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  1. This wondrous world of a future that is peaceful, that is wholesome and that proposes or advocates for that kind of synergy that we've been talking about throughout It's all fun.

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  2. Moves you, and it's something that transcends a career. Similarly, you can think about the difference between, you know, learning versus being educated. Being educated is something that's given to you, that's external, that's being imposed, that's top down imposed. This learning is something that comes from within. Also the difference between joy and happiness. Many times I'm sad and I'm still joyous. And it's very, very important to understand the difference between these externally perceived success paths and internally driven value-based ways of being in the world. Together, when we combine all of these, you know, all of these, the broken puzzle, let's say, of substance and vulnerability, we get this bigger gisha.

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  3. Arrangement of will versus comfort versus the reality. But for me, it has always worked. So I think To the younger generation, I say don't think of your career. A career is something that is imposed upon you. Think of your calling. That's something that's innately and directionally.

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  4. Members. And that's the intellectual discomfort that I feed off of. The same is true for physical exertion. You got to put yourself in these uncomfortable situations in order to grow, in order to find comfort. And then on the other hand, is love, is finding love and finding that human, this other human that compliments you and that makes you a better version of the one you are and even of the one you want to be. But with gratitude and attention and love, you can go so far to the younger generation. I don't speak of a career. I never thought Of my work as my career ever. And there was this constant entanglement between life and work and love and longing and being and mothering. It's all the same. And I appreciate that to some people that doesn't work in their.

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  5. And he looked at me and he said, Get out of here, kiddo. You gotta get out of here. And you've outgrown where you're at. You need to move forward. Another thing he had taught me, the feeling of discomfort, as you say, the feeling of loneliness and discomfort is imperative to growth. Growth is painful, period. Any form of growth is difficult and painful. Birth is difficult and painful. And it is really, really important to place yourself in situations of discomfort. I like to be in a room where everyone in the room is more intelligent than me. I like to be in that kind of state where the people that I surround myself with are orders of magnitude, more intelligent than I am. And I can say that that is true of all of my team.

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  6. I did take a few leaps and they were uncomfortable. My father and I'll never forget. I think we were like listening to a Rolling Stone song in the kitchen and my dad was actually born in Boston. He's American. He said I started to have sort of the second thoughts about continuing my education in Israel and I wanted to go, I was on my way to London to the Architectural Association to do my diploma studies there.

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  7. In that childhood with her. And she taught me the importance of wonder in an eternal childhood and living adulthood as a child. And so I'm very, very grateful for that. I think it is the sense of wonder, the speaking up was always something that she adhered to, to speak up your truth, to be straightforward, to be positive that these are things that I also got from my mom and for my mom, the sense of humor. She had the best sense of humor that I could think of and was just a joy to be around. And my father taught me everything. Taught me everything I know. My mom taught me everything I feel.

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  8. She had this blanket that she would give me every time I came back from school and say, you know, do your homework here and meet with your friends here. And it was always in her garden. And her garden, in my mind, was ginormous. But when I last I went there and saw the site, which has now become the site for another tall building. It was a tiny, tiny little garden that to me seemed so large when I was growing up because it had everything. It had fig trees. It had olive trees. It had mushrooms. It had the blanket. I would do my homework there. It was everything. And I needed nothing, nothing else. And that was my Garden of Eden. That was my childhood being, and she taught me, you know, we would lie on the blanket and look at the clouds. reflect upon the shapes of the clouds and study the shapes of the plants, and there was a lot of wonder.

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  9. Look, I think there's this beautiful line and sheltering sky. How many times have you seen a full moon in your life and actually took the time to ingest and explore and reflect upon the full moon probably 20, I believe he says, I spend time with a full moon. I take my time with a full moon, and I pay attention to a full moon. And I think paying attention to the seasons and taking time to appreciate the little things, the simple things is what makes a meaningful life. I was very lucky to have had, you know, to have grown up in a home that Taught me this way of being my parents, my grandmother who played a very important role in my growing up. And that ability to pay attention and to be present is so I could not emphasize it enough is so crucial.

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  10. The Strauss melody in 2001. And when you juxtapose this melodies with the scene, you get this, again, hold that's bigger than some of its parts where you get this moment that is, I think, like these are the moments I would send, you know, with the next Voyager to outer space. I definitely sent... Godfather in 2001 would definitely be beyond that golden record.

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  11. Weird level. Yeah. It's one of these tunes. I'm sure that has, you know, if you play it too, A jasmine, you'll get the best scent of all time. I think there's, but I think with that particular tune, I learned staccato, something very, very happy and joyous. And then made into this stretched in time and became... Kind of the refrain of Nostalgia and melancholy and loyalty and all of these values that ride on top of this one single tune.

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  12. Yes loyalty and the human spirit and how Copolas celebrates the human spirit through the most simple gestures in language and acting and I think in Kubrick you see this highly curated and controlled and manicured vision of creating a film. And with Francis it's like an Italian feast. It's like anything can happen at any moment in time.

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  13. It says so much with so little, and it leaves it's sort of the embodiment, I believe, of ambivalence. And there's opportunity to believe in the beginning of humankind, the end of humankind, the planet child, star or star child of the future. Was there a death? Was there a reincarnation? That final scene to me is something that I go back to and study. And every time there is a different reading of that scene that inspires me. So that scene is just, and then the first scene, the godfather, still one of the best scenes of all times, sort of a portrait of America, the ideals and values that are brought from Italy.

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  14. I have met him. Yes, yes, yes. I was very, very lucky. We were very lucky to work with him on his new film Agalopolis, which is coming out, I hope, in 2024. And think about the cities of the future in the context of new materials and the unity between nature and culture. Godfather's definitely up there. 2001 is up there. I would watch that film again and again and again. It's incredible The last scene in Odyssey. Just watch the last scene of 2001, then listen to Yudkovsky, and then sort of, and then go to the garden. And that's pretty much, you know, the end and the beginning. But that scene, that last scene from 2001 is everything.

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  15. That spatial experience and being in that space and feeling the intention and the space and appreciating every little gesture. So it's true. It is the universal language. It's the language of waves, right? It's the language of the waves, not the language of the particles. It is the universal language, I believe. And that is definitely one of my loves.

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  16. A good arch. It's true. And I will say when I visited the Sagrada Familia, I had that kind of spiritual reverence towards

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  17. I love music. I always wondered why is it that plastic art meaning architecture and sculpture and painting can't get us to cry and music gets us to cry so quickly and connect so quickly. There is something about music that it is a no wonder that plants also respond to music, but that is the top of the creative pyramid, in my opinion.

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  18. Right, and Marvin Minsky used to say intelligence is a suitcase word, right? It's a word so big. It's a word like sustainability, and it's a word like, you know, rock and roll and suitcase words are always very, very dangerous.

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  19. I've studied the calculations that point towards the verdict that the possibility of life in and around us is very, very low. We are a chosen planet in a way, right? There's water and there's love. What else do you need? And that sort of... Very peculiar juxtaposition of conditions, the oxygen, the water, the carbon, again, is in a way a miracle given The massive extinctions that we've been through as life forms. And that said, I cannot believe that there is no other life form. I want to believe more than I know that. That, yes, that our life forms in, you know, in the white fountain that is the black hole. Right, that there are these life forms that are, you know, Light years away from us that are forming other forms of life forces.

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  20. Exactly And unlike sort of again, I'm going back to directed evolution, unlike this sort of high throughput force approach, if there is a way to utilize this synergy for diversity and diversification. Like, yeah, what happens if you ask ChatGPT question, but it takes 10,000 years to answer that question. Like, what does that look like, right? When you completely switch the time scale and you can afford the time to answer the question. And again, I don't know, but that world to me is possibly amazing.

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  21. Weeping willow, maybe, maybe that's the end and the beginning and maybe on the more optimistic side for us humans, it's a different form of existence where everything we create and everything we consume and everything we process is all made up of six elements and that's it. And there's only those six elements and not 118 elements. And it's all the stuff of biology plus some fair amount of bits, bis genes and atoms.

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  22. Knows the AJI to be me is sort of the end of everything, right? It's the end of human agency. But what is the end of human agency to humans, I think, is the beginning of agency to nature. Because if you take all of this agency, if you take all of these language models that can summarize all of human civilization and consciousness and then upload that to nature and have nature now deal with that world of consciousness that it never had access to. So maybe through Eliezel's lens, this sort of short-lived human becomes sort of a very long-lived human-like sentient.

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  23. And that's so fascinating because these are not the stochastic parrots. This is sort of a new form of emergence perhaps of novelty, as you say, that exists by virtue of using all things to create new things. But it's not as if the AGI has self-awareness, right? It's not as if it has maybe, maybe, maybe, maybe it has, but as far as I can tell, it's not as if AGI has approached consciousness or sentience just yet. It's probably getting there, but the language appears to present itself as if there is sentience there, but it doesn't. But I think that's the problem at the point where this AGI sounds like me and speaks like me and behaves like me and feels like me and breathes like me.

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  24. And he was able to bring that moment to life, even though I think a mother can never think that way ever. It's a little bit like that notion of I love her more than On your question about AGI and nature. Look, I think we've been through a lot in terms of to get here, we sort of moved from data, right? The ability to collect information, to knowledge, the ability to use this information for utility, from knowledge to intelligence, and what is intelligence is the ability to problem solve and adapt and translate. So that sort of from data to information to knowledge, I think the next frontier is wisdom. And what is wisdom? Wisdom is the ability to have or find insight about the world. And from wisdom to spiritual awareness, which is sort of transcends wisdom and is able to chart the world into new territory. But I think what is interesting about AGI is that it is sort of almost like a self-recursive thing, right? Because it's like a washing machine of like a third derivative Wikipedia. It uses

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  25. It is a bit like jumping into super cold water. It's sort of a kind of a fist in your face. It wakes you up. And I like these moments so much.

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  26. First of all, I was both. I was. I totally scared, shamed, excited, and totally also inspired because he's just such an incredible thinker. And I can agree or disagree with what he says, but I just found his way of thinking about AGI and the perils of humanity as a result.

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  27. Wide definition in the context of hundreds of millions of years, life gains a completely new light. And that's where the particles become a wave, right? Where humans are not alone. And we are here because of those plants, right? So I think death is very much part of life. So in the context of, you know, the redwood tree, perhaps, you know, life is defined as 10 generations and through the lens of a bacteria perhaps life is defined as a millisecond and perhaps through the lens of an AGI, life is defined as all of human civilization. So I think it really is a question of This time scale again, the time scale and the organism, the lifeform that's asking the question through which we can answer what is life?

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  28. 60 times more phosphorus than without them. And then all this phosphorus basically choked the oceans and made them super cold and a without oxygen aoxic. And then we lost the plant kingdom. And then because of the death of these first plants, they actually enriched the soil and created nutrients for these new plants to come to the planet. And those planets had like more sophisticated vein systems and they were moving beyond spores to seeded plants, etc., and flowering plants. And so in a way, one mass extinction sort of led in the Ordovician period sort of led to life as we know it. And where would we be without plants in a way? So I think that death is Very much part of life, and through that definition, that kind of planetary

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  29. They found in Argentina and in various places around the world, they found these spores of the first plants that existed on the planet and they emerged out of this cyanobacteria where the first, of course, and then they found these spore-based plants. And because they didn't have seeds, they're only spores, the spores became sort of the fossils by which we've come to know of their existence. And because of these spores, we know that this first extinction existed. But this extinction is actually what enabled plants to redirect, right? So the death of these first plants, because they clinked to the rocks and they generated a ton of phosphorus that went into the ocean by clinking to the rocks.

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  30. I think like 440 million years ago there were all these plants that The cyanobacteria, I believe actually, that that was like the first extinction, right? There were six extinctions. We are apparently the sixth. We are in the eye of the storm. We are in the sixth extinction. We are going to be extinct as we speak. I mean, death is upon us, whether we want to admit it or not. And actually,

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  31. Technology biology, nature, culture. I mean, the secret to one thing is through the lens of another, and I always believe in that kind of translational design ability to be able to see something through the lens of another and always allows you to think again, begin again, reestablish, redefine, suspend your disbelief, revisit. And when you revisit enough times, like a hundred times or like 200 times and you revisit the same question through the lens of any possible discipline and any possible scenario, you get eventually you get to the truth.

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  32. It's, you know, people who have ideally had industry experience and know what it's like to be in the quote-unquote real world. They're dreamers that are addicted to reality Opposed to realists that are addicted to dreams, meaning they have that innocence in them, they have the hunger, they have the idealism without being entitled and with understanding the systems that govern our world and understanding how to utilize these systems as Torjan horses to bring those values into the world. There are individuals who feel comfortable in this friction between highly wanderous and dreamy and incredible fantasy renditions of what the world could be with extremely brilliant skills in terms of their disciplinary background. So PhD with industrial experience in a certain field or a double major in two

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  33. And yet with humility, now that is hard to find. And that is why, you know, when I start an interview, I talk about childhood memories and I asked about music and I ask about connection. And through these interviews, you can learn a lot about a person's future by spending time hearing them talk about their past.

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  34. A friend of mine, who's a dean of well-known architectural school, said, you know, today architects don't want to be architects. Architects don't look up to the star architects as role models. Star architects are no longer role models. Architects want to build by virtue of not building, right? Architects, she said, we're back in the 60s when we think about architecture back in the hippie movement. I think that in a way they have to be somewhat of a hippie, somewhat of a kind of a jack of all trades, master of all.

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  35. I manifest and they come. There are a few approaches to. They show up You know, send your message up on the water. I mean, those job descriptions that you saw, the first ones I wrote by myself and you find interesting people and brilliant people when you look, we talked about second derivative, when you look under and under and under. And if you look deep enough and specialized enough and if you allow yourself to look at the cracks, at the flaws, at the cracks between disciplines and between skills, you find really, really interesting diamonds in the rough. And so I like for those job descriptions to be those messages in a bottle that bring those really interesting people our way. I mean, they have to have humility. They have to have a shine in their eye. They have to be hungry and foolish. This job so famously said.

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  36. Synthetic biology with a novelty and robotics, with a novelty in material science, with a novelty in computational design, and you are bound to create something novel, period. And that's how I run the company and that's how I pick the people. And so that's another very, very important ingredient of the cutting edge across multiple disciplines that come together. And then in the background, in the periphery, there is all these messages, the whispers of the ancient Aldies, right, the Beethovens and the Picasso.

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  37. Yes, and then connect them with whatever it is that we're working on, whether it's, you know, high throughput, directed evolution of bacteria, whether it's recreating that garden of Eden and the capsule and what it looks like, the food of the future. It is a little bit like directing a film, creating a new project is a bit like creating a film. You have these heroes, you have these characters, and you put them together and there is a narrative and there's a story. Whenever we start a new project, it has to have these ingredients of simultaneous complexity. It has to be novel in terms of the synthetic biology, material science, robotics, engineering, all of these elements that are discipline-based or rooted must be novel. If you can combine novelty in

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  38. And that got us to work on melanin. And melanin also was sort of an output from the death mask. So it's lots of things happening at the same time and really allowing them to come together to form this view about the world through the lens of a spirit being or a living being or a material and then focus on the world through the lens of that material. The glasswork was another project like that where we were fascinated by glass because obviously it's superb material for architecture but we created this new glass printing technology for the first time that was shedding light on the biomechanics of fluid glass, the math and the physics of which was never done before which was so exciting to us but revealing new knowledge about the world through technology that's one theme.

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  39. I love to be able not only to lose focus, but kind of to focus on the peripheral view and to allow different things to occur at once. So I will often in my loneliness journeys, I will often listen to Leonard Bernstein, anything I can find online by Lenny Bernstein. It's reading a nature paper. It's war and peace. It's really revisiting all the texts that are so timeless for me with opportunities that are very, very timely. And I think for me, the creative process is really about bringing Timeless Problems or concepts together with timely technologies to observe them. I remember when we did the Mandela Pavilion, we read Moby Dick, The Whiteness of the Whale, the Albino, the different.

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  40. Very, it's very we are born into this world alone. Again, being alone and being lonelier are two different things, right? And you can be together but be lonely and you can be alone but not be lonely at all. We often joke Bill and I that he cannot be lonely. He cannot deal with being by himself. He always needs people around him. And I strive long, must have creative solitude, must find pockets of solitude and loneliness in order to find creativity and reconnect with myself. So loneliness is a recipe for community, in my opinion. And I think those things complement each other and their synergetic, absolutely, the yin and yang of togetherness. And they allow you, I think, to reset and to tune in. That ratio we talked about of who you are and who you want to be.

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  41. Oh yes, yes, loneliness is part Yes, I think we all have that loneliness, whether we're willing to access that loneliness and look at it in the eye or completely. You know, completely avoid it or deny it.

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  42. I think it's a real thing. I really truly believe that we're born with an aura, surface area, that is measurable. I think we're born into the world without... With an aura. And how do we channel that is really sort of ends, I mean ends up sort of defining. Defining the light in our lives.

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  43. Yes, yes, and that goes back to You know, to the fireplace, right, to the first technology. What was the first technology? It was fire. First technology to have built community, and it emerged out of a vulnerability, of wanting to stay away from the cold and be warm together. And of course, that fire is associated with not only with comfort and the ability to form, you know, Biorelevant nutrients in our food and And provide heat and comfort, but also spirits and a kind of a way to enter a spiritual moment, to enter a moment that can only be experienced as. A community as a form of meditative moment. There's a lot to be said about light. Light is, I think, an important part of. These moments of

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  44. Berate him and says, What have you done? Have you been a businessman before you came here to the camp? And he says, I was a doctor, and he said, you must have made a lot of money as a doctor. And he said, all my work I've done for free, I've been helping the poor. Um, but he keeps his humility and he keeps his modesty and he keeps his Preservation of the Spirit. And he says the things that actually make him able to or made him able to outlive the terrible experience in the Holocaust was really cherishing this moment when the sun hits his skin or when he can eat a grain of rice, a single grain of rice. So I think Cherishing is a very important part of Living a meaningful life, being able to cherish those simple things.

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  45. A surface area that physically Emotionally, right? It sort of introduces this whole new dimension to a human or a brick. And because you have more surface area, you can, you know And yeah, I think of it as accessing this additional dimension of surface area that could be used for good or bad to connect, to communicate, to collaborate. It makes me think of that quote from this incredible movie I've watched years ago. Particle fever, I think it was called a documentary about the large hydron collection. Where they talk about the things that are least important for our survival are the things that make us human. The pure romantic act or, you know, the notion of, and Victor Frankel talks about that too. He talks about feeling the sun on his arms as he is... Working the soil Degrees Fahrenheit without clothes. Officer

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  46. And I think, yes, I think a flaw, think about it, like physically. I'm thinking about a brick that's flawed, but in a way, I think of a flaw as an increased surface area.

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  47. Going to the silkworm as opposed to on the individual level, I think those occur through the flaws and the vulnerabilities and without them we cannot find connection, community, and without community we can't build what we have built as a civilization, you know, for the past hundreds of thousands of years. So I think not only are they beautiful, but they have a functional role in building civilizations.

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  48. And he will repeat this sentence to me. Incentive drives all human behavior. But I would say to me, it's love, very much so. And I think flaws are part of that because flaws are a sign of that vulnerability, whether physical, whether emotional vulnerability. And those vulnerabilities, these vulnerabilities, they either tear us apart or they bring us together. The vulnerability is what is the glue, I think. I think that the vulnerability enables connection. The connection is the glue. And that connection enables accessing a higher ground as a community, as opposed to as an individual. So if there is a society of the mind or if there are higher levels of awareness that can be accessed in community as opposed to, again,

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  49. That's a really profound question. I think The flaws are there to The flaws are there to present a vulnerability. Those flaws are A sign of those vulnerabilities. And I think love is very, very gentle, right? Love. With Bill, we often talk about between the two of us about what drives all human behavior. And for him it's incentive, as you might expect.

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  50. Necessary for something beautiful to be imperfect. And it is a sign that it is a sign of nature because nothing in nature is perfect

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