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  1. And I use this example in my forthcoming book you go into a countryside, a mountainside, and you see a blank canvas on an easel. And one kind of mentality goes, this is, it's just a blank canvas. This is stupid. This is what am I looking at? And the other type goes, what a great opportunity. I'm in this beautiful space. I have this entire canvas to paint. I could do anything I want with it. So I am very much of that type two person. And I hope others start to think of life in that way. You and I have both been more successful than we expected to, especially growing up. And in ways we did not expect. And when you're young, you are so intent on driving the car. And after a certain point, you realize it's not about driving the car. It's being a surfer that you can only control this little board and you have no idea where the waves will take you. And sometimes you're going to fall down and sometimes really going to suck and you're going to swallow some salt water. But at a certain point, you

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  2. I'm a Camus person, so I'll give the Kamus answer. So there's two types of people. Those who know how to use binary, no. Thanks for.

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  3. Is the camera right now focused on at the time Kim Jong-il, now Kim Jong-un? And I can do just this a little bit. And I go, behind that guy who you think is funny clown, there's millions of dead people. There's children being starved. There's people who are performing because they have a gun to their kids' head. And if someone put a gun to your kid's head, you'd put on those dancing shoes real quick. and others have managed to change the conversation about North Korea in terms of look at those silly buffoons to those poor people. So the fact that that little thing I can say with a straight face I did doesn't make me a great person, but it does make me someone who, if I have to go tomorrow, I can say I did a little bit to make the world a better place.

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  4. So, when I set out to write it, I'm like, okay, what can I do? I'm not going to be able to liberate the North Korean regime. What I can do.

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  5. Oh, that's my sister's husband. Okay. So here's why I strongly believe, and this is a very kind of Jewish perspective, that you just have to leave the world a little bit better than you found it, that all you could do is move the needle a little. And one of the things I set out to do with Dear Reader, my book on North Korea, I said to, I was at a point in my career where I could do something to make a difference instead of just writing co-authoring books with celebrities, which I'm very proud of, but are neither here nor there. And I thought, all right, I know how to tell stories. I know how to inform people. I know how to entertain people. If I move the needle in America, who cares? We got it really good here. If I move the needle in North Korea a little bit, the cost benefits through the roof.

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  6. No, you know, Rand had this quote about how I won't die, the world will end. So I've had enough experiences that I am, I'm really at this point and everything's icing on the cake.

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  7. A lot, especially now that I'm an uncle, especially now that I have like these younger people that I mentor. I was just yesterday, my friend John Gurgas who did my theme song for my podcast, who did the book cover for Dear Reader, who's like the most talented person I know. His song came on, The iPod at the gym. And I almost messaged him. I go, you know, one day one of us is going to bury the other and it's going to be really sad. And I thought about that. And it was kind of like, oh, man, that's really going to suck. And, you know, I don't know which scenario would be better. Like, I don't, I will be very sad if he's gone. I'm sure he'll be very sad if I'm gone.

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  8. No, this is counter signaling. Thaddeus Russell's book, A Renegade History of the United States. His thesis is that it's the degenerates that give us all freedom and things like prostitutes, things like madams, things like slaves, things like immigrants. Because they were so low status, they could get away with things that then people who are higher status demanded and so on and so forth. So I think that thesis and really has extreme consequences in thinking. No, Jonathan Height, the righteous mind, those are the four

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  9. Every level. Fountainhead's a better novel. Fountainhead's superfluous if you read Atlas Shrugged first. Fountainhead's about psychology and ethics. It does not have to do with her politics other than its implications. So it's by far the superior book. The third one, ooh, this is a good one question. Let me see. There's so many good books out there that I love. I am going to, this is not really my third choice, but I'll throw it out there because this is such an important worldview, especially for people on the right.

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  10. No, and if you read Atlas Shrugged before reading the Fountainhead, you're doing yourself enormous disservice, don't you dare do it?

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  11. Does he have a race thing? No, the alt right doesn't particularly like him in many ways because he's not a big on the race thing. I don't know what would be his most controversial view, to be honest. I think because he is radical in terms of his analysis of culture, anytime someone's a radical, that is dangerous

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  12. I agree with him that politics has to be looked at objectively and without kind of an emotional connection to different schools. I talk about him a lot in my book on the new right. Disagree. I don't think a military coup is a good idea. He doesn't think anarchism is stable. I disagree. I mean, me and him, I did his live stream with him. We just dorked out a lot about history and people who fallen in the memory hole. So, I mean, he's got a lot of writing.

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  13. I don't know that you would enjoy having a conversation with him. I think a lot of people enjoy seeing it happen, but I think there'd be a lot of talking past each other and it would be interesting

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  14. They're very long and verbose, but I think he's an amazing thinker He's the one who had the idea of sending the tanks to Harvard Yard.

