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Natalie Livingstone

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“Yeah, well, that's a breadfrost trail. I mean, like, you know, the thing is if any of the French rostrals want to invite me to one of their vineyards, I'm up for it. Yeah, yeah, I'll very happy to test that out. Absolutely.”
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“Okay, I'm going to say something really nauseating and sucky uppy. I've got to say that Hannah Rothschild and everything that she's done, I find truly, truly inspiring. And I look at, yeah.”
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“Would marry in the family. So only a Rothschild would be worthy of a Rothschild. So that was one of the ways in which the family was kind of kept together. But actually, I would say, well, I think it worked to an extent, but it didn't for a couple of generations when Rothschild's intermarried married cousins and nieces. But it was an amazing new word I learned, endogamy. I didn't know that before. These are endogamous matches. I mean, they seem absolutely hideous to us now. But at the time, they were just seen as being really important to maintaining the integrity of the family and the business. And it's unbelievable to think of making that sacrifice now, but that was very much part of the duties of being a Rothschild.”
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“Yeah, oh God, that's a great question. Yeah. I think you just need to take an example. So Hannah Baron Cohen, Nathan's wife. She had an amazing way of marrying those two aspects of who the family were. And she was extremely accultured. So while she had one foot very, very firmly in the camp of teaching her children about Jewish values, teaching her children Jewish history and educating them in the traditions of their family. She also made sure that she educated them in the ways of the British upper class and that they were able to move seamlessly from one world to another. A part of that was this kind of unwritten rule that they had to marry within the family so that that would continue the Jewish religion. And preferably they”
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“No. No. I mean, to be honest, without the women, the Rothschilds are a very, very, very wealthy back. And the women gave so much the literature, the culture, the art, the science of sport, the political savoir-faire. I mean, I can't imagine what the family would be like without the contribution of these unbelievable women. But I would say that, wouldn't I?”
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“Something that I commented on. You don't always have to shout the loudest. You don't always have to make the most noise in order to have the longest running impact.”
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“Yeah, I don't think there's so much to learn from them. And what is fascinating is the individual stories and their individual struggles and the way in which they negotiated and navigated their trail. I think that they did whatever they could to try and maximize on their experience and to try and do as much as they possibly could within the confines of the family and within the confines of society at the time. I mean Miriam Rothschild in her original essay says, you know, the thing about her ancestors, there were no, there wasn't a rebellious streak. They weren't outright rebels. But what they did was change society and change views and challenge preconceptions subtly and slowly and with a huge amount of grace. And I think that that's...”
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“Yeah, exactly. That's exactly right. I mean, I think that there was this sense with Mika that she was always trying to save her father. I think with both Miriam and Nika, their careers were kind of a subconscious attempt to save their father. Miriam inherited her love of insects from her father. Nika inherited her love of jazz from her father. And Thealonious monk almost became the embodiment of her father. And if there was a soundtrack to Nika's life, it would have been called saving Theologia's because that was what she dedicated the rest of her life to doing. She even went to jail for him. So it was a true love.”
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“Yeah, I mean, I think the fortunate thing for Nika is that she had the funds to support her passion. And that was unique at the time. So she was really able not only to understand these musicians. I mean, Theologious Monk suffered very, very badly from manic depression. And Nika was very sensitive to that and did almost anything she could to help him, whatever remedies.”
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“Back to her life. So she left her kids, she left her husband, she moved to New York, and she basically became the patron saint of the bebop movement. There were so many jazz musicians, Charlie Parker, the Ohlonius Mug whose career she made. I mean, whatever they needed, whatever they wanted, if they were drunk and stoned at three o'clock in the morning, they would just telephone Nika in her hotel room and she sent her Rolls-Royce to come and come and get them. If they were having a really hard time emotionally, they would.”
