was in a panic mode, right? I was like, what do I do? And so we didn't talk for some time. And I said, hey, listen, I'd already had I was already doing what I do. And I said, hey, listen.

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  36. Why would I need a therapist? Yes, yes. I'll tell you, that's a great question. And there's a story that goes with it, is that first story was two stories. First was that going through graduate training, one of the requirements that the school provided was you have to go sit in the other chair. You have to feel what it feels like to understand that level of vulnerability and the process of being authentic and saying difficult things. So that's what was my first exposure to it. I don't see myself doing therapy. That's not what I do, right? But I'm invested in relationships to strengthen the assets of other people. And so I sat in that chair and I was like, wow, this is heavy. Like it is a sweating, just sweating in chairs. And it's just another human being asking me questions. I could say no. I could say whatever I want, but I'm sweating with tension. So that was my first experience with it. The second was...

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  37. And then the last piece on the stimulus, the external stimulus for our attention. Is deconditioning us away from being present, not lost on anyone here. But that's a real problem for the next generation. Like it really is. And I'm hopeful. I'm hopeful that we'll figure out ways that they're going to show us how to be better than we are I'm nervous because we know that flow state. The most optimal state a human being can be in. Flow follows focus, not just any kind of focus, but deep focus. So think about that for a moment, the gravity of that. If we're detraining ourselves by multitasking and not training deep focus, we're decreasing our frequency of dropping into flow state. The most optimal state of a human can be in. We got problems. Productivity, sense of awe and wonder. Like there's challenges coming around the corner for us

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  38. Yeah, so real quickly on that thing, the challenge that we're having from smartphones is that I'd also say compete. Get around your boat, get around your buddies, your boys, whatever it might be, and compete. If you guys go to dinner with whomever, put your cell phones on the table. Okay, so when you put your cell phones on the table, it decreases attention. We know that. Put yourself on the table. And whoever picks that thing up first, they're buying the bill. So level up on some competition. Yeah, that's good. So that was a consequence to kind of grabbing that thing instead of getting the dopamine and the hit of the rush that we get.

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  39. Yeah, tough on the concrete. And then as soon as some people, as soon as they get into the cage, it's a different experience. And some people, they light up as soon as they're in there. No work is needed. And it's amazing. Yeah, lights are on, cage door closes, and the grin on their face. A real deal

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  40. And so we need to know what the ideal competitive mindset is, and then we back into great awareness so that you can pivot and adjust. And you've got the skills to be able to Just accordingly to either erroneous thoughts or real consequences that are taking place. And I think that you would recognize that the steps into the cage, those steps, if not prepared properly, they become problematic for people.

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  41. And if you haven't done that work, that's a really important thing to be able to do. Because if you don't do that work, what ends up happening is we get overrun by external stimulus telling us how we should look, how we should think, how we should, and that shooting all over oneself creates shame and smallness, and it becomes problematic for expression, artistic expression even. So the first is like, what is your ideal competitive mindset? The second is what are the strategies that you employ to turn that on? And once we get to sorting those two things out, then we backfill into, well, we need to increase our awareness of those thoughts, of those circumstances, so that you can dictate that more often, dictate what? The ideal competitive mindset. And that's the fighter's responsibility because it's dangerous.

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  42. Okay, so again, it doesn't differ that much from others because I think I truly believe that I have no evidence from what I'm about to say, but the craft matters less than the ability to access the craft. So my approach doesn't change that much between... Sport A and Sport B. But when there are said consequences, it feels like the meeting to want to do the work is amplified. Okay, so the person wants to do the work. I want to do the work, so there's more intensity in the work because their ass is on the line, like their intensity. So, first things first is what is your ideal competitive mindset? How do you talk about it? What does it feel like? Let's see if we can create that as a target. And then, so that's the first part of the work is like, what is it like inside of you when you're at your best?