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  15. The Machiavellians by James Burnham. This is a book about how politics works in reality as opposed to how people imagine it working. Mentius Moldbug, who's a figure in these circles, who's respected by a lot of people, I was giving a talk and there was a bunch of panelists and we were asked, what book would you recommend? I said the Machiavellians, independently of me, that was the book he had recommended. It's out of print. It's hard to find, but that would be one.

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  16. And I perceive them as literally animals. So when a dog starts barking, All it's saying is that the dog is agitated, and this is not going to change my life one iota other than crossing the street, perhaps.

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  17. Not necessarily. It could be that he's not a fraud, you really are It's not resonating with you because your brain knows the logic. So you can't trade yourself.

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  18. Very heavy Aggressive banality, I block immediately. I also think time is going to help. I don't think you're like, you grew up wanting to be a podcaster, right? That wasn't your aspiration. So in some sense, you are going to feel like a fraud because you're like, I don't have any training for this. I have training for scientists. I can talk to you about artificial intelligence for literally hours. But in terms of this, what I'm doing, I'm kind of, so when they call you a fake, it's like, yeah, you're kind of right. Because I did kind of stumble into this. And this is not my pedigree. So I think that kind of probably speaks to you on some level.

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  19. Short, but I would ask myself Is this person in a position to make this judgment or are they backing it up? Are they saying here your conclusions were wrong? Here's some mistakes in your data and you can engage with them with ideas. But whenever someone uses a word to entirely dismiss your life without having the knowledge of your life, you do not have to take that seriously.

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  20. And I don't know that I have any advice, but when you hear something like this, I think you need to be better in terms of boundaries. I think you should not perceive this as a fellow human, but as a crazy homeless person because if this fellow human, if I thought that you were a fraud in some context, that's a very weird word to use because fraudulent podcaster, these are real mics.

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  21. Okay, well, let me help you. Maybe it's because I'm a New Yorker. No, I'm serious. Here's why. In New York, a lot of times you'll be walking with your friend and a homeless person will come up to you and start yelling things that you. Your reaction isn't in those circumstances. Let me hear this out. Your reaction is physical safety and getting her way. Now, it's not impossible that that homeless person is actually saying the truth. This happened to a friend of mine. This guy wasn't homeless and he's walking down the street on Smith Street and he's just talking out loud and it goes, why they call them hipsters? What are they hip to? And she chuckles. And it goes, What are you laughing at fatzo? You start something, I'll finish it And she just couldn't move And it's like, is my rate a problem? Because that's the first thing he went to.

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  22. The issue is whenever people are given a weapon, some are going to use it. In nefarious ways. And that's the lesson of history males, males, females, whites, blacks, children, adults. When people are given a mechanism to execute power over others, some are going to use it.

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  23. I had one eater Broderick on my show, and hearing her talk about her alleged rape by Bill Clinton was very disturbing for me. Very disturbing to hear because it was like half an hour. So, you know, we think of these things and think, okay, hold her down, blah, blah. And then it's done. Half an hour when just even someone physically holding you down for half an hour. Like not even a sexual assault. Think am I going? Your brain's going to think, am I going to die?

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  24. Talk to me. I do think that that's important. And I also think it's important, though, like when things get kind of in a frenzy that a lot of people like, yeah, I also had something happen. And very quickly, the line between he grabbed my boob and he violently raped me. I don't think these two things are the same at all. I think they're both sexual assault. But in terms of what someone can deal with the next day, the next month, 10 years later, I don't think there's similar scenarios.

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  25. And she wanted to kill herself because she's like, people are going to see these things and they're going to think maybe there's some truth to it. Maybe it's voluntary. And you can understand why she'd be suicidal over this. So yeah, this is something that's been going on for a long time. And the fact that it's becoming, I do agree it's important. I know a lot of women who have been sexually assaulted more than I'm happy that I know. And if I know that many, that means there's more. So I don't, I think it's a good idea that they feel seen, that they don't feel wounded, they don't feel damaged, that they can talk to their friends. And I'm like, man, this sucks this happened to you. And I don't think you're a slut. I don't think you're asking for it. I think you feel violated. I think it's gross.

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  26. That happened. Can I interrupt? There's Zor Neil Hurston is one of my favorite writers. She's from the Harlem Renaissance. She wrote, Their eyes are watching God, a couple other books. She was just an amazing, amazing figure. Her biography is called Wrapped in Rainbows. It's just a masterpiece. I think I read it one day. Kent recommend her enough. Fascinating, fascinating woman. During the 30s, I think it was, or 1940, she was out of the country. She was accused of molesting a teenage boy. She wasn't in America. This could be proven. So it's absolutely false. Not even a question. She was indicted.

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  27. No, he denied the charges. There's an article around everything you did, supposedly, and it goes, Mr. Friedman denied the charges. Yeah.

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  28. You wouldn't know it if you had, right? That's the thing. A lot of these creepy guys don't think they're creepy, they think they're being cute.

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  29. It's about submission. I think you'd be very happy to know that there's a lot of people, and she's very crucified with this, like Betsy DeVos, who wins the Department of Education, who are aware of this. They are aware that this completely contradicts due process. They're aware of how a rape accusation is something not to be taken seriously. But because it's not to be taken seriously, it has to be also taken seriously in other contexts that once that word is around a male, this can ruin his entire life.

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  30. A lot of times what people don't realize, and this will be my defensive cancel culture, a lot of times when someone gets fired over something like this, this isn't why. This is just giving them cover to get rid of them without getting a lawsuit.

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  31. You don't think you should be afraid that someone who's trying to be specific when it comes to charges of violent assault is looking for that clarity, can get their life other searches.

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  32. I believe you. I agree with you. I don't think it's going to take much persuasion, but I'll give you an example. I'm sure you know more details about this than I do. When that scientist engineered that probe to land on that comet and the articles written because this Hawaiian shirt he was wearing had like pinup girls on it, which I think his female student sewed frame or something was his ex-girlfriend. And he had to apologize. This is what Rand was talking about. That the great accomplishments of men have to say, I'm sorry to the lowest, most despicable, disgusting people.

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  33. Apprentice, that's the word I was looking at. Which is ironic. We're talking about Trump and we couldn't think of the word apprentice.

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  34. Can't have these engineers building new things. That's crazy. These research engineers, where they're going to be building things?

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  35. If they were in students, they were all mentor, like, what's the opposite of a mentor Protege, what's the term when you like when you work at a place, like interns, not an intern, something where I'm thinking of. But anyway, basically, they're working there instead of going to college there

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  36. Actually, you just defeat your own argument because it is not at all have to be the way that a phenomenal research institution like MIT, which no one disputes, has to also be an educational establishment. These two things are not at all necessarily interconnected.

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  37. Listen, my Soviet brother, you both know, we both know that ice water runs in our veins. So if you're calling for mercy, that is not how I'm wired, but I'm not closing the door.

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  38. You see the tanks coming, they're coming legs. It's going to be so beautiful. The American beauty, the plastic bag. I just won't be able to stop crying because it'll be so beautiful.

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  39. Yeah, he's like, oh, this is an existential threat to America. Trump's a fascist. He's delegitimizing the Oval Office. I said, what odd endorsement of Trump?

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  40. All of them. Every university, as you know Has it mandatory in the curriculum, they have to take a bunch of these propaganda classes.

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  41. Nonsensical. When I was at Buck A college student, we had to take, you know, we had a bunch of electives, and I wanted to take a class on individual American individualism. One of the texts of the five that we had to read was birth of a nation, the movie about the clan. So there's no department where these people are not thoroughgoing, hardcore ideologues. It's not a gender speaker.

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  42. One kid, it's an intelligent. It's generation after generation. I'm not a watchful mother. I'm the guy with the flamethrower

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  43. Think they're broken. They're working by design. I think for over 100 years they have been talking about bringing the next generation of American leaders, which is

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  44. It's a way for if you are a lowest status white person using anti racism is the only mechanism you will have to feel superior to another human being. So it's very useful for them. In terms of fighting it, one of my suggestions has been to seize all university endowments, which are the crystallization of privilege and distribute that money as reparations. So be very effective by turning to populations against each other and strongly diminishing the university's intellectual hegemony. The universities are absolutely the real villains in the picture. Thankfully, they're also the least prepared to be aggressed upon. And after the government and the corporate press, they are the last leg of the stool and they don't know what's coming. And it's going to get ugly. And I cannot wait.

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  45. They were like, because they're saying because they're white, they're inherently racist. So, my name's John, I'm a racist, my name's this, I'm a racist. You hear it, and you're like, okay, this is Looning Tunes.

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  46. I think it's Maoism. I mean, the corporate America has done a far better job of implementing Maoism than the Communist Party ever could. You had this meeting not that long ago from, I think it was Northwestern University Law School, where everyone on the call got up and said that they were racist. I mean, this is something that legally you should be very averse to saying even if it were true. And this kind of concept of getting up and confessing your sins before the collective is something completely.

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  47. I'm going to talk a lot about the Cold War. So this kind of stuff has largely fallen away from my radar to some extent. And they've also been, it's been a very effective movement to get them marginalized and silenced.

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  48. Not that much anymore. I think they've there. I don't find it particularly as, now that the book's done, I'm looking more into history for my next book. You mentioned.

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  49. They call themselves now. So, okay, so there's something called the dissident right, and they say we're completely not like the alt right because the alt rights A, B, and C, and we're B, C, D. There's a huge overlap. It's very much the same people.

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  50. So the term has been weaponized by the corporate press for people that they want to read out of society. So it's used both on individual levels, like people like Gavin McGingus, Milo Yiannopoulos, some others. I mean, I think they refer to Trump as alt-right. And it's become a slur just like incel or bot that has become largely removed from its original meaning.

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