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“Yeah, I can. How long do we have? Well, Niko was Miriam's sister and Razika's daughter. And she became known as the jazz baroness. Her story is quite amazing. Up until the eve of her 40th birthday, Nika was following the traditional conventional trajectory of a Rothschild woman. She married an aristocrat called Jules O'Conningswater. They had four children. Then on the eve of her 40th birthday, she heard a record from a jazz musician called Theolonius Monk. And it kind of had this hypnotic effect on her. She listened to it and listened to it, listened to it. And there was something in her that she knew it was like this kind of crazy calling. She knew she had to meet the erroneous monk. So she went over to Paris and she met the Elonious. And it was this kind of explosion that happened in her. And she just knew that she couldn't go.”
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“Voted exclamation mark. So she was thrilled that she won the right to vote, but it wasn't a fight that many of them chose to embark on.”
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“Again, another amazing question. I mean, the interesting thing about being a Rothschild and being a woman and women having the vote is that Rothschilds were upper class. They were part of the plutocracy. They had a huge amount of money. So would it have, there were very few Rothschilds actually who actually put their weight behind the suffragette movement because actually it wasn't really in their interest and the closest that any of the Rothschild women came to it was Constance Rothschild who became the president of the National Union of Working Women. But there aren't very many recordings in her diary about her desire to support the suffragette. The only thing that speaks volumes about how she felt about voting was on the first day that she could vote was she just wrote there was just one word in her diary.”
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“Yes, well, yeah, exactly like the men were obsessed with the bank. But also, this is in the middle of the First World War. So a lot of the men had been sent away to fight. So the women were left and they were able to really manifest and develop these political views.”
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“Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, there are actually quite funny letters that Rosika wrote to Dolly. There was one of her cousins was called Marie, and Marie was staunchly anti-Zionist. And they were at lunch together in 1916. And Razika wrote to Dolly, oh my goodness, I was completely attacked by Marie in the most savage way. And she didn't stop going on and on and on at me. And she was absolutely furious because this, you know. She felt like Razika felt it was impolite to defend herself. So yeah, there were huge ruptures and ruptures in the family about the Balfour Decoration. In fact, especially the women, because it was actually the women who were more politically active than the men. The men. Because the men were so obsessed with the bathroom.”
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“No, absolutely not. I mean, the family was really torn in two about the Balfour Declaration. There was a sense that, and this is 1917, I think before the incidents that are being referred to. But there were two separate camps in the family. One felt we are English Jews. We've worked so hard to become accepted in the establishment. Why on earth would we want to be nationals of another country? Why on earth would we want to sacrifice all the wonderful English culture and all the English customs that we've embraced and the fact that we've been embraced in order to become Zionists? So yes, there was this big split and actually there was a lot of disagreement and I don't think there was ever a full consensus about whether they were as Razika would. Say wisemanites.”
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“Well, that's another amazing question. I mean, luckily I've been extremely fortunate to have the support of Hannah Rothschild, who has been amazing. She was so kind and so supportive to me when I first had the idea of the project and she couldn't have been any more wonderful. And her father Jacob has been extraordinary as well. So I've been very, very lucky that the family has been very supportive.”
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“Well, that's a good question. I think, yeah, it's a great question. I think the reality is there was a mix of everything. There were some elements, for example, Charlotte Rothschild, who was the wife of Lionel Rothschild, and Hannah's daughter-in-law had an extremely close friendship with Disraeli. So she was able to fund his political ambitions, but she became amused for him and his writing. So it was a very relationship. Did Disraeli benefit from her generous hospitality, of course? But I think their adoration of each other went far deeper than the depth of the Rothschild's coffers. So I think, you know, there was a bit of everything.”
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“Miriam had this amazing ability to get involved with all of the live issues of her day. And because she was a scientist, she was fascinated in the behaviour of mammals. So she was called upon to kind of look at this homosexuality in a very kind of scientific from a scientific point of view. And she wrote this paper, which was very, very ahead of her time and said, you know, this is natural at a time when it wasn't considered natural tragically.”
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“Illness was treated in, and Miriam was absolutely at the vanguard of that, which is, you know, absolutely incredible decades ahead of her time. And if that wasn't enough, she helped contribute to writing the Wolfenden report, which was the document in which homosexuality was decriminalized. So there's really very little that Miriam didn't do.”
