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Neal Barnard

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“But when it comes to overall nutrition, a meat-based diet is the most efficient diet of all. It's much worse than any other kind of diet because meat doesn't have the vitamins that are in vegetables and in fruits. There's not a gram of vitamin C. There is zero fiber. There's no complex carbohydrate at all. Now your cat can be a mediator because cats make their own vitamin C. They say, I don't need it, but we are not cats. We're not carnivores at all, whether we like it or not we're great apes. So our cousins, our chimpanzees and gorillas and bonobos and orangutans, and they are never eating dairy at all. They are mostly or exclusively herbivores. So that's our natural diet.”
2024-02-05 · The Diary of a CEO · The Vegan Dr: The Truth About The Vegan Diet, "Eggs Are Making You Fat", "Stop Eating Cheese!" - Neal Barnard · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Vitamin B12 is the only thing that you do need to supplement, and people following a plant-based diet definitely should be supplementing vitamin B12. But B12 is not made by animals, and it's not made by plants. B12 is made by bacteria. And so people will speculate that prior to the advent of modern hygiene, the traces of bacteria in the soil or on plants that we would pull out are frankly on our fingers or in our mouths would give you the tiny amount that you need. You need 2.4 micrograms per day. You need it for healthy nerves and healthy blood. And you will get B12 from meat because the cows intestinal tract has bacteria that make B12. Some people don't absorb that very well because the B12 in meat is tightly adhered to the protein and some people can't really remove it very well, particularly if you're over 50 or you're on certain medications. But you need B12.”
2024-02-05 · The Diary of a CEO · The Vegan Dr: The Truth About The Vegan Diet, "Eggs Are Making You Fat", "Stop Eating Cheese!" - Neal Barnard · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“didn't give him a new insulin prescription. We got the fat out of his muscle cells, got the fat out of his liver cells, and suddenly his body said, I'll take it from here”
2024-02-05 · The Diary of a CEO · The Vegan Dr: The Truth About The Vegan Diet, "Eggs Are Making You Fat", "Stop Eating Cheese!" - Neal Barnard · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Don't work anymore. Okay, so what do we do? We'll say, let's take the animal products out of your diet. There's now zero animal fat in your diet. Let's keep oils really low too. So baked potato instead of the chips. Okay, no fat in it. Great. What happens, and I can show this to you with magnetic resonance spectroscopy, I can look inside your body. That fat starts to dissipate. And as the fat comes out, I'm not talking about belly fat. That dissipates too. But what I'm targeting now is the fat inside each muscle cell and each liver cell as it comes apart. It leaves, then the insulin key can work again. And I've reversed your insulin resistance and I'm reversing your diabetes. And that's why now the blood sugar can get through that membrane very easily. That's why this man's diabetes went away.”
2024-02-05 · The Diary of a CEO · The Vegan Dr: The Truth About The Vegan Diet, "Eggs Are Making You Fat", "Stop Eating Cheese!" - Neal Barnard · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“French fries. Your body pulls out that fat, packs it in the muscle cell. Now the insulin key comes along, attaches to the surface of the cell. The cell is now filled with fat. It's just like going home, sticking your key in your front door lock that somebody jammed with chewing gum.”
2024-02-05 · The Diary of a CEO · The Vegan Dr: The Truth About The Vegan Diet, "Eggs Are Making You Fat", "Stop Eating Cheese!" - Neal Barnard · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Your body takes that twenty three percent fat in the skinless chicken breast and takes some of that chicken fat, sticks it inside the muscle cell. Fish fat, beef fat, cheese fat, cheese is loaded with fat, and that fat gets inside the muscles. Now, doctors hate words like fat because it only has three letters. So we'll call it intra myocellular lipid, but it's fat inside a muscle cell. Same thing happens in your liver. So that's hepatocellular lipid. The fat is getting into your liver cells. The fat is building up into your muscle cells. It came from the food choices we thought were healthy.”
