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  1. Believe it or not, most of our stress, however, comes because of what we call nuisances. Nuisances are stressors that don't break you, they're not trauma. Okay? But there are so many of them that you include in your life, so many of them. When Alice wrote, you know, the limit bit of the chapter, she wrote a beautiful script about the first five minutes or ten minutes of your day, and she started to count the stressors that you trigger in your life in those minutes from the very loud alarm, right, to the opening your social media and seeing something upsetting or opening WhatsApp and getting a message you don't like and so on and so forth, right? And this is five minutes, 10 minutes before you even had your coffee, you get 10 15 stressors.

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  2. Believe it or not, ninety three percent of them will recover within three months. Trauma is not what breaks us. The interesting stuff that breaks us is the long application of obsessions, nuisances, and trauma and noise. Obsessions are macro issues that you tell yourself. Don't exist in the real world at all. I have a belly, a little belly, so no one will ever love me. You can obsess about this for the rest of your life, right? And make it your life story and basically create a lot of stress as a result of that script that you told yourself. Nuisances are the little ones, the little forms of that, you know, things that are triggered every day by you passing in front of the mirror as you walk out of the door and you go like, oh man, you're still fat or whatever, right?

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  3. I maximize whatever I can do to achieve financial gains or followers' gains or numbers on the podcast and so on. Amazing. Just add a target and say, and I maximize my well-being in the process. Suddenly the equation becomes incredibly different. It enables you to do this longer. It enables you to do it more effectively. One of the backbone models of unstressable is something we call the three L's, limit learn and lesson, right? And limit, believe it or not, is the absolute core of a lot of what we call nuisances. So let me try to explain this at the very top level. Ninety one percent of people will face at least one but often several PTSD inducing traumatic event in their life. That's like the loss of a loved one or losing your job so unexpectedly to put to the point you have to suffer or whatever. Being in a war zone and so on

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  4. 20% of what you do at work actually achieves the numbers. Okay, that's the truth of all work generated. And in your own day, can you actually do it with the objective of, I'm going to achieve 100% of my target, 110% of my target, but I'm going to do that with the minimum amount of effort, fairly to my employer, I'm not cheating anyone, I'm delivering.

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  5. Because think about it. Relatively, I'm going to spend time with my girlfriend or my wife. I'm going to, you know, relatively, you succeed at what you set your priority to. And is there a balance somewhere? Is there a balance that says I'm going to limit my life? To achieve impact, but the ninety five percent. Give up the 5% and save yourself 80% of the effort. Most people, when people go to work, I'm going to say this, it's going to upset a lot of people. But 80% of the stuff you do at work is just to prove you're alive.

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  6. In a place near the ocean and go out in your boat every morning and the guy goes like I'm going out in my boat every morning already like why are you telling me this story? We've been given a dream We've been given a dream, okay? And that dream is more is better. Faster is better. We've been given a dream that says, I need to billion dollars to feel comfortable. Not really. I mean, you're not a fancy guy. You don't drive a Lamborghini, right? The truth is we really, really, really can have a much bigger impact, an impact on what, by the way. Because if the impact is, I'm going to change the world, is that a better and more important impact than I'm going to hug my daughter?

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  7. Which I was like saying, that's embarrassing. I am so sorry I loved. But this is identical to the story of, you know, there is this very, very interesting fable of the billionaire that goes to the beach somewhere and he finds a fisherman. And the fisherman goes fishing and he gets two fish, you know, sells one in the market and then feeds his family the other one. And so the billionaire goes like, no, no, no, no, no, you're wrong. You're wrong. You're doing this wrong. You should go get four fish or as many as you can. And basically sell them in the market. And he goes like, why? And he says, then you can buy a bigger boat. And what do I do with a bigger boat? You buy even more. You get even more fish, right? And, you know, what do I do with that? You sell all of it and you get a fleet. And, you know, what do you do with the fleet? You get even more fish. And he says, why? And he goes like, then you can retire happily and sit on, you know,

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  8. Or walks or conversations in the corridors or a quick, like, hey, by the way, what's up with this? And we had weekly reviews and we had lots of connections, human connections, right? By the way, most of the time nothing requires you to interrupt the flow most of the time, to interrupt the flow of the weekend. Nothing cannot be discussed in the weekly review on Monday. And I think that the reality is that we're creating, we're saying it's an addiction. You're creating all of those circumstances to make it look like everything is so It's so crucial and it's so urgent and it's so important because we can squeeze out that five percent more efficiency. Yeah, I give up on the 5% more. And 95% of the efficiency, you can achieve with 20% of the work.

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  9. Because you initiate one email and you get a shitload of emails back right? And what's the point? Right? Why don't you just simply tell yourself, hey, by the way, I have no need to prove that I exist. The proof that I exist is I deliver my numbers. Right? And so when I initiated and emailed people, read it, said the

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  10. Said Mo. What do you think of that? If an email didn't say Mo, what did you think of that? I wouldn't respond. They're not asking for my opinion. Why should I?

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  11. How valuable is that hour as compared to the consumption hours? All of the hours where your being used not to realize your potential, but to react to potentially you've already achieved. And for all of work, I mean, when I ran my business at Google, I refused to be in meetings openly. I was like, why? And by the way, I encouraged my people, the idea of showing up in a meeting is just to say, hey, by the way, I'm here. I clicked in in the morning, stamped my entry card or whatever. I don't know what you call it in English, but I attended and I'm alive. Look at me. I'm sending an email just so that you know I exist. I think in my entire career, 12 years at Google, I sent four emails. I initiated four emails. Okay? Yes, I responded to emails that basically...

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  12. When presented with opportunities, you go like, come on, man, push yourself a little bit. Right? Two things happen. You push yourself to the point where you end up getting burned out. By the way. Like your body just can't take it anymore, right? At the same time, what ends up happening is that you're depriving yourself of the true productivity. The true productivity is that one hour in the morning where you're not stressed or your calendar is not loaded, or you sit down and write the perfect email to someone that changes something or make the perfect call to someone that does something for you, or you write down a concept that fits in your next book and so on and so forth. And that applies to everyone. It is that one hour in the morning where I make my coffee and I sit to it, Hannah, my wife, and you connect so deeply. Right? It's that one hour. And the question is, how valuable is that?

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  13. Yeah. And so the question is where is the balance? Is the balance is the balance in me loathing my calendar for my potential or is the balance in freeing my calendar for my potential? So this year, for example, I have, I struggled with two things. I mean, my team is an incredible team who are very motivated, very, very hardworking, and each carries a separate responsibility, right? So they'd all pull on my availability, right? to get things achieved. And so what do they do? One will pop up and say, I have this incredible guest, you know, this Stephen Bartlett guy is great guy who should have him on your podcast. You're going to be in London that day. Why don't you invite him over? And then another will say, oh, but hold on. You know, this newspaper wants to talk to you. And then a third will say, oh, but there is this customer that wants you to speak and so on, right? And what ends up happening is that you and I, don't blame you and every one of us.

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  14. Be free and Why I'm doing it not the truth, you know that for a fact that the week you don't work is the week you are most productive. You know that for a fact that, you know, that, I mean, think about it, huh? I could load my calendar with a million podcast interviews, and that would never allow me the time to write a book. The reason why you may have a difference to anything, to your relationship with your loved ones, to your career, to a contribution to whatever, is because you allow yourself those spaces in which creativity happens, in which ingenuity happens, in which real connection happens, in which, you know, and you know that for a fact, you know, for a fact that you're heading to Australia, that you're going to produce nothing in that trip other than consuming what you've produced before. Correct

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  15. You had a couple of speaking engagements and four podcast recordings and one trip to do this and right, and then in the middle of all of this actually it was my year this year and you know my mom fell and you know I lost my brother and my sister and you know it was a very difficult year but I didn't know that this was going to be the case back in November when I was planning my February and March right and so we're going through those cycles and then suddenly life pops up and goes like all right let me show you what it is okay and yet you know on the next book or on the next tour or on the next you know work appointment we just overload ourselves to the point that is beyond human it's it is if you ask me it has all of the symptoms of addiction okay you know it is a you know a substance almost that we're using

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  16. You make decisions You design your life, and then the stress follows two and a half months later, okay? I know for a fact this is my fourth book, right? And even though Alice is really, really, really doing an amazing amount of the work that's needed for the book, I get burned out every book, right? Publishing a book is just a grueling job simply because people don't buy books because of the content that's in them, right? They buy them because of the marketing that you do about them, right? And it's, you know, it's my biggest job if I want to get a million people out of stress to simply make them make people pre-order the book because if they pre-order the book the book pops up on the bestseller list and then a million people, not a million, but you know, a hundred thousand people get to see it every day and think about stress, right? The challenge is you know it's going to happen. And yet,

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  17. unable to simply say look, I'm just going to sit down and reflect on the week. Because if you, you know, if you start to sit with yourself, demons pop up. Like, oh, you're not so, you're not good enough. Oh, you know, they didn't like you when you said this. All of the negative thoughts pop up. And interestingly, that psychological discomfort, if you want, one of the easiest way beyond social media, one of the easiest ways to get rid of it is to keep your brain busy in something else. So you keep adding stuff, right? And in a very interesting way, I think you and I both experienced that.

