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“Their politics will lend itself to that right now at all. And I don't know that it's going to be a national discussion because it's hard to imagine that we're going to all engage in a discussion. But at a moment where everything is so divided, it really and where we have Someone who was gleefully divisive. In the White House. It requires individuals to step up. So, who's going to take the place of creating a uniting force in a city, in a community, in a factory, on a campus? There was a time where we could expect that that uniting sentiment would come from Washington, D.C. From either end of Pennsylvania Avenue. And that is not going to happen That even with there is a change in party in the White House, that may not happen because there will be so much gnashing of teeth.”
2020-02-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 367 — Michele Norris · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I don't have an easy answer for the panacea to this problem, but I know that if you just look across the chasm and say they're crazy, they're mistaken. They're ill-informed. You are not going to win that voter back and you're not going to bring that person to table into any kind of meaningful conversation.”
2020-02-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 367 — Michele Norris · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The fact is that at the factory where he works, you are advantage if you're bilingual and if you want to move into the management class. Because a lot of places now, because of the changing demographics in this country, to be bilingual is to actually be advantage because that's who you're managing. And so”
2020-02-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 367 — Michele Norris · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Because suddenly, wait a minute, the playing field was leveled, you're used to not having to compete against a broader pool of people. And rather than denigrate that, we have to understand that. I mean, you probably will know this because I can't remember the name now, but the famous Yale political theorist who says that politics is about not actual need but perceived need that if that's his perception. That's his reality. And that is something that has to be dealt with rather than dismissing that point of view and saying that they're wrong, they're mistaken in their point of view. That is their reality. And so going back to understand sort of the economic framework that led to that, I mean, Jim, it's easy to dismiss him, but the fact is, the man I just mentioned, you know, I'm white and play the press.”
2020-02-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 367 — Michele Norris · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The social fabric that was created in this country by laws that gave people certain advantages. And that's a history that is not well taught. It's a history that's not well understood. And trying to force feed people that history is really, really difficult. So politically, you know, one of the reasons I postcards like this, you know, Jim and Sloane.”
2020-02-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 367 — Michele Norris · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, you know, when you ask this question, I have all these cards going through my head, like a card sent in by someone. Poor white is the new black. If you go back and you look at the Kerner Commission report, That looked at poverty in America. Many of the indices of poverty or the barriers to opportunity are apparent in rural and exurb in America right now. And so people do feel like this notion of privilege. People think of privilege perhaps as a silver spoon, like your advantage. You're on easy street. You're going through life. Like you're on the highway with an easy toll pass. You know, you just zoom straight ahead. And without a real understanding of the”
2020-02-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 367 — Michele Norris · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And so, when we archive everything, we go through it very carefully and tag everything inside of it for the archive. So when I want to find cards from Arkansas, I can find cards from Arkansas. You've also gone back in the United States.”
2020-02-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 367 — Michele Norris · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, we have archived, we have officially archived a number of them, but we have more than 500,000 that have come in. And when I say officially archived, because it takes us so much time to go through each card, because we realize that this archive long after I'm gone, this archive hopefully will live somewhere and people will be able to come historians, storytellers, journalists, sociologists, and look at the social tree ring that His original source material not filtered by journalists or historians where people talk about their lives and perspectives, their memories, their point of view, their fears, their anxieties, their triumphs, their hopes about race. Arab bracketed by Barack Obama and Donald”
2020-02-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 367 — Michele Norris · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But then very quickly they came in with real punch, you know, reason I ended a sweet relationship. White not allowed to be proud. Grandma sent $100 when we broke up. Did my southern grandpa attend Lynchings? And then you realize, whoa. This is interesting. I can't get people to say that inside Studio 2A at NPR, but they'll put it on a postcard, sign their name, and buy a stamp. Send it to me. And then I realized I have to keep going. And I created a website and then the card started to come in digitally. And then things got really interesting because of social media. So it drifted into a social media space. And then the card started coming in from.”
2020-02-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 367 — Michele Norris · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Too much. People would not sit down and do that and ask them to write a sentence would be not precise enough because they'd write long essays and then try to say it was just a sentence. And so we printed 200 of these postcards and about 30% of them came back. And then I got my publisher to print them. And then I printed them wherever we went. We got to know printers all over the country. If I was in Miami and going to the book fair, I'd print them and I'd leave them and I'd leave them. I leave them in the bookstore, I leave them at the Starbucks, I'd leave them at the hotel. And people took the bait. They actually. The beginning, most of the good number of the cards were sort of fuzzy and aspirational. We call them kind of rainbow and bunny cards. Only one race, the human race. Can't we all just get along, those kinds of things?”
2020-02-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 367 — Michele Norris · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Don't, I had been conditioned to believe that people really don't like to have this conversation. And my publishers were also a little bit concerned. Will people come? Will people actually engage? And I was looking for something that would lubricate the conversation, would make people a little bit more comfortable. And working with my little teeny team at that point that were helping me put the book tour together. and Adrian Kinlock and Melissa Baer who were also helping me put together a book website, not the race car project website, but a book website Decided to print these postcards and ask people to distill their thoughts on race and identity to just six words. Six words because asking them to write a paragraph would be”
2020-02-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 367 — Michele Norris · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I too am astonished because I had no idea that it would become what it has become. I was getting ready to go on tour when I wrote The Grace of Silence in 2010. And I was terrified. About going out into the world and having a conversation about race. Even though I knew I wanted to write a book about race, the original idea was to write a book about how Americans talk and think about race.”
2020-02-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 367 — Michele Norris · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Organization as opposed to a primary source news organization. And we're on at an odd time of the day. So, at all things considered, we were on the air from four to six every day, which is a mid cycle show. So we're not agenda setting like morning edition. And then we're not like the last word. So you have to figure out how are we going to report the story as it's still happening. That's the odd thing about being on the air at four. Often stories are still unfolding. Why you're actually telling the story.”
2020-02-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 367 — Michele Norris · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Because I think important things happen at the edge of the frame. So if you're only focused on the star character, the primary character in the center of the frame, the person who's got holding the lens, who has all the heat, you can miss all the important things that are happening around the edges. And I tried to bring that sensibility to what I did on the radio and really what I do and everything. But in the radio in particular, because it's such an intimate medium. That there's a way to do that. And it's a way to distinguish yourself, but it also is a way to take people inside the story in a different way. I mean, part of what you have to do in an organization like NPR, which Never gets the same respect that the New York Times and Wash. It should, but it doesn't. It's seen as sort of an ancillary news.”
2020-02-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 367 — Michele Norris · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Someone who knows how to get out of the way. That you're a medium You're the vehicle through which that story of vessel for the story. So knowing how to listen. And I think paying attention to the smallest of details that say so much. About the larger story. And I, as a storyteller, there are lots of people who do what I do. And so one of the ways that I've tried to distinguish myself is to look at the edge of the frame.”
2020-02-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 367 — Michele Norris · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And how we all can do that, we all can do that. It costs you nothing. I'm sure Wolf doesn't even remember this. He probably doesn't remember it. I will never forget it.”
2020-02-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 367 — Michele Norris · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And so we were both in television together, supposed to compete against each other, but we were both moving into this at the same time. And under the table, we were holding hands with each other. That's great. And at the end of the day, girl, I had a TV day today and really honest with each other. You need to draw your eyebrows in a little bit more. Or maybe you need a different kind of trench. I mean, we were just really honest.”