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“Into an asylum. But Miriam wouldn't have that. She was absolutely determined that going to take her sister out of an asylum. And she brought her home and she cared for her at home. And this was very, very unusual for the time because it was just not the done thing and she was a pioneer when it came to that. But Miriam was very inclusive in the way that she handled issues. So it wasn't enough for her to help a member of her family to ameliorate their circumstances. She also wanted to ameliorate the circumstances of all people who were suffering from schizophrenia. So she used a lot of her scientific knowledge to set up the schizophrenia research foundation and the premise of it was to treat mental illness in the same way that physical”
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“Thought she just was so loyal to her principles. She was also an active campaigner for mental health. Miriam's father, yes, had suffered terribly from mental illness. Her father child's actually killed himself in 1923. And unfortunately, Charles' daughter, Liberty and Miriam's sister, suffered really, really badly from schizophrenia. And at the time, mental illness was treated in an extraordinarily barbaric way. I mean, patients were subjected to huge, huge doses of insulin until it induced an epileptic seizure. They were given lobotomies. And it's highly likely that Dr. Freudenberg, who was Liberties Doctor, did administer these treatments on liberty. And she was also put in”
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“No, not at all Exactly, because even in the 20th century, female Rothschilds were not afforded the same educational benefits at their male counterparts were. So Miriam wasn't educated formally in science, but she took herself off to Polytechnic and she taught herself everything that she knew. And she became a world-renowned scientist. I mean, she got eight honorary doctorates by the end of her career. But science wasn't enough for her. Miriam was a precocious environmentalist. You know, I always kind of think, you know, before Stella McCartney, there was Miriam Rothschild. She refused to wear leather. She wouldn't eat meat. She had these traditional Wellington boots, which would have trademark item of clothing, these white plastic Wellington boots that she wore everywhere, even to Buckingham Palace. Extraordinary. She really didn't care about what anyone”
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“Queen of Fleas, she was obsessed with fleas. She discovered the mechanism by which the flea jumps. That was her original contribution to entomology. And a journalist who interviewed her for the Times in 1999 said it's impossible to prepare for a meeting with Miriam Rothschild. Just imagine Beatrix Potter and amphetamines and you become close. I mean, this was a person who was just so intellectually curious. So she was fascinated by fleas. She was a self-taught scientist.”
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“I mean, no, but I work like, yeah, exactly. I would say that honestly, each of the women in their respective ways was incredibly moving and absolutely fascinating. Would I have wanted to walk in their shoes? No, I think their shoes were really uncomfortable. I think, you know, the weight of the Rothschild name really bore down upon them in many respects. I've got to say, as I reach the 20th century, I fell more and more passionately in love with the women, maybe just because I could relate to them more. But Razika had three daughters, Miriam, Nika, and Liberty. And if I had to pick a character who I was completely spellbound by, I think it has to be Miriam. You know, I mentioned her at the beginning. She was a true polymath. I mean, it's impossible to describe her. She was known as the”
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“Content to be British Jews, she understood that how essential Zionism was and how important the foundation of the State of Israel was for the Jewish people”
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“Easy family to settle into. I mean, eccentric doesn't even come to it, and not only that, unfortunately her husband Charles suffered terribly from mental illness. So Razika had a lot to contend with, but she was an amazingly astute political observer. And when the letter from Heim Weitzman arrived, landed on her doorstep, and after her first meeting with Heim Weitzman, she wrote to her cousin Dolly. She said, I love fanatics and idealists and Heim Weitzman is both. And I think that was the appeal for the fact that Heim Weitzman had this dream and was so driven and had this extraordinary vision and Roseika was so forward thinking that she understood that this was the only future for the Jewish nation. So most people in her family were just”
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“I mean, Razika definitely merits a biography of her own. Absolutely amazing, this kind of rakish Hungarian figure who married relatively late in life. She married Charles Rothschild, who was the second son of Lord Rothschild. And they met on a butterfly hunting trip in the Carpathian Mountains. And Rosika was truly amazing. She was very, very sporty. She brought the overarm served Hungarian women's tennis and used that to win the national championships. And she was very independent. She was obsessed with Proust. She was incredibly literary. She met Charles, fell in love with Charles, moved to England on the eve of the Second World War, and settled into a foreign country where it wasn't her mother language. And she also had to settle into a family. And I don't think the Rothschilds were a particular”
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“The British political elite, so much so that our friend Nancy Aster described Heim Weitzman as the only decent Jew she'd ever met. So, yeah, Razika obviously did an outstanding job. But the amazing thing about all of this is that Razika was working behind the scenes for 18 months. And it was only at the end of 1916 that Walter Rothschild, her brother-in-law, even became involved in it. And Walter Rothschild wasn't a Zionist, he was a zoologist, he was famed for riding his zebra to Buckingham Palace and his enormous flea and insect collection. He wasn't a politician. Razika was a politician of the family. And yet her contribution has just been airbrushed out of the picture. And it was so thrilling to be able to really get into her character and really understand the workings of this.”