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  18. It's a status Status symbol. So there are two ways we invite stress proudly into our life. One way is I'm busy is a badge of honor now, right? It's like I'm busy means I'm wanted, I'm needed. It means that look at me, you know, I have enough to do, right? And sadly, if you're not in that space, you start to tell yourself maybe I should be in that space. The opposite of sanity, if you ask me, right? Other is because we're unable to sit with our brains.

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  19. With an important person tomorrow, and you're preparing for it, stress is good for you, right? It's turning into anxiety, it's turning into panic attacks, it's turning into, you know, it really is getting the toll on, you know, we're all suffering. So we have to change that. We have to find a way where we can actually deal with our world as it is because we're not going to be able to change that world so that we're not as stressed by it as the world is making it sort of dictating to us that we should be that stressed.

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  20. One top priority Your number one top priority because it seems to me that we are all getting into, forget all of the big picture stuff, you know, economic and geopolitical and so on, but ask me how many of the people that you know, friends, acquaintances, co-workers, whatever, who are not stressed, right? There are studies now that will tell you 70 to 80 percent of clinics visits of doctor visits are because of stress-related illness, right? This is quite serious. And, you know, sometimes you look back at COVID days and you say, this is the biggest pandemic of our time, it's not. Stress is the biggest pandemic of our time. By a very, very, very large margin, almost everyone you know is stressed in an interesting way, right? Now stress in itself is not a bad thing. You know, if you have a presentation or a podcast,

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  21. There is a point in time where your well being is not, as a matter of fact, all the time your well-being is not the result of the events happening in your life. As I said, the slogan of unstressable is it's not the events of your life that stress you, it's the way you deal with them that does. And there is a point, we were chatting before we started filming that, you know, you and I make choices. You and I make choices that stress us, right? And believe it or not, we make those choices not because we're not intelligent enough to recognize the impact. We make those choices because we are so caught up in that cycle. Right. And that cycle keeps speeding up and you get caught up in it. And you and I are the kinds of people that, you know, think a little too much of ourselves. Like I can keep going. I can keep faster. I can go faster. I can take more. The truth is, no, I think we're entering a time of human evolution, if you ask me, where it's about time that you make your well-being.

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  22. The answer that politicians give me, and it's quite interesting when you really think that this is last time we spoke about, you know, AI was, what, a year ago?

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  23. Yeah, I mean, one of the very first principles of unstressable is the idea of limit. So it's the idea of being able to choose what to let in and what not to let in. Because there is that constant attempt to keep up with what's happening that goes beyond human ability. And in reality, as I said, I can't even keep up with what's happening. I don't know if you've seen the latest editions of ChatGPT or Sora or whatever. You can now have full conversations. full conversations with an engine that appears very human, that changes its tonalities, that answers in a very clever way that is so political and so well presented, you know, when you ask the difficult questions, it will say things like, oh, no, you know, this is subject to human ingenuity. And when humans do this, they will seriously? Like a machine is so good at giving

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  24. The uncertainty of geopolitical landscape. It's going to cause stress around, you know, even I am not able to keep up with the speed at which technology is changing, right? So that becomes all of that change, all of that uncertainty, I think is going to cause a situation where a lot of us are dealing with things that might make us anxious.

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  25. You will almost have a plug in the wall where you plug in and you get 100 IQ points more, right? The amount of power that this generates for the company, for the country, for the economy, for the culture becomes prohibitive of every other company and every other culture. And so everyone's competing, right? Most people don't talk about that because they're not aware of the scale of the conflict, if you want. So we are about to head into a world where nations that are struggling economically have found an opportunity to get out of where they are at the expense of the rest of society. And that's going to cause a lot of stress. It's going to cause stress in the replacement of jobs. It's going to cause stress economically. It's going to cause stress about

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  26. Continues to grow, right? But at the same time, the gain of the best hunter was probably two more wives, the gain of the best farmer was probably millions of dollars, the gain of the best industrialist was probably billions of dollars. The award, the reward that you get as a result of automation. So think of it as the conduit that you put your effort through to get something on the other side gets magnified a long time. Now, with what is about to happen from an economic and technological point of view, the gains are going to become massive, right? So one platform owner such as OpenAI, for example, will almost entirely own for a while until they are disrupted the commodity that we call intelligence, right?

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  27. Of the matter is that the events are leading those who are not capable of dealing with stress to a situation where they will be more stressed. And you asked me, what is the state of the world? I think the state of the world is that we, let me try to explain this. Think of hunters-gatherers, right? When hunters-gatherers, when the best hunter in the tribe went out to hunt, you could probably feed the tribe for a couple of days more, right? When the best farmer managed his or her farm better, you could probably feed the tribe for a month more, right? When the best manufacturer manufactured something, you could probably feed or serve the world for a month more.

