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Nick Cave

lines on the record: 56
first: 2023-12-20
most recent: 2023-12-20
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“In turning the value thing is sort of turning myself inside out and looking at the world and looking at people and doing some small thing to help. The sort of project of the sort of rehabilitation of the world. That's where meaning is, and I guess in that respect, that's where peace is.”
2023-12-20 · Intelligence Squared · Nick Cave on Faith, Hope and Carnage · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, I don't know what the answer about peace is, but I do know that... This idea This idea of the precarious nature, our precarious nature is to me what gives the world meaning And I think the opposite of peace is lack of meaning and peace for me is to understand that what I'm doing has some existential benefit to the world. That, to me, is the thing that makes things worthwhile and gives my life meaning. I would say that that I'm a very peaceful I don't have a very peaceful soul in the sense that I know people who do that just sort of sit around and seem contented with things and I often envy that. I'm not really like that, but I often question the value of things. And I know that I find that in”
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“like a TV series. They just announced it. So I'm kind of involved a little bit. I've read the first one, first episode, and they can write and they're doing a good job and it's good people and a great director. But I tend to let these things happen as they happen. There's a TV thing of Amdias or the Angel 2 being made. The impact of what? To get ready I have all sorts of responses in the red hand files from People who are extremely attached to that record. And I Sometimes look at these sort of matters where people say things about things with a pinch of salt, but I think that Gostein has a special power. Record that exists beyond just a kind of listening experience. I'm really pleased to hear. I think that my son is somehow inside that record in a way.”
2023-12-20 · Intelligence Squared · Nick Cave on Faith, Hope and Carnage · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Terrible. Look, I have the red hand files and it's turned into the weirdest thing and sometimes I'm writing one of them and I get like Almost like a dizzying kind of vertigo about what the hell am I doing? I'm answering this question about something that I don't know anything about that's been asked of me, so I'm kind of giving it a try. I have no sort of authority in these matters. Sometimes they're just straight out agony-tind of things. It's just this weird thing that's developed and it's become crucial to the way I lead my life. Get up and start looking at the questions, and there's so many now, and there's so beautiful these questions, mostly You know, it's just become a part of the way I lead my life, but it's not something that I ever envisage that I would do. And sometimes I don't want to do it.”
2023-12-20 · Intelligence Squared · Nick Cave on Faith, Hope and Carnage · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That was easy. Occasionally, you know, I mean, look, I was always jealous at the time. I'm not now, but I was, you know, I'm not just bringing this back to Shane McGowan, but I was always secretly jealous of Shane's capacity to write solid human lyrics that were truly empathetic lyrics. It was something that I didn't have the capacity to do at the time. I developed that capacity, but he had a kind of naturalness about that. So, you know, occasionally I'm jealous of other people's songwriting or wish I could have written that, but not often.”
2023-12-20 · Intelligence Squared · Nick Cave on Faith, Hope and Carnage · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think what Ghosteen was in the end was, and I think I wrote about this lovely question, and I think I kind of, we talked about this too in the book, but it became very clear when I was performing those songs that those songs were And this requires some abstract thinking, but they were an attempt to, at the time, to improve the condition of The being of my son. They were in some way an attempt to talk to him and to And to say things to him that I wasn't able to say when he was alive because you just don't. And then they're just not there. And so I think that that became a kind of ongoing conversation with him. It continues. Thank you”
2023-12-20 · Intelligence Squared · Nick Cave on Faith, Hope and Carnage · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, I'm not brutally honest, but I've worked out ways of you hear it and you're thinking, oh my God, this is fucking terrible And then you go, whoo, oh my God, whoa. You put everything into that. Things like that No, no, it's just like, wow, And you always know when you've done a terrible show or someone's thought your show is terrible when they come back stage and say, man, the light”
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“One of the worst things about having creative friends is listening to their stuff. You know where they go, oh, I've made a new record and you go, really? And yeah, come around and have a listen to it. It's terrifying, right? Or anything, really. I've just written a script”
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“No, this amazing man, art dealer, character saw them and fell in love with them and he wants to exhibit a series of them and put them on the market. So that'll be really interesting to see because it was never the intention. I made like 17 Staffordshire style ceramic figurines of the devil. The life of the devil from his death to his birth to his terrible death. For some reason, I did that through lockdown And it's, yeah, they're really coming along”
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“Yeah, we were on the phone all the time writing the book. That was my other wife, as my wife called you, and I think your wife called. Well, sometimes your wife would actually.”
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“I love to lock down. Controversially. I mean, I liked it because I got to spend a year with my wife. And Earl was with me as well, my son.”
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“Yeah, I just want the records to get better. No, it's not even that. I just actually want to make good records. And I don't want to make records that are sort of substandard. And it's quite easy to make a substandard record. And so the effort to do that becomes more. It just becomes harder. And you see it, or you see it with everybody, really You just sort of I don't know. It's hard to make a good record.”
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“I think it's for me it's religious because of what it's trying to do, which is to collect a group of people together and lift them up. Stripped them of the sort of the mundane For a moment and lift them up into something that's communal and Moving toward what could be called God or whatever you want to call that, but moving towards something outside oneself.”
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“Well, exactly. This is the problem with touring. It's very hard to have a, your life is eternally interrupted by your creativity, actually, certainly touring. Yeah, I find I'm always having to sort of go back to the place I was at before I went on tour. Going on tour is a sort of spiritual thing in itself, of course. It's a religious thing to some degree too, but I always feel like It sort of prevents any personal forward motion”
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“My plan is to sort of strip it back or strip it down because there's all these extracurricular things that are going on. But the thing is the more... The more well known you get, the more interesting the Things that come in are, you know, like the people want you to do or collaborate with or get involved with. It's hard, it's hard to.”
2023-12-20 · Intelligence Squared · Nick Cave on Faith, Hope and Carnage · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Oh, I see what you mean. Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's quite right. I mean, it's... It was doing that. It's playing very old songs and they felt very new to me. They felt like they were addressing exactly the things that were sort of preoccupying me. It was quite a beautiful thing. It's a very beautiful. Showed to perform.”
2023-12-20 · Intelligence Squared · Nick Cave on Faith, Hope and Carnage · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I mean, sorry, but what I've noticed happening, we can get off this subject soon. What I have noticed happening is there is a movement towards Christianity that disturbs me, which is a political motivated movement towards Christianity that I've noticed. Amongst people that feel like they can use Christianity as some sort of firewall or bulwark against the current. Cultural moment or Other fundamentalist religions or whatever, and I see Christianity being used in that way. And that's not my interest in Christianity. My interest in Christianity is, as you say, entirely personal and emotional. It's an emotional... It's an emotional”
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“Well, it is a communal thing to be part of a church service, obviously. And there's great benefits in that. And I think people get a lot out of that. But I'm much the same as you. It's a private matter for me as well.”
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“Yeah, it's a human story that I relate to very strongly and different parts of that story through different periods of my life.”
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“Because I always have, as a child really, responded weirdly to the story of Christ. I'm not quite sure why. And it's that narrative story that exists within the Christian religion that sort of draws me to it in the way that I'm not drawn to other religions. I'm not really drawn to the abstract nature of God, let's say. I feel uncomfortable to sit It needs that human element, and I think that that's what. That interests me about the Christian story.”
2023-12-20 · Intelligence Squared · Nick Cave on Faith, Hope and Carnage · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, that's because I recoil with horror when someone says they're a Christian. You know, someone comes up to me and goes, hey, I'm a Christian. I go. You know, it worries me. I react with skeptic in me is the sort of my default setting and it always has been. And I have part of my interest in church and interest in the sort of mystical nature of these sorts of things is that our journey taken away from that skeptical person, that default setting that I have of suspicion and skepticism about these sorts of things. Because I feel that when I do move away When I shed Something happens to me that is really Is a transcendent thing. It happens. And for me, personally, I find that in a church. I get that in a church. I get that within a Christian ceremony, for example”
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“Temperament has something to do with a kind of melancholy, soulful feeling towards the world or a fundamental understanding of loss in that the things that we lose, it's very easy to lose things and very hard to get them back. And so that's what I was really talking about in regard to a conservative nature, the fundamental desire to conserve in some way the collected wisdom of the world. And I don't think that makes me a Tory.”
2023-12-20 · Intelligence Squared · Nick Cave on Faith, Hope and Carnage · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, the word conservative for me has something to do, we have to sort of look at it in a different way. And I was trying to just describe what I felt the conservative temperament might be. And to me, it has something to do with the soul. I know in your mind you couldn't imagine such a thing, but it has something to do with the depth of understanding about our society and a kind of stewardship over the traditions of our society in some kind of way and that they have some intrinsic value. That's all, that they're not set in stone, but they are worth protecting. And expanding. So because the conservative”
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“But I use the word conservative some time ago to talk about a kind of a way of approaching the world, and that was immediately seen as being a Tory. And that didn't even occur to me. So I object to that, and I just want to set the record straight. I'm UKIP. Is UKIP? He's UK.”
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“I mean, I guess these things must. I don't go on social media, but these ideas must be coming from social media because they're so stupid.”
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“And this is something that is often misunderstood too. I find out how I'm misunderstood through the red hand files because people send in questions and they say, well, now that you're a Christian or something like that, or even worse, now that you're a Tory, I keep getting. And I'm like, what the fuck? Where did that come from?”
2023-12-20 · Intelligence Squared · Nick Cave on Faith, Hope and Carnage · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Because it is deep and it's religious, but it doesn't mean what that feels like it means. And that's a sort of a certainty about these matters. I know a lot of deeply religious people and they're... Fundamentally different, they've seen fundamentally different than I am in regard to religion. I feel very conflicted in regard to religion, but I do feel that I move or inch towards some kind of spiritual truth. I'm not there yet, but it feels fundamental to the way I am and the journey that I'm on. You know, it's like. You know, it's not without its deep skepticism and doubt and And I mean”
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“I don't want closure. I don't even... I don't even look for acceptance. I just think it's a living part of what I am. These losses and all the losses are a living part of the fabric of what I am. It's not something that I can... Have closure with and put over there and then continue my life as it was. It's not as it was, nor should it be.”
2023-12-20 · Intelligence Squared · Nick Cave on Faith, Hope and Carnage · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I objected to the word closure and I think she made a comment that word had long been sort of debunked as a idea of closure is ridiculous.”
2023-12-20 · Intelligence Squared · Nick Cave on Faith, Hope and Carnage · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I don't mean that in a depressing way. I think that understanding about things is what gives our life substance and meaning. It's that fundamental understanding that we die. I don't agree with the concept of the denial of death. It's an acceptance, I think, of death that we have a fundamental understanding of that, whether we can talk about it or not. It's there in our blood and bones. And these things that we do, art or religion, or these sorts of things are a kind of celebration. They're not a denial, but rather a celebration of the meaning of what it is to live in such a precarious situation.”
2023-12-20 · Intelligence Squared · Nick Cave on Faith, Hope and Carnage · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, I think. Yeah, that's personally how I see the way we are as human beings. I think we're... I don't think the condition of life is greed or Or power or tyranny or these sorts of things. I don't think that's what or oppression. I don't think these are the things that define what we are as human beings and sort of reject those notions and I think that there is a commonness about us all that is to do with loss. And I think that's born into us. It's our condition of life that we're bright things born into loss. And I don't mean that in a depressing way. I mean loss very much not just in historical loss or our collective loss as a society or our ultimate personal loss and the loss of the people around us. I mean,”
2023-12-20 · Intelligence Squared · Nick Cave on Faith, Hope and Carnage · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, I mean, you hear about these things and they hit you, but they don't hit you. Talking to Victoria, it really hit me that Shana died because he was sort of reflected through her feelings.”
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“And that was suddenly shockingly difficult. And I realized that I'd never actually... All the language, I'd actually never really talked about those things”
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“I could recognize that situation she's in of thousands of people coming around and everyone Everyone making demands on her because people are so upset and it really ultimately is the small silent acts of kindness that you barely see happen that are the things that draw you out of yourself. You know, I'm talking about someone making you a cup of tea. And all the language that I've grown quite good at talking about is a thing for another time. It's a thing for... Something where you've gotten beyond. You can reflect the way I talk about it is sort of reflection, I think. You pushed me in the book to talk about what actually happened. And you wanted me to talk about what happened on the day that Arthur died. Well, you were concerned that I was talking forever from the other side of the chasm, let's say.”
2023-12-20 · Intelligence Squared · Nick Cave on Faith, Hope and Carnage · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, I just found It's a funny thing to write about loss. Even though you're being open, it's also a kind of obscuring mechanism to the way that you actually feel. If you can sort of write about it and talk about it and articulate it, it keeps the actual feelings weirdly at bay I noticed and that there's deep sort of Chasms of grief that talking doesn't really help. And so, on some level, Keep talking is just to hold. The feelings and this new world at bay in some way. So, but I don't know what I don't really know what I mean by that, except that sometimes it's not the talking that is the thing that eventually... Leads you out of the darkness. The humanness of people and small acts of kindness and practical matters. Maybe this is not the right. You know, Victoria rang me today, Shane's wife.”
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“And so forth. So, I think the tide has turned in that respect. But I think when we were writing it, it was still that feeling of you needed to be careful about what you talked about.”
2023-12-20 · Intelligence Squared · Nick Cave on Faith, Hope and Carnage · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“This has changed a little bit, I think, from when we were talking about that in the book. But I feel that certainly at the time of talking about that, I thought. The idea of conversation was being looked at with suspicion, that the idea of an open conversation was starting to be looked at as something that was A kind of dangerous thing to do. And I just felt very strongly that that wasn't the case and that We need more speech rather than less speech. And I was very concerned with that at the time. I'm not so sure. I'm so concerned with that now. I think things are changing and people are kind of... Growing a little tired of That, but the internet's flooded with podcasts, with people having open good faith”
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“Pushing the thoughts on. And I love that about the book, that it starts in one place and ends somewhere else much more interesting, much more deeper, much more meaningful through the process of conversation. I think I've said this before, but the thing about this book for me is that it is a testament to the value of... The necessary value of conversation.”
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“I mean, I too look, I do open it up sometimes and have a look, and I'm surprised by it, and I like it. I think it stands up. I'm interested to see what I was thinking about back then has now changed to some degree, or things move on. But the thing I love about the book, and I'll be eternally grateful to you for is engaging me in a conversation that allowed me to sort of consolidate all the sort of random thoughts that were Just floating around in my head about all. We sat down and had a conversation about things that I'd never talked about, essentially. I mean, I'd written things in the red hand files and stuff, but never really had any... Pushback or anyone”
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“Yeah, it's a little disconcerting. Feed off the audience and feed off the expressions on people's faces. Communal nature of the thing. It feels like a sort of circular thing, and I'm not really watching the audiences I'm playing, so it's different.”
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“They're wilder, but the intent is similar. The sort of idea of transcendence and the attempting... The audience together in some way, whether it was In love or sort of contempt or whatever, it was the same idea in some kind of way. It was some sort of attempt to sort of shed The present day preoccupations and move to something, to step into something else. And we did that in different sorts of ways.”
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“I mean, maybe this is clear to everybody, but it just wasn't clear to me. Such, but the religious nature of the songs was just It's funny because this priest or vicar came along to one of the shows that I'd met in London. And he'd never heard the band before, but he wanted to come along in Minneapolis. And I kept singing the songs, and just about every second song had Jesus in it. And I kept thinking, fuck, this guy must think I'm sort of some religious nut. They were from the beginning, in a way, religious songs. There was that. And the idea of loss has always been there. So there was just a lot of things that I feel that I've freshly engaged in that I've actually been involved in from the start.”
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“He followed me. Rather than sort of, I followed. The band, he followed me, so I was able to sort of go wherever I wanted with the songs and he just had this uncanny ability to land the notes at the right place and stuff like that. So it's a great pleasure.”
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“It really made me understand the project that I've been involved in in the last 45 years, however long it is. It's not what I thought it was, which was a kind of forward moving thing that keeps shedding its skin and moving on and shedding its skin. It's actually a kind of, it's just this collection of songs that are all in dialogue with each other over the years. And the whole thing is a sort of broad church That is a thing unto itself. I always sort of saw the creative process as A kind of deliberate sort of murdering of what I've Playing these songs at these concerts, I realized that actually these songs are the same and they've been on about the same things from the beginning and the preoccupations are essentially the same. I learn a lot from doing it. And Colin Greenwood was such a beautiful person to work with because he...”
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“There's something about singing songs with a band, singing songs with a bad seeds. There's so much that's going on on stage that you have to kind of remember and consider and deal with. The relationship with the audience and what all the different people in the band are doing and kind of the intensity and the volume of everything that the song itself or the sort of essence of the song gets kind of lost in the maelstrom of it all. And it was something else to just sort of sit there just with the words and sing them and kind of Remember what the songs were actually about. A lot of the songs were played in the way that I would Kind of present them to the band. I'd come along and I'd have a song and I'd play it on the piano and the bad seeds would then go ahead and do something with it. So it was really quite...”
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“Yeah, you said something like. That kind of kept going through my mind as I did future concerts. It was so lovely to hear him play, or you could really hear it when he wasn't playing or something like that. Was an entirely encouraging, but it was an incredible experience too. I've just got sort of triumph exhaustion or something at the moment. Everything's been so good.”
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“Well, she might be, but she says this wonderful woman and she was... The people in the Best Western were quite interesting and she said so you're in a band. I hear you called the bad seeds and why are you called the bad seeds? I said, well, because we're evil. And she goes, you're not evil. I work at the best Western. I've seen... Have a nice night. Anyway, we stayed there, and it was just an amazing experience.”
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“This is amazing. So we were really suspicious about this process to begin with because we didn't really know what this guy could do, but he was amazing and he turned songs that Difficult Balancing acts into things that were really beautiful. So he's done an amazing job.”
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“Yeah, he had this weird way which was extraordinary for me and Warren who are so complete control freaks about everything. He would say in the morning you mix it in like a shack in the woods and in his studio in Buffalo. He said, well, do you want this song? I'm going to mix this song today. What do you want it to sound like? And you're like, oh, you know, you don't play the song. You just sort of describe it to him like that. And he goes, okay, thank you. And he goes into the studio and he locks the door and doesn't allow us near the record. And then at 3 o'clock he comes out and says, I have something to show to you. And would you care to comment? And we go in and listen to it. It was just like, fucking hell, this is...”
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“That's right. Usually, the way it's tended to be over the last few records is that me and Warren tend to mix the records. But this is a very complex record, and we sort of finally come to a sort of latter-day realization that we don't know what we're doing in the studio and that we need somebody else to do it. So we took it to Dave Fridman, who's just, he used to be in Mercury Rev and he did all the flaming lips records, which are really beautifully put together, those records. And he mixed it and did an amazing job.”
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