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  1. Here on Wednesday Today's show is brought to you by BOO. Wired magazine says HBO's Silicon Valley captures all the dick moves and dick jokes. I would agree with that and I enjoy them quite a bit. It happens to be eerily timely as startup founder Richard Hendricks pivots this season to launch a decentralized internet free of ads and data tracks. It turns out that the road to an autonomous peer-to-peer network, whatever that means, is paved with misguided car purchases, stealth acquisitions of Pizza App, and a lot of public puking, as well as an ICO. No one said launching a startup was easy. Watch new episodes of Silicon Valley Sundays at 10 p.m. on HBO.

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  2. you're hearing no nonsense interviews with some of the smartest people in media and entertainment. I also host too embarrassed to ask where we answer all of your questions about consumer tech. And on Recode Replay, you can find audio from all of Recode's live events, including the Code Conference. Thanks for listening to this episode of

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  3. To be here. Anyway, this is a great book, Just the Funny Parts. It's on sale, and she'll be signing copies in the lounge shortly. Thanks for coming tonight to this beautiful spot. You next week, but again, Nelson. Thank you all for coming.

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  4. Well, I'll go with men making room, that men acknowledging that we can't wait for the next generation. I have a pet peeve when the movement, women do this too, say we need to do this for our daughters. And what I always hear is we're putting it off for a generation. And so I think anyone who cares about equality, look around your room, what if we started every meeting by stating what the makeup of the meeting was? Do you really? That's amazing. Just make everyone aware how many people of color do we have? How many women are in the room? And then change it. Because I thought awareness would lead to action, but too often I see awareness leads to defensiveness. And let's all admit we're culturally biased and change it. All right, make room. Make room. All right, everybody. Oh, I wasn't being nice. because you're funny.

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  5. If I had to name one, I'd go with Barry Kemp, who created New Heart. He created Coach. I was coming out Letterman, which was an unpleasant experience. It had been my dream job. And then five months later, I quit. And I landed on coach. And Barry was He taught me that kindness and strength can go together. And I just had never really seen that. He was also the funniest person in the room. I tell the story about how when a joke didn't work, he would always put a question mark next to it, and then we'd go back into the writer's room and pitch out new jokes. And it took me a while to realize his question mark meant no. It's what other people would do with an ex. But he was so respectful of other writers that he didn't do that

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  6. Just going to wrap up with this last audience question. Okay, great. As the last questioner alluded, and the New York Times specified, there are women who you help find jobs for writers who you're now corralling and helping and mentoring. And I just wondered if you'd give a shout out to people you want to acknowledge, mentors and teachers of yours.

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  7. Well, I guess two things is something that just makes me laugh out loud. The only problem with that is then you're just looking at someone who has the same sense of humor as you, right? You know, Jill Twist, who's now on John Oliver, would tweet. I feel sorry for gluten-free pigeons. That really appealed to me. But then sometimes I look for jokes I wouldn't ever think of making, and that's because I think that's the broadness that you want to see. So it's not just like, oh, they're funny like me, but they're funny in a way that's different from me.

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  8. On Dr. Oz, Donald said that he gets exercised from moving his arms while he speaks. When I heard that, my eyebrows got a great workout. Whoever wins, I think it's fair to say that the quality of basketball in the White House will drop.

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  9. Could read some jokes that she didn't deliver at the Al Smith Dinner. Donald defines non-traditional marriage as between a man and a brunette.

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  10. She did a great job. Yeah. Yeah. I told an inappropriate joke to her once. Yeah, we came off stage at code, I guess I could tell it now. And we came off stage and she really was very, she was great. She was mad and said a lot of the Russia things that have now come to pass and nobody believed her at the time, but she gave this interview and it was really tough. And I came off stage and I said, oh, you're going to get a lot of trouble from Fox News. You were just on fire, Hillary. And she's very self-dead. People know she's very funny and stuff like that. I said, you're really in trouble now. And she goes, ugh, what do I care? They think I killed four people. And I said, well, Anthony Wiener's still alive proves the Clintons don't kill people.

