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Molly Wood

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“At this point, it makes sense for lawmakers to look at privacy after passing this legislation. You know, if they've been saying this whole time that, yes, privacy is an issue that we see with TikTok and with other technology companies. And, you know, we don't have a national privacy law on the books. And we want to change that. So I think nothing has really changed about that in particular. The bill that they passed is very narrowly targeted at this one issue that they see. And I think that still leaves a lot of other tech policy issues on the table for them to tackle.”
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“That's sort of noisy sale process and whatever lawsuits happen and whatever young people get mad about during the election cycle will increase or decrease the momentum for privacy bills and other kinds of tech regulation.”
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“I think that's definitely significant. But on the other hand, I think there's a difference between a state legislature doing something like this and the U.S. Congress doing it. We're talking about an issue of national security that's within kind of Congress and the federal government's purview. So I think these are kind of different things. And for Montana to enact a ban that is supposed to only impact people in that state, that's really tricky. To do it across the US is kind of an entirely different matter.”
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“It does strike me that should we allow a foreign power any amount of control over an algorithm that's persuasive is what the government will say loudly and often. But it does seem like TikTok has fought off some of these bands in Montana and other states where the states are like, get out of here and TikTok has won or at least fought them to a draw.”
2024-04-25 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Why the TikTok ban won't solve the US's online privacy problems · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“My understanding is that they'd basically be arguing that the government is trying to get rid of TikTok. And in doing so, they're limiting TikTok's own First Amendment rights, and they're also limiting the First Amendment rights of its users that will no longer have this space for expression. And it seems like that's an argument that the courts could take seriously, but I think what will happen here is that it has to be weighed against the national security concerns that the government is saying it's seeing. And a lot of the times courts really, you know, they don't want to be in the business of determining what's a national security issue. So I think that's going to be a really difficult thing for the courts to weigh, and that's really the key issue here.”
2024-04-25 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Why the TikTok ban won't solve the US's online privacy problems · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Alongside all of this is TikTok's promise to go to the courts. They're threatening to make some sort of First Amendment argument. I just keep coming back to the sort of core mechanism of the ban here or the bill, which is that it regulates Apple and Google. Can TikTok even go and say, look, they regulated Apple and Google and kicked us off the store. Now we have a First Amendment problem? What does that argument look like?”
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“Out and say, you know, we're willing to do this. I think another question is what will there be for sale? China would have to approve if the algorithm were for sale because that's essentially a high technology export. Could by dance potentially sell its brand, its content, its user base, perhaps, but that would be worth a lot less than selling it with the algorithm. So I think that remains a really big question.”
2024-04-25 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Why the TikTok ban won't solve the US's online privacy problems · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Is one of the next big questions right now. The companies that come to mind initially are companies like Meta and Google that have their own kind of versions of TikTok competitors of these short form videos, like reels and shorts. Anyone who's been at least loosely following antitrust in the past few years would probably know that that would be a really big uphill battle to usher through a deal like that, through the FTC or DOJ to have these big social media companies buy another enormous social media company that was kind of like one of the only new upstarts to challenge their power. So that seems unlikely. We did see that former Treasury Secretary Steve Minutin was interested in putting together an investor group to buy the company. So maybe that's one option. Maybe there's going to be other groups that we don't know about yet that”
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“Let's end where we started. The Senate has passed the foreign aid bill. It has the TikTok ban, quote unquote, in it. What happens next? Who might actually buy TikTok? And is that going to get totally sidetracked by a lawsuit?”
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“Think they are at certainly a lower level, but I could see them being packaged together with something like a privacy bill if they're attached to a larger piece of legislation and they move together. I think that could kind of like quickly change. It's hard to say because these aren't as sweeping proposals necessarily as a privacy bill that might be given time on the floor on its own. But they could be kind of like pinned on to that and we could see them move more quickly.”
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“Those bills anywhere close to reality? Chart them against the privacy bill. The privacy bill is at 75%. I'm not even sure if it's at 75%. Let's say it's at 75. Where are the algorithmic justice bills?”
