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“Yeah, guys do that, and you're getting zapped for sure by both of us. No, I would just say thank you, Preston, for having me. And thank you for everything that you're doing to advance this cause.”
2023-12-27 · We Study Billionaires · BTC162: The Free Speech Solution - Primal's Miljan Braticevic (Bitcoin Podcast) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Is that the aha moment for a lot of people where it really clicks? It's like, wait, you know, I was using this other client, but I can use my private key and everything is there. A lot of people end up using multiple clients And there are already so many great options in Osters. So that's great to see.”
2023-12-27 · We Study Billionaires · BTC162: The Free Speech Solution - Primal's Miljan Braticevic (Bitcoin Podcast) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Really is special to be a part of something like this so early. And I would really encourage people who maybe haven't taken a look in a few months or ever maybe to take another look. It's quite special.”
2023-12-27 · We Study Billionaires · BTC162: The Free Speech Solution - Primal's Miljan Braticevic (Bitcoin Podcast) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I'd say. And I think for yourself, like you actually are a great person to address this, I think, because you have a big following on both Noster and Twitter. So how do you approach posting on these two different platforms?”
2023-12-27 · We Study Billionaires · BTC162: The Free Speech Solution - Primal's Miljan Braticevic (Bitcoin Podcast) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Same with many other people, let's say Snowden. If you want to hear what the Snowden's actual thoughts about a number of things, just check out the way he riffs with the plebs on Noster. posts on Twitter are much more official sounding. Whereas content on Moster seems more authentic. Same goes for Lynn Alden.”
2023-12-27 · We Study Billionaires · BTC162: The Free Speech Solution - Primal's Miljan Braticevic (Bitcoin Podcast) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Through the feeds is way different than the kind of chill kind of positive vibes that we seem to have on Oster currently. I don't know if this is a result of the network just being young and relatively small, maybe. Although I am noticing something else, which I'd love to get your take on, I am noticing that people who have big followings on both Twitter and Noster seem to be more authentic on Noster. The content that people publish on Noster feels more authentic, more real. So when Jack Dorsey talks about what happened at Twitter on Noster, like seems to be able to get into more details and we kind of seem to be able to kind of get closer to his soul, closer to what he's actually all about.”
2023-12-27 · We Study Billionaires · BTC162: The Free Speech Solution - Primal's Miljan Braticevic (Bitcoin Podcast) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Wow, I love that question. And I've seen many people report this kind of stark difference in the vibe on Oster versus Twitter. I hadn't been on Twitter for a while up until like a few days ago, and I kind of took some time to browse through some feeds. And man, you're right. The feeling that you have in your gut after browsing literally doom scrolling.”
2023-12-27 · We Study Billionaires · BTC162: The Free Speech Solution - Primal's Miljan Braticevic (Bitcoin Podcast) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Where you create, you provide access to all kinds of custom feeds and these type of filtering services and so forth. But then you also enable users to pick from third-party services for their own algorithmic feeds or filtering lists and things like that. When we expose our own services, we do it in a standard way so that other clients can consume those and users can select kind of pick and choose which services they wish to subscribe to. So this, I think, is the internet we all always wanted as opposed to centrally controlled systems that we kind of are subject to until recently.”
2023-12-27 · We Study Billionaires · BTC162: The Free Speech Solution - Primal's Miljan Braticevic (Bitcoin Podcast) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“To classify content, to identify spam content, to identify not safe or work content, etc. And at primal you can opt in to subscribe to those lists. So you can say, yeah, I'm not interested in, I'd like to subscribe to Primal's spam list because it's so easy to spam on Noster and you kind of need machines to be able to deal with this rather than trying to do this manually. But the point here is that the user's choice and the user can say, yes, I actually will subscribe to Primal's spam list or I will not spam filter, right? I might choose another service somewhere else where we're not there yet, but this is kind of the ideal. This is the direction we're going in with Primal and other clients as well, where you build an open source client.”