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“Who persuaded the family to listen to Heim Weitzman, and she for 18 months mounted this unbelievable campaign to try and lobby not only the members of her family who were cynical and undecided about Zionism, but also the British political elites who were quite sceptical of this chemist from Manchester, Heim Weitzman, who had a very kind of rough and ready way of speaking. And she managed to marshal him and to mold him into this really astute and articulate political activist.”
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“I mean, it's an amazing story because the Balfour Declaration is indelibly associated with the name of its recipient Walter Rothschild. And in fact, you and I run the Clifton Literary Festival. And I remember in the first year, we did an event celebrating 100 years of the Valfor Declaration. And we distributed copies of the Balfour Declaration so everyone could read it. And it said, dear Lord Rothschild. And at no point in that session did I question its recipient. And only when I was going, when I was in the archives in Wadston and researching one of the later 20s, one of the later Rothchilds, this amazing Hungarian woman called Razika, did I discover that Razika was the first person to introduce a Rothschild family to Haim Weitzman, who was the father of Zionism. It was Razika.”
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“Sure, so the Balfour Declaration was a piece of paper that was issued in 1917 in which the British government pledged their support to a Jewish homeland in Palestine. And just to kind of go back a couple of centuries to your point about the Rothschild women in politics, the amazing thing is that the Rothschild women, starting from Hannah, going on to her daughter-in-law Charlotte, had this extraordinary political sensibility. They realized that in order for Jews to have representation in the country, in order for Jews to have respect as a way of fighting anti-Semitism and prejudice, it was essential that Jews were able to be represented in parliament. So that was a journey that was pioneered by Rothschild women. Often that they are left out of the story for. So it's a long-standing journey. With the Falfour Declaration in particular,”
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“Yes, they gave the, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. She decided that she wanted to give the pictures more space. And that kind of gave each artist their own story and it gave more integrity to the painters. And the other thing that she did that was absolutely brilliant is she.”
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“In London at the time. And they were looking around the Royal Academy and they were looking at the way in which paintings were hung. And at the time paintings in the Royal Academy were hung very tightly, very close next to each other and even on the ceiling. And it was really impossible to actually get a sense of what these paintings were about. So Blanche decided that she was going to hang a painting, she wanted paintings to be hung in a much more modern way. She wanted art to be seen in a much more modern way. So she funded and founded the Grovener Gallery, which became this incredibly exciting, wonderful place that drew all of the artistic, the condescente of the time, anyone who was anyone visited the Grovener Gallery.”