2024-04-25 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Why the TikTok ban won't solve the US's online privacy problems · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, that's definitely another big part of the issue. I think there is a bill out there called the Algorithmic Justice and Online Platform Transparency Act that would try to provide more transparency around algorithms and how content is amplified. But right now, we don't really have a lot of insight into why certain things are pushed and others aren't. That's really kind of within a company's own discretion. And I think there's also, you know, a push in Congress to give researchers more access to information that maybe it's fair for a company not to want just the general public to have access to for its own business reasons, but would be helpful for researchers to be able to access so that we can understand more about how these things work and the impact that they have on us.”
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“We're back with Verge Senior Policy Reporter Lauren Finer to discuss how the TikTok band If you look at privacy bill as one component of the set of problems with TikTok, this bill might address that component, right? We don't know what TikTok is doing with our data. We want people to be more control of it. We certainly want to know where that data is going. Here's a bill like this will let people sue TikTok if something goes awry and they'll have more control. The other part of it is like the big systemic question of the internet right now, which is what are these algorithms doing to us? And there's not a lot regulating that or even requiring the companies to be transparent about that. Is there any action over there? Because that feels like the other part of the system that everyone is constantly talking about, whether the platforms are owned by American companies or Chinese companies.”
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“That's probably a good way to think about it. One thing that I think is sometimes important to remember is that lawmakers, they sit on a lot of different committees. You know, it could be easy for someone who's more of like a subject matter expert to be like, you know, doesn't every member of Congress know about this? But really, it's just, you know, members of these committees that are in the weeds on this week to week or month to month. And other members of Congress are working on other things and not as in the weeds. So I think privacy is maybe something that has permeated out of the committee at this point a little bit more because I think there's just a more general awareness about it. We're aware of these state laws. We're aware of online data privacy generally. Antitrust is a little bit of a wonkier topic that takes a little bit more understanding and studying from lawmakers to grasp and understand the nuances of. But yeah, I think that's probably fair to think of it that way, that maybe this has been around long enough.”
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“That we support A federal privacy law just been in the machine for long enough that this bill or some version of this bill has gone through that process and is more realistic. I'm contrasting this to antitrust right now where any antitrust effort is met with the most furious gnashing of teeth possible. Like there isn't some middle ground over there. And maybe that's just going to take a long time. We have to figure it out. But on privacy, it feels like, yeah, there's a middle ground. Like we've been talking about it enough that there are some solutions that everybody agrees on now.”
2024-04-25 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Why the TikTok ban won't solve the US's online privacy problems · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, I mean, I think that's a strategy that we see kind of over and over with legislation that impacts business. A lot of tech companies have come to realize it's better to get out ahead and say we support regulation. And here are the kinds of regulations that we support because they don't want to end up with a bill that they don't like coming down to a vote. So I think a lot of tech companies have gotten a little bit more wise and mature about we have to be involved in this process from the get-go or there's still going to be regulation made about us that we didn't participate in. So that also means that once regulation actually comes to the table, they can take out their red pen and say, you know, yeah, like we like this, this, this, but not this, this, this, and kind of throw some sand in the gears.”
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“I keep thinking about the ads that Meta ran on a bunch of publications for years that just said Facebook welcomes regulation. Those ads were basically to preempt regulation. Like Facebook welcomes regulation and that got a bunch of people to go talk to Facebook and then nothing happened. And it seemed like Facebook got what it wanted, which is to be able to say, we welcome regulation without ever being regulated. Is this when the clock hits zero on that strategy? Like you can only say you welcome regulation for so long until you have to actually welcome the regulation.”
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“Yes, that's definitely true. Then you see net choice, which is a big group that represents a lot of the social media companies. They kind of say like, this is like a good start, but there's a long way to go. They say it fails to create a true national standard and doesn't cover all data collectors equally. So I think we're going to see a mixed bag of reactions here. And, you know, I think as things get closer to introduction and passage through the committee or otherwise, we might see some of these statements more tailored to the key issues that arise.”
2024-04-25 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Why the TikTok ban won't solve the US's online privacy problems · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Let me ask you about sort of the other side of the tech policy world. We know lawmakers have some interest. We know that there's some cautious enthusiasm for this bill. What is the tech industry saying? Because they spend a lot of money lobbying. They have probably killed some of these bills along the way. Is the vibe on this one from the Googles and Facebooks of the world positive, negative, neutral? What's the situation?”
2024-04-25 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Why the TikTok ban won't solve the US's online privacy problems · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Look, I've been covering tech policy for about five years. Privacy has always been a discussion since I've been covering it and probably well before. And we have not gotten a national privacy law. So I would not hold my breath that this is going to pass this year, no matter what lawmakers are saying. But, you know, there are some promising signs in who is actually sponsoring this legislation, the political will around it, and the fact that, you know, It's something that generally both sides want maybe there is some pathway for this to make it through. But again, like I said, I wouldn't necessarily hold my breath for it.”
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“Get real for one second. We might not have a house speaker by May 1st, right? I mean, the Republicans are in pure open internal warfare over some of the aid packages for Ukraine and Israel. It's also an election year. This is kind of a political risk to pass a big privacy bill that will enable new lawsuits. Is this politically realistic this year?”
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“Think we've seen explicit statements about that yet, but I think privacy is something that would generally align with some of the principles that the Biden administration has talked about before. We know they're concerned about AI and kids online safety and privacy is kind of seen as an underpinning of a lot of the things that people are concerned about with those things as well.”
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“Even though this is a discussion draft at this point, I think we can feel pretty confident that it will begin to move pretty quickly through the legislative process, given that both the authors of this bill lead their respective committees in the House and Senate and therefore can set the agenda and say when a bill comes to a vote in their committee. We just saw a legislative hearing earlier this week that included the privacy discussion draft in the House once the long”
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“It's back on the table. We have to do how a bill becomes a law now because you said it hasn't been formally introduced, it's been publicized. It has to get formally introduced. I'm sure there's a series of votes. Other lawmakers have to support it, including House Republicans who are charitably described as a bit chaotic right now. They do have the majority though. Walk us through that process. How likely is any of that to happen at every stage?”
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“Any bipartisan compromise, not everyone's going to get what they want. So I think that's kind of what you see with this bill. You know, some privacy advocates seem pretty supportive of it, but maybe want a few tweaks here and there. Some are a little bit less supportive. But I think overall, we're seeing positive reaction to the idea that a national privacy law is back on the table.”
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“There are some concerns about the spill, though, right? The EFF has a long list of things it would want changed. Some privacy advocates are saying, look, the state bills are actually stronger. We should see how those play out. Are those concerns real? Are they illusory? Is it people trying to get too much from an already sort of compromised process?”
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“It does. So it would basically let consumers sue for their data rights in a shorter time frame than the ADPPA would have allowed. You know, it does have kind of a mechanism to keep this from being from companies from being sued just like over and over and over again because it lets the companies cure whatever misstep they might have made or that they're being accused of before the lawsuit actually goes through. But it also really empowers users to sue for their data rights and would grant them really significant ability to seek damages.”
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“I think sometimes behind the scenes, there's different negotiations that happen and different leaders will have different sticking points where they put their foot down and say, we don't want this to happen, whether that's because of lobbying by companies, whether that's because of some deeply held belief about a certain aspect of law. I'm not quite sure why they didn't just add that in, but I would imagine that there were some other lawmakers who maybe wouldn't have been on board with that if they were to change some of that at the time. That kind of fell apart and now you kind of have this new coalition trying to form around this other framework.”
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“You've been covered in Congress for a long time. You've got a powerful committee chair who says, I need better enforcement provisions in this bill if I'm going to let it through. I know you all want it, but here's the concern that I'm saying out loud. Better enforcement provisions. Why didn't they just add better enforcement provisions?”
2024-04-25 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Why the TikTok ban won't solve the US's online privacy problems · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Cantwell would basically say that she felt like the enforcement mechanisms weren't strong enough in the ADPPA. Is she really was pushing for a strong privacy bill? But I think, you know, a lot of people who have worked on this were a little bit confused about what exactly it was that was keeping her from this because any bipartisan bill, I think we all know, is going to end up being a compromise. And we're working from a place where there's zero national privacy standard. states are continuing to move forward even more quickly with their own state privacy laws. So I think it was kind of confusing for some advocates in this space why she was standing in the way. But, you know, she would point to things like enforcement mechanisms and preemption as areas that she thought could be strengthened.”