2023-12-27 · We Study Billionaires · BTC162: The Free Speech Solution - Primal's Miljan Braticevic (Bitcoin Podcast) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So I'll just subscribe to your mute list. And I might do the same for a few dozen of my kind of post-friends. So that way we kind of leverage each other's work on kind of identifying inappropriate content or inappropriate accounts that we consider in our opinion we consider inappropriate because there isn't such a thing as absolute answer here. We're trying to get away from the systems where we have one arbitrary truth and somebody telling us, oh, this is what we consider to be acceptable today. We are kind of moving away from those systems. So to back up, you have your own list on Primal. You can subscribe to other people's mute lists. And then we, at Primal, we offer services that use AI and other kind of methods to identify”
2023-12-27 · We Study Billionaires · BTC162: The Free Speech Solution - Primal's Miljan Braticevic (Bitcoin Podcast) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So Noster allows you to have a mute list. The list of Noster accounts whose content you don't wish to see. So anyone in Noster can have that. You can use your client application to add accounts that kind of manage your own mute list. Now this only goes so far. It's definitely not sufficient to deal with bots, with spam, with other inappropriate content because it is so easy to create these key pairs and create new accounts that are post content that you don't wish to see, that you haven't muted yet. A number of services is kind of sprouting out to help with this situation. So at Primal, we give you the ability to not only define your own mute list, but also subscribe to other people's mute lists. So you kind of tap into the wisdom of the crowd where I trust your judgment, Preston.”
2023-12-27 · We Study Billionaires · BTC162: The Free Speech Solution - Primal's Miljan Braticevic (Bitcoin Podcast) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That's a profound question. So, first of all, we need to recognize that at the protocol layer, there are no gatekeepers. That's the only way something like this can work. So there isn't anything at the Nostra protocol layer that would prevent you from publishing content that many or most or everyone might think is inappropriate and unacceptable. And I think we can all come up with examples of that type of content. How do you provide content moderation on such a radically open network? There's a number of ways, but what's important is that the tools to provide, to kind of control moderation settings should be in the hands of the user. I'll kind of break it down into a few different categories. So the first category is what Noster, the capabilities that Noster protocol itself gives you.”
2023-12-27 · We Study Billionaires · BTC162: The Free Speech Solution - Primal's Miljan Braticevic (Bitcoin Podcast) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“At the beginning of the show, and I kind of speak with a lot of Noster developers privately, and I have a feeling that we wouldn't have Noster the way in the shape that we do have today if we hadn't. Experienced that level of censorship around COVID and other topics. It was really like, that's the reaction. This is kind of the outcome in the free market that we should be very optimistic about.”
2023-12-27 · We Study Billionaires · BTC162: The Free Speech Solution - Primal's Miljan Braticevic (Bitcoin Podcast) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So that's a great example, Preston. I think it's an example that illustrates the level of versatility of Noster as a protocol, the fact that you actually can implement something as complex as GitHub on Noster. I can't think of too many applications that would be more complex than that, actually, that are being currently discussed. So I'm not aware of anybody really diving in deeply to do that. There have been some guys tinkering about it around it. But the need is there. So the pain point is there. GitHub is currently controlled by Microsoft. And there haven't been major issues around censorship on GitHub, but there have been some. So the paint is not like super high at the moment, but the motivation of developers sometimes is really as a result of the pain that we experience out there. In fact, you mentioned the censorship around COVID.”
2023-12-27 · We Study Billionaires · BTC162: The Free Speech Solution - Primal's Miljan Braticevic (Bitcoin Podcast) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That are building on Oster. So when you play this out over the years, you can see how Noster has the potential to grow, to outgrow all of the silos. And essentially, eventually to make the silos look silly. Because of how close they are”
2023-12-27 · We Study Billionaires · BTC162: The Free Speech Solution - Primal's Miljan Braticevic (Bitcoin Podcast) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“All have their, like, as we said, like in internal social graphs. So if you have, let's say, Twitter, Facebook, LinkedIn, they all support social graphs internally, but they're completely separate from each other. So anything that has a social graph, I think eventually will get consumed by an oster. Because every, let's say, if you're building a professional social site like a LinkedIn type of site on Noster, if you're a developer of that type of a service, you will leverage the open social graph that already exists on Oster. You will promote your product, obviously, to sign up users. And by signing up users to Noster version of LinkedIn, you're growing the network for everyone and you're adding kind of gravity to the network and adding network effects for all of the other apps.”