2024-02-05 · The Diary of a CEO · The Vegan Dr: The Truth About The Vegan Diet, "Eggs Are Making You Fat", "Stop Eating Cheese!" - Neal Barnard · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Not only talking about the lay public, I'm talking about doctors. There are many doctors who have somehow gotten their medical degrees, never understanding the cause of type 2 diabetes. And here's what it is. Is a muscle cell your muscle muscle in your shoulder. If I take a needle in your shoulder, I stick a needle in, I pull a muscle cell out. It's this long oval. Its favorite fuel is glucose. That's why marathon runners are carbolo loading. That glucose gets into the cell and it powers it. But the problem is the cell membrane keeps that glucose out, will not let it in until insulin. The insolent key made in your pancreas arrives at the surface of that cell, opens the door, in goes the glucose. Now, everything's going fine. My pancreas is making insulin. It's letting the glucose in the cell. Things are going great. Eat chicken.”
2024-02-05 · The Diary of a CEO · The Vegan Dr: The Truth About The Vegan Diet, "Eggs Are Making You Fat", "Stop Eating Cheese!" - Neal Barnard · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, let me be clear for what we know and what we believe. What we know is that this man had a result that just hasn't happened before. And it was really remarkable. We've seen this over and over and over again. And when we bring people in who have diabetes and we put them on a Mediterranean diet or something like that, you just don't get the same result in a randomized clinical trial. But we've gone further. We've looked at why is it that this diet is working processed foods are not the cause of diabetes. Eating sugar is not the cause of diabetes. Eating carbohydrate and potatoes and rice, that is not the cause of diabetes. I'm not saying there aren't health issues about all these foods. There are, but the cause of diabetes is something that has been clear in science for two decades and nobody can get this through their...”
2024-02-05 · The Diary of a CEO · The Vegan Dr: The Truth About The Vegan Diet, "Eggs Are Making You Fat", "Stop Eating Cheese!" - Neal Barnard · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“His diabetes has been cured. This was extremely controversial. You can't tell a person their diabetes is gone. Once you have diabetes, you'll always have diabetes. That's what everyone said. And people said that with good reason because they wanted you to take your medicine. Test yourself, don't mess around with this because diabetes will kill you. And that was well-meaning advice. But here was a man who didn't have diabetes. Based on diet changes, we've now, I mean, we can laugh about it now because we see it all the time. Diabetes is a reversible disease. And everything that goes along with it is reversible as well. Then that brings the issue up of how do you answer all the questions that people will raise? Like where do you get your protein and what about B12? But those are quite easy to answer.”
2024-02-05 · The Diary of a CEO · The Vegan Dr: The Truth About The Vegan Diet, "Eggs Are Making You Fat", "Stop Eating Cheese!" - Neal Barnard · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And about two weeks into it, he said, Easiest diet I've ever been on. And that kind of surprised me because people imagine vegan to be hard. And he said, no, super easy. Previous diets that I've been on told me I had to count my calories. And I was hungry all the time. After about a year, he had lost 60 pounds. Without ever limiting calories at all, he had gotten his A1C from nine and a half down to five point three. 5.3 is not diabetes. 5.3 is not pre-diabetes. It's normal. And when I got his lab slip, I have to tell you, I closed my office door. And I paced around for about 10 minutes to try to decide can I tell him?”
2024-02-05 · The Diary of a CEO · The Vegan Dr: The Truth About The Vegan Diet, "Eggs Are Making You Fat", "Stop Eating Cheese!" - Neal Barnard · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Okay, that's a critically important question. But before I answer that, let me go back to why would anybody want to do this? And this is really important because the issues of supplementation are super easy to answer. The issue of why do you want to do it for me, this was answered. About a year into our NIH trial. We had a man who came into our study. He was 35. He'd had diabetes for four years. And he said, I need help. He told me his grandmother had had diabetes. His grandfather had diabetes. His father was dead by 30. He said that if I don't get this, I'm going to check out early. And on the way, I'm going to be on dialysis. I'm going to lose a leg. That's what it meant to him. So we put him on the plant-based diet.”
2024-02-05 · The Diary of a CEO · The Vegan Dr: The Truth About The Vegan Diet, "Eggs Are Making You Fat", "Stop Eating Cheese!" - Neal Barnard · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Chicken and fish and oil and all these kinds of things. This was published in the Journal of the American College of Nutrition, and it just won an award for the best article of the year by the American Nutrition Association. The point being that if you focus not on how much you eat, but if you focus on the types of foods you eat, you get the answer, which is you can satisfy the appetite without counting calories. You don't have to blame yourself. There will still be all kinds of things that will attract you. There will be cravings and so forth, but we can deal with all of that.”