2024-04-25 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Why the TikTok ban won't solve the US's online privacy problems · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Know first, it's worth rewinding a little bit back to 2022 when we had another bill that rolls off the tongue, the ADPPA, which was the American Data Privacy and Protection Act. And that bill was pretty popular bipartisan framework. It was introduced by the leaders of the House Energy and Commerce Committee at the time and the Republican ranking member on the Senate Commerce Committee at the time. And that bill was pretty similar in a lot of ways and, you know, would do a lot of the same things that the APRA would do. What's different here is a little bit about how the preemption of state laws works and how the private right of action or the ability of individuals to sue would work. But I think one of the key things that's different is who's leading the bill. And Senator Maria Cantwell, who's the head of the Senate Commerce.”
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“This is the list of things. Every privacy bill has sort of looked like this. We should lower the amount of data. We should give people more controls. We should let you opt out of various kinds of algorithms, especially for things like housing and insurance and education where the bias in the algorithms is just very easy to show over and over again. And we want those things to be as equitable as possible. Why is this bill the one that seems like it has momentum?”
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“Give consumers the ability to correct or export their data, they'd be able to opt out of targeted advertising and out of algorithms for important life decisions, so things like whether they get certain employment or housing, things like that that could have important implications on civil liberties. And it also would importantly give individuals a right to sue if they think that their rights are being violated, but also give companies the chance to correct any information or missteps before that happens.”
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“This bill is still a discussion draft, so that means it wasn't yet formally introduced. But essentially it was authored by Senator Maria Cantwell, who is the chair of the Senate Commerce Committee and a congresswoman Kathy McMorris Rogers, who leads the House to Energy and Commerce Committee. Basically, there's a few different things that this bill would do overall one of the big things it would do is kind of focus on having large companies minimize the data they collect in the first place. So rather than this other framework that you might hear about sometimes called notice and consent, where it's more about having consumers just read a notice and consent to having their data collected, they're really trying to emphasize that companies should really only collect data when it's really necessary to what they're doing. So that by itself would kind of lower the amount of data that's collected on consumers in the first place. And then it would”
2024-04-25 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Why the TikTok ban won't solve the US's online privacy problems · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“We need to take a quick break when we're back. Laura and I talk about the new proposed federal privacy bill, what it does, and what might happen next. We're back with Virge Senior Policy Reporter Lauren Finer discussing Congress's latest attempt. So let's talk about this bill. There is a bill in Congress with some momentum and some co-sponsors, one of which is important to understand and talk about. It's the American Privacy Rights Act APRA rolls right off the tongue. What is in the American Privacy Rights Act?”
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“I think we see it most in privacy because this discussion has been around for a long time and we've seen states really take up the issue of privacy for a while now. But I think we're starting to see it in other areas too. You know, other states are contemplating how to deal with AI and deep fakes. States are thinking about even TikTok we've seen Montana move forward with a version of a TikTok ban. So I think we are seeing some version of pressure, but nothing has risen to the level of pressure from the states as much as privacy just because of how long it's been around and how much we are seeing tangible laws around it.”
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“Yeah, and I think everybody wants to see some smaller companies compete with the big companies in reducing their compliance costs. It just seems like part of the picture. One more question about this. The states have really been leading the way on internet regulation over the past several years now because Congress is so paralyzed, because attacking big tech is a winner for any politician at any level. There are a lot of laws now about regulating the internet in various states in various directions, at various levels of efficacy. Overall, is that providing pressure on Congress to act? Is this dynamic playing out more systematically that, okay, there's a weird patchwork of laws, we need a federal law to come in and preempt them all so we can continue running our businesses? Is that happening in all of the cases or just in privacy?”
2024-04-25 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Why the TikTok ban won't solve the US's online privacy problems · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“No, I think that's absolutely what's happening. California was an early mover here. It used to be we're only really talking about California and their privacy law. Now we have 15 states with their own privacy laws that companies are having to deal with. That's a much different landscape than we've seen in the past and I think is starting to form this reality that lawmakers have kind of known was coming for a long time but wasn't as tangible. There's just this huge patchwork of laws that businesses have to comply with. And they are hearing from businesses that this is really difficult, especially for smaller and lesser resource businesses.”