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  28. But then we suddenly recognized that this probably is the topic of the time, right? So unstressable is a part of a big strategy to try and get a million people out of stress every year simply because I think the mounting stress in the world is one because of events outside most people's controls. And two, it's because stress will cause most stress. So what is happening in our world today, we walk the streets and you feel it, right? You can easily see that people are struggling economically, for example. And so they are behaving in ways that are stressing others. Let's, you know, it's a bit less safe in the city of London. It's a bit, you know, more challenging to make ends meet and so on.

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  29. It is the top topic in my mind. First of all, I wrote this because of my co-author, Alice. Alice came to me at a point in time and she said, you know, you cannot continue to write about happiness and well-being without addressing stress, right? Alice herself had a very stressful stage of her life in her 20s, and she learned through it that it's not the events of your life that stress you. It's the way that you deal with them that does, right? And so we started to work on this.

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  30. So that we can agree to the leaders doing things that we shouldn't allow them to do. And as a result of that, most of us are going to be in a dilemma economically, politically, sometimes safety-wise, and sometimes... Very unusual times.

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  31. To dilute our economies in ways that are affecting, that is, you know, basically everyone feels. But I have to admit, I think that the current Economic and geopolitical view of the world is leading lots of governments in the world to to create conflicts that are That are going to expand beyond the current horizon. I don't know if this is how we want to start the conversation, but I believe, you know how it is. Wars are not the result of conflict. Conflict is the needed trigger to start a war or the illusion of a conflict is the needed trigger to start a war that helps fiscal policy and sets geopolitical stance on situations. And I think our world is becoming quite interestingly a world where the truth is morphed in ways that you and I are unable to figure out so that we can

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  32. The biggest reason is the pace and the unfamiliarity of the change. It's not the devastation of the impact, if you think about it. As I said, I think we can all sail through this. I mean, a big part of my focus this year is to help explain how people can see all that's happening and really Sail through it in a way that doesn't halt the progress, if you want. But so much change in such a short amount of time, I think the reality is that humans become very stressed when we have a lot of unfamiliar change happening in front of us. And I think this is where we stand today. We stand in a world where I think it's led by economics, the level of debt in Western societies that cannot be fixed with the normal execution of fiscal policies that leads governments to

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  33. I remember last time we met in closing, I was telling you we were hitting the perfect storm. Economics, geopolitical, climate, AI, synthetic biology. Yeah. And I think the highlight of it is what I call the end of the truth, if you think about what's about to happen in our world. And I will openly say this is going to be the most stressful time of any generation that we've ever met, you and I. It is so disruptive in so many ways. It's so disruptive. It doesn't have to be stressful. It can be navigated so beautifully. But it is going to be so unusual, so unfamiliar for so many of us, I think.

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  34. I think I'm thanks to you, of course, by the way, and many others, I think my message is getting to a lot of people. I think that's really, really, really, it feels such an honor to be actually making progress on my mission and what I stand for. Ah but I have to say I think the world is changing in so many ways that doing what we've always done may not deliver the same results. So I feel that I have to revisit very deeply how I can continue to help, how I can continue to explain what I think will be probably the most needed in the times to come, but also not, I think most people don't realize how different the world is going to be in the next five years.

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  35. So you get stressed in four modalities mentally, emotionally, physically, or spiritually. And each of those is a different language. So your mental stress speaks to you in a language that is different than your emotional stress. But if you learn that language, then you can easily deal with that stress when it happens. And it's simplest techniques. So we should cover as many of them as we can. So first of all I'm here again. Love it. It's always a pleasure to be with you, Steve. I am doing I am somewhere between the best time of my life and And the most interestingly inviting for change time of my life.

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  36. No matter what their circumstances stress is very good for you until it kills you. And what most people don't understand is that it's an addiction. Stress is a badge of honor. It means that I'm wanted, I'm needed. And the realities that 80% of the stuff you do at work is just to prove you're alive. But we tell ourselves we're too busy. That's a lie. But the truth is that we are getting to the point where this turning into burnout, anxiety, panic attacks, we're all suffering. Now, I think the most interesting part of stress is to understand that what breaks us is that long application of obsessions and nuisances. Nuisances are of stressors that are triggered every day and there are so many of them. The first 10 minutes of your day, you get 10, 15 stressors and then obsessions create a lot of stress as a result of the lies that you told yourself. This is quite serious.

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  37. There are only three ways where stress will break you. But the majority of how stress kills us is because of it. But this is completely within your control. Mo gal, that is bad.

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