2024-02-05 · The Diary of a CEO · The Vegan Dr: The Truth About The Vegan Diet, "Eggs Are Making You Fat", "Stop Eating Cheese!" - Neal Barnard · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“16 weeks they were totally accommodated to it. I know how to eat at Taco Bell now. I know how to ask for the bean burrito and whatever. We asked them to begin the Mediterranean diet. Said, well, first of all, I don't want to. I've lost my taste for cheese. I don't care about that anymore. He said, This is science. Please do begin the diet. And they got angry. We met with everybody every week, and they were about to walk out because the scale was getting worse week by week by week because we'd reintroduced.”
2024-02-05 · The Diary of a CEO · The Vegan Dr: The Truth About The Vegan Diet, "Eggs Are Making You Fat", "Stop Eating Cheese!" - Neal Barnard · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“We brought in 62 people. They all wanted to lose weight. Half of them went on a low-fat vegan diet. They lost weight really very, very easily. The other half began a Mediterranean diet. Which they thought great. This is indulgent. I'll be able to have fish and some chicken and a little bit of cheese here and there and some extra virgin olive oil. How wonderful. And the foods are wonderful except that by about week three, the participants were saying, well, when does the weight loss start? The fact is it doesn't happen with a Mediterranean diet because the fish fat, the chicken fat, the whatever beef there may be, and all that olive oil is so packed with calories it slows down or stops the weight loss. After 16 weeks, everybody stopped. They switched to the opposite diet. The people who had been going Mediterranean now did the plant-based diet and they start losing weight like crazy. And they said, well, why didn't you give me this before? The people who had been doing the vegan diet.”
2024-02-05 · The Diary of a CEO · The Vegan Dr: The Truth About The Vegan Diet, "Eggs Are Making You Fat", "Stop Eating Cheese!" - Neal Barnard · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, every fat gram has nine calories going right into our body fat that we didn't want. Every carbohydrate gram has only four. So those numbers, I want people to tattoo those numbers on their forearm because all the people who think carbs make them fat. They should realize carbohydrate, no matter what form it's in, bread, potatoes, pure sugar, carbohydrate has only four calories in a gram. But on the other hand, if I have fat, any form, chicken fat, fish fat, olive oil straight from Tuscany, it's got nine calories in every gram. And a person can say, well, it's got to be good fat, isn't it? Sometimes it may be like olive oil, but it's still going to be fattening for you. We did a study.”
2024-02-05 · The Diary of a CEO · The Vegan Dr: The Truth About The Vegan Diet, "Eggs Are Making You Fat", "Stop Eating Cheese!" - Neal Barnard · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“People can lose weight very rapidly and very easily without going hungry and even without exercise, much as I love exercise, but also their health problems get better.”
2024-02-05 · The Diary of a CEO · The Vegan Dr: The Truth About The Vegan Diet, "Eggs Are Making You Fat", "Stop Eating Cheese!" - Neal Barnard · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“On the whole grain bread they were excreting calories. What happens is the fiber goes under digester tract. It finds unabsorbed calories and it carries them out with the waste. You ate the calories, but you didn't absorb them. You flushed them down the toilet. Now, it's not huge. The effect of just that change was about 100 calories per day. That's about a half a soda you're not having, but that's 36,000 calories a year from just that one change. So if we aren't eating animal products, everything we have is fiber, that tames the appetite, you're going to lose weight naturally. What we find is that if I can help people to focus on the type of food they eat and learn to love foods that are better than the spam we grew up with, what you're going to discover is that not only do you solve the weight issue.”
2024-02-05 · The Diary of a CEO · The Vegan Dr: The Truth About The Vegan Diet, "Eggs Are Making You Fat", "Stop Eating Cheese!" - Neal Barnard · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Workshops don't have fiber. Cheese has no fiber. Eggs have no fiber. Then suddenly everything you're eating has fiber. What does that matter? Fiber is this boring word. It puts everybody to sleep. But fiber is big stuff because fiber does two things. It has almost no calories. So it fills you up and it makes you think you had a huge amount of food. The other thing it does is as it goes down your digestive tract. Research is a Tufts University tracked what happens. 2017 study. They brought in individuals and put them on a diet either with high fiber foods, whole grain bread. Compare it to just white bread. It's the same thing, but one has all the fiber, one doesn't. And what they discovered is that the people”
2024-02-05 · The Diary of a CEO · The Vegan Dr: The Truth About The Vegan Diet, "Eggs Are Making You Fat", "Stop Eating Cheese!" - Neal Barnard · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Can't be doing this. I'm starving, and everybody's had that experience. And so then what happens? You blame the patient. The patient blames himself or herself. And I say stop. How can I, without knowing it, reduce the calories that come in? And the answer is really simple. The answer is change the quality of the food, not the amount. Stop worrying about the amount. For 21 days a person did an experiment with me. And I said, for 21 days, no animal products at all. Okay, so I'm at an Italian restaurant, spaghetti not with meat sauce, but with tomato sauce, bean burrito instead of the meat burrito. You're not limiting the amount of food. You are just changing the type. Suddenly the weight kicks in, the weight loss kicks in. People start losing weight and losing weight and losing weight. Why? Because once you ban animal foods, which have zero fiber,”
2024-02-05 · The Diary of a CEO · The Vegan Dr: The Truth About The Vegan Diet, "Eggs Are Making You Fat", "Stop Eating Cheese!" - Neal Barnard · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“True that we're not going to reinvent the laws of thermodynamics. I mean, if you take in fewer calories, you lose weight. The problem is if you voluntarily try to eat less than that your body normally wants, by Wednesday you're ready to eat the sofa. It's just not going to work for you. I have to tell you, in every hospital. Not only in the United States, but everywhere else people will sit down with somebody who wants to lose weight or who wants to tackle their diabetes, and they'll say, you just need to eat less. Here's the menu. It adds up to 500 calories less than before. You stick to this and you lose weight. Well, the patient can't do that. You just can't be hungry forever. Your brain says,”
2024-02-05 · The Diary of a CEO · The Vegan Dr: The Truth About The Vegan Diet, "Eggs Are Making You Fat", "Stop Eating Cheese!" - Neal Barnard · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Use the same kind of debt we're using for diabetes, which in a nutshell, plant based diet, animal products gone, keeping oils really low, but not limiting spaghetti or carbohydrates in general, not limiting calories. And what we found is that people lost weight really easily, but more than that, their metabolism started to ramp up. They're 50 years old or 60 years old, but they're burning calories more like they were burning when they were 30.”
2024-02-05 · The Diary of a CEO · The Vegan Dr: The Truth About The Vegan Diet, "Eggs Are Making You Fat", "Stop Eating Cheese!" - Neal Barnard · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It really started with, I was approached by a foundation that funded diabetes research. We ended up executing a small study where we used a very different diet from what had been used. It was more modeled after the diet of countries that don't have much diabetes, like Japan before Westernization, for example, very successful. We found that people were losing weight easily without counting calories, without reducing carbs, without even exercising much as I love exercise. Then we did another study on people who wanted to lose weight. The participants were women, all at the age of menopause and after. They had all done Jenny Craig and Neutra System and Atkins and South Beach and everything. And they all had initial success followed by frustration, followed by blaming myself, that kind of thing. And what we said is, let's not do that. Let's...”
2024-02-05 · The Diary of a CEO · The Vegan Dr: The Truth About The Vegan Diet, "Eggs Are Making You Fat", "Stop Eating Cheese!" - Neal Barnard · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“A stroke and the arteries to the kidneys had the same process. He finished the exam or wrote up his findings. Systemic atherosclerosis. And as time went on, I then went to medical school and I started to learn about the connections. What does cholesterol do, whereas cholesterol found it's only an animal products? And I started to reflect on these things that were culturally normal for us. And we thought that heart attacks were culturally normal. Your old, you know, 60s old. You're going to have a heart attack. This is just the way it is. Alzheimer's, you're likely to get all these diseases. And I suddenly realized that if we can truly connect what we are eating with the things that happen to our body, it gives us the most frightening lesson ever, but the most empowering lesson because we can change that. My mission is to take that knowledge, hand it to people in a form that they can use, and encourage them to spread the word in turn, hopefully to the next generation.”
2024-02-05 · The Diary of a CEO · The Vegan Dr: The Truth About The Vegan Diet, "Eggs Are Making You Fat", "Stop Eating Cheese!" - Neal Barnard · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And as he sliced it open he said feel that. I had gloves on, so I felt inside the artery, and you would think a coronary artery would be a rubbery tube that would carry blood to your heart. It was like a pipe stem. It was like concrete. It was hard. And he said, that's calcified atherosclerotic lesions. And this is your bacon and eggs meal. And what he meant was cholesterol in the diet causes an irritation of that artery wall and it forms what's kind of like a blister in the artery and it calcifies over time. And what was most worrisome was not that this had attacked the heart. But we then looked at the carot. It's those are the arteries going to the brain. They had the same process, meaning if he hadn't died of a heart attack, he was headed.”
2024-02-05 · The Diary of a CEO · The Vegan Dr: The Truth About The Vegan Diet, "Eggs Are Making You Fat", "Stop Eating Cheese!" - Neal Barnard · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The year before I went to medical school, I was working in a hospital in Minneapolis. And I didn't have a very glamorous job. I was the Morgue attendant. And so my job was to take the body out of the cooler and put it on a table and assist the pathologist to do an autopsy to determine the cause of death. There was one day there was a man who died in the hospital of a massive heart attack, probably from eating hospital food, but that's another story. And the body was there and the pathologist took out his scalpel and you make a Y-shaped cut across the skin like this. You peel back the skin and then he took what looked like a garden clipper and went grunch, grunch, crunch through the ribs on this side and crunch, crunch, crunch through this side, pulled the ribs off the chest and put the ribs on the table. So he took his scalpel and he sliced through a coronary artery. And it was like a medical lecture. They're called coronary arteries because they cry.”
2024-02-05 · The Diary of a CEO · The Vegan Dr: The Truth About The Vegan Diet, "Eggs Are Making You Fat", "Stop Eating Cheese!" - Neal Barnard · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Diabetes went way, way up. Wastelines expanded. Life expectancy went from longest in the world. It's still better than many other places, but it has declined and declined and declined, despite having more knowledge than ever before. The westernization of the diet has been a killer worldwide. You see it in Japan, you see it now in China as economics are changing in China. There's more wealth. There is more cardiovascular disease. And you know who's on the wires outside of town looking down like buzzards? It's the pharmaceutical industry. Because if you eat more pork and your cholesterol goes up, I can sell you more statins. And that is the way, that's the world we live in. That can change.”
2024-02-05 · The Diary of a CEO · The Vegan Dr: The Truth About The Vegan Diet, "Eggs Are Making You Fat", "Stop Eating Cheese!" - Neal Barnard · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Economics has changed everything. If you look, say, at rural Japan 1950s, the country had a diet that was not entirely plant-based, but it was a rice-based diet, lots of vegetables, no ice cream. This was not the Velveta culture. And some meat, but not really very much. And then suddenly the golden arches arrived in Tokyo. The Golden Arches. Burger King KFC, the country westernized, breast cancer doubled.”
2024-02-05 · The Diary of a CEO · The Vegan Dr: The Truth About The Vegan Diet, "Eggs Are Making You Fat", "Stop Eating Cheese!" - Neal Barnard · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Right now, unfortunately, people are not well. They're not where they want to be. By age 30 or so, people feel like their life is starting to slip away. They're gaining weight. They don't want to have. Their cholesterol is going up. They're on medications that they know they're never going to get off of. And perhaps worst of all, they tend to hand this same fate to the next generation. And that's something that not only has to stop, but it can stop. The body can heal. We know how to do it. The job is to put it to work.”
2024-02-05 · The Diary of a CEO · The Vegan Dr: The Truth About The Vegan Diet, "Eggs Are Making You Fat", "Stop Eating Cheese!" - Neal Barnard · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“We did a study, and the average person saved 16%, plus the fact their need for medications come down. So, for example, we had a man who came into our study. He'd had diabetes. So we put him on the plant-based diet. After about a year, he'd lost 60 pounds. And he could go into any clinic in the world. They would not diagnose him as having diabetes. But how do we”
2024-02-05 · The Diary of a CEO · The Vegan Dr: The Truth About The Vegan Diet, "Eggs Are Making You Fat", "Stop Eating Cheese!" - Neal Barnard · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“People need to understand this. Getting away from animal products is always a good idea because once you ban animal foods, not only do you solve the weight issue. Without counting calories, without reducing carbs, without even exercising, but also their health problems get better.”
2024-02-05 · The Diary of a CEO · The Vegan Dr: The Truth About The Vegan Diet, "Eggs Are Making You Fat", "Stop Eating Cheese!" - Neal Barnard · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT