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  1. “Poverty ain't looking at what race should belong to. It ain't looking at whether you're white working class or whether you're brown working class. It is just poverty.”

    2026-04-05 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 183. From Bradford to Westminster: Faith, Identity, and Power (Naz Shah) · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source

  2. “Of leadership, where's the leadership that steps up? And Zach Plansky, I don't think, is the answer. I don't think all of them carries. The problem is you've got the charisma on social media, which is two minutes of a nice speech and all airy fairy. But the detail of that, and you know, you guys have been in government, you know what it's like, the detail of how it actually works at the petrol pump, at the dining table, when it costs you, your bananas cost more or your milk cost more, or your bread costs more, and it costs you more for your shoes and all of these things and taxes and all of these things. They've got a clue about that stuff. They ain't got a clue. Farage hasn't got a clue. And it is Tory 2.0 the way he's carrying on, let's be honest, right? And then you've got Plansky, who talks a good talk, but where does it, where's the actual detail of how to run institutions? How do you, where's that leadership? And for me, pushing against Farage is about offering, making an offer to the electorate. Because, you know, like I said,”

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  3. “And with Pakistan, you know, I get frustrated with what's happening at the moment in Pakistan with Imran Khan. And my constituents, no matter where they're from, they have a belonging, a sense of belonging to their home country, to immigrants, right? And there's some sense of belonging isn't just about race and where you've come from. It is that kind of farage and trump belonging of values that are aligned, you know? How do you then separate? It's the same thing with right-wing politics, whether it's Victor Orborn, whether it's, you know, all of these right-wing people who are coming together and talking about things. So for me, what really worries me and keeps me up at night is we don't have that kind of leadership in politics anymore. So we had this layer of, the last kind of leader, I mean, Mamdani kind of books the trend, but the last kind of leader was the Obama-esque type. And after that, all we've got is a Trumps and the Farages and all the rest of it. Where's the next tier?”

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  4. “Yeah, no, no, I get it right. So I would be, you know, when everybody turns up, and I have said this to the community at times, you know, when everybody turns up for a Kashmir photo, and I said, guys, you know, if you did this when you have an education policy or something else that the Tories did, it'd be really, really helpful. You know, you have that and you have that in a humorous way.”

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  5. “That's it. That comes back to it, doesn't it? It comes back down to Palestine, where we're at with the Balfour Declaration. I remember when we were celebrating 100 years of Balfour Declaration, I went in and spoke, yes, we can celebrate the part that was delivered, but there was a part that wasn't delivered, mate.”

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  6. “I had a text from when the business stuff was happening from one of my leading business guys who will still vote for me, but it was like your Labour government no, and he sent me an article. I get that all the time. So you've still got the policies that affect the communities. And, you know, Bradford has got more startups than anywhere outside of London. I can promise you every person wants to be a businessman, wants to be self-employed, and they want to create wealth, right? Wealth creation is not a bad thing. Progressive politics for me and progressive socialism is not a bad thing. How do you instill that? That comes back to our policies. That doesn't come back to whether you like the Muslims or not. That comes back to wealth creation is wealth creation. And poverty ain't asking you whether you're white or black or brown. Poverty affects you all. The Laddin Bradford to the Laddin Barnsley, white working class, Asian Muslim working class, the same issues affect them all. That's what we need to be talking about. That's what we need to take to our electorate. And that's what we're not doing.”

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  7. “Yeah, that isn't a good thing. I completely agree with you 100% on that. When we're going out to be electorate and when we're talking in a different language to be able to communicate those who don't necessarily have English as their first language or as fluent English, and we're talking about policies, we should be the language should be equal across the board. Translated, it shouldn't be that as Muslims. But having said that, one thing I will caveat that with is when I'm talking to my lecturer in Bradford and the Tories have a problem with Islamophobia, if you think I'm not going to talk about it, you've got a different thing coming because the Tories would not give us a definition in 2017 we were looking for a definition of Islamophobia. I am going to use that where they failed that community and they've targeted that community. So I am going to be saying reform is this is what reform thinks about. This is a narrative about reform uses. This is absolutely divides. That I won't apologize for. But ultimately it's about the policies and you will find I promise you in my constituency”

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  8. “I'm not sure I agree with that. So here's the thing, right? I remember Nigel Farage attacking me when the last election happened and I put out a video in Urdu, right? I've got a language skill set and I've got older people. Like my mother doesn't understand fluent English, right? But she's not divided. She's very much part of a community. You know, she gets to train up and down London and she goes to, you know, she knows how to make her way around all the charity shops and there ain't no Asian person.”

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  9. “Yeah, the lead Well, because on Gaza and where the economy is going and the home goals that we've made haven't exactly covered isn't glory. So we've got a lot of, not just young Muslims, the white working class communities as well, not exactly lovers at the moment, do they, let's be honest. So we've got a lot of work to do. And here was a fresh person, local, working class saying, do you know what I'm going to go? And I remember speaking to one guy in Gorton because I went on door knock. And he said, and he actually said to me, he said, oh, she's been to all the Palestinian rallies. And he said this to me. And I said, yeah, but it was our government that gave recognition. And he said to me, and I actually went into his house to pray because I was fasting. And he said, I think he still voted the green candidate, to be fair. But he was like, I'm just fed up of mainstream politicians. And that's a narrative across the board right now.”

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  10. “Yes. So the culture politics, and it comes back to that idea of where we've gone wrong in the last 10 years even. We've gone down this road where we've allowed culture politics and culture wars to invest our politics. What didn't happen in Denton, which I really, really do take issue with, it wasn't sectarian voting. That was not the case. And it wasn't Bradley politics. It was people who, the young Muslim community, just like the ones in Bradford West, who did not like the leadership, you know, didn't use me.”

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  11. “Okay, so the Tories put out leaflets in certain areas where there was a Hindu majority communities in Hindi language. And that was just in the last general election. You know, people communicate.”

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  12. “I think that's all parties are guilty of that one, Rory. You know, I remember the Rory's putting out leaflets in Hindi not so long ago. So tell us about that because...”

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  13. “I don't know if he'll be the leader of a Labour Party in the next election. I genuinely don't know, but how he's behaved in the last few weeks has been, there has been a marked shift. I was in the PLP when he walked in the day before day after Morgan left and the standing innovation he got because the one thing that we need to as Labour MPs, we need to understand is what we can't have is the chaos of the last government. And that was after Prime Minister after Prime Minister and after Prime Minister. We can't have that. But equally, how do you balance it? And it's not something that I'm thinking I am thinking about it, but it's not my ultimate decision. It's down to the whole of a PLP. Do we want to get to that chaos, but then how do we respond to people not liking Kia? And there has been a shift in the last two weeks that I've seen. And I'm just like, okay, I'm going to rethink this now.”

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  14. “Because the parliamentary time was concerned, it became cultural wars and it became all of them things. And I think we should have been more prepared. And I think, you know, and I'm glad as much as I liked Morgan as a person, I think the factionalism was not healthy for us. That was not healthy for us at all because you have to have differences of opinions. And we didn't create the space for that. And since Morgan's gone, I think that has already shifted.”

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  15. “Things where you get into politics and you realize that when you get into government, you know, it was a new thing for us after nine years in opposition. Am I going to vote against the government who I've just been elected with? Or am I just going to make my position clear by not voting with it, but I'm not going to vote against it? And those are difficult, you know, conversations you have to have. And then you'll notice better than anybody, guys, you know, is it the hill that you die on because there might be a bigger hill around the corner and you've got to make them assessments. So for me, for the two-child capital issue, the party committed to a review. And to be honest, they didn't need that to tell them. They should have just done it in the first place. If a winter fuel allowance, again, home goals, how I think we've got there, I just think, where were you ready for government? We had so much crap in the nine years before and it was swallowed up in your time. Remember, we've partygate and all of these things that we didn't have the kind of robust political debates that we should have been having.”

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  16. “Okay, so my majority I'm less concerned about, and the reason I'm less concerned about that is because I know my community was upset with the Labour Party, not me, right? So that's not my responsibility to convince them I'm the best MP for them, right? So that I'm less worried about. And I'm being really honest, I'm less worried about Farage simply because I know that in the elections, local elections, when they take over more councils, as they've been doing and making a crap of it and not knowing how it works because they want to, you know, a shooting from the hip, they've not got leadership, once you scratch the surface of Farrage's talking points, there isn't any depth there. Once that becomes apparent and the election isn't until 2029, I think it will be really, really, it will be, we'll be able to take a stronger case to the electorate. That's what I genuinely think. Call me naive, but I genuinely am an optimist. In terms of where we got to, I think we scored some serious home goals, you know, with the winter fuel allowance, with the child cap benefit. You know, I gave one”

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  17. “But what then? What next? What have you achieved because you felt better? But we do not have, we do not have the moral authority to be outraged whilst there's still things to be done on Palestine. And that does not take me shouting. That takes me having conversations like politicians to convince people and make the case. And we need to do more of that.”