2023-12-27 · We Study Billionaires · BTC162: The Free Speech Solution - Primal's Miljan Braticevic (Bitcoin Podcast) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Just one of the possible applications of Noster. It's one that has taken off in terms of users actually seem to use that type of capability quite a bit. At Noster, the protocol itself is actually more generic and capable of implementing a number of different types of applications. And we're already seeing some early examples of some of those with marketplaces and auction sites and things like Patreon replicas and so forth. So I think that one way to think about it would be that anything that has a social graph, like when you look at the ecosystem of apps and services on the internet, many of them have a social graph, but they're all closed.”
2023-12-27 · We Study Billionaires · BTC162: The Free Speech Solution - Primal's Miljan Braticevic (Bitcoin Podcast) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Noster is moving so quickly that it's like seems impossible for me to even think about it in terms of like three years out. I try to think about what happens in the next few months or the next year. And honestly, like I'm in Oster full time and just keeping up with high quality projects, keeping up with what other people are building is almost a full-time job. That's how much activity we have. In terms of things that I find exciting, we should say that replicating and kind of”
2023-12-27 · We Study Billionaires · BTC162: The Free Speech Solution - Primal's Miljan Braticevic (Bitcoin Podcast) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You're asking for permission every time you log in. May I please log in? You're asking for permission anytime you publish anything. Will you please publish this for me? You're implicitly asking for permission every time your content is accessed by other people. Will you please make sure that people can access my notes or my posts on X, et cetera, et cetera? You're constantly asking for permission where on a permissionless protocol you don't need to do that. You are sovereign of that protocol.”
2023-12-27 · We Study Billionaires · BTC162: The Free Speech Solution - Primal's Miljan Braticevic (Bitcoin Podcast) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Use an Oster app to publish to a set of relays is what gives us this kind of level of redundancy and censorship resistance. And this is all kind of on an open kind of standard, on an open protocol where anyone is allowed to, anyone can create a key pair. Anyone can run an app. Anyone can build an app. Anyone can run a relay. Anyone can build relay software. And anyone can build a sort of services on top of this kind of core layer infrastructure to make things easier and simpler for users. You know, like we're already at the point where users don't necessarily need to handle their keys too much. Once you create the account, you have your key stored. You can store it in a safe place. But then you use an ostra client just like you would use any other social media client.”
2023-12-27 · We Study Billionaires · BTC162: The Free Speech Solution - Primal's Miljan Braticevic (Bitcoin Podcast) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“To a set of relays, not to one specific relay. Therefore, your content and kind of metadata about you is replicated on the Noster network, on as many relays as you wish. Usually people have maybe a dozen relays set up. That's what I have. People sometimes people have more. But the point is you get to pick which relays you want to publish to and you can change that list of relays anytime you want. So any individual relay can go down at any time for any reason without affecting the entire network. And that's it. That's the entirety of the Noster protocol. Message formats and things like that, which we don't need to get into. But essentially this whole notion that a user has a key which completely controls their identity and is able to”
2023-12-27 · We Study Billionaires · BTC162: The Free Speech Solution - Primal's Miljan Braticevic (Bitcoin Podcast) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Their clients to access Noster content as well as create and publish content. So when we create a note using our Noster app, we create the content and then the app signs that note with our private key so that everyone on the Noster network knows that it came from this particular user, let's say Preston. And then the app sends that node to a set of relays, which is the concept number three. That's the final concept. A relay is a very simple server which is able to accept nodes that have been published by users and store them, as well as respond to requests. So if I hit up a relay and if I say, hey, do you know anything about Preston? Here's his public key. The relay will respond with a list of messages that it has. So a key point here is that you as a user, you publish”
2023-12-27 · We Study Billionaires · BTC162: The Free Speech Solution - Primal's Miljan Braticevic (Bitcoin Podcast) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And by the way, you don't need to know how Noster works in order to use it, just like you don't need to know how the car works in order to drive. But for the purpose of this discussion, we're kind of analyzing pros and cons of different approaches of publishing online content and maintaining our online presence. It's good to kind of have a high level understanding of the Nostra protocol. And Noster is so simple that anyone can understand it. at the high level, I think. It's so simple. You don't need to be super technical. Here's how it goes. So there are three main concepts in Oster. The first concept is instead of a username and password, users have a key pair, a public key and a private key. The second concept is we use apps. So that's a concept that everyone's familiar with. We use apps or”
2023-12-27 · We Study Billionaires · BTC162: The Free Speech Solution - Primal's Miljan Braticevic (Bitcoin Podcast) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Bitcoin and Noster at the protocol level are extremely robust. At the protocol level, we've covered Bitcoin over the years in quite a bit of detail, so don't need to get into that now. But Noster, maybe a lot more people need to get up to speed with. Noster has no gatekeepers on the protocol level. Maybe this is a good time to kind of explain how Noster works. Yeah, let's do that.”
