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Michael Pfleger

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  1. “Going to be a lot of pain. Brothers and sisters, and there's going to be a lot of tears. And I tell you what, what keeps me going when I see the tears and see the pain and get overwhelmed is I go to a playground or I go in my school and I see a little child and I see all their dreams and excitement and their laughter. And I say, we've got to keep going because that child deserves to reach his or her dreams. And we got to do what we got to do to make it happen”

    2016-08-29 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 75 - Fr. Michael Pfleger · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  2. “But we plant the trees, somebody else is going to eat fruit off of, and it's okay. I don't have to see it. I just know it's going to happen because I'm going to do my part. We each got to do our part with the belief and the absolute understanding this will change if we all do our part. And I know I'm going to have a piece of the puzzle and the change. And we all are.”

    2016-08-29 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 75 - Fr. Michael Pfleger · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  3. “And we got to move back to that point. I think that our books of faith teach us this is a marathon race. So David or Mike Carey, the baton for now. And I do everything I can. I might not see peace where a child's not afraid to go to school in my day, but I do everything I can in my day. So down the line, some child is not going to be afraid to go to school because I did my part. We've got to rebuild a society that cares about the long term and not what I see right now. Sure, we want some wins now.”

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  4. “You know, first I gotta say, you know, I'm a person of faith, so I'm a prisoner of hope. I believe with all my heart, soul, and mind, that truth wins. Love wins, peace wins, justice wins. I never questioned that for a moment. They win and we got to keep holding on to that and not compromising that and not giving in to the fact of feeling like I can't win. But I also think we got to live with what Dr. King so taught us all. And I think the scriptures and the Torah and the Quran, I think, teach us. We live today in this really selfish, self-centered society where we've got to see things change now. We got to see it fixed now. We got to see how we can handle this now.”

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  5. “I think we're going to have the tipping point whether it's Blair Hold or Terrell Bosley or Tyshan Lee or whoever we just get to another level. That was to me one of the lowest of lowest. Years ago, I was chaplain when I was in the seminary for the county jail. You couldn't go to jail and have killed a child your life was at risk in that jail. It was a code of ethics in the jail. Some things you just didn't do. And now it's okay on the street. So, you know, we put out the rewards, we try to get people to come forward and talk. And we're seeing some of it, but there's a lot of fear and there's a lot of people just paralyzed by we can't change it, so we just got to live with it. And when we get to that point and we feel we got to live with this We've lost, it's over with. Everybody.”

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  6. “Well, that's why it's so important that we rebuild this bridge. Because if people don't trust the police, they're never going to talk. I've had a number we put out, you know, rewards of $5,000 for something to come forward information. And we probably given out $23,000, $24 them over the last 10 or 11 years. But oftentimes it's a person coming to the church and giving the information and trying with the police officer there, say, feels like they don't want to go to the police state or they don't want their name being put out there on the street. There's fear, and I understand the fear. I understand the fear of cold silence in the police department. I understand it in the street. It's the reality. But fear is either going to polarize us and consume us with fear, or it's going to motivate us to say, let's do something about it because that nine-year-old boy, 8-year-old boy, Taishan Lee, executed in an alley. And I keep wondering, when's the tipping point saying, you know what? The community says enough.”

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  7. “Calling you an MF. Now that anger hits and that you have these explosive situations. I believe, and I've been saying this, David, for the last three years, and every one of our schools, private parochial public from preschool to senior in high school, we should be teaching conflict resolution, and we should also be teaching it in the police department so that we are taught different ways to handle it. Because we live in a society that look what's going on in the election. Right. You know, we live in a society that's very hostile and very mean.”

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  8. “And I know particularly in Illinois the governor here has wiped out all those kind of resources and now you don't have those means and those support systems, those safety networks. Plus, you have broken communities and fractured communities and you have the people in a rage. People are angry. I watch people come into our church office sometimes, just mad and angry and cussing. It's got to try to de-escalate them. And my office secretary has to de-escalate them as much as possible and to try to talk because people are angry. You're angry when you're poor. You're angry when you feel you have no hope. You're angry when you don't what you're going to have nothing to eat today or nothing to feed your family. So that anger bursts out, particularly if something's coming, but if somebody's coming to you and then treating you unfairly or walking out of a car.”