2020-02-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 367 — Michele Norris · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Said stop. Breathe. Okay, track. And I started to talk, and he said, No, no, you're talking too fast. Stop. Got through it. I went home and I wept that night and just got up the next day and figured out you have to learn how to do this. You have to figure out find people everybody can teach you something. Got to know the camera crews. Got to know, you know, whoever ran the pool and just figured out I have to learn the, you know, it's not television. I'm carrying around the equivalent of a 2,000 pound pencil and I have to figure out everybody along the way has to help me figure out how I can excel in this and I eventually got my sea legs. And I was. And I benefited because a year after I went into television, my dearly departed best friend went to work for a competing network, Gwen Eiff”
2020-02-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 367 — Michele Norris · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Television is a really competitive environment, and so everyone's laughing and no one's helping, and I was kind of the butt of a series of bad jokes. And Wolf Blitzer came up and put his hands on my shoulder”
2020-02-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 367 — Michele Norris · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“All day, and they had to be pithy, and they had to be, but I was writing these long pool reports like, make it short, make it fast. And then it came time to file. I can't believe I'm telling the story to you. It came time to file and, um, I just, it was in a very competitive environment.”
2020-02-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 367 — Michele Norris · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Was in Seattle, and the weather was horrible, and I'm a black woman, so in the midst of that Seattle rain, my hair had gone back home, and I looked like, you know, I looked like whodunit and why. And I was just, I was the pool reporter, so I didn't understand really what that meant, that I had to send reports.”
2020-02-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 367 — Michele Norris · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Was we were filing. It wasn't lucky, it wasn't on the air. We were filing It was at one of the Asia summits. It was in Seattle, the G8 summits. You know, where they all wear the shirts. Yes, exactly.”
2020-02-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 367 — Michele Norris · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I control it very well, but if I am really, really stressed or nervous, like my husband will, you know, he can spot it, my mom certainly can spot it. And there was a day where I just lost it. And I was new to television.”
2020-02-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 367 — Michele Norris · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I just, as a kid, my brain works faster than my mouth. And so I will start to skip words and my words will jumble. And I control it.”
2020-02-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 367 — Michele Norris · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It is a huge transition, and using your voice as an instrument. In terms of just figuring out the mechanics, I mean, I have a soft spot for Wolf Blitzer to this day because there was a day that I was, and I have, you know, I have a speech impediment. I mean, I have had it since I was a kid. And it rarely surfaces. I mean,”
2020-02-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 367 — Michele Norris · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It was so it was people were very forgiving, but it was really, really difficult. I went to work in network television in the ABC Bureau as a Washington correspondent, never having worked in local news. So I had a skill set as a writer and that saved me. Like I could write, I could write well, I could write on deadline. And that saved me. But in terms of comporting myself on camera and...”
2020-02-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 367 — Michele Norris · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yes, and I had not yet discovered the religion of radio. But I was recruited to go to ABC News. And it was an opportunity to try something new. Don Graham, who was a publisher of the Washington Post, then was fantastic.”
2020-02-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 367 — Michele Norris · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“When I worked here in Chicago, they let me do a very long series on the Chicago Public Schools. And it was rich and rewarding and heartbreaking work. And so, you know, I think it was harder to do that in television because outside of 60 minutes and nightline. At that time, it was really hard to do long form journalism in television.”
2020-02-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 367 — Michele Norris · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But I also, you know, I like that you could, that as a print reporter, I could ride a beat and I could also do deep dive stories. And I was fortunate that when I worked at every paper, I worked at Lennox. I went into the Washington Post. And I went onto the Washington Post. Let me sort of...”
2020-02-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 367 — Michele Norris · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, I've always loved to write. I've always loved the written world. We're sitting in an office full of books, and that would be a happy place for me, you know, surrounding myself with books and the written word. In college, I actually had a scholarship from the CBS affiliate in Minneapolis, WCCO as a political watcher. You're probably very well aware of WCCO. worked in television for a time there. And decided that I really want to work as a print journalist because you just had more time to tell a story, you had a different opportunity to wrestle a story to the ground. Yes. And so I wound up getting a job as an intern and then went into a two-year program at the LA Times. I was very, I always say our lady of the editorial has been very good to me. I started in LA at the LA Times and then came here.”
2020-02-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 367 — Michele Norris · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I so respect what you did with the book. In explaining that Explaining how she had to earn her grace. And you know, First Ladies don't often get a lot of attention. And she helped people understand that when you arrive in that building, she talked to the other First Ladies, but there's no binder that you get that says, this is how you should conduct yourself for the next four. If you're lucky, eight years.”
2020-02-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 367 — Michele Norris · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“On tour several times and several 35 different cities, and I think about four or five of those cities, she told a story about leaving on the last day in the White House. And I know she told that story here in Chicago when she was interviewed by Oprah Winfrey, the very first night of the book tour, and how there was just open weeping on the plane. And behind that was just the release. And she said, we were perfect for eight years. We had to be perfect for eight years. And that's so hard.”
2020-02-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 367 — Michele Norris · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And one of the many interesting things about her memoir in its extreme candor, I mean, it is an unusual political memoir where people are that unguarded, you know, and talking about the things that she chose to talk about in the book, about the battle to have children. Who writes about that? But she did because she wanted to bring people inside her life and show that what you saw on the outside looked like perfection, but behind it was a lot of work. And one of the things that she talked about.”
2020-02-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 367 — Michele Norris · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You know what's interesting, David, though? You talk about the burden? The additional burden was being perfect while also being authentic. You know, that's because usually perfection is a little”
2020-02-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 367 — Michele Norris · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Do you remember that picture? Do you remember that picture right before the Iowa caucuses? There was this picture that I remember so well where she's phalanxed by like 75 members of the clergy. In South Carolina, and they're standing strong behind her. And it was obviously released to send a message. But within probably a month after winning Iowa, that they had drifted enthusiastically into the Obama.”
2020-02-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 367 — Michele Norris · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“How lightly he wore it. I mean, it explains why so many people were slow to come to his candidacy, even people of color, because there's this notion that if he would fall and skin his knee, everybody else would bleed.”
2020-02-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 367 — Michele Norris · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But it was my mother messaging to me that you have control, that people will try to make you feel inferior. And, you know, maybe it's because you're black, maybe it's because you're a woman, but that's just life. And you have control over that. You can decide whether you're going to internalize that or whether it will be like, you know, roll off your shoulders like Teflon. And that was from her own experience. And my parents were big on writing notes. At one point, they gave me another note. It was a quote from Booker T. Washington, demonstrated excellence in a demanding field is the best antidote to racism. Was just like just keep your head down and do your work. And be good at what you do no matter what it is. That is the best way to, again, that's that model minority thing again.”
2020-02-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 367 — Michele Norris · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's interesting because mom was when I went to college, the football game was on and my mom's a big football fan, Minnesota Vikings fan. So she was trying to listen to the end of the football game and hands me the note. So it wasn't, it sounds like it's this poignant goodbye. And she's like, oh, by the way, I wrote a note for you, but I've got to listen to the end of the game here. That's my mom. The Allen paid you.”
2020-02-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 367 — Michele Norris · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“We got the star interview and delivered. But they get the Sunday paper and they would read it all week long. You know, they'd read the book section. My mom loved the book section. My dad loved Kiplinger and kind of as a postal worker had dreams of playing the stock market so he'd read the business section. So they understood, they listened to NPR at home. You know, the radio was always on. So they understood journalism, but they. We weren't exactly happy about me leaving a line of study where our job would be waiting for me on the other end. They just didn't understand how I would make my way in journalism. And they came around and my dad is now gone.”
2020-02-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 367 — Michele Norris · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Not happy at all, but at the same time, they had great respect for journalism, and you know, a line item in our family budget was The New York Times. And it wasn't delivered. They had to go to Schinders downtown, which is a big newsstand on Hennepin Avenue in downtown Minneapolis, and they would buy the Sunday paper. It was next to a big fish market”
2020-02-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 367 — Michele Norris · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Dean, you know, said, Why don't you just take a semester and take classes that you like? And if you wind up not graduating on time, we'll figure it out. We'll make sure that you don't leave school. And I took a semester of classes. I took political science and I took English classes and I went from not doing great to making the dean's list, you know, becoming a straight A student or something close to a straight A student. And I was happy, you know, I found my bliss and I realized how much I really enjoyed writing. And so then I had to go back to my parents and explain that I was changing my major to journalism. They were not happy”
2020-02-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 367 — Michele Norris · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I didn't, you know, I look back and I. I used to have an easy answer for that. I said I just didn't like it. I wasn't very good at it. And I wasn't very good at it because I didn't apply myself. But in reality, I was also really lonely. You know, I was the only woman in many of my classes. I was usually the only woman of color. And I just was not happy. And when you're not happy, you usually don't perform. I actually was really interested in the work. But it just, I just wasn't thriving in that space.”
2020-02-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 367 — Michele Norris · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“They found it. If there was a free program for this, we'd get on the bus and they'd find it. And so at an early age, I took a lot of, I participated in a lot of art programs through Minneapolis as fantastic, really rich and robust cultural community. And the university communities also had really wonderful programs on the weekends, in the summers for kids, and a lot of them for minority kids in particular. And I developed a real interest and affinity, and I guess acumen for science and math and was recruited in a program that was aimed at feeding a pipeline of minority kids into engineering programs. And I did that willingly. And I went to class on Saturdays and I marched off. So why didn't you stick?”
2020-02-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 367 — Michele Norris · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That you were. I was a good student in my household. There was no option but to be a good student. That was, again, the modeling. And I liked science a lot and I was really good at math. And my parents, they gave the world to us. And if there was an opportunity.”
2020-02-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 367 — Michele Norris · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Sometimes by social custom, but often by law, it meant that your opportunities in the world were limited, no matter how well you modeled perfection in the outside world”
2020-02-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 367 — Michele Norris · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But it's a good that means it's a good conversation, right? The difference for many immigrants who came from Europe is that there was a category of whiteness that they could blend into that then came with certain privileges and Advantages that no matter how much you modeled, You still marked a box that over time said colored Negro black, African American, whatever it was. And because of that, often...”
2020-02-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 367 — Michele Norris · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But here's the thing the work that I do now, through the race guard project, has showed me that that is not at all unique, that there are people who came from Lithuania and Italy and Japan and Mexico and Guatemala and Poland, and you name it. And they came and they, even though they perhaps didn't see themselves as minorities, they still were modeling in the quest to become this idea of what it meant to be American. Still, as a kid, say, representing in some way showing the Irish coming to America, not being treated very well when they first came here, but quickly matriculated into whiteness. But on the way there, had to prove That they belied the stereotype. Stereotypes are often very ugly”
2020-02-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 367 — Michele Norris · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And she was a celebrity when she'd roll into town. You know, people would come from far and wide to see Angeline was a big deal for a while in America. There was a Disney World until the 1960s had a huge angelima pancake house that people would stand in long lines to go see. And that's the reason that she focused on children, David, is because she thought if they could see A woman of color, well spoken, who comported herself in a graceful and confident way that that might live inside them in some way.”
2020-02-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 367 — Michele Norris · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It was a very well-paying job. And that was the stage that was available to her. And she would go out in the world, dressed up as Aunt Jemima, but I actually found stories about her work and talked to people who remembered and found other people whose family members worked as Angemima's. And she was one of them who refused to speak in the slave patois. They gave them a script. And she was supposed to sound like a slave woman. And so she was supposed to say, you know, Lazie, Lazie, people showed you love my pancakes. And she would just not speak like that. And so she said that she would go out and she would speak. And my grandmother had won awards, oratory awards as a child. I mean, she dictioned was very important to her, and she would go out in the world and speak like that. And she would sing gospel songs because she wanted them to know that she was a woman of God. And she would focus on young children in particular.”
2020-02-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 367 — Michele Norris · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Such a beautiful, resplendent way. So the idea of her dressing up in rags, you know, as Aunt Jemima and Samantha here is probably wondering, you know, the Aunt Jemima you see on the pancake mix today, a younger generation here. Looks like someone you would encounter at Macy's. You know, she's very modern and she's got a modern hairdo and pearls. She looked like a slave woman. And so when my grandmother went out in the world,”
2020-02-10 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 367 — Michele Norris · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source