2023-12-27 · We Study Billionaires · BTC162: The Free Speech Solution - Primal's Miljan Braticevic (Bitcoin Podcast) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Because you can have as a part of your Noster profile, you have this optional kind of setting that you can set a field that you can set, which is your Bitcoin Lightning address. And most Noster users have this set to their lightning wallet address. And so therefore, Noster becomes your kind of global address book of people you've never met before, you're highly likely to be able to send them some value over the internet. This is really groundbreaking. And this is why ZAPs work, by the way, but what you've demonstrated there, you can just use the wallet to initiate a sent transaction and find somebody on the Nostrum network and send some value back and forth along with a message.”
2023-12-27 · We Study Billionaires · BTC162: The Free Speech Solution - Primal's Miljan Braticevic (Bitcoin Podcast) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“In terms of the feature set and the polish and the capabilities that we're going to bring to our users, I think the future is looking really bright. So the white pill is delivered here too, I think.”
2023-12-27 · We Study Billionaires · BTC162: The Free Speech Solution - Primal's Miljan Braticevic (Bitcoin Podcast) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Type of content they feel is important or relevant by actually sending value over the internet. This is a perfect example of none of this was centrally planned. And Will had a good idea. He decided to implement it because nobody could stop him. It's an open protocol. So he wrote this Noster improvement possibility kind of document saying, hey, this is how I think Zaps should work on Noster. Other Noster developers kind of contributed to it and then the standard was created and other Noster developers started using that specification, that open standard to implement the same feature. So any Noster client will be able to participate in this. And we're only a few months into this. So if you extrapolate”
2023-12-27 · We Study Billionaires · BTC162: The Free Speech Solution - Primal's Miljan Braticevic (Bitcoin Podcast) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Supports a certain special way to connect to Noster applications, so you're kind of interfacing between your social media, an OSTR client, and your Bitcoin Lightning wallet to be able to pull all of this together. And so many people started using that. And the future became so popular that other Oster clients implemented it. And then we took that to another level where we said, wait, let's see what happens if we integrate a lightning wallet into the social media so that people can easily get onboarded, activate their wallet, maybe purchase some SATs if they don't have any through an In-App purchase. And a couple minutes later, they can participate in this Noster social kind of activity, which is just like throwing zaps at each other and kind of supporting each other and kind of signaling which”
2023-12-27 · We Study Billionaires · BTC162: The Free Speech Solution - Primal's Miljan Braticevic (Bitcoin Podcast) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Before we get into that, I'd like to dwell a little bit more on the previous point. What we've just demoed here, because that's a perfect example of the types of things where we as a kind of like a global master development community are overtaking the legacy platforms in terms of features in UX, you will not see this on Twitter. You will not see anything like this in terms of real-time zapping, real-time tipping with an integrated wallet doesn't yet exist on Twitter, even though they've been talking about it for years. And how did we get to this point on Oster? Well, Will from Damos came up with this feature, he called it Zaps to send small amount of Bitcoin to the author of a certain note. And then early iteration of the iterations of that feature involved kind of like an external wallet. So you have a Bitcoin lightning wallet that”
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“Of magnitude greater than on any other decentralized protocol that I'm aware of. But I'm going to make an argument that it's also already bigger than what these massive centrally controlled companies are doing just by the nature of the way that features are developed in these big companies. I've worked at a big company too. I know how long it takes to take a feature to get a feature out. The fact that we as an Oster developers are free to do whatever we want and users are free to use, which any product or service they wish, users will naturally kind of vote with their feet or vote with their patronage and the best products and services will bubble up to the top. And since most of them are built on as open source software, they will be replicated by other services and then upgraded from there. So I think the next”
2023-12-27 · We Study Billionaires · BTC162: The Free Speech Solution - Primal's Miljan Braticevic (Bitcoin Podcast) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Of innovation and experimentation that's happening on Oster is off the charts kind of on a greater magnitude than what's happening inside these closed silo type of companies. Since Noster is a permissionless protocol, anyone is able to publish anything they want on Oster, but also anyone is able to develop anything they want on Oster. And since everything is allowed, everything will be tried. And we're around to witness all of this unfold and developers are trying ton of different things, most of which are probably not going to work out, but some will surprise us some types of features or products will surprise maybe even their creators at how well they stick. So I think the level of experimentation that we're seeing on Oster is already definitely”
2023-12-27 · We Study Billionaires · BTC162: The Free Speech Solution - Primal's Miljan Braticevic (Bitcoin Podcast) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Media hosting service they'd like to use within their clients, of course, with some good defaults as well. The user experience now, like across the board for all the major Noster clients is, I'll say light years ahead of where we were one year ago, right? Yes. I think we're approaching, I think with primal, we were able to get pretty close to the sort of the legacy centrally controlled UX offered by those types of entities that have been added for 10 years plus their multi-billion dollar companies. We within the Oster community are very close, I think, to providing a similar level of user experience. And I would really advise people who haven't taken a look at Noster, let's say in the last few months even, to take another look, they'll be surprised how much better everything is. But then if you look at the trajectory, things are not going to stop here.”
2023-12-27 · We Study Billionaires · BTC162: The Free Speech Solution - Primal's Miljan Braticevic (Bitcoin Podcast) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Maybe come back to the next day to fix stuff that was broken and stuff like that. What we've seen since then is such a large number of projects, the people developing on Oster, both a combination of client applications, as well as services. What you've just described, where you need to upload your profile photo or you want to upload some media with your notes, those notes need to, that media has to be hosted somewhere and there needs to be a service behind it that does those things rather than having just Facebook do everything. What's actually happening on Ostra organically is people are identifying the need for the various services on Oster and they're building them up and standing them up. And application developers are making it easy to their users to pick which, let's say,”
2023-12-27 · We Study Billionaires · BTC162: The Free Speech Solution - Primal's Miljan Braticevic (Bitcoin Podcast) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yes, thanks for reminding me. I think that was an interesting time for sure because you had to do so much by hand. You really needed to be extremely motivated and tech savvy and then motivated some more.”
2023-12-27 · We Study Billionaires · BTC162: The Free Speech Solution - Primal's Miljan Braticevic (Bitcoin Podcast) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And access high quality content. So this was kind of the idea behind Primal. I immediately had a niche to start a company and start building a product that can kind of take the Noster protocol and take it as far as we can possibly take it in terms of quality of UX performance and these types of things so that new users that sign up have a similar experience as when signing up to some of the legacy media platforms while also joining this new network and being able to be in control over their identity and their content and so forth.”
2023-12-27 · We Study Billionaires · BTC162: The Free Speech Solution - Primal's Miljan Braticevic (Bitcoin Podcast) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And started kind of reading through the protocol and realized that this actually is going to work. Back then, as you remember yourself, Preston, the tools were quite primitive. So my thought was like, okay, I think this is going to work, but I wonder how good it can get in terms of actual UX for users who might not be so passionate about sovereignty, but just want to use high quality products.”
2023-12-27 · We Study Billionaires · BTC162: The Free Speech Solution - Primal's Miljan Braticevic (Bitcoin Podcast) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Grown from just a few people to a few hundred thousand people who are now active on the network. And again, this is not in absolute terms. This is not some amazing number. Meta will come out and say we've just onboarded millions of people onto threads or whatever. It's early days and we're growing the network effects of this kind of the nascent network. What's important here and what's noteworthy is that there are a few hundred thousand individuals who value their internet sovereignty enough to have done the work and are using their own self-controlled accounts to collaborate with each other and post content and help the network grow. That's really amazing to watch unfold. I've been extremely humbled to be a part of it from the beginning and back a year ago when I really took a closer look.”