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  18. “Yes, I do. So, one of the things that I've realized, Rory, is you come in here and had a conversation to do with this morning I had a meeting. My first one was the National Police Chiefs Council, Chair of a National Police Chiefs Council on the issue of Islamophobia and the definition and how we need to work on it. And I said to Gavin this morning, I said, look, I said, you come in here, Nuit, you want to change the world. And then you realise it's not by bashing and saying it publicly that the change happens. If change happens in conversations behind the doors and it happens when you convene people and you find allies in your issues. It's not about, you know, grandstanding and looking out in the chamber and being able to say it forcefully. Will that change anything? Will that, you know, as I said this to the independents after the bruising election that I had by, you know, I held on by 707 votes, the only reason they didn't win was because they were crap at campaigning. If they were half as good as me, trust me, I wouldn't have been here. You know, so one of the things I realized with that campaign is, yes, you get it off your chest. You say what you need to say.”

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  19. “My sense of Netanyahu's government is it's not brilliant, it's not brilliant, it's not good for Israel, it's not good for peace in the region, his right-wing rhetoric is very concerning. It's not just his rhetoric, the idea of the previous guy, I forget his name, saying that, you know, Turkey is the next Iran. That was it. That is a worrying conversation. That's a worry. I think anywhere across the world, the idea of how we're moving into that right-wing space, I think we need to go back to the center. I think that needs some real effort by other people. And I'm genuinely, really pleased with the position we took in the last week.”

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  20. “Did damage to the Palestinian cause where we need to get back to? I think we're lacking leadership on these issues now. I feel we have like, it's kind of like a bankruptcy of intellectual thought and leadership on these issues. And that worries me. So I'm very, very much, very, very, much in that space of peace in the Middle East. But I understand a lot more in depth now of how geopolitics works.”

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  21. “God that fire still burns. That fire still burns on the Palestinian issue. I just saw Hussam Zomlot, the Palestinian ambassador last night. I'm really, really pleased that we recognized Palestine. I'm really, really pleased. I'm not happy with this board of peace that's trying to, you know, I'm not convinced that it's going to achieve anything where it's going and the actors that are on that, you know, the right wing kind of bad fear factors. I'm not convinced that Trump's going to resolve that. I think it needs more leadership. I am very, very much about peace in the Middle East. And I just, what's happening at the moment is painful. It's painful because when I came into politics, I remember the day that Trump moved in his last term, moved the American embassy to Jerusalem, and I was literally in tears. And one of my mentors said to me, God doesn't ask you to, you're not responsible for that. God asks you to do the best that you can do. That's all you have to do. So I realized, actually, yes, because I couldn't have stopped it. I couldn't have done anything. But that...”

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  22. “Once Mark made that analogy to me, it clicked and it dropped, and I'm like, okay, so it's not about just hating people, it's more than that. It's how it is structured and manifests. And that understanding was what I was missing.”

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  23. “So, what I didn't understand, Rory, was the narratives. I understand it in the context of Islamophobia because of my experiences. I didn't understand that when you talk about Jews as a collective and the tropes that you use, it creates that hatred, it creates that division, and it targets the community. And that Jews here are not responsible for the actions of Netanyahu, albeit it wasn't Netanyahu's time, the Jews here are not, you know, the idea that we lump people together and hold them responsible. And that is what, you know, I'd learned about Anne Frank when I was at school, but I left at 12, but I didn't understand the Holocaust in all its horrors. You know, I knew the horrors of people dying. I knew the, you know, I'd learned about the shoes and the hair and all of these things I understood from Anne Frank's diary, but I was very, very young, but I didn't understand how that manifested like it does. And I see it as Muslims now how Muslims are treated in the press, how we talk about Muslims. It makes more sense.”

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  24. “What I bought from my mind, which was from my background, was compassion, and what I got was compassion. I went into a synagogue. I was open and honest with the people in the synagogue who were very angry with me, rightly so. And this thought I was a Corbinista. You've got to remember, I didn't know left and right politics. I came into politics of fairness and justice, as naive as that sounds. I'm still in that space. So for me, it wasn't that. And they had an assumption that I was this corbinista. I'd never met Jeremy Corbyn before he'd become before he became the leader of a party, you know? I'd become PPS to John McDonald. I'd never actually met him before. You know, so it was like, so to me, it was about making sure that people understood that I don't have his hard left politics. There was an assumption that because I'm from Bradford and I'm Muslim and that's where I'm going to be. And actually my big fight was around patriarchy. And then the Jewish community were very, Mark Gardner from CST came to see me the next day and actually said to me, you know, this is what it is. And then I thought.”

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  25. “Inside of America, transportation. Why don't we just take Israel to America? It was a Finkelstein's meme. And then when I was suspended, I went and did the non-political thing, which was worked with the Jewish community and didn't do it for the tick box exercise. I genuinely, I didn't understand it. And I was very, very honest about that because I didn't understand it. To me, anti-Semitism was the hatred of Jews and I don't hate Jews. My first official engagement as a member of parliament was going to my local synagogue. And Rudy Leever, may rest in peace. He then came out and said, she's not anti-Semitic. I'd been to a seeda the week before, you know, with Rabbi Laura Jana Klausner. And she was like, well, no, she's not anti-Semitic. So I was like, okay, so how do I apologize rather than trying to make a reason? This is why.”

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  26. “My constituency, I've got the largest Muslim constituency in the UK and there's 60%. You know, I'm born there, Palestine is something that also politicised me without a shadow of doubt. The thing for me was what really upset me more was that I'd done so much on Palestine. And I also recognize it was difficult to recognize that.”

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  27. “Didn't treat them girls like humans. They did not see them, and it took a Muslim man, it took Nazir Afsal to prosecute. It took a Muslim man to see those victims as victims and human beings worthy of justice. That's what it took. So when I look at that, it irks me the idea that these liberal white people who thought, oh, well, we can't do this because of culture. No, no, no. That's not, you wouldn't do that to any of a culture. So why do that to this culture or these members of these communities?”

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  28. “So there is, I tell you what creates a background for grooming or anything, and specifically, it's about power juxtaposed with vulnerability. And what really irks me, really irks me, is that the idea that it was because of racism that we didn't tackle it, that is reverse racism in itself. Because if you have an issue, and this is a Rory, my bane of my life is Bradley Politics in Bradford and Patriarchy, right? And that is about the Labour Party not dealing with block voting and selecting their candidates because they're Labour Party members. And that's been going on for years. When you don't deal with that issue, because you're afraid of what the community will say, that's racism. You wouldn't treat any other community, so don't you tell me that you're actually being racist by not dealing with it. So for me, the idea that those people in positions of power, and this has never been looked at, and this is what I'm really pleased that we're starting to look at, is what about those police officers in South Yorkshire police at the time who said, no.”

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  29. “My honest opinion is that I think we have lots of miscommunication. I think that is fanned and fuelled through the media. I think we need to build a lot of bridges. I think we need to be stronger. The Muslim community now, when I said in parliament not so long ago, you know, Muslims stand with victims of grooming. Lots of people, WhatsApp me and said, thank you finally, finally, finally, because it's been lost, because people shrink and people shrink when you get attacked. And when people shrink, it doesn't give you the confidence to talk about these things. So it's about reclaiming that space. And that's down to people in positions of leadership. And we need to do that more forcefully. So when I'm talking about Pakistanis against grooming, I need to claim that space back to say this is what Muslims actually stand for. That's on me. And that's on the community to be more confident, but we need to give them that confidence because they've shrunk because of Islamophobia and the attacks that they get.”

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  30. “Never makes a press. We've got I remember being on TV talking about this before my political career. So there is absolutely, it is not racist to say there is a pertinent model of abuse, of grooming, of street grooming where the abuser is of Pakistani heritage. That is not racist to say. Right. What is not right is to say every Pakistani is like that. That's not okay. So what do you do? When we do the drink driving campaign, we didn't go to the churches on a Sunday to talk to people about not drinking on a Saturday night and getting driving home. We went to the pubs and the clubs and a public health campaign to try and shift a culture and a mindset. And it's the same. You don't go to the right-wing press to talk about the issues. You go to work with those communities. And where I think we...”

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  31. “So back in 2013 12, before I had political ambitions, I worked with a guy, a really amazing guy called Ansa Ali, who set up together against grooming in Bradford. We remember, we did a sermon, Friday sermon, for all the mosques, and we still, at the time, we think it was the first time it was ever done in the history of Islam. But I know it was the first time it was ever done in the UK where we campaigned to get every mosque to condemn grooming, to talk about it and talk about child sexual exploitation. This was before the Robinsons and the Lax Lennons and Rupert Laws talked about grooming. So we stood by the victims and the community stood by the victims. And what happened was it then got you had the selective outrage for victims from people like Tommy Robinson and others who then and then the first there were campaign university about Muslims haven't stood up against this that is one for the birds and the bees because we have got a track record but that”

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  32. “To say you throw every man out with the bath water, what you do is you change the culture and you change the mindset. So you change the culture of parliament and the institution itself. And that's what you did, but you do that by working with those communities, not against those communities.”

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  33. “So I had to think about that. I'd be very naive and salif if I didn't think about that. But here's the thing. I give an example. When I was campaigning for my mum, people would come up to me for the petition for Jack Straw saying, now's I support you, but I can't put my name to this. Now, in 2016, a girl was went from Bradford. My constituent was brutally raped and murdered Samya Shahid in Pakistan. It was a clear so-called honor killing. Now, in 2019, I had an event, so I support Islamic reliefs campaign for honor her, and it's a campaign to literally claim that word back. And when I did an event, 25 of the top Pakistani businessmen put their names on those tables and sponsored them and sponsored the campaign for honour her. So communities shift. It was only over 100 years ago that a woman threw herself in front of a king's horse to change things. 50% of the population are women. We gave birth to the other 50%.”

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  34. “Absolutely, Rory. I have a responsibility to safeguard, and that's when, because I don't want that injustice to happen. So that is what I want to be defined by. I want to be defined by leadership. I want to be defined by she's brave enough to put her head above a parapet, but that's on any issue. Although it stems from what my experience and lived experience is, but the jury's bill, you know, that's coming through all of these things, I want to be able to contribute to them.”

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  35. “Yes. So the idea of coercion, because coercion is so subtle. And if you're not an expert in it, it's really, really hard to pick up. So coercion and anorexia was another thing for that.”

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  36. “No, because that's up to me, isn't it? It's up to what I do with it. So, some people for me, the thing I want to be defined by is my fight for justice. And that is it. And that justice could be in other forms. So the idea, so I did the assisted dying building. I was on the build committee and I was fighting around vulnerability and safety. So safety and justice go hand in hand for me.”

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  37. “Oh, yeah Somebody paused as my dead father in Pakistan and got a copy of my second Garnama. So the law here, you cannot be married at 15. What do I do with all of this? How do you tell this story? I wanted to tell my story in 2015. I'm glad I didn't at the time. I'm glad I'm doing it now because I'm wiser. So, you know, it's just to influence, I suppose.”

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  38. “So there's one member of a family who's spoken to another member of a family saying why she'd done this, didn't she? Because I went viral. When I stood for parliament in 2015, when I got selected on International Women's Day, I put out a blog because I was against Galloway, right? And we know Galloway doesn't have reputation for his supporters, certainly don't have a reputation for a clean, clean campaign. So I thought, well, he's going to drag this up, so I might as well claim it and put it out there. So I wrote a blog inspired by Barack Obama's Dreams of My Father. Mine was dreams for my mother and my daughter, because I have a daughter. And then it went viral. And that's when it turned, it was like a little by-election campaign where everybody turned up and we really put their effort into it, won the seat. So I talked about it then.”

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  39. “No. So far, I can honestly say to you the amount of meat and my, if you'd have been in Bradford last night, you know, looking at the people that were there last night, it was two nights ago, you would see all the businesses in Bradford, the Pakistani men who were proudly supporting me”

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  40. “Become more confident talking about them. I've become more responsible for talking about them because you have to, you know, for Islam say something beautiful, which is what God will ask you what you did with the gifts that I gave you. And the gift I've got is power, right? It's a platform. So what do I do with that platform if I'm not going to make it better for others? And even by talking about this, talking about sexual abuse, talking about is it an honour, because it still happens. There are still girls and boys who are forced into marriage, who are coerced into marriage. They might not even recognize it because they see it as it's a normal done thing. That's what parents do. No, it isn't. And to be able to stand up, to give them the confidence to say, look, this is not okay. And to get the community to move and shift, you have to then give confidence to people to talk about it.”

