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  1. “Yeah, I mean, look, the numbers are on our side. Most Americans, and I think most people around the world are on the side of fairness and equality, and that's what they want.”

    2023-02-13 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 5: Michael Johnson: Politics, protest, and sport · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  2. “No, you know, I mean Still hopeful. And look, I have to say that there's a lot of good things happening too. While it's pretty bad, and sometimes you have to go through a lot of bad, but I'm thankful that we're going through what we are now because I think it's necessary. And knowing, once you see it, you can't unsee it. And what we know now, yeah, we were not in as good a place as we thought we were, and we're working to get there now. And eventually we will get there. And so just going to take a little pain.”

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  3. “Yeah, I miss him. So when I first started, Brendan was there, and we were always, we're pretty tight, and he gave me a lot of advice when I first started and was always very, very supportive. And he's been supportive and helped me a lot with my business as well. So Brendan is great. He's phenomenal”

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  4. “I love it. I love it. I've been with BBC now for 20 years. And I love it. I love the sport. I love trying to help viewers understand what they're seeing. Try to explain things that they may not otherwise have thought about as they sort of watch the race and help them to enjoy the experience better.”

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  5. “So I was proud of that. Not that I just was able to hold on to it. So that eight years, you know, between the time that I retired and broke my world record, not one time that I ever introduced myself to anyone as the world record holder. That was not my identity. Have some friends who are world record holders, and that's their identity. And if their records are ever broken, it's going to be a problem for them. That wasn't me. So, and when Wade broke it, same thing, you know, and I guess probably part of it too is I like both of those guys. You know, if it was somebody I didn't like that broke my record, may not be, yeah.”

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  6. “So Wade Van Niekart took my 400. So most people would think that you'd be disappointed. And I wasn't. I was eight years into retirement when Bolt broke my 200 meter wall record. I'd moved on, proud of the things that I was doing then and still proud of the fact that I broke the world record. And that was what I was always proud of. The fact that I had broken the world records and all of the work that it took, I chased both records for years.”

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  7. “So on this Calvin Smith thing, that's what happened. It's like, I'm in a race with Calvin Smith, my idol, and I beat him. I was like, I have no business even being in a race with this guy. And it's not even my race, 100 meters. He's past his prime. I was like, and I was like, yeah, that's not going to happen to me. So I retired after Sydney and felt like there's nothing else for me to do. I've broken all of the world records, want to go medals. And I was always motivated by my goals. And I felt like I don't have any more goals. And now it's going to start to go downhill.”

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  8. “No, no, you know, you don't try to destroy someone else. Just go out there and compete, you know. That's why I retired when I did. I didn't want to be running against people that I felt like, you know, hey, you know what? I think I'm past my prime and I don't want those people beating me.”

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  9. “Out, it's a long story. It was something about him that I never liked. And then once I started competing against him and I was sort of the next, you know, after him, he never wanted to give up the reins. You know, he wanted to continue to be the king. So he tried a lot of stuff to try to just kind of, you know, destroy me.”

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  10. “I was very fortunate. It was easy for me because I was ready. I was ready to move on to the next phase of my life. I was really fortunate that I did all of the things that I wanted to do in this sport. So when I left, I was... A 200, 400 meter sprinter, I ended up in a 100 meter race in Stockholm one year. And this was at the beginning of my career. And Calvin Smith, who had been the world record holder in the 100 meters at one point, American, he was my idol. I loved Calvin Smith, hated Carl Lewis, loved Calvin, so I was always a Calvin Smith fan.”

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  11. “Possible. I mean, in terms of crossing the finish line, yeah, you would because I have no interest in actually going that far. So I wouldn't get.”

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  12. “The way that I look at it is it would be how much slower would I be today than I was. And I don't really want to know that. I have no interest in knowing how much slower I am now than I was when I was at my fastest. Just a little.”

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  13. “Record time, of course You know A month later, I was back to being able to walk. I mean, one of the things that helped me most is keeping myself in very good shape. So I'm really strong on my right side, even though my left side then at that point, you know, I don't have much use of it. But being able to rely on my right side, you know, helped me a lot. So a month later, I was able to walk fairly decent. Six weeks later with the naked eye, you wouldn't be able to tell. But I was still not quite back and not right. My balance and coordination was still not there. So I continued to rehab. And I was back running about two months later, running very poorly, but able to run. I'd say back to exactly where I was before as much as I could possibly be six months later.”

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  14. “Never know. Some people make a full recovery. Some people don't. Some people make a partial recovery. Some people it takes longer. You have a better chance than anyone else. And they were very encouraging. But we're very honest that only time will tell.”