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  9. “It's gotten harder because the reality is, in least in the state of Illinois, and I'm sure it's other states in the country, where you've had all these budget cuts, so the resources for counseling, the resources for mental health, the resources for support are gone, have been wiped out.”

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  10. “Absolutely, there has been some of the bargaining agreements on police, not just in Chicago, but places around this country, have them some of the most protective people. We were talking about this the other day. I was on a radio show and talking about the fact that, you know, a lawyer, a doctor can be fined. They have to take out a license and they have, you know, they can be fined for breaking their code of ethics. But we don't have that for the priest. There's been a lot of covering up of that. And I think there has been an approach that in rough communities where there's violence, you come out rough. And I think we got to do a retraining.”

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  11. “And I think that's going to have, it does two things, David. I think number one is it sends a message to all police. Do this kind of stuff, you're going to be fired. This is not going to be towered under my regime. There's no cover up going on under this. On the other hand, it sends a message to the community, I'm going to hold bad police accountable. So we can't begin to come to the table to build the bridge if there has not been accountability on both sides. What I scream and howler all the time is that if you shoot and kill somebody in Chicago, whether you are a cop or you are a brother on the corner, you have to go to jail. So we have to have that accountability that's going to be on both sides. And until there's an even playing field, we can't sit down and”

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  12. “Over the country. Exactly. Yeah. This is not an American issue we got to deal with. Chicago, but it is, we got to deal with it here in Chicago. And I think one of the things that Eddie Johnson is seeking to do is to say my watch, this is not going to be towered. You know, he just today, you know, is releasing firing of some police officers”

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  13. “Yeah, I mean, the budget is horrible. We're short on police, but we're also spending an awful lot of money on settlements because of police brutality. Right. That I think we have to wake up to. But I think what Eddie Johnson is doing in Chicago, and it has happened across this country, is that people are not going to begin to try to, every time you try to build that bridge and another video comes out of, another Paul Neo in Chicago a couple weeks ago shot in the back, unarmed.”

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  14. “Whether it was from slavery, whether it was civil rights, the police, the Bull Connors, and the police in this country, they enforced segregation. They enforced racism. That was their job to enforce the culture of the land of that time and the laws of segregation and racism. So we jump forward and we still have a culture of racism in America. And you can't just tell the police department now we could change all this culture overnight. There has to be a retraining. There has to be a reprogramming of how we police. And I said, you know, we can talk to community policing is the new form, but that isn't often what police officers have been trained to do on the streets. Right.”

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  15. “Brutality, yeah. And here we are, except now everybody has a camera on them, and now it's becoming visual. And I think that the other part of it is I think that because there was so much... Not being done about the brutality, you know, we had the Burge cases of torture by police here in Chicago and the rest, I think, that was going on for so long that now the exposing of it has people said, you know what? Enough. And it's still going on. And I think part of that developed a culture in the department that it was acceptable because they knew it was the way police work was done on a lot with a lot of police officers and a lot of police commanders. It was an acceptable way of policing at that time. Also, we got to remember, though, law enforcement has always been the enforcer of the worst of things.”

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  16. “Absolutely. I think I've never seen the relations between law enforcement and community worse than I see them right now across the board, not just what young people, but with adults, with elders. There's this total mistrust. I think part of that has been, like you said, things have been going on for years, but now I always say I wrote my first content.”

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  17. “And I'm crazy as it may sound, the NRA's marketing has done, they've been very successful. People in America on the street or in middle class think a gun is going to make them safer. They think that even though every statistic says it doesn't. So guns have become the way we handle our business in America, not on the street, and particularly in poor areas. Guns make you give you power. They give you a sense of respect. And now they become a sense of protection. There are kids who hide guns in bushes on their way to public school, to high school, and pick them up afterwards so they can go home.”

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  18. “Yeah, exactly where we're done. We talk about post-traumatic stress people coming back from war. What about post-traumatic stress of people who live in war zones? It's a reality. I can go to high school after high school and now I can go to grammar schools and talk six, seventh, eighth grade and say, how many in here could get a hold of a gun in the next hour? And every place, 90% will raise their hands that he could get a hold of one. Guns are so easy access. They're so able for everybody. And it becomes the protection on the street. So now brothers will tell me, you know, why would you carry a gun? Because everybody else got one. I got to be safe. And then people are shooting each other where they used to talk or have fist fights. Now they shoot because I think if you got a gun and I got a gun and we're in an argument, I'm going to pull mine before you pull yours. I'm going to be the last man standing. That's the mentality.”

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  19. “It's also, I think, a place where. We talked earlier about 50 years ago, almost to the data of Dr. King talking about segregation, we still have segregation in Chicago. We still have neighborhoods that have been neglected and abandoned in Chicago. And those are just realities. And so it creates, so, and then you have different today than I've ever seen in my life is the gun issue and the proliferation of guns.”

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  20. “Drug is certainly part of it because it's the economy which still hires people when nobody can get a job. So the drug trade is real.”

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  21. “Get another car back in the block. And one kid opens his mouth and he says to me, I get it. I say what you're saying. I say what you're telling me. I understand. But you got to understand something, Mike. He just may look garbage. This may look like nothing but abandoned and throwaway buildings. But this is all we got. So I hold on to what we got. And it was an awakening for me. So you fight over the little you have. And then you hold on to that because at least it's something. And so street cred and money.”

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  22. “Come on in the car, I'm going to buy you lunch, but you got to take a ride first. I took him downtown and pulled up in front of City Hall. And I said, get out of the car, I asked the cop, give me just five minutes. Got him out of the car. I said, See this here? This is City Hall. They're making the decisions about your block. And I said, across the street, that state of Illinois, they get money and they give it to City Hall, and then they make decisions of what's going to happen in your block. I said, this is what you want to fight over. City Hall and the state of this is what you want to fight over. Silence all the way back home. We got a McDonald's. We go back home.”

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  23. “And now people's identity comes from what they do on Facebook or what they do on the street. So you get street cred. You get street respect. It may be for a week or two weeks or somebody else shoots somebody or shoots at somebody. And then they're they're the new person. When you have nothing going for you, your identity, your self-esteem, your respect on the street comes from the crazy stuff and a lot of it is violence. I took some guys from a gang one day who had this one block that this they were shootin' and killing over this block on Marshfield. I picked four guys up. I said, let's drive down this block. We drive down and we look left and right. I said, tell me everything you think about boarded up house, emptied lot, garbage for sale, abandoned building. I said, oh, this is what you're fighting over.”

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  24. “Wasting your time thinking you're going to be NBA player. Then we all thought we were going to be rappers. And he said, Well, there's not too many commons and Lupe Fiasco. This is not going to happen. He said, but here's one thing everybody can be is a shooter.”

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  25. “So I hear. But I think we're all that organization structure. That's reality in life. What happened with the gangs in Chicago was when you arrested the heads, the gangs like any other family where the heads are gone become fractured and all over the place. And that has escalated in a whole new way that now you have 15 and 16 year olds trying to start their own gang from one block to the next block. Part of the reason though I think that's happened is when you have nothing else going for you, you're not in a good school and you're seeing that, you know, what you want to do, what you want to become, you don't have a job, you have a broken home or broken family, you have a community that looks like a third world country. And when you see this consistent thing, one of the brothers on the street put in a real crazy way to me once about a year and a half ago. He said, you know, one time we all thought we were going to be the next Michael Jordan. Everybody told us, hey, there's only a few Michael Jordans.”

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  26. “Corporate structures, yeah. You know, I always tell people everybody has gangs. You know, church is gangs, denominations are gangs, Democrats are gangs, Republicans, everybody's wanting some kind of group. I've been accused of accused of accus”

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  27. “Vary, but I think people have to understand the levels of gangs. You know, when people think of somebody's in Mike Flager or David Axelbott are considered gang members, it can be because you're really heavy into the gang life or it can be because you just live in a certain area. If you live in a certain area in my community at Fall Star Park, you're a stone. You live over there and another block in carpenter, you're a BD. You live over this area. You're a GD. You over this area, you're a killoward. You're a Visord. You're a Smashfield. So where you live, you have to be that almost to go home. So it may be on the loose fringe, but you're identified to that because that's how you survive. Very few just leave them alone. He's not nothing because he just lives over here. He goes to school. That doesn't happen so much anymore.”

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  28. “Think it's a combination of things. I think, first of all, there are some of the realities that create the perfect storm. And you look at the 9 or 10 communities where the most violence takes place in Chicago, you'll see a consistent thing, double-digit unemployment, underperforming or underfunded schools, most people coming back from prison to those neighborhoods with nothing but a bus card and $20. You'll see the lack of economic development. the lack of options. If Mike Flagger is a gangster disciple and says today, I want to change my life. Where do I go by calling 911? We don't have options for them to get out except lock them up.”

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  29. “All the time, all the time where somebody, and you know, and I don't say, you know, well, some of the innocent people shot, but that happens all the time. But I don't want anybody to be shot. I don't want anybody to be killed.”

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  30. “And actually, it was put out of his house because he would no longer sell drugs because he turned his life around, got him in another school, was tutoring, just watched his whole life change. And the straight boulders and people running down the street showed his back. It wasn't even.”

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  31. “I've seen the violence continually to growing and the impact it was having on lives of prisoners, lives of people in my community. In 1998, I lost a foster son to violence. I finished in a wedding at four o'clock on a Saturday afternoon. And somebody was running in a church and says, hey, Father Mike, Jarvis just got shot in 79th in Carpenter. And I go running down the street. And he's laying there bleeding from the neck. So I'm talking to him and trying to hold the blood in his neck to the ambulance gets there. That was Saturday afternoon and he died on Monday morning. Made it very personal to me in a whole new way. I've seen this young man turn his whole life around and now he's a little”

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  32. “And prostitution evaporated and the strip of racing in literally two months because we reached out and cared for him and offered an alternative. The community came with the needs and then we said how are the creative ways we can respond to it? And I think that then we try to say how do we spread this beyond our community in Chicago to other neighborhoods, whether it was drug paraphernalia, whether it was a concept of prostitution, whether it was bad stores, whether it was alcohol and tobacco targeting minors, whatever it was. And now, of course, the violence, which is the primary issue in Chicago and its country.”

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  33. “Whether it was from we had liquor stores that were selling to miners and four and five on a block and we did our whole campaign against selling alcohol to miners. The stores that were just serving the community by high prices and outdated food, we started our operation empowerment to have people from the church trained to go in and inspect 60 stores in our neighborhood. So we said to the community, tell us what you need and then how we can serve you and then try to work at that in the community. And there was a big issue of prostitution that everybody was calling me, you need to have these prostitutive arrests. You need to have the police on this police on that. And I was part of that until one day I get convicted. What did Jesus do with the prostitute? He didn't call the Pharisees, he reached out to them and we started our outreach program to the prostitutes paying for their time and saying how we can help them.”

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  34. “I think it's been difficult because of the climate of the world we lived in. When after I became past, we had a series of these over the years we call town hall meetings with the community. What's the issues of the community that we need to be focused on?”

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  35. “God, I think it's the best thing that's happened to the church. I thank God I lived long enough to see Francis come in. I hope somebody's testing his food every day because there's a whole element in the Catholic Church, you know, that wants him out and bishops that speak against negative about him all the time. But he's come in, I think, not just. Know not just brought fresh air, he's revived the spirit of what the church is all about and this care for the poor, this care for justice, this whole tone instead of being condemning to be inviting and welcoming and compassionate. And he's just brought a great, great gift of hope to the Catholic. But I think he's also on a global figure of putting poverty and how we treat one another on a front burner for the world.”