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  41. “Up for her, so all of these things we had to really say to my mum, Who are you trying to protect? You know, we want you home. So eventually agreed to tell her story. But it was like washing your dirty linen in public. So even at the time, it was horrific for her. And even now, me writing this book, that's why it's taken me 10 years from when I was first offered a book deal to actually get to it because the amount of stuff that you've got to deal with, the amount of pain that you've got to go through to write it, and then to take your family on that journey with you. Because my sister and my brother, they love the inspiration of a story. My sister said to me very frankly last week, she went, it's an inspiring story, but I just wish it wasn't ours. You know, because it's painful for them.”

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  42. “So, in some ways, we dragged her through it because she was still, I'm not going to talk about this, she was still the concept of isat is it, which is honor. I can't talk about this because of shame, because of, you know, what the prospects for you guys, etc., in the community. And then we had to literally sit her down and figuratively speaking shake ahead and say to her, look, who is he trying to protect the brothers who abandoned you, the community who branded you? You know, all of this, we're serving that sentence with you. We lost the house. The house went back to Uncle Azam's it. You know, we lost all of that. We became homeless again. I spent nights in a crack house. You know, the poverty that we had, the psychological impact it had on my brother from A-Star model student went to, he was only 13, you know, who went to Truantin, smoking all of these things. My sister was sent to Pakistan just before she got arrested. My mum was sent to Pakistan. I had to get her back to stop her from having the same fate that I did of a marriage to another cousin who was like...”

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  43. “I genuinely think that that is true because even the jury of a foreman stepped up and it was very rare, very unusual. When we did the campaign to go to a court of appeal, he actually came forward and went to the press and said, had I known what I know now, I would have never found her guilty of murder.”

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  44. “Abuse, and then she's a fallen woman, and this man is a married man as well. You know, so all of this concoction comes together. There is no way she's going to tell anybody about what she's actually going through. So when she did kill him, when he did die and when she went to court, she did not tell the truth at all.”

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  45. “Yeah, in Britain. In Britain, me and my brother both had TB when we were young. So the conditions that we were living in, we had outside toilets. We only ever stayed in one room because it was too cold. We couldn't heat the house. You know, we lived, even in Britain at that time. We lived in real poverty. And my mum was a single parent. She didn't know the language. And Asham came along with bringing fruit for the kids. So to her, he was like a knight in shining armour. And then the neighbors said, well, he's a businessman. He's got a warehouse. Why don't you let him buy the mortgage, get the mortgage on his name? And then you can pay him back. And when your daughter turns 18, you can transfer the house. That was the noose that kept her in that space. That was the pressure. That was the leverage that he used on her. And this was a fallen woman, remember. So she was a dishonored woman because her husband had left her. Because he gets away, she carries a burden of shame. And now if you imagine, she can't talk about sexual abuse. We don't talk about sex anyway. We don't talk about sexual abuse.”

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  46. “She come across him. He was a neighbour's nephew, and she needed a house, Rory. She wanted a house, so she sold all the jewelry and said to the neighbors, she went to her brother's, they wouldn't buy the house because she couldn't get a mortgage. So she was cleaning, she was doing voluntary work, she was doing bits and pieces with disabled children, but she couldn't get a mortgage. He bought the house in his name. That was the noose around her neck because she'd given up all her jewelry to have the safety of a secure home for her children. The first day took her to her house, he raped her. And that was what set her life on that trajectory of abuse. And sexual abuse. Me and my brother both had TB. You know, we were malnourished. We were living in abject poverty.”

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  47. “He went to prison. He literally pimped her from prison for favours. So there wasn't just him. So she went through all this abuse and exploitation”

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  48. “She got arsenic from Pakistan. She visited Pakistan as a forklore remedy for sexual drive. So she made him, you know, she killed his libido for a few months because she gave him a dose that would stop him from his sexual demand.”

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  49. “So she thought that he had designs on me. He said the grass is greener with your daughter. So when before I hit puberty by 12, when I was hitting puberty, it was like go to Pakistan and to left me there for two and a half years. And then the forced marriage happened at the same time.”

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  50. “Because her brothers said, give up the kids and we'll look after you And she chose her kids. So she lost her effectively, her two brothers' support. So here was one more brother left. She's only got three brothers. And that brother, if you do not marry his son, you will then separate them in death, in their graves, the language that was used. You imagine saying that to a 15-year-old, you're responsible if your mother loses the last brother she's got. That's on you because she's given up the brothers because of you children.”

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