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  15. “So, I could have very easily just decided I'll sleep it off off for better tomorrow, which would have been catastrophic. We went to the emergency room. By the time we got there, it gotten worse. Now I couldn't. I was barely able to walk. My left side had gotten much worse. So ultimately they diagnosed that seems like maybe you had a stroke, you know, based on what I was telling them and what they saw in the CT scan, which didn't show any blockage. And so they said we're going to do an MRI, took me up in for an MRI, and the MRI showed that I had had a stroke. And by that time, couldn't walk, couldn't stand anymore. And doctors said, you suffered a stroke. And it was devastating because at that point, I'm laying there. I can't walk. I can't stand. And so the first question I asked, of course, was, you know, what's my prognosis? Am I going to be able to walk again? And there's a team of doctors there. And they said, look, you know, that's the right question as far as answers. It all depends on time.”

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  16. “No, I felt like, I mean, and this is the thing, and I do a lot of work now with the UK Stroke Association as well as the American Heart and Stroke Association and try to help people understand, you know, and be aware of the signs. And it's very dangerous because if you had asked me before I had a stroke, Michael, if you were having a stroke, do you think you'd know? I would say, absolutely, I would know from having a stroke. I felt no discomfort. I felt no pain. I just felt this weird sensation where I was having trouble coordinating and I didn't have slurred speech, didn't have face drooping, none of those things.”

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  17. “You might die. Yeah, it was a crazy situation four years ago. I was, I just finished a training session in my gym at home and started experiencing this tingling in my left arm. I started having a real problem with coordination on my left leg and my left leg. So I almost fell down, hobbled over to a weight bench, sat down. It's like, this is very strange. Long story short, out of an abundance of caution, we decided my wife and I decided I would just go to the emergency room and just see what it is because probably nothing. Because yeah, I mean, I've always been healthy and taking good care of myself.”

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  18. “So the sport limits the number of sponsors you can have on your uniform when you're competing. And the athletes themselves, because the sport television-wise isn't very attractive, so it's not in a consistent timeframe and schedule where people can find it. So it's hard to grow a fan base for it. So the television isn't very attractive and doesn't get a lot of viewership. So there's really not much for a sponsor. So the only sponsor options for the athletes is shoe companies. And there's only so much that they have in their budgets because this isn't a recreational sport with a lot of equipment like a tennis or golf where you can monetize.”

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  19. “They have to. What I would have loved to have seen him do, and we'd love to see him do is don't score any own goals with the sport first of all by doing silly things that make it look even worse and less professional and less of an attractive asset for anyone to come in and sort of take over. Don't do that first. And then, yeah, go out and try to find that partner that can come in and actually commercialize the sport and create a true professional track and field circuit.”

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  20. “I'm going to give you one. Concept that he should absolutely be looking at, and that is, world athletics is a federation. Federations, their job is to govern. Governance, rules, supporting the member foundations, that's what they're good at. They are not good at marketing and commercialization. Go find a commercial partner. Give them the rights to the Diamond League. Let them then and give them the remit. Here's what you need to do. And it's got to be a commercial for-profit organization. Like the FIA doesn't run Formula One. Liberty has to deliver a profit eventually.”

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  21. “I don't know that I would. I mean, we could just pick anyone in this building. They might be a better challenge thrower than me, but that's my sport, right? There's so many different sports than one. So it's very difficult to market it. It's very difficult to bring new fans into it. If you were to just create a sport from scratch today, you wouldn't do it the way this sport has been built.”

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  22. “Things all arguably different sports because I'm an icon in the sport, okay, as a sprinter. If all of us went out to say throw javelins, I probably wouldn't win. You probably would”

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  23. “It was Chuck and Phil. But at the professional level, nobody knows who any of the other professional athletes are. The professional level of track and feel is dismal. It's just the athletes struggle to make a living. People don't know who they are. And the sport hasn't, and this is one of the things I have a problem with with Sev, is that not being innovative with the sport when it comes to the professional side of it. The sport hasn't changed in forever. It's not fit for these times where, you know, when you look at what people are interested in, you're just not going to find, you're going to struggle to find a person who you can convert in, not a diehard fan. Die hard fans are fine watching people run to 10,000 meters in 26 minutes. Equally watching sprinters run the 100 meters in, you know, ten, seven for the women, you know, and equally shop putters and disco stores and javelin and jumpers and all of those different things.”