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  43. I mean, it was Earl Thomas. Our safety was right there. Cam Chancellor, you know, strong safety was right there. Bobby Wagner was all these men that just showed up to say, come on now, let's go. It was beautiful. It was wonderful. Now, if you have a controlling environment or if you're afraid of emotions, that can never happen. Can't happen. If that's not okay, can't happen. But that's how far you want to be able to push to the edge to explore potential, to explore capacity. Those moments, as you'll well understand that word and appreciate that word, I hope, is that that's a capacity building moment for everybody involved.

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  44. And so there's a picture and image I have in my mind where one of the athletes is pulling on the said athlete's hair. Come on now, get back in here. And it was radical and I'm watching going, this is unbelievable. And so then all of a sudden, the entire defensive part of the, I think it was everybody, almost everybody just started jumping like a tribal experience, getting him back, getting them back in the rhythm, almost like these large animals that were hunting together and they're kind of in their tribal moment, and they brought him back into the fold. They met him with the intensity, with the care to say, come back, you are one of us. Stay with us. It was unbelievable. And the leadership to do that.

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  45. Because it's dangerous for them, even though destruction is taking place, right? And when one person, football is a beautiful team environment. When one person's off the whole thing is working to try to help that person, right? And so that's what teens and tribes do, right, to really help. So what happened in this particular occasion this year is that one athlete confronted him. And the athlete that was overrun with emotions want nothing to do with it. Another athlete stepped right in, literally right next to him. This is not orchestrated. No one knows that this is going to happen ever. Steps right in, grabs his attention. The first athlete wants nothing to do with it. A third person grabs a fourth and a fifth, and they literally lined up. And it was this amazing experience, and the athlete was so overwhelmed with the motion. He wanted nothing to do with his best friends.

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  46. I mean, okay, so go back to the principle that Coach Carroll set up. This is a relationship based organization. And so when relationships matter, There's intensity around emotions in there. So what happened just recently was this year. One athlete was angry. He was pissed. Threw his helmet. And he was in a fit of rage. And so there's a couple courses that would take place, a couple predictable things that could take place. People would be like, whoa. That's too much now, right? Like, stay away, or they can come up and become aggressive with him and jump in his face and say that's not okay. And so what most people do in most organizations when somebody's raging, I mean, I mean raging full of testosterone and strength is that they back up.

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  47. How you sell it? Oh, now you got my attention. Like, okay, there we go. So, you know, and I don't, I'm still waiting. So maybe he sold me a bill of goods, but, you know.

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  48. Do you come back? And can you swiftly come back? And can you do that a thousand times? Whatever. That's the work. And then eventually, eventually you'll slip into that no-mind experience. And I'll tell you how my first teacher, he said, Mike. Mind you, I'm like, I don't know how old I am, but he says, if you are young, and he says, if you knew what I knew, you'd be doing this every day. Okay, what do you mean? He says It's like a full body orgasm.

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  49. Yeah, the misconception is the first trap is that if you just focus on your breathing, there's two types of mindfulness training that the way that I've come to learn about it. Single point and contemplative. So single point is one thing over and over and over again. So you notice when you leave the moment, that moment, and then the work is to come back. And in that, once you become aware that you've shifted from now, the breath or the dot on the wall or mantra or whatever it might be, and you're over here, what do you do with that? Do you say mother? Or do you say,

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  50. Was the most intense environment I've ever been in. That didn't have real violence. Yearning and searching and questioning why was on a scale of one to ten a hundred. Anger and just being pissed off about what just happened because the loss, our brain is phenomenal, as you well understand, that there's no redundancy in the brain. So the circuitry for grief and loss is the same circuitry for losing a game. So it was grief. It was the most intense grief. Like somebody just came in at the last moment and took away everything that you thought was yours. And it was exciting. It's a thing you've worked your whole life for. And so coming into that locker room, there was six foot eight crying, six foot four ready to break someone's head open, six foot two was taken off his tape, ready to punch somebody. There was a person behind me that was screaming, why? Why is this happening? There was another gentleman, another athlete in the back that was kind of snickering and laughing. And then there was plenty of people that were just completely, completely overwhelmed and didn't know what to feel.

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