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  11. And Hillary, I wrote jokes for the Al Smith dinner right before the election, she had her highest poll numbers the next day. It was a week before Comey's letter came out.

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  12. Well, Obama's got Johnny Carson's timing. He's so good at delivering a joke. I wish he would do a late night talk show That would be amazing. There was one moment where I wrote a joke which required Obama to wink at the end. And I realized that he's the leader of the free world and I had compelled him to do that. So for a millisecond, I was the most powerful person on the planet.

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  13. I wanted to ask about Timing and delivery because I mean, you're right for other mouths, but usually it's an actor or something. What's it like when you're writing for Obama or Hillary? I mean, do you get to tune him up and say you're delivering this wrong or do you just sort of... What's it like watching that?

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  14. And I said one of these people graduated from Yale Law School, one from Harvard Law School, one has her master's degree from University of Texas, and one poses nude for a living. Guess which one?

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  15. I took it down. I took that photo that was from the funeral which had the Obamas and the Clintons and the bushes and Melania. And I photoshopped in. One of Melania's nud The crazy part was the Photoshop part wasn't the first lady oiled up an nude

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  16. If you're a comedy writer and no one's ever said you've gone too far, then you haven't gone far enough. And if they're constantly saying you've gone too far, then you're an asshole. I wanted to write then you're Bill Maher But I didn't I think it's a hard line to learn.

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  17. Yeah, that's true. That's a fair one. I like, for some reason, Madam Secretary, but I don't know why it's because her clothes are really nice I want her to be secretary of state, too. Next. In the book, you say that if you're a comedy writer and you haven't insulted anybody, you haven't tried hard enough. When you get to that point where you've offended somebody, how do you realize it? And then what do you do next? Do you apologize?

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  18. I don't watch a lot of regular television. I love Outlander. Obsessed without render. But I wouldn't want to work on it because I like it too much. I'm actually good. I know some writers always guess the plots. I'm not like that. I'm not on the clock. They're not paying me. I'm not going to guess your story.

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  19. Well, there's a show, another period that was created by Ricky Lindholm and Natasha and Leggero, which I just adore. It just makes me laugh. Comedy Cent

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  20. Oh, well, one of them was people got upset because I said Stormy Daniels was smart and reminded me of my daughter. In my defense, I couldn't say she was smart and reminded me of my sons. My theory is, so people say he doesn't have a sense of humor. I disagree.

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  21. And so Stephen, I was sitting there and he read a couple of the jokes. So writers are always in the wings when the jokes get told. And to be able to have the experience of like sitting on stage and feeling the audience, okay, recite the jokes.

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  22. I am so sick of talking about myself. It's so hard. And I was on Colbert the other night. Yeah, talk about that. Well, that was, I was just through the looking glass. I've been on those sets a thousand times, but never with the cameras on. And he did something that was so nice of him. So I've written jokes for President Obama. And I wrote for the White House correspondence dinner for five years. And sometimes I get asked, like, would you write for Donald Trump? And I always say I would not. But then the question became, could I write for Donald Trump? So I sent in a bunch of jokes trying again inside his head, very roomy.

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  23. You know, I did, this is interesting because I recently was talking with an executive producer of one of those shows, and he said, well, and he said, I know we're trying to do better, but all the hosts are white men. And so what do you say that the rooms have to write for them? And I said, the writers aren't writing for the host. And he said, they're not. I said, no, they're writing for the audience. And someone's got to figure, you know, make that change. Desi Lidick is on the Daily Show, if you watch that. She's amazing. I think she's hilarious. I mean, they want specific names.

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  25. Def No, I mean, we have big problems. I saw the burning swastikas in Georgia yesterday. And that's the big problem. Yes, of course, absolutely.

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  26. Yes. And I look as a writer who prefers to communicate through words, it's been a wonderful thing for me. I'm on that site. I've been on the site probably every day since then. Social media works for me and I love it.

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  27. You know, so I was an early adopter of Facebook, like back when you needed a.edu address because I had a niece who was at Harvard, I think she was two years behind Mark. So one day my sister calls me and says, Emma just joined this thing called Facebook. She won't let me join. So I joined to Nark on my niece. Okay, good.

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  28. I gotta go back and look at that. I don't remember laughing heavily on that one. But anyway, but I'm sure it was funny. So you were talking about liking Star Trek and Twilight Zone, and so the prisoner's defiant number six declaration, I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed, or numbered. My life is my own.

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  29. Probably when he was on SNL, I wrote a version of the joke I invented poking. It became I invented poking. Mark tweaked it and made it very, you got a big laugh.

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  30. Allegedly In any case. One more thing I want to ask about. You have on the back of the book, it says who is Nell Scoeble, and you give your history, and then it said the millionth woman to have an awkward conversation with Larry David. And I would agree with you. That was quite awkward. Most of you in the pain situation. So one of the things you said, your love of science, fiction extended to TV shows. I do want to ask you about this because you have worked for, you work for Facebook for a while. Did you work for Facebook or just Cheryl?

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  31. Larry watches as the guide takes swigs from the beer bottle and becomes convinced that the guy is drinking his own urine. The great adventures are just the cover. The truth is the guy is purposely putting himself into life or death situations because it's the only socially acceptable way to drink your own tea. I didn't say to die at the end of the pitch, but it was implied. I looked at Larry expectantly. He shook his head and offered one long drawn out syllable. No. Yeah, I thought, you know what?

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  32. Oh, I said a little disappointed. It was just one. Yes, said Larry, happy to have been right. But you did like another idea of mine, I added quickly, trying to save face. Which one? The one about the pea drinker. Larry looked confused, so I repitched the idea. Larry's at a party with a guy who won't stop talking about all his thrilling adventures. The guy goes hiking in the Himalayas, helicopter snowboarding, sailing around Tierra del Fuego. And in every story, he runs into complications and recounts how, in order to survive, he was forced to drink his own pee. Later, Larry

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  33. Larry bought the concept and turned it into season six, the Ida Funkhauser Roadside Memorial. The show didn't give me on-screen credit, but they paid me $2,000. Larry also gave me his word that the show would pay writers better in the coming season. With this incentive, I pitched some additional story areas. Larry seemed interested in one concept, but it didn't move forward. A year or so later, we both attended a book party. Our mutual friend Kimberly Brooks introduced us. Larry, do you know Nell? Nell, of course I know Nell, Larry said. In fact, I was just talking about you today. Whoa, Larry David was talking about me that felt good. Really, how come? I asked. Well, one of the producers said you'd sold us two ideas for episodes, but I insisted it was just one. We argued about it, and now here you are. You can solve the mystery.

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  34. And I say Seinfeld was on the bubble. It's scraped by for two more seasons before breaking into the Nielsen top 30. A meeting never happened, but I held on to the Castle Rock letter because it offered encouragement early in my career. Now it hangs in my office as a reminder of how the greatest success story in the history of television came close to getting cancelled. I did eventually get a chance to work with Larry David. In 2007, curb your enthusiasm throughout a net soliciting ideas for the upcoming season. I typed up a few notions including one where Larry needs to bring flowers for a hostess gift and decides to steal them from a roadside memorial.

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  35. It wasn't good and it was really on the bubble. So the executive wrote my agent back. And said he enjoyed my new heart and Simpson script very much, and he would hope to Jerry Seinfeld and Larry David would consider her for next season. As you know, the bigger issue is whether we have a next season. So I have this hanging in my office because it's such a good reminder.

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  36. Oh, well, so one of the chapters of the books are about the ones that got away, about shows that I almost worked on or people I almost worked with. And I mean, if you like disappointment, Hollywood is a great career. Yeah, rejection of the time. So this is one where

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  37. Who is Nels Covell? Get me Nels Covell. Get me a younger, cheaper Nelscoll. And who is Nels Covell? So people, you cycle through.

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  38. Yeah, you, well, people drop out. Actually, it's probably a little longer now because there's so much TV that I think people are having longer careers. But they're also, so the book is structured according to this old Hollywood joke about the four stages of every writer's life, which are, I'll use my name

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  39. No, I say in the book that one of the things that compelled me to direct was I had worked with so many bad directors. And I knew I wouldn't be great, but I knew I could be better than mediocre.

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  40. Well, you know, I'm a stack full of scripts that I would love because it's more fun because directing is like writing in 3D. And you do, once you've written for long enough, you see it in your head

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  41. It's kind of crazy, but he says yes, why not? So I have all these amazing emails that Arthur sent me while I was directing in Vancouver. So, I really like that, and that unfortunately It was hard for me to get those jobs, and my agents were not supportive of me directing. I made more money writing for them. And it was hard to sell a woman as a director, especially, you know, I started 20 years ago. So I haven't made my $10,000.

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  42. I would love to direct again. I have a chapter about directing. My mentor was Arthur Penn. Who directed Bonnie and Clyde, and I directed two crappy cable movies, but I say in the book, it's like asking Michael Phelps to teach your five-year-old how to swim.

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  43. So I think that, well, just making room, boy, if you're a guy and you're 60 and you're on three corporate boards, how about dropping off of a couple and saying you want your spot filled by women?

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  44. I was in New York recently and it was raining, and I was obsessed. Men have these huge umbrellas It's like, yeah, like the man spreading on the subway but with umbrellas.

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  45. So explain that what does that mean? Like, just get out of the way. Microbe called get the fuck out of the way. I'm coming through. No, I have two sons, and literally. We're back. I'm a coming through. I literally was walking down the streets with my sons and they were taking up the entire frigging sidewalk. And I was like, we were in New Orleans. And I was like, move out of the way. They're like, what? I'm sorry. I didn't notice. Do you know what I mean?

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  46. Well, you know, Cheryl wrote that incredibly honest post about after Dave died and feeling like she didn't realize how hard it was for women who don't have partners and to have addressed that more. You know, it's so hard because on one hand, Who speaks to everyone? Nobody speaks to everyone.

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  47. What's amazing is we try to get ahead of that, and in the book and lean in. Deal point blank with people will criticize this book for being X and that so many of the criticisms came from people who hadn't read the book or hadn't read it closely. The good news is it started conversations, which even if Put Lean in on the defense. It was, you know, someone once said to me, What did we say before we said lean in? Right.

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  48. Would have been the other way to go. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, you have to embrace who you are. Like, if you enjoy being dislikable, it's fine. If you don't, it's, you know. Yeah, I'm not a pleaser. I'm not a pleaser. I don't know if you noticed that. So there's a lot of controversy about Lean In, the idea that a lot of feminist attacked it. How do you look, what would you change from them? And what do you think of some of the criticisms? And I could go through them at length. But you know them as your fault, is you're responsible for it. There's all kinds of criticisms. At the time, it was, even at the time it came out.

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  49. Which is how success and likability are positively correlated for men and negatively correlated for women. So I'm the showrunner of Sabrina and I'm trying very hard to be nice to everyone, polite to everyone, listen to everyone. And I'm still just getting. All the time. And again, I thought, and it's not that I never made any mistakes, but I watched Cheryl and I go, oh, I was up against this really stiff wind

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  50. Tell me why. It was a mission. I say it's the book I wish I'd read at 25 instead of helped write it 52. And I watch Cheryl's TED Talk in 2010 and I learned more in those 14 minutes. Then she just crystallized so many things. And she brought up issues, I always thought it was me personally. So one of the things she says in that TED talk is set at the table, which I always love because it's both literal and metaphorical. And I tell the story about when I'm the story editor at Newheart and all the writers are sitting at the table on the lowest level, no one waves me over. So even though I've written the episode, I go and sit with the assistants. Now, I always thought that was me being shy. And then Cheryl's talking about people, women not sitting at the table. And I go, no, there was some cultural pressure that was telling me to go do that.

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