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  24. “That's a funny one. So going back to the first point you made The only reason it's not existential is because it's still the number one Olympic sport. If there was no Olympics, there would be no track and field anymore. For years, it kept finding a new bottom. You thought, okay, we've hit rock bottom. Now we can go a little bit further down because, but it's never going to go away. Because of the Olympics. Every four years, people love it. Look, Olympic Track and Field, World Championship Championship Track and Field is amazing. We just had world championships in America last summer. Amazing. Championship Track and Field is great. Doesn't really need any changes. It's great at the college level, great at high school level, school level. In America, biggest participatory sport in America for kids.”

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  25. “I mean, you have to be. People will say, you know, subs too political. Well, you got to be political to be in that job. So I get that. But at the same time, Some of the rhetoric gets a little bit too, let's not just pat ourselves on the back for what we've done, you know, kind of thing, you know, get it done Get”

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  26. “But that's the one area, it's at least one area where I think that he has led on it. Lots of other sports federations. I've been disappointed in IOC. And how they treat it, you know, that situation. And I think that Seb has been right on the money on that one. And I think it's been brave. And I think he's done a fantastic job Disagree. I mean, I love that sport. You know, this is my sport. I love it, and I would love to see it. The athletes, the athletes struggle as professionals. And I would love to see the sport in a much better position than it is. And I don't think that Seb has been, I don't think he's been very good in that particular area. And I don't think that he's been quite as straightforward that, hey, here's, you know, what we really need to do. I think he's spent a lot of time making sure that he looks good.”

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  27. “And I sent the metal back. I just didn't, you know, I have always been, I've always been against drugs. I had training partners. I saw how hard they work. They weren't at my level, but they were professionals as well. And I mean, one point, you know, we sat around and we counted up all of the U.S. teams those guys would have been on if all of the people who we know because they tested positive had not been in the sport. Those athletes, these are my training partners. They would have been on World Championship Olympic teams. They got cheated out of that. A shame. I don't know how it feels personally, but I know how it feels. These are some of my best friends.”

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  28. “Yeah, Antonio Petigrew's situation, he had a young son. And I think that his situation was such that he had retired as well. It was well into his retirement, but everyone will remember the Balco drug scandal. He had to testify in a grand jury. And at that point, he had to tell the truth. And he admitted that he had doped. And I think it was too much for him to now have his family know that, you know, all of these things that they were so proud of him for that he had been cheating. And I think it was just too much for him.”

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  29. “Yeah, I mean, we were competitors like three days. It's always like, you know, by the time we get to the relay, three days earlier, we were bitter rivals, you know, but we miraculously come together for the relay in.”

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  30. “Going to know. Kind of like saying, you know, we're all in society, so we know who the criminals are. People don't do crimes in the day, you know, in the light. They don't go in, they certainly certainly don't tell other people. And in this case, even more so, I'm his competitor. I'm one of his main rivals. He's certainly not going to tell me, Michael, you remember that one time I beat you? He did beat me one time. Remember that one time I beat you? Well, I was really on drugs, so that's the only reason. You're not going to tell me that. Not going to know.”

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  31. “Yeah, look, so that's a good question because a lot of people, I think it's another misconception is that people believe that if you're in the sport,”

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  32. “He later committed suicide. And there you go. Again, this is another not easy choice. I don't like the idea that people fling around these accusations that all of the athletes are cheating. Most of them are cheating I don't think when an athlete makes the decision to cheat that it's that easy. I think it's a very difficult because look, I remember the moment that I got my medals and my family's all there, my mother, my father, my brother, my sister, they're so proud. If I knew that something that they didn't know. Knew that this isn't really real. I'm really not this good. That would be difficult. And I think that, you know, Antonio Petigroup, a sad story, and I was very angry with him after that because I was at that point, I think eight years into my retirement. And so I was a 13-time Olympic and world champion.”

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  33. “I mean, look, I never let that bother me. I mean, literally, if your criteria or your judgment for who's on drugs and who's not is based on who's running fast, I mean, come on, the objective of our sport is to run fast. That's not going to work. You're running too fast. Come on. I mean”

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  34. “Yeah, then I could do all of my events like backwards, forwards. I could do a freestyle. And yeah, and get a whole bunch more medals. Same event, just do it a different way.”

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  35. “Somebody's going to have to make a decision, and nobody wants to make a decision because they know that the decision is not going to satisfy everyone. And there are loud voices on both sides that will come after you.”

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  36. “Where a lot of the complexity comes out when you look at some of the court cases, the Castor Sermony court case, World Athletics did a lot of work that the court of arbitration of sport asked them to do if they were going to actually set these standards. And when the scientific studies come back, you look at the court case and you see that, you know, there's a lot of holes that can be poked even into the science. And where it keeps coming back to is Interpretation of the science. And, well, are you sure? Are you sure? No. Who's going to be able to be sure? Can't be sure. And that's a problem because you can't really be sure. So ultimately someone is going to have to make a decision, whether it's the sports bodies themselves or whether it's the courts if it gets that far again.”