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“That's one piece of the political puzzle that I think is underappreciated. That as you get 50 different laws in 50 different states, it just becomes harder to do business across the country. Is that providing any real momentum to the federal bill? Are these companies lobbying for a federal bill to avoid that outcome or are they just dealing with it?”
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“I think a lot of these laws are relatively new. They are providing more privacy rights than have ever existed for Americans before. So, you know, I think there's just a lot more that people in those states aren't entitled to when it comes to their data. And I think even more importantly, maybe it's actually pushing Congress to really take this more seriously because the more and more states that are passing their own privacy laws, the more businesses that have to comply with them are saying, all right, well, you know, we'll really get on board with the national law because this is just really difficult to comply with.”
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“Are privacy bills in some of the states, I think it's 15 states have privacy bills. Are those effective? Do we see that people in some states have their privacy better protected than people in other states”
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“Yeah, pretty much. I mean, I think a lot of times those privacy laws, you know, I would really think of them as protecting the business from legal liability and just kind of covering their ground on what sort of things they collect and trying to provide some level of information to the consumer. But I think we all know that no one really reads those privacy policies or those terms of service. People really just click through. And that's something that regulators have contemplated cracking down on more as well.”
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“And then you have One thing I always think about is in terms of service agreements. I lead a sparkling social life constantly thinking about terms of service agreements. That's where people kind of expect the privacy action to be, right? They're going to sign up for Instagram and Instagram is going to have a privacy policy and that means something or doesn't mean something. But there's nothing like uniformly regulating any platform's privacy policy. There's just all these sort of random state laws that are weaker and stronger in some places than others.”
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“In broad strokes. And then you have just like a series of state laws that are attempting to step in where the federal government hasn't to provide more general privacy laws for people's online information. But there's really no national framework for just general data privacy. So that's really the state of where things are in the US today.”
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“There's realistic momentum on a privacy bill. It might actually happen, which has not seen realistic for a long time. To set the stage, what's the current framework of privacy law in the United States?”
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“These two chairs leading it, and in particular Chair Cantwell had been the one who didn't sign on to the earlier version of comprehensive privacy reform. So to have her on this legislation really indicates maybe we could go somewhere.”
2024-04-25 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Why the TikTok ban won't solve the US's online privacy problems · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Privacy seemed to be an issue that had just kind of simmered out for a while. You know, back in 2022, this became a big thing all of a sudden because there was a new bipartisan framework that was supported by a bunch of really important lawmakers in the House and Senate that seemed like a big push for comprehensive privacy legislation. And then that kind of petered out. Then we get to this period where we're talking about TikTok, we're talking about all these things that are not privacy. And then suddenly we get a new privacy bill that's not yet a full bill. It's a discussion draft from the Senate Commerce Committee chair Maria Cantwell and House Energy and Commerce Committee Chair Kathy McMorris Rogers and they work together to create this new comprehensive privacy bill that's really promising because”
2024-04-25 · Decoder with Nilay Patel · Why the TikTok ban won't solve the US's online privacy problems · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“To me personally, the big danger of TikTok is the absolute opaque nature of its algorithm. I don't know why TikTok shop is suddenly trying to sell me off-brand to waltteries, but it's trying to sell me that every single day, and it will not rest until I burn my house down. There's also a lot of concerns about privacy, but data brokers in this country are running rampant. Like if you want to seal a bunch of Americans' personal information, you can just do it. That seems like a problem that is not specific to TikTok and the algorithmic transparency issue is specific to TikTok, but obviously spreads across all the other platforms. It feels like we're pretty close on a privacy bill for the first time in a long time. Tell us about the state of privacy law right now and then tell us what's happening with a potential bill.”
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“Is there any sense on the hill that okay we solved the TikTok problem? That was the big bad. That's China brainwashing all the kids. Now we should come back to privacy and we should come back to algorithmic transparency and all the other stuff we've been talking about.”
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“That's right. Yeah. I mean, it really, I think by design in a way, it really deals with this one singular issue of TikToks ownership by a China-based parent company. It's really not getting into everything else and all the other issues there are in the tech space. It's really dealing with this one discrete problem.”
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