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Mick Lynch

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first: 2022-05-27
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“I have some problems with that personally. I don't seek it, but everybody's got an ego. If I wasn't known to anyone, I wouldn't be doing my job. And if you're an anonymous trade union leader, I think there is something wrong with the campaigning that your union is doing. So I would love it if there were 30 well-known trade union leaders getting interviews, getting airspace and getting their message across. And that's what I want. It's not for me particularly. I know that sounds a bit over humble. But I know I've got an ego and I enjoy some of it. I enjoy these conversations. But ultimately, it's so that the union movement gets a profile in the society. That's why we need high profile campaigns and high-profile people.”
2022-05-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Mick Lynch One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Than bitter, which in my culture is around this idea of the crack. The crack involves more than just telling jokes. It's about the atmosphere in a community and in a society. I think we're missing that and people will be becoming atomised, stuck in their bedrooms, not helped by COVID, but that thing of being obsessed by your phone and your laptop, living your life through a website. Well, we've got to turn that around. Surely everyone wants that. Get back doing some sport or camping or whatever you need to do. I was in the cubs, I loved it. I was in a Catholic cub troop, would you believe?”
2022-05-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Mick Lynch One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Don't have any problem in that. We've got to rebuild it in a modern way because life is different. People don't socialize that way. You know, the caricature of the miners lodge or the working men's club. They're struggling. People communicating in a different way. They don't all want to go to boring branch meetings. But they don't always want to take part in residence associations or running the support in the church rebuilding fund or whatever. All these things are part of it. Some people don't even want to go to the pub anymore. I can't understand that at all, Nick. You might agree with me.”
2022-05-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Mick Lynch One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“We are part of a movement that wants to change society. Trade unions have always, since the early craft days, and they changed from that, have had a campaigning agenda. I want a fairer society. I want a more equal society. And for me, that means the rich have got to give up some of their privileges and transfer them to the poorer in society. And the middle will probably be okay anyway.”
2022-05-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Mick Lynch One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“We don't want that to happen. If they bring in legislation to change what you can do, and there are countries that have this, They will take away the right to strike. There's no point in having a strike if it has no effect. I mean, people may not like that, but that is just the simple chemistry of how a dispute works. In industries where you go on strike and it's just the protest, you stand outside the building for an hour or two and have an extra long lunch break, you're not going to get anything, I'm afraid, which is why all grade unions and all sector unions look after the lower paid and look after the more vulnerable. That's what they want. They want to emasculate us. And if they do that, that is going at the fundamentals of living in a free society. The tollpoddle martyrs and the Chartists, the suffragists and all of the reformers fought for our rights to get to this position where we can, if our members want it, take this action. It hurts us. It's difficult to be on strike in a community. It's difficult to be a trade union leader organising strikes. But it does bring results.”
2022-05-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Mick Lynch One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I haven't stayed on the estate, no, because my mother died in our council flat. My mother did. I bought a house because I've always earned a decent wage. Along with my wife And we have a home that we own ourselves, yeah.”
2022-05-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Mick Lynch One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“She is an ally. I think some of the stuff that she believes in personally is the kind of stuff that I believe in. She's got a very similar background to me. You know, it's that kind of background of coming from a councillor estate and wanting to lift the whole councillor state. That's where I don't like that Blairite language about equality of opportunity. I'll pick individuals out and select them to do well. But they can leave that estate. Well, why can't you stay on the estate, which is what Bob believed in, stayed in his council house, and lift the whole estate. lift all of the people on that estate together, not pick them out, which is the grammar school idea, and the academy idea and all that kind of baloney.”
2022-05-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Mick Lynch One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“We don't give her money, we give her campaigns, we don't give any politician money, we give campaigns money, we give people that identify with what we identify with support, physical, material and financial support.”
2022-05-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Mick Lynch One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I don't think the Labor Party will back us. I don't think Keir Starmer or West Streeting and the new breed will go on the telly and say, these workers deserve a pay rise and it should be like this. They will say warm words, trite words such as there's got to be a settlement. We encourage both parties to get around the table”
2022-05-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Mick Lynch One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I wouldn't dare say that. Or you're going to choose to go with the powerful and assertive union. And I think that's where the union movement's got to go. And I tell the TUC, Franceis O'Grady and whoever's coming in her place, you've got to get out of your offices and onto the streets and into the working class towns around this country and build it up again as if we were victorians.”
2022-05-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Mick Lynch One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You can choose to be in which union you want, even on the railway, right, in life, or not be in a union as a worker. If I said to you, do you want to be in this limp, passive union that's just submitted to the trends of modern economics and modern work in life? Or do you want to be in this assertive, powerful, high-profile union? Which one are you going to choose? You're not going to choose the limp one, are you? The one that's on its way out and has not got any profile in this country.”
2022-05-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Mick Lynch One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So that's where that's the relativities. If you looked at the relativities, a tube driver used to be on the same wages as a bus driver. In fact, the bus driver traditionally, before the 60s, was often on more money than a tube driver. A tube driver because of RMT membership and ESLF membership are unions that are prepared to campaign and go to the wall on these issues, is now on a much higher wage. But relatively against inflation, their wages may not be much different. But bus drivers have been subcontracted and relegated right down the league table of wages.”
2022-05-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Mick Lynch One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“On the railways, the president of our union is a train driver right now So, one of the reasons for that is because everybody else has lost. So we have never lost our ability to bargain going back from BR for privatisation. We have not lost our final salary pension scheme and we've not lost our terms and conditions. So relative to where we were, and we have done well in some negotiations on tube, rail and bus, we have maintained our position. So relatively the rest of the working class has been relegated to League One, a bit where Man United are heading at the moment.”
2022-05-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Mick Lynch One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“They said, Come on, Mick. People stare at me and think, isn't that that bloke that's bringing the country to its knees, as the papers say? I don't want to bring the country to its knees. I don't want our members to be on strike and lose money. I want them to have a contented work-life balance and get on with living their lives as happily and contentedly as they can. But the timing is because the employers and the government have got a plan to slash thousands of jobs. They don't want to give us a pay rise. Some of our members are into the third year of that. And inflation is rampant, as we all know. Don't want to bang on about that, but we all know that. And the conditions that we enjoy and have negotiated are under threat. They've told me that again this morning explicitly, and we'll set it out to me. It's very boring for everyone else. I don't want that timing. It's just come on top of me. So we've got to respond now.”
2022-05-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Mick Lynch One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I recognise that. I recognise that completely. I live in my community. People use the train. My family uses the train. My son works on the railway. I recognize all that inconvenience and I don't want it to happen. I know that can sound a bit trite, I'm bound to say it, but I do believe that.”
2022-05-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Mick Lynch One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Some of them were. Some of them, I think, were carried away with. Salem type atmosphere that was going on at the time. I think so. I wouldn't maybe not that strong, but a bit of hysteria. When you've lost somebody like Bob Crow, who everybody knew, there's a vacuum and people think, some people think they are Bob Crow. And I'm not Bob Crow and I wouldn't want to be. But some people thought they could be. And my advice to people is, don't worry about that, just leave Bob there and let him rest in peace and value his contribution. Let's get on.”
2022-05-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Mick Lynch One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I never resigned. I stepped away from the role I was carrying out because I couldn't get the support of the people on the executive at that time. And I said to him, if you don't support me, I'm not going to carry out the functions because I have a board like any chief exec, and that's the analogy. But they were clearly not supporting me at that time. They rotate through and they rotated out. We've got a much better relationship. And in the end, I went to the members in an election and I won. And my style of trade unionism is what governs the RMT with support of the members and all our conferences and all that. They voted for me very heavily against people that opposed me. And they've been defeated and some of them have left the union.”
2022-05-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Mick Lynch One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I don't think we are. I don't think it even exists, to be honest with you. That was back in the mid 20s when there was a lot of aggression by a previous Ukrainian regime against Russians banning the Russian language. Banning some of the socialist parties in the Ukraine.”
2022-05-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Mick Lynch One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“There are a lot of neo-Nazis in the Ukraine. The Azov battalion is based on neo-Nazi beliefs and anti-Semitism and racism. That can't be avoided. But in my union, I speak for the Union officially as a General Secretary. Eddie does as well when I don't do it. He supports the Union's position, which is to oppose Putin's aggression and invasion of the Ukraine.”
2022-05-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Mick Lynch One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, there is a slight disdain. I mean, there are two sides in the war, and some of the stuff that's happened in Ukraine hasn't been very pleasant. Under a different regime than Zelensky, there was a burning down of the trade union hall, and many people were killed. Some people had been put in prison in the Ukraine because of their beliefs. That does not counterbalance anything that Putin's done, and Putin's repression is far more severe than anyone that he's opposing at the minute and invading. We're totally opposed to their invasion.”
2022-05-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Mick Lynch One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think that was six or seven years ago. Eddie Dempsey, with Eddie Dempsey a little while ago, does not support Putin. He does not support the Russian invasion and aggression against Ukraine. We support Ukraine's self-determination. We support Ukrainian trade unions and Ukrainian people.”
2022-05-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Mick Lynch One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That's up to them what they stand for. They get elected the same as I do. People have got a mandate. When they're at the table with me dealing with trade union matters, they deal with it as trade unionists. Some of them have got things that are quoted from years ago as well and people move on from some of the...”
2022-05-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Mick Lynch One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Some of them do. Yeah, some of them take orders from bodies outside my union. I'm not interested in that. And I tell them very directly.”
2022-05-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Mick Lynch One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I am left wing, but I'm not affiliated. I don't take orders from particular groups. I'm not in the Labour Party. I am a socialist. And I've got a set of principles based on traditional Labour values, but I'm not a member of the party. So I want council housing. I don't want public housing. I want social housing. I want a massive campaign council housing, that sort of thing. Very traditional. Even municipal type socialism.”
2022-05-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Mick Lynch One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I got a letter from the Information Commissioner's Office saying you are basically on a blacklist. And there was a blacklist support group that we formed. I wasn't very active in it, to be fair. Other people did far more work than me. We ended up at the High Court. Robert McAlpine, famously of the song Macaupine's Fusiliers that all the Irish people used to sing. Wimpy, Keer Group, all these big companies had to cough up a load of money”
2022-05-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Mick Lynch One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Everyone knew. It's only the activists that can't get work. So if you're the shop steward on a big site where you've got some control and you're getting good deals, that you won't get work the next time. You hope that maybe if I take a month out, they'll forget the heat will go off that or get a job. And a group of people that I know, and they tend to be all the people that I know, didn't get work. They nearly all had to go into other forms of employment. Often as electricians, but to go into engineering or to go into services and what have you.”
2022-05-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Mick Lynch One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Take them on, so I was put on that, and I couldn't get work, it was obvious to me. So you moved from job to job as a contracted electrician, it's part of the deal. I couldn't get work. And so I said to my wife, I'm going to have to change direction here. I know it's because of a blacklist. You can't prove it. And when you tell people there's a blacklist, they think you're paranoid.”
2022-05-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Mick Lynch One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So I came out of engineering because it was closing down and went into construction, which was transferable skills, good thing. But we formed another union, which is probably a big mistake, to be loyal to the TUC and loyal to our values. And that made me a big target in London. In the construction industry, not easy. So the employers, going back to 1919 in the Economic League, used to keep a blacklist.”
2022-05-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Mick Lynch One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I'm nostalgic for the balance that we were creating. I think society was becoming rebalanced in the 70s. When you worked at a factory such as not just in Bourneville and Cadbury's, but nestles as we used to call it in West London, where I used to work, any of the brewers, any of the factories had football fields, social clubs, some of them had housing. My first house I bought was a railway house provided by British Rail and provided by the Great Western Railway. All of that has gone. People now disregard the workforce as something that's under their shoe in some ways. Not if you're an office worker, but if you're doing refuse collection, if you're doing care services, if you're doing manufacturing, in many ways you're an inconvenience and we're waiting to automate you out.”
2022-05-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Mick Lynch One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I'm nostalgic for the power that we had. And what more nostalgic for the control and the values that we had? People talk about the winter discontent. And the excesses of the trade union movement as it's styled and as it was caricatured by the press, which was extremely hostile, and they had a good reason for that because they had very powerful unions in Fleet Street, including the journalists and all the printers and everybody else.”
2022-05-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Mick Lynch One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“When I was a kid, trade union general secretaries, Vic Feather and Jack Jones and all those people, these were big people. These were national figures. So I never thought I'd be like that. You had to be in a union. When I joined, a fella came up to me and said, you're the apprentice electrician. The other five or six were whatever they were mechanical fitters. You had to join the union. We made printing presses and we had a printing establishment. We had all the print unions and when we went to install presses they would be closed shop printing houses. So if I went to Fleet Street to put some machinery in your card would be inspected. And I would expect it to be inspected and I wanted it to be expected because I didn't want a non-union person coming into that setup.”
2022-05-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Mick Lynch One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Where I lived in Paddock, interestingly, the Irish civil rights association stood a candidate for the Westminster MP in where I lived and in Kilburn. So that was quite intense. And they were canvassing outside our church to vote. People didn't vote for them, by the way. They voted Labor, all the Irish people. They got about 200 votes. So that was all going on. But we used to watch all the disputes. My dad was a member and he would be commenting on that. I can't remember it all to be honest, but it's just the sense.”
2022-05-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Mick Lynch One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“My dad was a Labour Party member. You've got to remember there was a lot of stuff going on. Wilson Callaghan, Ted Heath, all those big characters that we had then who had a bit more integrity compared to what we've got now. There was the Irish situation going on, all of that. So when I was 68, 69, 70, 8, 9, 10, 11, 72 when it was really heavy in the six counties, that was quite heavy. Just to remind you,”
2022-05-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Mick Lynch One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Was a bit of it. I can't say I felt a lot of it. I remember Irish jokes, every comedian told Irish jokes on the telly and what have you in the clubs. Where I lived, it was Catholic. In Paddington Kilburn, where we were grown up, I thought everyone was a Catholic. All the Caribbean people near me were Catholics, there were Italian people, there were Polish people. We didn't have very many English people. And you can't believe that with my accent. When I went to school, we had a boy in my class who was an English Catholic, and we used to call him the English boy. In central London”
2022-05-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Mick Lynch One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“They got out or a bit long. Yeah, I mean, my family is from a Republican tradition. They weren't active Republicans, but it's the milieu, I think the Posh people call it. So our life was being Roman Catholic. It wasn't a lifestyle choice like it is for many people now. I want to get my kid in that school. Being Roman Catholic was an everyday permanent experience, mass every Sunday, holy days of obligation, confession Saturday night, taking communion Sunday morning, stations of the cross, the whole bit.”
2022-05-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Mick Lynch One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“My dad was a proper paddy. I'm not ashamed of saying He went down the pub a lot. He was a laborer working on building sites with the original John Murphy, the big contractor. He went in factories because it was easier. He went in the post office because of being a shop steward left him a bit vulnerable. When he joined the post office, came out of his probation, he went on strike for seven weeks. So that was Tom Jackson, if you remember him, with a big handle barmer stash. I certainly did treat him of the leader of the leader”
2022-05-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Mick Lynch One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Particularly. So I left score in 1978 and I started in a place where there were six apprentices, eight apprentices and six of them came from my school. My school was about two miles away from that factory. And we all did craft apprenticeships. And we all were looking forward to a life as craftsmen as we were then. It was all men apart from the canteen ladies. And that was wiped away later in the 80s by Thatcherism because engineering disappeared. People never believed me that there was engineering in London. It was full of engineering. Park Royal near where I lived was the biggest engineering establishment in Western Europe.”
2022-05-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Mick Lynch One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“of their labour, this casualised lifestyle, casualised work style that the employers have brought in is really affecting people. And I think it's making them make some peculiar decisions because they can't find a set of beliefs. They can't find the Labour Party anymore. Some of them can't even find the trade union movement anymore. They actually can't find a trade union, which is a big problem.”
2022-05-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Mick Lynch One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, the union movement has to respond, and so does the Labour Party, the Labour movement, as it used to be called. We have to respond because we can't allow people to just get poorer. And that's what's actually happened. And I view that. Some people might say this is a Marxist analysis. It's not. It's a simple analysis. Working people are getting poorer because their wages aren't keeping up with inflation. At the same time, the rich in this country have never been richer. I'm talking about the super rich. We've got more billionaires than we've ever had. Dividends and profits are at record highs. The stock market has not crashed around the world. So there are a lot of people making a lot of money at this moment. And the gap, which is where profit comes in between those are the people that are delivering the services, all the services we need and the wealth of the nation, such as caring for our elderly, staffing our shops, delivering our goods, are suffering and they're suffering not only because of the price of their labour, but the mode of”
2022-05-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Mick Lynch One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Working class extremely because I live by what I earn. I haven't got the resources that some people have. People get paid different money. Nick, we're sitting in here. We might be the two highest paid people in the studio. There's people out there behind producing this who aren't getting paid what we're getting paid. The people that brought me in at the reception aren't getting paid what we're getting paid. My members cover the whole range from some very highly paid signallers down to people cleaning the stations and cleaning the toilets. They're not on good money.”
2022-05-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Mick Lynch One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Over 100,000 quit. I'm not 100,000, but I'll tell you my salary on this. My salary, approved by the Union's AGM, is £84,100.”
2022-05-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Mick Lynch One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Get might be in a care home working for a second or third party subcontractor. You've got a very, very vulnerable life. The rates are really low and the conditions are really low and they feel insecure.”
2022-05-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Mick Lynch One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I'd like to say, I hope so. I hope that's not too controversial. I use that term working class because it's gone out of fashion, and so many people in my position, including the TUC and the Labour Party, don't like using it. But there is a class. I mean, it's undeniable in this country or in any society. There are people at this moment who are suffering, and they're not just suffering because they're unemployed and on benefits and have got difficulties whether they're disabled or what have you. There is a working poor in this country. And the chief source of their problems is outsourcing, I think, subcontracting, vulnerable work, and work that's in jeopardy. So there are loads of people in this country who are working full-time and maybe more than full-time who can't get a decent set of terms and conditions, can't get a pension, can't get holiday pay, and working on gig economies or forms of it. And I think that's where labour's lost some of its ground, actually, because they're not reaching out to those people. If you live in a small town that used to be industrial, used to be heavily unionized, and all the work you can do,”
2022-05-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Mick Lynch One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Why they talk about it? I didn't put those words up. They say, can you discount this or would you deny it? It could if it escalates, it could get very serious. The difference between this dispute and some that others are familiar with where you might have a train operator that's got a particular group of people in a conflict or a dispute is that this involves network rails infrastructure, all the signallers, the electrical controllers and all the maintenance staff from the top of Scotland down to the bottom of Cornwall and all points in between. And if they're involved in action, that will stop the railway to a large extent. There'll be managers working, no doubt, trying to get it going. But we'll see. It is a national dispute, and we haven't done that since privatisation on this level.”
2022-05-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Mick Lynch One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, there's been a bit of hyperbole. People have been saying it's the biggest strike since 1926. It's not. It's a straightforward traditional trade union dispute about pay jobs and conditions. It's not going to be the general strike. I don't think the country will come to a standstill. It will be an inconvenience. I don't indulge in hype, but it's a very serious dispute, and a lot of our people are very motivated to get behind it, which has been proven in the ballot result.”
2022-05-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Mick Lynch One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Absolutely, we've been talking to the employers for a long, long time since COVID started. They brought out their reform package. They had to get stuff in place for COVID to change the services. And this is a follow-on from COVID one way or the other about the changes that happen on the railway. So we've got to deal with it. And I hope we don't go on strike, but we have to have that in our top pocket, is my opinion.”
2022-05-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Mick Lynch One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Hello. It's more exciting than dealing with some paperwork, I suppose. So there's a lot of appearances like this. There's a lot of stress. But if you didn't want to do that, if you didn't want to be involved, you should be doing another job. So it's stimulating, I would say, but stimulation isn't always good. And it certainly makes you think.”
2022-05-27 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Mick Lynch One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source