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  37. “It's not that I don't want to have a view. I would love to have a view, but I don't because I just don't think that there's an easy solution, you know, just saying, hey, you know what? We're going to cap it here. It's based on what we're at a point where the change is happening so quickly. And two things can be right at the same time. And that's a problem that most people don't believe that anymore, but just don't have that perspective. But two things can be right at the same time. You know, everyone deserves access to sport. Yeah. And also at the same time, you got to try to make sure that it's fair because sport is based on fairness. How you do that is going to be extremely complex. And right now you have this situation with regard to these different levels.”

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  38. “And people want things very quickly. I want solutions quickly. I want everything really fast. And I expect everything to be able to be distilled down into a very simple narrative. And boom, that's all I got time for. Just give me the headline. So they also expect that they're on any really complex problems. All of the problems are very simple. That's not true. This is an extremely complex problem. And there's no easy solution. Whatever the solution is at the end of the day, whatever it's going to be, it's not going to satisfy everybody. There is no solution that's going to make everybody happy. This is extremely complex. I don't have the answer. I'm extremely pleased that I'm not the one that has to try to come up with the answer because it is a very difficult situation. And yeah, there is no simple answer.”

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  39. “It is going through a rough time. Here's my position on that. We live in a time where most people look at things very binary. This is right. This is wrong. And if this is right, that means the other side has to be wrong.”

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  40. “And not realizing that if you don't vote, that could be a vote for the worst candidate. You just get to pick the best. The worst, if that's the way you look at it, but you got to pick.”

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  41. “Yeah, too many of them that don't vote. But some actively don't vote. Some people, it's access to voting. It's difficult. Some people are registered, you know, you'll have people, I'm a registered Republican, but Donald Trump, I just can't see myself voting for him. He's distasteful. I think he's dangerous, but I'm not going to vote. For Biden. I mean, I spoke at universities, helped trying to help Hillary Clinton get elected back in 2016. And young people were saying, you know, I don't like you, the candidate. And they thought that they should be able to have the perfect candidate in order to vote. And I was trying to explain then. And I saw it happening then that this generation, they believed that they're deserving of the perfect candidate.”

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  42. “But then my question would be But which one is more dangerous to society? Which one is more dangerous to our country? And, you know, because there are those people who don't vote.”

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  43. “I would like to see a scenario where, because I wouldn't disrespect that person just on the surface, you know, sort of premise that, well, you voted for Trump and I don't like him. Because I think that's a part of the problem. I wouldn't be able to respect that person because of their reasons in most cases. So I would like to hear a reason. Someone votes for Trump. Well, we just disagree. I still respect you, but we just disagree. I'm sure there probably is one.”

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  44. “Yeah, they completely. And I think that, yeah, and they're being brazen now in it because of Trump. You know, if you can get all the way up to the presidency, you know, the most powerful man in the world being openly racist.”

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  45. “No, no, I'm just thinking, you know, I never thought about it that way, defiance can be, you know, for good. Or it can be for bad”

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  46. “There's defiance on that side as well. But it is. It's different. It's, how would I put it? A tough one. That's a tough one.”

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  47. “I hate to keep going on a sides thing because it is polarizing in itself. But there's no other way to put this. I think we do on our side because what we're trying to do is fight for, look, change happens. Change happens.”

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  48. “So, the thing is with business, I can figure out given the challenge, what's required to overcome the challenge. In politics, yeah, I would have no clue. I think it would be better than you think. I would have no clue as to what the, and it changes. And it's, it's.”

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  49. “I've always been intrigued with business. And so I always knew when I finished my athletic career, I would be an entrepreneur. I would build companies. And it's very straightforward, you know, it's very straightforward. And that's what I like, you know. But I know what the challenge is. And I know what's required of me to actually, I don't care how big it is, but I know kind of it's pretty straightforward.”

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  50. “No, I was talking, I was in South Africa once. Speaking with your former boss, we were having dinner, Tony, and I said, I just don't see how anybody could do that. He says, because he said the same thing, you should go into politics. I was like, I don't see how anybody could do that. I couldn't. And he explained, you know, sort of, hey, you know, here's how it works. And, you know, yeah, you got to give up some things to get some things. And you might have to, you know, and that's just kind of the way it works. And I was like, yeah, that doesn't sound like me.”

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