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“Yes, Blanche is an amazing character, and I guess if there's one person, if you kind of embodies what the Rothschild woman is, it's Blanche because Blanche was the daughter of a very interesting woman, the daughter of Hannah, annoyingly and confusingly called Hannah Meyer, who was the first Rothschild to convert. So she converted to Christianity. So Blanche was the product of an apostate. She was the product of someone who had the first Rothschild who had converted to Christianity. So she was an outsider. So she was born, she never found her place in her family, in society. She wasn't quite Jewish. She wasn't quite Christian, but she was an incredibly talented painter. And she married an aristocrat called Coots Lindsay. And together they decided that they were going to shake up the way that art”
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“Totally Absolutely extraordinary. And Louisa attempted to write, her sister wrote beautiful stories, and they discovered an amazing Portuguese, a Jewish writer called Grace Aguilar, who went on to write a feminine work about Jewish women called the Women of Israel. So this really was a kind of a scene where literary and creative endeavors could thrive. It was all brought about because of Louisa. And yet, tragically, she was unable to put her name to it because it just wasn't the done thing for a woman to be a writer and an editor, let alone a Rothschild woman.”
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“Almost entirely excluded from English language literary culture in the 1840s. Louisa, along with her sister, embarked on a publishing project to promote cultural and religious pride amongst English Jews that became known as the Cheap Jewish Library. And this was an amazing thing, these 18 short stories. And it took them a decade to put together. But because of the way that things were for women, Louisa wasn't allowed to put her name to it. So she had to work alongside a rabbi called David Aaron de Sola, who became her mentor. She produced these extraordinary pieces of work about Jewish culture, about Jewish pride and about the Jewish religion. And she commissioned an incredible array of really... Really brilliant female Jewish writers who would not have had a voice apart other than her.”
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“Yeah, well, I mean, the amazing thing about these women is that whatever sector of society you look at, be it science, be it art, be it music, be it sport, be it politics, there is a Rothschild woman who blazed the trail. And just discovering them was an absolute joy. I guess one of the most exciting and fascinating stories that I read about was the story of Louisa de Rothschild. Louisa was the daughter of the feisty headstrong Henriette who was shipped over from the Frankfurt Ghetto to London by her mother. And she was very, very different from her mother. She could not have been more diametrically opposed. She was a very self-searching, self-doubting woman. She lacked a lot of confidence, but she was passionate about reading. And at a time when Jewish women...”
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“The history books, none of that was part of the narrative because that wasn't how the family wished to represent themselves.”
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“I mean, she was absolutely amazing. At the time, there was this stereotype of the clueless woman called the Doe in the City, with this kind of like clueless, wide-eyed woman who didn't understand finances. And Hannah was the polar opposite of that. She really had an acute awareness of it so much so that when Chile showed signs of going into labour, Hannah was really reluctant to leave the banking house and she dragged herself away just in time for the birth of the grandchild, kissed the grandchild on the head, and then ran back to the banking house because she'd found something that totally gripped her and actually when Nathan died, he added an addendon to his will in which she urged his sons and his brothers to ask for his mother's counsel in all matters financial. So within a generation the terms of Maya Amshalt had been subverted, but the sad thing is none of that made it into”
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“So I went along to the Rothschild Archives in London and I found this incredible wealth of information that showed just how integral Hannah became to the banking dynasty. I'll tell you a story in the summer of 1830 Hannah was due to go to Paris to support her daughter Chile. He was giving birth to her first child. And in the official records of the traditional Rothschild narrative, Hannah goes to Paris, Hannah supports Chile to give birth, Hannah comes home. Actually, in this amazing bundle of letters I found the story, the reality is quite different. Hannah goes to Paris in the summer of 1830. It's just after the July days, the regime of the Duke D'Arlien has been overthrown and Hannah realizes”
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“I was so lucky to actually discover Henriette and Hannah so early on because more incredible dynamic women, I think it would be very difficult to find. And the interesting thing about Hannah, she was 15 years old when she met her husband, Nathan. He came over from the Frankfurt Ghetto to do an apprenticeship for her father, Levi Barrett Cohen. And we're not sure if there was any kind of attraction at that time, but they stayed in touch over the years. And then Hannah married Nathan and moved to Manchester where the Rothschilds at the time were in the textile business. And she started to assist Nathan with the business. And there's this lovely record of letters in which she's really becoming involved in the business. And I thought, God, this is really strange because I thought the will of 1812 said that no woman must get involved.”
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“Had decided that it was essential that she marry and have children with. So eventually the decision was taken that Henriette had to be shipped off to London to be under the care of her brother, Nathan and his wife Hannah Barron Cohen. there was a kind of natural progression from the Frankfurt ghetto to the streets of London. And that's where the story kind of takes off is in the English branch of the family.”
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“No, not at all. I mean, the Rothschild family is vast. And then I kind of made the decision pretty early on is that if the story was going to have any narrative arc, I would have to follow one branch of the family. And it happened that one of my Amschal and Gutler's five daughters, Henriette, at the time of the 1812 will, was unmarried. And that made her fate really hang in the balance. The only thing that Henriette could do for her future was to get married. And this threw Guteler and her five brothers into a state of huge distress. And it became this almost comedy of errors about who was going to marry Henriette. And there were numerous attempts to marry her often from one suitor to another. Henriette was very feisty and headstrong, and she managed to maneuver her way out to marrying these dreadful men. who her mother and her brother”
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“Yes, I mean, it works in a sense that the Rothschild women were very, it was codified that they were outsiders. And there was this sense of absolute inferiority. But it didn't work because Maya Amschel didn't really bank on the extraordinary characters who would emerge from his dynasty. So it was actually impossible for any of them to follow the rules because they were such outliers in their own respective ways.”
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“Sinner got a cool day and his will was read. And there was a codicil in the will in which the women of the family, including Gutler, were disinherited. They were forbidden from taking part in the bank. They were forbidden from working in the bank. They were effectively disinherited. And with this crucial clause, May Angel Rothschild had set the tone of the history of his female, of all the women who came after him in the family. He relegated them very much to second class citizens and outsiders in the family into which they were born.”
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“At the same time, she was pregnant 19 times, 10 children, still 19. And it's absolutely unfathomable. Ten children survived infancy. So she was bringing up 10 children, five girls and five boys in this tiny, tiny house called the Grundshields. God knows how they all managed to find any kind of space. The responsibility of bringing up and educating the children and helping her husband run the banking business. So she was an utterly, utterly extraordinary character, indispensable to Maya Aunt. So I think it must have come as a bitter blow in 1812 when Maya Amshal died just after the day after Yom Kippur, the Jewish day of Atonement, where he'd been standing up and fasting in the”
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“At the time in the ghetto, the Jews were governed by a very tight set of regulations called the Stette. Very oppressive, and this was a system of legal oppression that the Jews lived on. One of the rules was that they were only to be 12 marriages per year in the ghetto. And Guttela and Mayor Anschl were fortunate enough to be one of those 12. But the interesting thing is about Gutela Schnapper is that the Rothschilds is traditionally a male narrative. It's a male dynasty. It's about banking. But it was actually Gutela's dowry of 2,400 Golden that actually started Maya Amshaw off, that actually started his business. So without that capital, it's unlikely that anything would have come of this fledgling banking business that my Amshaw Rothschild wanted to set up. If that wasn't enough, Gutler contributed in every sense to the bitter she was a cashier, she was an archivist, she was a bookkeeper, she was incredibly efficient.”
2022-01-18 · Intelligence Squared · The Untold Story of the Rothschild Women, with Natalie Livingstone · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Did she character in a Hans Christian Anderson fairy tale called A Picture Book Without Pictures in which he talks about this house in the ghetto where an old woman sat pining for her sons? But Gutler and Maya Amshaw Rothschild got married in 1777. Now they were only one of 12 marriages that were allowed in the ghetto at the time. So it was quite an achievement even for a woman to get married.”
2022-01-18 · Intelligence Squared · The Untold Story of the Rothschild Women, with Natalie Livingstone · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The buildings were so tightly packed together, so densely, densely packed that there was absolutely no sunlight. And it was in these extraordinary deprived conditions that the Rothschild patriarch, Maya Amshaw Rothschild, and the Rothschild Matriarch, this wonderful woman called Gutela Schnapper came into being. And in 1970,”
2022-01-18 · Intelligence Squared · The Untold Story of the Rothschild Women, with Natalie Livingstone · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT