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Mike Krieger

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“Two things about artifacts when I ask about, and then I definitely want to ask about what it's like to sell something to Yahoo in 2024, which is unusual. It's not a thing that's been happening a lot. The first is that artifact was very much designed to surface web pages. It was predicated on a very rich web. And if there's one thing I'm worried about in the age of AI is that the web is getting less rich, right? More and more things are moving to closed platforms, more and more creators. They want to start something new. They end up on a YouTube or a TikTok. I don't know if there's dedicated threads creators yet, but they're coming. And it seemed like that product was chasing a dream that might be under pressure from AI specifically, but also just the rise of creator platforms more broadly. Was that a real problem, or is that just something I saw from the outside?”
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“You know it's a good decision when you step back. And the thing you regret is that it didn't work out, not that you had to make that decision or that you made that exact decision at the time that you did.”
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“Needle a little bit, but not enough to convince us that this was really on track to be something that the team and we were collectively going to spend a lot of time on over the coming years. And that was the right moment to say, all right, let's pause, let's step back. Is this the right time to shut it down? The answer was yes. It's actually, if you haven't seen the Yahoo basically bought it, took all the code, and redid Yahoo News as artifact or the other way around. And it's very funny. You'll have a little bit of a bizarre world moment the first thing is almost exactly like artifact, a little bit more purple, some different sources. But yeah, it was definitely the right decision.”
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“Yeah, it really is. And the feedback we've gotten posts shut down for artifact was a mixture of sadness, but also kudos for calling it when you saw it. And I think that there's value to also having a moment where you say, you know, we've seen enough here. I think for us, it was the product I still love and miss. And in fact, like I will run into people and I'll be like, I'll expect them to say like, I love Instagram. They're always like, I love phanthropic, like artifact. I really miss artifacts. So Chalia had a resonance with a two small but very passionate group of folks. But we've been working on it kind of in the kind of full run of it about three years and the product had been out for a year. And we're looking at the metrics, looking at growth, looking at what we had done. We kind of had a moment where we said, are there ideas or kind of product directions that will feel dumb not having tried before calling it? And we had a list of those and that was kind of mid last year. And we basically took the rest of the year to work through those, got to the end of the year, and said, yeah, those moved the”
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“I'm excited to talk to you about products. The last time I talked to you, I was trying to convince you to come to the code conference. I didn't actually get to interview you at Code, but I was trying to convince you to come. And I was like, I just want to talk about products for someone as opposed to regulation. And we're like, yes, here's my product. I warn the audience, we're definitely going to talk a little bit about AI regulation. It's going to happen. It seems part of the puzzle, but you're building national products. And I have a lot of questions about what those products could be, what the products are now, where they're going. But I want to start sort of at the beginning of your anthropic story, which is also the end of your artifact story. So people know you. You started Instagram, you were at Meta for a while. You left Meta. And then you and Kevin Sistram started Artifact, which was a really fun newsreader and had some really interesting ideas about how to surface the web and have comments and all that. And then you decided to shut it down. I think the show is a show for builders and we don't often talk about shutting things down.”
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“On top of that, Mike has a pretty fascinating history. If you're a longtime tech fan, you likely know him as the co founder of Instagram, a company he started with Kevin Sistrom before selling it to Facebook, now Meta, or a billion dollars back in 2012. That was an eye-popping amount of money back then, and the deal turned Mike into founder royalty basically overnight. Mike left Meta in 2018, and a few years later, he started to dabble in AI, but not quite the type of AI we talk about all the time on Decoder. Instead, Mike and Kevin launched Artifact, an AI-powered newsreader that did some very interesting things with recommendation algorithms and aggregation. I was a big fan of artifact, but ultimately it didn't take off like anyone wanted, and Mike and Kevin shut it down earlier this year. We sold the underlying tech to Yahoo. We talk a lot about decisions here in Decoder, so I wanted to know more about the decision to shut artifact down, and then the decision to sell it to Yahoo. And then, of course, I wanted to know why Mike decided to join Enthropic and work in AI.”
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“Hello and welcome to Decoder. I'm Neil I Patel, editor in chief of the Verge. And Decoder is my show about big ideas and other province. Today I'm talking with Mike Krieger, the new chief product officer at Anthropic, one of the hottest AI companies in the entire industry. Anthropic was started in 2021 by former OpenAI executives and researchers who wanted to build a more safety-minded AI company, which I have to point out is a real theme among people who leave OpenAI. Something to think about. Anthropic's main product right now is Claude. which is the name of both its industry-leading AI model and a chatbot that competes with ChatGPT. Like other major AI companies, Anthropic has billions in funding from some of the biggest names in tech, primarily Amazon. But at the same time, Anthropic does have a distinct and intense safety culture. The company is notable for employing some people who legitimately worry that AI might destroy mankind. And I wanted to ask Mike how that tension plays out in product.”
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