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  36. “Yeah, we've been able to, I believe that one of the reasons that is, is that I think people really are looking for the church that Relevant to the times and seeks to make a difference in the community at large. You know, you go back to the civil rights movement with Dr. King and you see the 60s. Church was very involved. You saw nuns and priests involved and Muslims and Jews and all of whether Selma, whether it's Montgomery. And then the church became this very conservative sort of mainstream corporate entity. And I think a lot of people left the church and a lot of young people weren't coming to church because the church was no longer that voice or that prophetic voice of change and relevancy to the world.”

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  37. “I go by who shows up on a given Sunday. It's about 2200 and a weekend that comes. But David, my philosophy has always been that when people say how many members do you have, I say the community. Because I believe if we sit there as a tax-exempt building in Chicago in a neighborhood, our responsibility is to serve the whole community. So I look at the whole community as my membership of those who come to church and who have signed up and belong. I look as the boot camp of soldiers.”

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  38. “He did right after he became cardinal. He came to Saint Sabina's and got up in the pulpit and giving a sermon. And at the end of his sermon, I'm sitting there, and here's this whole congregation there, and he says, you know, some people asked me when I was coming to Saint Sabina, and I've come to Chicago, and they said, what are you going to do about Flagger? And he said, I have a philosophy. Give somebody enough rope they'll hang themselves. I'm sitting there like, oh my God, his guy just done my death sentence right here in my own pulpit in front of my people. And there was this silence in the church. But I came to that. That's good because”

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  39. “Mr. Farrakhan, we've had Mandela's wife. I mean, we've had a number of rabbi Marks have been there early years. We had brought in a lot of people to the church that, of course, was very controversial. But he always felt that I was too far to the left. I wasn't Catholic enough. And so he always trying to get me out.”

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  40. “The second one was for something that I said on the Cornell West Tavis Smiley Show. And it was a time when the cardinal was asking me to take over Leal High School as president. Here's the crazy thing about that. He asked me to reflect on it and tell me what I thought about that. I wrote a letter back saying I think it would be a horrible thing. I'm not an educator.”

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  41. “I understood that later. I understood it when within hours afterwards Sean Hannity and O'Reilly and countless others were contacting the church. So that was your first”

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  42. “Right. Since you came in and community organized, I believed him, and I thought he was a gifted, talented young man and was supporting him, supporting the state centers, supporting for U.S. Senator, and was supporting him for president.”

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  43. “Um... Not much different I mean, from what I felt in 2008, I feel that there was two things that bothered me at that time. I think it was one that I did feel that she did feel entitled and that was real to me. The other thing I felt that was, and it was probably more Bill Clinton at the time. But I felt that there was a lot of patronizing being done to Barack Obama. And that angered me. Of course, I believed in him.”

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  44. “Yeah, I didn't either. And that's what I said in that talk. I said, I do not think it was put on. I think it was sincere because I think she did feel this was her election. She was white. She was entitled. She was Bill's wife, and this was hers.”

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  45. “She was white. I felt she felt she was entitled. She was Bill's wife. And I brought up the incident a couple weeks before, remember, she was seen in a, I think it was a coffee shop and she was talking about that and she started crying. And everybody thought it was...”

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  46. “And the person got in the way of the message, and I never denied that, but I said that I felt that she did feel entitled. I felt that she did feel that it was hers.”

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  47. “Right, exactly. So I'm at that church talking on racism at an invited by Otis Moss, who is the pastor at the time to come there And I had just been in a conversation the last two days and red actually an article of a woman who talked about a national syndicated article about Hillary Clinton feeling entitled at that time to the race. So I come into the pulpit and it's still in my mind. I'm talking about races and I'm in my talk. I talk about entitlement. So of course I go off and they make this comment about Hillary.”

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  48. “Yes, except to the point. And you know, it was so crazy because I'm in the pulpit. I've been to Trinity many, many times to speak, so I knew they were at the church.”

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  49. “Yes, I was giving a. You know what's so funny? That's a sermon that I gave. I was asked to come in and speak about racism. And it's actually almost identical talk. He added some new stuff to it as time possesses that I gave the University of Chicago that Michelle Obama had invited me to come to speak there on racism. Except for...”

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  50. “Yeah, but Cardinal George definitely. Yeah, I'm the only priest in the history of the Archdiocese of Chicago that has been suspended twice”

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