2023-12-27 · We Study Billionaires · BTC162: The Free Speech Solution - Primal's Miljan Braticevic (Bitcoin Podcast) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Of this kind of is unfolding in front of our eyes, and it's really glorious to see how from humble beginnings, you know, things are organically evolving and growing where you don't have any central player controlling or orchestrating any of this. It's just a number of individuals doing what's in their own self-interest, whether they're developers building applications and services on top of this protocol or users who value sovereignty on the internet and are willing this early cohort of users was so motivated that they were willing to suffer through some substandard user experience to actually get onboarded onto this network and start posting content and collaborating with each other. So the network is”
2023-12-27 · We Study Billionaires · BTC162: The Free Speech Solution - Primal's Miljan Braticevic (Bitcoin Podcast) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“No, I think we covered it well. I think now that we've delivered the black bill, it's time to bring out the white bill and essentially talk about the solution because we do have a lot of good news to share here for people who haven't been paying attention to Noster and are curious about the possibilities of solving this type of thing. As you've outlined, the problem is overt centralization of the systems that we have. With Noster, we have the ability to decentralize them. And you mentioned previously that with Noster, we have a technology that's able to do it. Yes, that's true, and I'll go over kind of how this technology works, but it's better than that even not only do we have the technology, the protocol itself, but we have the actual network of people and the ecosystem of applications and services that has already sprouted.”
2023-12-27 · We Study Billionaires · BTC162: The Free Speech Solution - Primal's Miljan Braticevic (Bitcoin Podcast) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“This is not what they had in mind for their product, right? In fact, initially they wanted to build it as a protocol and had it quite open in terms of APIs and things like that. So it was quite a vibrant development platform in the early days. But Jack Dorsey talks about this and he talks about how one thing led to another and these kind of incentives compounded. You had the situation where you have a number of powerful shareholders who want to kind of throw their weight around. And then you also have advertisers who your entire model revenue model is hinging on big advertisers. So they get to throw their weight around as well.”
2023-12-27 · We Study Billionaires · BTC162: The Free Speech Solution - Primal's Miljan Braticevic (Bitcoin Podcast) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I agree with pretty much everything you just said. And I think that if we were to pinpoint the problem here, the actual problem, it is the fact that these silos, these platforms have the capability to do these things, they have the capability to censor speech, to block accounts, et cetera, et cetera. I used to think about censorship in terms of people being censored, people getting censored being the victims here. But my thinking about it has evolved a little bit. And now I also consider people doing the censoring as the victims of this system as well. Because if you have the capability to do it, there will be powerful actors that will show up, that will make you use that capability you have. And this is what we've seen. I'm sure that people who founded Twitter, you know, Jack Dorsey and the company, like.”
2023-12-27 · We Study Billionaires · BTC162: The Free Speech Solution - Primal's Miljan Braticevic (Bitcoin Podcast) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That's an improvement in some ways, but also maybe a step back in some other ways, because then when you have one global kind of moderator, so to speak, they are held to a pretty high standard and they're being watched by everyone. Whereas when you have a number of smaller ones, they can pretty much do whatever they want. And there have been some horror stories there. So this kind of problem area has been known to developers for a while now. We've been all searching for a better system. And then I believe Noster represents not only the next evolution, but maybe the protocol that we've all been looking for. I don't know if maybe you want me to dive in and”
2023-12-27 · We Study Billionaires · BTC162: The Free Speech Solution - Primal's Miljan Braticevic (Bitcoin Podcast) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Who also have absolute control over their own instances? So on Mastodon or these federated types of systems, the way it works is you as a user, you have to pick which instance you're going to create your account on. You say, I'd like to use maybe Bitcoin hackers.org was one instance. So you have to select one. And then you create your account there. Your account is then posted there and is able to access content and accounts from other instances. So there's that connection there. However, the administrator of that instance has absolute control over all of the accounts and content that are created on their instance. So they have the ability to shut down your account, to censor any posts you have, et cetera, et cetera, and also when they shut down your account, you immediately lose all of your social connection.”
2023-12-27 · We Study Billionaires · BTC162: The Free Speech Solution - Primal's Miljan Braticevic (Bitcoin Podcast) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And we should definitely be in control over our own identities on this network and our own content and so forth. So then the next step, you know, this was identified as a problem obviously years ago, much before we ran into the latest problems with severe censorship in recent years and so forth. So one of the approaches that was taken a few years back was this federated approach where you create this somewhat decentralized publishing platform where instead of having one big server and one big owner of everything, you have a collection of smaller servers, smaller owners that are kind of all connected to each other in some ways. But with this federated approach with Mastodon, you have a situation where instead of one big dictator, you get A number of smaller dictators.”
2023-12-27 · We Study Billionaires · BTC162: The Free Speech Solution - Primal's Miljan Braticevic (Bitcoin Podcast) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“As a global community of humans, discuss things, important things and announce important things on Twitter or X. Regardless of what you think of the current owner of this platform, the problem is that there is an owner. And for something like this, this should be a common good. Clearly, if the question is who should own the global town square, the correct answer is nobody. We should all collectively own it.”
2023-12-27 · We Study Billionaires · BTC162: The Free Speech Solution - Primal's Miljan Braticevic (Bitcoin Podcast) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Of big players, exercises, absolute control over those silos in the sense that when you create an account on Twitter, you don't own that account Twitter owns it. Twitter has full control over that account. They can take it away from you. They can shut it down. They can remove some of your posts. So they have complete control over the account, over the content that you publish, as well as all of your connections, all of your followers and people you follow. This is the status quo. Vast majority of the internet operates this way. Vast majority of the users, internet users use internet this way. And regardless of what you think about the current owner of those platforms, Twitter has definitely become a de facto global town square where we”
2023-12-27 · We Study Billionaires · BTC162: The Free Speech Solution - Primal's Miljan Braticevic (Bitcoin Podcast) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, yeah. So for sure that made a lot of us pay attention. So I was in that cohort. I created my kind of Noster account, myster key pair on Damos not even a year ago. I think my anniversary is in like 10 days. So to go back to your question, what is Noster? Why is it important? I think it's useful to back up a little bit and talk about kind of assess the situation that we have with the web in general, with the internet. It has evolved or maybe devolved depending on your point of view into this state where we have a small number of silos that are completely centrally controlled. And we're talking about Twitter slash X being one of those silos, Facebook and their kind of group of companies, you know, a group of products like Instagram and threads and so forth being on other silo. And this hand”
2023-12-27 · We Study Billionaires · BTC162: The Free Speech Solution - Primal's Miljan Braticevic (Bitcoin Podcast) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Discarded it as something that doesn't have much of a chance of succeeding, even though I was keenly interested in decentralized publishing protocols and decentralized social media and things like that. I kind of took a cursory look, you know, hand up. I totally missed it. Didn't take close enough of a look and kind of wrote it off. And then six months later is that time that you're mentioning there December of last year when people started making a little bit more noise about it, Jack Dorsey talked about it on Twitter, Elon included it in his famous tweet about the types of social media platforms that are not acceptable to be linked to. So that was a funny one for sure where kind of he listed, I don't know, like some of the major ones.”
2023-12-27 · We Study Billionaires · BTC162: The Free Speech Solution - Primal's Miljan Braticevic (Bitcoin Podcast) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Sure, interesting that you want to start there because Noster seems to be one of those types of things that people need multiple touch points before they kind of start understanding the importance of it and kind of where it fits in the big picture. So it's kind of like Bitcoin. Like we as Bitcoiners, we saw Bitcoin, kind of, we ignored it multiple times over the years. And one thing that kind of that was supposed to be a fad last time we saw it was six months ago or a couple years ago seems to be still around. And not only that it's around, but it's bigger and more vibrant and more sophisticated than the last time we saw it. So that's the vibe I'm getting from Noster. And by the way, this is what happened to me. I discovered Noster for the first time or kind of I came across Noster for the first time in mid 22. And I wrote it off. I kind of...”
2023-12-27 · We Study Billionaires · BTC162: The Free Speech Solution - Primal's Miljan Braticevic (Bitcoin Podcast) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT