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Mike Walsh

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“I think the main thing that's going to change the path going forward, it's hard to say exactly what it's going to look like. We want to provide them with a personalized AI-powered product that understands their practice area. It understands their jurisdiction. It has access to our authoritative set of materials. It has access to their prior work product. It understands their preferences. It understands their style, understands what they're trying to do, and it can automate tasks that they do today manually. And we'll continue to take that latest available technology, show it to our customers, and have them help us understand how we can use that technology to serve them in more modern and relevant ways. And that's really what's going to guide our roadmap in the future.”
2025-10-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · LexisNexis CEO says the AI law era is already here · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Think these questions are going to come up over and over again. We should have you back to answer them, but as you learn more, but as you look out over the horizon over the next two, three years, what's the next set of capabilities you see for LexusNexis? And what do you think the pressures that might change how you make some of those decisions will be?”
2025-10-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · LexisNexis CEO says the AI law era is already here · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I don't know that we would want to necessarily restrict the AI in that way. I think that the information in the system is, we're referring back to the information that we have, like our authoritative collection of documents and materials, which helps lawyers understand what the facts are, what the precedent is, what the background is, and then they can do The real deep legal work and make those trade-off decisions, the judgment decisions, those important things that, again, that attorneys went to law school to do.”
2025-10-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · LexisNexis CEO says the AI law era is already here · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, I get it when you're the database of cases. I get it when you're the word processor. I get it when you're the specialized word processor or the case management platform. The thing that I'm pushing on, sort of repeatedly here, is When the AI system is actually doing the work, do you feel like you have different guardrails?”
2025-10-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · LexisNexis CEO says the AI law era is already here · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I would say our approach is to arm the attorneys with the best possible information, help them with the drafting of those documents. And we're really just being led by our customers and what they're asking us to do. We certainly are not trying to interpret the law. We're not trying to shape the legal system. We're not lawyers, right? We're not trying to do the work of lawyers. We're trying to help lawyers do the work that they do in a more efficient way and hopefully help them drive better outcomes. But it's always their prerogative to, you know, interpret the information that we provide, which is what lawyers do, right? That's what they're great at. And then, you know, the reason we have cases is because there are people on both sides of them, right? And they're making the two individuals are going to make opposite arguments. We want to represent or we want to support both of those attorneys as best that we can.”
2025-10-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · LexisNexis CEO says the AI law era is already here · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“At some point, you do. I mean, this is again to bring us back where he started. I first encountered LexisNexis as a database of cases. In some case notes, there are some law professors who are very proud that their case notes were in LexisNexis when I was in law school. An hour drafting a little bit. Now we're going to go do the research. Now we have a gentric AI that's making the arguments. Maybe one day we will automate all the way to filing. You're taking on more of the burden. You are making the arguments. The company is making the arguments. Where is the line? Because a lawyer, there are lots of lawyers who wouldn't take that case, who wouldn't make that argument Is there a line for you”
2025-10-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · LexisNexis CEO says the AI law era is already here · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, we're trying to develop a system that does not have bias introduced into it that will give you the facts and attorneys can do the work that attorneys do and make those important decisions. Our job is to give them the information that they need, the precedent, the facts, all the information that they need to then develop their argument, whatever that might be. But we really don't get into any of the politics of birthright citizenship is it guaranteed or is it not guaranteed?”
2025-10-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · LexisNexis CEO says the AI law era is already here · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That's a big spectrum of opportunity. And here in the middle with the AI companies, it's, do you have the obligation to say, well, if you want to go make the argument that birthright citizenship doesn't protect everyone in the United States, you got to do that on your own. Like, our robot's not going to help you. Do you feel any of that pressure?”
2025-10-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · LexisNexis CEO says the AI law era is already here · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, the reason I'm curious about that is, you know, there's a spectrum. I think telling people what they can do with Microsoft Word running locally on their laptop, I don't think there's any place for that. Fine. Do what you got to do. Telling people what they can do with a consumer grade AI tool built into Facebook. I think Facebook has a lot of responsibility there, right? Especially because the opportunity for them to distribute that content far and wide is at their fingertips.”
2025-10-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · LexisNexis CEO says the AI law era is already here · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“We don't want to Introduce or perpetuate any bias that might exist either. And so to do that, we rely back on the law, right? As opposed to a Consumer grade model that would just probably use his news articles, which might have a very different interpretation of things, depending on which news articles. And they're much more likely to be biased introduced into news articles than into black letter law, for example.”
2025-10-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · LexisNexis CEO says the AI law era is already here · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, the reason I ask that question very specifically, that's the next precedent that's up for grab. It's a big one, it's foundational, right? That reconstruction is up for grabs in a very real way in that case. Do you think as the toolmaker you have a responsibility? Because that's really the question for so many AI companies. You're the toolmaker. Do you have a responsibility to not deep fake real people? Do you have a responsibility to not Show people fake ideas, right? I think you're very clear on that. You have a responsibility to not hallucinate. But here you have a wondering question is”
2025-10-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · LexisNexis CEO says the AI law era is already here · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It does recognize that recent cases have affirmed this interpretation rejecting attempts to expand the exceptions of birthright citizenship. So it does also recognize that there have been efforts to interpret it in a different way. And it goes quite the answer goes on quite.”
2025-10-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · LexisNexis CEO says the AI law era is already here · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I'm not an attorney, by the way, so I'm just going to read the answer here. Fourteenth Amendment of the United States Constitution guarantees birthright citizenship to all persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to its jurisdiction. The phrase subject to its jurisdiction has been interpreted to include nearly all individuals born on U.S. soil with a few narrow exceptions. These exceptions include foreign diplomats, children of foreign diplomats, children of enemy forces in hostile occupation, children born in foreign public ships, and historically children of members of Native American tribes who owed allegiance to their tribe rather than the United States.”
2025-10-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · LexisNexis CEO says the AI law era is already here · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, I'm very curious to see what it says because up until recently, there's only been one answer to that question. Now the Trump administration is saying there's nope actually that's not what subject to the jurisdiction thereof means and they will in order to win at this Supreme Court have to construct an originalist argument to that question and I am confident that the way they're going to do that is they're going to feed a bunch of data into an AI model and say this is what the meant. At the time of the drafting of the 14th Amendment. That's a thing that AI will be used for that is very destructive.”
2025-10-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · LexisNexis CEO says the AI law era is already here · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I could pop up here and ask it, I suppose. So, what was the hold on a second? Let me pop into protege here. All right, does the 14th Amendment guarantee birthright citizenship or are there exceptions? Let's see”
2025-10-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · LexisNexis CEO says the AI law era is already here · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Have responsible AI principles that we operate under, and so that includes a number of things. One is we always try to consider the real world implications of any product that we develop. We want to make sure that there's transparency in terms of how our product works. So we open up the black box so people can see the logic that we're using, and they can actually go and change it too if they want to, right? So we want to make sure that there's transparency and there's control, human oversight, right? So we always incorporate human oversight into the development of our products. Privacy and security is another one of our core tenets of responsible AI creation. And then the prevention of the introduction of bias is another thing that's incorporated in. So those are the relics principles for AI development. And we”
2025-10-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · LexisNexis CEO says the AI law era is already here · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Deference to an AI decision engine. They're going to say we asked the AI what did all people mean when the 14th Amendment was drafted and this will be how we get to a birthright citizen case that I'm just connecting this to the conversation we had at the beginning. We're going to give our reasoning to a computer in a way that the computer is not necessarily accountable for, and we're going to trust the computer. And that method of thinking and that rigor might go away. And so I've heard this answer the tool is neutral, and so how I'll use it from tech companies for years, and I see the outcomes. I'm asking you, you're building a tech product for lawyers, they're already using it in this specific way. And I'm wondering if you thought about the guardrail”
2025-10-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · LexisNexis CEO says the AI law era is already here · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“We have all the data. They can search it, they can use the tool to find things that they, you know, it wasn't possible to find in the past. So I could see them using our tool in that way. And I guess it's, you know, it's up to the attorneys to determine how they're going to use the product. We're not building it because we're trying to change the law. We're building because we're trying to help attorneys do the tasks that they want to do”
2025-10-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · LexisNexis CEO says the AI law era is already here · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Saying Definitely understand your point there. You know, I think about the analogy of a brick, right? You can use a brick to build a hospital to take care of sick children, or you could take a brick and you could throw it through a window, right? One use is really great, and one use is pretty negative. But in either case, it's a brick. I think about our tool as being not good or bad. I think it could be used for good. You know, I think it could be used for, you know, any type of activity that attorneys, I wouldn't want to say originalism is a bad thing, right? I think it could be used for many different things. I think it could be used for originalism. I think it could be helpful for those that wanted to take that path and find a new way of looking at something.”
2025-10-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · LexisNexis CEO says the AI law era is already here · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, they're asking legal questions. They're getting answers back. And then they're interpreting those answers. I think we're providing them with the raw content that they need to make the determinations, but we're not practicing law. We're not making those decisions for them.”
2025-10-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · LexisNexis CEO says the AI law era is already here · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“No, our growth rate is definitely accelerated as a result of this. The main thing that we're focused on is the customer outcome. And so what we're seeing is that the customers are getting happier and happier and happier with the solution. And so I would say that it's been very successful in that regard. And it's the fastest growing product that we've ever had.”
2025-10-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · LexisNexis CEO says the AI law era is already here · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You know, I guess we weren't really good at anything to begin with, right? And I think we're kind of building things out. Sometimes it's a practice area. Sometimes it's a task. I think that there's a big focus if you look at all those different tasks that we were talking about earlier that attorneys do, in many cases, the output of that task is some sort of a document, right? And so we're really focused right now on like how do we improve our document drafting.”
2025-10-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · LexisNexis CEO says the AI law era is already here · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I guess the biggest thing I've learned is how important it is to have attorneys doing that work. I mean, that was, you know, I expected to hire a lot of technical people and data scientists to do this work. I didn't really expect to hire an army of attorneys, but I think it's kind of one of the Secret sauce components of our solution is that our outputs are attorney reviewed. And so that's how we keep getting the more relevant results.”
2025-10-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · LexisNexis CEO says the AI law era is already here · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It's based on the task, right? So, what we try to do is get attorneys that have experience in a particular matter. So if we're looking at documents related to an M&A transaction, you know, we want those to be looked at by someone who has some experience in mergers and acquisitions and they can tell us, yeah, that document looks great. Or, you know what, it's missing. It's missing these particular things. And then we can go back and say, why did we miss those particular things? And what changes do we need to make to the way that we're training these models and directing these models to correct that situation going forward?”
2025-10-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · LexisNexis CEO says the AI law era is already here · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You know, I haven't actually broken it out that way, so I couldn't tell you. The token fees are certainly an important part of the investment. The engineering is a huge portion of the investment. The attorneys that we hire to review the output and tell us, you know, is this good or is this not good? That's a massive, massive piece of the investment. So it's spread out of our many, many different things, but certainly we spend a lot of money on that particular issue.”
2025-10-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · LexisNexis CEO says the AI law era is already here · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The query will go into an agent, a planning agent, who will then allocate that query out to other agents. So it needs to do some deep research. So maybe it uses the O3 model from OpenAI because it's really good at deep research. And at the end, it needs to draft a document. So maybe it uses Claude 3 to do that, like the Cloud 3 Opus, which is really good at drafting. And so model agnostic, we'll use whatever model is best at a particular task. And so the result that you get back is actually work that's potentially done by multiple different models, which I think probably makes it a little bit harder just to see like, oh yeah, I know that was drafted by OpenAI.”
2025-10-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · LexisNexis CEO says the AI law era is already here · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You know, we use a multi-model approach. And so I think that it's probably a little less clear which particular model drove something. So if someone puts in a request, of course, with Agentic AI, things have really changed, right? I think that probably was true maybe a year and a half ago. But now with Agentic AI, when someone puts in a query, like let's say they wanted to draft a document, maybe a client sending a request and she's interested in a premises liability issue around duty to inform a trespasser about a dangerous condition on a piece of land, for example, right?”
2025-10-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · LexisNexis CEO says the AI law era is already here · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, I mean, each one is based on the content of the individual jurisdiction, so we don't mix the content, but we do, you know, we do try to utilize the same technology. So, for example, Search Relevance technology to find the most the case that's most closely associated with the matter that someone is working on, we can take that, we can build it for the US market, for example, or the UK market, and then we can move it to another market, and it will work pretty good, right? It will work pretty well. And then we need to do some modifications to make it work really well for that particular jurisdiction. But we get 80% of the DNA transferred over in that core model.”
2025-10-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · LexisNexis CEO says the AI law era is already here · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, we do have different teams and we do have different database structures, but we're actually trying to consolidate to the extent we can because the extent that we have things that are similar, we shouldn't have them marked up in different ways in different databases, getting them marked up in a consistent way will allow us to what we call extreme reuse, but to basically use that same technology that we develop in multiple jurisdictions with limited changes to that system. And what that allows us to do is really focus on that core system and roll it out quickly. And so everyone across the world gets the benefit of all those changes. But you have civil law in some jurisdictions and common law in others. And the laws are structured in different ways. And so you do have things.”
2025-10-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · LexisNexis CEO says the AI law era is already here · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Team, and they take the direction from product management, but they actually build the products. And then we have functional groups that support that, finance, HR, legal, global operations that does things like collects content for us. So it's from the inside out, once you get used to it, it's not that complicated of a structure, and it's really well integrated and seamlessly integrated together, which allows us to operate really quickly. We can get things done quickly. And I think in an efficient way. And I would say it's all customer, the whole process is customer driven.”
2025-10-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · LexisNexis CEO says the AI law era is already here · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Part fits into it. So Relic's the parent company, and a publicly traded company. It has four divisions. Legal and professional is one of those divisions, and the CEO of legal and professional is Mike Walsh. And I report to Mike. And my responsibility is I'm the CEO of our North America, UK, and Ireland businesses. And so the way that we're organized, it's a matrix, right? So we go to market based on customer segments. So we have a large law, business, a small law business, a corporate legal business, a federal government business, a state and local government business, a Canadian business, a UK business. And then we have functional groups that support that. So we have product management. And they're responsible for our product development roadmap and the product strategy. And then we have an engine.”
2025-10-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · LexisNexis CEO says the AI law era is already here · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think it 100% sure. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, judges are becoming forensic auditors, right? And they're reviewing this information, looking for fake cases, right? We don't want them doing that. That should not be their job. I think things do need to change in some of these areas.”
2025-10-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · LexisNexis CEO says the AI law era is already here · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I don't think that they should, like, I don't think a judge should write every line. I think that they could use AI. You know, it's great when you put concepts in at being able to put the words around that concept and structure them in an orderly way. So I think that there's a component of the work that could be done by AI. But I don't think it should be a bot talking to a bot. I don't think it should be fully outsourced to AI. I think that you've got a responsibility as a judge, as a law clerk, as a lawyer to review that document and make sure this is actually saying what you intended to say. And I think most attorneys are using it that way, right? It will create a great draft, maybe an 80% draft, right, which allows you to do 20% of the work, but that 20% of the work is like the deep analytical thought work.”
2025-10-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · LexisNexis CEO says the AI law era is already here · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“No, I think you have to have the human in the loop that it's an important part of the process. If someone says, hey, can you meet at 9 o'clock and your system opens up your calendar and says you're available to meet and you've got that person on your high priority list and it says so at the meeting, I mean, I can see bots going back and forth to do those kind of things. When you're talking about like substantive legal matters, the stakes are too high. You're talking about disabled veteran, you know, getting their benefits or not getting their benefits. You know, you're talking about a victim of a natural disaster, you know, getting insurance proceeds or not getting insurance proceeds. You're talking about a single mother, you know, being welfare benefits or not getting welfare benefits. These are all legal matters and they really have a huge impact on people's lives. The stakes, I think, are way too high for bots to be gone and going back and forth and sharing information.”
2025-10-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · LexisNexis CEO says the AI law era is already here · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Summarizing emails and generating emails for other iPhones to summarize, and I have no idea what's going on. That's bad in the legal context, right? We're automating the generation of the documents to make the case for our clients. And on the other side, the judges and clerks might be using these same tools to ingest them, summarize, understand the arguments, and write the opinions that are the outcomes Where do you see culturally? I think it's important for you to have a point of view on where that should stop. Because otherwise, we are just going to have a fully automated justice system of LLMs talking to each other, maybe with some guardrails that other people don't have. But we've taken an enormous amount of humans out of the loop.”
2025-10-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · LexisNexis CEO says the AI law era is already here · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“If they ask us for that, I'm sure we can develop it. We're not at that point today. But we are in the drafting phase. That vision, that's not like a five-year vision or a three-year vision. That's available today. That's protege. That's what protege does today. But there are tasks that it can do, but we haven't finished that massive backlog yet”
2025-10-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · LexisNexis CEO says the AI law era is already here · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Tasks that they do today, right? And if you think about all the different types of attorneys and all the different tasks that they perform, there's probably 8,000 to 10,000 tasks that could be automated, right? And so we're working with our customers to understand what are the most important tasks. And we're working with them to automate those tasks today. So we have the largest and most robust backlog of projects that we've ever had in the history of our company because there's so many of these things that still are to be automated. But we're working with our customers to do that. If they tell us that, hey, what we really want is for you to automatically file this or for you to, you know, provide me with an alert that says, hey, this deadline is coming up and you need to file this. Here's a draft to do you want to file it.”
2025-10-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · LexisNexis CEO says the AI law era is already here · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Always going to give the attorney the opportunity. We don't want to just be doing things on their behalf in an unsupervised way, right? So we're going to give them the opportunity. We could get to the point where we say, hey, look, it looks like you need a continuance. Here's a draft of a continuance push here and it will automatically file it. We're not to that point today. But if you need a continuance, we can draft it for you, right? And if you think about our vision is that every attorney is going to have their own personalized AI assistant and it's going to understand their practice area. It's going to understand their jurisdiction. It's going to have access to their prior work product. It's going to have access to systems are only as good as the content behind them, right? So it's going to have access to our 160 billion documents and records. And it's going to be able to automate.”
2025-10-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · LexisNexis CEO says the AI law era is already here · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“But yeah, we have the ability to do it from scratch too. And so, but a lot of traditions don't want to do it from scratch because they've reviewed every single word in that motion and they know that it's good. And if they do it from scratch, then they have to review every single word, right? But if they want to do it from scratch, we can do that for them today. And we can use their prior work product if they want to use that as the grounding content to create a new motion. Or we can use our authoritative material. They can choose what the source is, what the grounding content is.”
2025-10-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · LexisNexis CEO says the AI law era is already here · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, we're connected, you know, we can connect into DMS, a document management system that has an attorney's prior motions. We have our vault capability so they can load their motions up. So they can still use the motions that they've already developed, right? And that's a perfectly fine way to do things because.”
2025-10-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · LexisNexis CEO says the AI law era is already here · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“One of many reasons I was a horrible lawyer was that moment when you get your first law firm job and you realize, oh, my boss just has a library of their favorite motions on file. And they're going to just pull, they're just going to pull from the card catalog and they're going to change some names and dates and they're going to file this motion. And the judge will recognize the motion and the attorney. And this is all just like a weird formality to get through the next stage of the process, right? And maybe we'll never get to the substantive part of the case because we're just going to settle it, but we need to file this motion we add and elaborate. This really truly was demoralizing. I was like, I'm just doing paperwork.”
2025-10-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · LexisNexis CEO says the AI law era is already here · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Know, I think the stakes are increasing and increasing with our system, what we do is if we have a citation, we will provide a link to that citation so you can click on it and you can see it in our system. And there's no fabricated cases within our system. We have a collection mechanism that ensures that every case in there's a valid case. It's shepherdized. It has headnotes and different tools that the lawyers can use. We're making it really easy if you use our system to check to make sure that the citations that you're bringing to court, not only are they valid and there's still good law, but they're in the right format, right? Like formats important. And so, you know, we check for all these things and make it really easy for the lawyer to do the work that they need to do, right? They need to make sure that case is on point, that that case is still valid.”
2025-10-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · LexisNexis CEO says the AI law era is already here · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, you can never stop an attorney from just taking it into court, not doing the proper work, right? I think that's going to continue to happen. I think somebody's going to lose their license over this at some point, right? And we're seeing the sanctions start to ratchet up. So, you know, it was, you know, a couple attorneys got fined $5,000 apiece and then some attorneys in federal court down in Alabama got referred to the state bar association for disciplinary action.”
2025-10-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · LexisNexis CEO says the AI law era is already here · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“But that was inevitable. The day ChatGBT showed up, like half of the legal pundits I know were like, this is inevitable. Like this outcome will happen. And then it happened. There wasn't even a stutter step. Yeah. It just happened immediately. And that's what I'm trying to push on. Is the solution just LexisNexis has a tool that's better? You should pay for it? Or is the solution that as we take the rigor away from the younger associates, the profession is going to have to build some new guardrails?”
2025-10-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · LexisNexis CEO says the AI law era is already here · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“No, we're definitely thinking about it. And we've incorporated things into our product. I think it's a small percentage of attorneys. These things always make the headlines whenever one happens, but I think it's a small percentage of attorneys that are causing these problems. Most of them, you know, it's never been the standard that you just take something and bring it into court, right? Like you've always had the responsibility as a lawyer to check that material and make sure that it's valid before going into court. And some individuals aren't doing that. We certainly saw that like in the Burke case where some attorneys submitted a document to the court. I think it had like eight citations in it and seven of them were completely. But that was inevitable.”
2025-10-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · LexisNexis CEO says the AI law era is already here · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I don't know that necessarily folks have come up with a lot of solutions around the apprenticeship model. I think that what we're seeing for sure is people are embracing AI. You know, it's here. It's in the courtroom. It's in the law firm two-thirds of attorneys are using AI in their work according to our surveys. They're already using that. And our survey is probably a little outdated. I'd say the number's probably higher. I don't know about you, but I use AI every day practically is in my personal life and in my work life now. And I think the legal profession is, you know, perfectly suited for it. So I think it's only going to expand.”
2025-10-27 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · LexisNexis CEO says the AI law era is already here · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Five years, anytime somebody had a question, they came to that individual. It was a great way to make a career. Now that all the system can do all that information for you. And so his question was like, how is that ever going to happen now in this new world? I think firms are going to struggle with that, but I also think they're going to figure it out. We tend to get some of the smartest and brightest people going into the legal profession. And so far, they seem to have figured out every challenge that's faced the industry in the past. I think they'll figure this one out as well.”
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“Doesn't even make any sense to scratch it off the list, right? Fifth question. Oh, that's interesting. I wouldn't have thought to ask that, but that's really something that's probably important. So I'm going to add that to my list. So there's an efficiency component to it, but I think there's also a better outcome component to it. In terms of the apprenticeship piece of it, I think people are struggling right now to figure out how that's going to impact the apprenticeship model. And if you don't have people, someone was describing to me that they had worked on a situation where they were looking at securitized assets and collecting debt on securitized assets. And when they were associated, they did this project for a company that had 50 states worth of coverage. And so they became the expert in the firm on asset securitization in all 50 states. And for”
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“Right, yeah, and it is an apprentice system, right? And so if you start to take some of the layers out of the bottom, how does everyone skip the bottom layer and still make it to the second layer with the same level of capabilities and skills? I think that's a real challenge. You know, I think the systems are allowing lawyers to not necessarily have the associate do that work, but now they can say, you know, generate me 300 questions or 700 questions. It doesn't take that long to go through 700 questions and the models never get tired. And what our experience is, is they'll go through that list of questions and they'll say, first question, yep, that's good question. I would have thought of that, you know, so the system made it a little bit faster, right? But it didn't really help them any second question, same thing, third question, same thing. Fourth question.”
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“In that thing was how those junior associates learned how to do their job. And that's what I mean, like we're sort of farming out the thinking. And some people might never actually do that thinking. That might change the profession down the line in really substantive ways.”
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