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Nicklas Brendborg

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“Feeling very happy that I had. If people get some new habits, maybe it has turned back their aging a little bit spending this hour, but maybe gaining some extra time if it makes them healthier.”
2022-08-26 · Intelligence Squared · The Science of Anti-Ageing, with Nicklas Brendborg · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So definitely is possible. No doubt about it. Then when it's going to happen is another question. You can say that as long as medical science keeps progressing, it's going to happen at some point. Like we're going to prolong and get a long life at some point. The big question is, is it going to be our generations? You know, the people alive today, are we going to benefit from this or is it going to be some future people? And we're just laying the foundation and then we never get to actually see the result of this work. No one really knows. So we could be lucky. We could be the last model generation, the last generation that just like just almost made it there, but don't make it. We could also be the first generation that really gets to live a long lives.”
2022-08-26 · Intelligence Squared · The Science of Anti-Ageing, with Nicklas Brendborg · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Definitely possible. We can see in the animal kingdom, maybe we don't know if immortality is possible for such a complex animal as us, but we know other complex animals that can live like 400 years, 500 years and so on.”
2022-08-26 · Intelligence Squared · The Science of Anti-Ageing, with Nicklas Brendborg · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Know somehow forced him to have bad eyesight, that wouldn't prolong his life. The reason we see this correlation is maybe because well-educated people have a higher risk of needing glasses, maybe because they stay endorsed a lot during childhood reading or whatever. If you just do these studies and don't correct for this stuff, you'll just find all these funny things that is correlated with a long life but will not help you live longer in any way if you adopt it and it's like not something you do already. And yeah, red wine could be one of these as well where it's like the favorite alcohol of the wealthier class of people in most countries and that might be why it looks like it's beneficial.”
2022-08-26 · Intelligence Squared · The Science of Anti-Ageing, with Nicklas Brendborg · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yes, so basically, if you just look at people, we know that rich and well-educated people just live longer. Some of it is probably access to healthcare, but even in a country like Denmark here where we have universal healthcare and everything, there's still this difference. So some of it is probably also that well-educated people listen to health advice more than less educated people. But that will then give you this effect where everything that rich and well-educated people like or do will be correlated to living a long life, even if it has nothing to do with causing the long life, you'll just see it as a result because it's something well educated people do. So for instance, I use wearing glasses as an example, maybe also a little stereotypical, but if you looked at it, you probably find that wearing glasses or kneading glasses is correlated with living a long life. But of course, if we took some random guy on the street and then you”
2022-08-26 · Intelligence Squared · The Science of Anti-Ageing, with Nicklas Brendborg · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Is not at all as much as people say when you hear about oh, you should eat fish, it's a little bit, fish oil is cheap, you know, fish is tasty, you might as well do it, but it's not a huge thing in any way. The red wine story is unfortunately false. It's been something we talked about for a long time, but unfortunately it turns out that if you do look at these studies on whether a little bit of alcohol is beneficial for you, if you look at the ones where the alcohol industry is involved somehow in sponsoring the research or whatever, it looks like a little bit of alcohol is beneficial. If you look at all the other studies, it looks like there's no benefit to any alcohol and it's just, you know, the more you drink, the more harmful it is.”
2022-08-26 · Intelligence Squared · The Science of Anti-Ageing, with Nicklas Brendborg · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“There's a lot of stuff that is backed by science. The ones you talk about there is probably not. So, yeah. Excuse me, fish oil might have a slight benefit for cardilavascular disease, so lowers your risk of getting a blood clot attack and so on.”
2022-08-26 · Intelligence Squared · The Science of Anti-Ageing, with Nicklas Brendborg · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, there has been a talk about blood in the book as well. There's been these studies that showed that basically young blood can be rejuvenating and old blood can be aging, exhilarating. So then these American entrepreneurs had the idea of paying people my age to go down a blood and then they would take that blood and sell it to older millionaires, billionaires, so on. That was closed down by the FDA. It's not science-backed at all yet. It's just, you know, there's been a few studies in mice and so on, a little bit in humans, but not a lot. And that's, so there are those, of course, this is a field filled with like ethical dilemmas and questions that we have to figure out. But I would say I'm not so actually, I'm not very nervous that it's going to be like rich people are just going to find the secrets to immortality and just keep it away from the rest of.”
2022-08-26 · Intelligence Squared · The Science of Anti-Ageing, with Nicklas Brendborg · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Then happens is that then the fish actually lives longer than it used to. But then if they take this fish that doesn't have a microbiome anymore and then you take the microbiome from a young fish and put it in instead, then it lives even longer. So that kind of shows that when we grow old, the microbiome cannot turn us. It becomes, it changes. So you have all these different species that live in harmony with each other. But with age, some of the bad species tend to take over. So just getting rid of that can prolong dive but if you then introduce some of the good species again like from the young fish then you can live even longer so that that shows that it's both harmful and beneficial it depends on what species we're talking about”
2022-08-26 · Intelligence Squared · The Science of Anti-Ageing, with Nicklas Brendborg · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“There's different studies. For instance, there's been studies in what's called a killifish, which is this tiny little fish that actually has a microbiome in its gut that's pretty similar to the one that is in humans. So some German scientists have taken these little fish and then in middle age they just removed the microbiome.”
2022-08-26 · Intelligence Squared · The Science of Anti-Ageing, with Nicklas Brendborg · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Affected in any way. Some of them might even benefit it. It could be birds that spreads its seed or whatever. But then, of course, you could also have organisms that directly hurt the tree that maybe eventually even kills the tree. And it's the same with us. So lots of microbes that just live in and on us without causing too much trouble. Some microbes that help us out even that will make us, for instance, helps runners become more endurance and so on. And then we have the disease causing ones, especially if they grow out of control. They can cause disease.”
2022-08-26 · Intelligence Squared · The Science of Anti-Ageing, with Nicklas Brendborg · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So you can say that the whole micro thing is this kind of an old thing, but the new thing is what's called the microbiome. So back in the day, we used to think that the human body was basically sterile unless if we got some kind of bacteria or virus inside us, we would have a disease and then once the disease was over, that meant that we were back to being sterile again. So now with modern methods, we know that's completely false. We actually have more foreign cells than we have human cells. So that could be bacteria, could be different kinds of fungi. We have lots of viruses in cells as well at all times and so on. In the book, I think I use a tree in the rainforest to describe this. So you have this tree and maybe it would prefer to be left alone, but instead it's home to all these different species. And a lot of these species just uses the tree as a home.”
2022-08-26 · Intelligence Squared · The Science of Anti-Ageing, with Nicklas Brendborg · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Definitely. We have a lot of examples on that throughout history. So that's, I mean, it's a problem for everyone that we, I guess in general also as a society, we have this problem that biology, medicine and so on is really, really complicated and it's something that a lot of us have an interest in. Of course, it's our own body. We have an interest in it. So we want to be involved and take decisions and so on. But it is when it is as complicated. It's also hard to make an informed decision if you're not educated in the field maybe, but so that's like on one hand, but on the other hand, you know, it's your body. So you should also have the right to do with it as you want basically.”
2022-08-26 · Intelligence Squared · The Science of Anti-Ageing, with Nicklas Brendborg · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Myself, let's go to Colombia and just have these and then maybe get canes or something without knowing. So, of course, that's an ethical problem. But yeah, it's a difficult question for sure.”
2022-08-26 · Intelligence Squared · The Science of Anti-Ageing, with Nicklas Brendborg · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Experiments, even on yourself in the US, where you're from, you can do it in most of Europe either. So she went to Colombia and had it done in a lab down there that specializes and that stuff. And of course, it's a kind of risky thing to do. There is a risk of cancer, even also just from having the procedure done. But then again, you can say she's experimenting on only herself. The rest of us might learn something valuable from this experiment. And if she's willing to do this, then she should, you can say she should, you know, control her own body in that way. We shouldn't, like, this shouldn't be the rest of us deciding what she should do wants to do with her body. But that is, of course, a problem that you could risk copycats because at least Liz Paris has looked into this a lot and she knows the risk you could have copycats that are just like, oh, I can reduce.”
2022-08-26 · Intelligence Squared · The Science of Anti-Ageing, with Nicklas Brendborg · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yes, so basically what she wanted to do is she wanted to do the exact thing actually we just talked about. So prolong her telomeres in her cells. She did a test. You could see she had quite short telomeres in her cells. So she was like, if I want to rejuvenate myself, I should prolong these telomeres. And we have this enzyme actually that can prolong the telomeres, but the cells keep it on the tight lock because of the exact reason we talked about if cells turn cancerous it will try to get this enzyme because then it can prolong. It's telmius and it can divide forever. So basically she wanted to take an extra copy of this enzyme and put into all her cells so that you can think of an enzyme like as a little machine that can do something. So she would take like a spare machine, put it into a cell, and then make the little machine prolong her telomeres. And then she was hoping that would then rejuvenate her. So you can do those kind of self-experience.”
2022-08-26 · Intelligence Squared · The Science of Anti-Ageing, with Nicklas Brendborg · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Actually, 80% of human cancers actually have this ability, or even more has the ability to prolong the telomeres, but using this enzyme called telomerase, 80% of them get access to it somehow and then prolongs the telmus.”
2022-08-26 · Intelligence Squared · The Science of Anti-Ageing, with Nicklas Brendborg · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And then they get shorter throughout our lives, so people thought this is a perfect biological clock. And what would then happen if maybe we could find a way of prolonging these telomeres? Because we actually have certain cells in the body that can prolong them, can make them longer. So people have been researching this quite heavily. It turns out to be very hard. And then it also turns out that even if we succeed, it might not be such a good idea as we thought 10 years ago because it turns out there's a reason why we don't just have unlimited amounts or length of telomeres in our cells and that is that it can promote cancer. So basically it's pretty smart for your cells to have kind of like a mechanism that stops them dividing after a certain amount of time because what is a cancer is basically cells that grow out of control. So if a cancer cell wants to really succeed, it has to find a way to override these telmeous shortenings.”
2022-08-26 · Intelligence Squared · The Science of Anti-Ageing, with Nicklas Brendborg · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yes, so that's actually something that's been used as another biological clock before the epigenetic clock. It's basically this little, I call it the egglet, like I use an egglet, the little piece of plastic that sits at the end of a shoelace as an example in the book. So it basically does the same thing. It protects the ends of the chromosomes from getting damaged. But what's really interesting about these telomeres is that every time a cell divides, they get a little shorter. Already there you might see how they could function as like a clock every time as time passes and cells divide they get shorter and shorter and shorter and actually when they get very short the cell enters what's called senescence so it basically stops dividing it stops most of its functions sometimes it will then die sometimes it can become what i call a zombie cell in the book but basically it's an old cell at that point so that would then mean that you know we start out with a long telomeres on us”
2022-08-26 · Intelligence Squared · The Science of Anti-Ageing, with Nicklas Brendborg · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, I certainly hope the stuff I'm gonna researching is not this area, but I really, really hope that it's going to improve enough that this is stuff we can do. Actually, I'm pretty certain that it's going to be like it's going to be something that's going to be totally routine, that we will have different biological estimates of like biological age. And then maybe you can take them together to see if we have three or four of these different things. They all move in the same direction. Then maybe that's enough for us to conclude that we have a drug that slows down the aging process.”
2022-08-26 · Intelligence Squared · The Science of Anti-Ageing, with Nicklas Brendborg · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Something else try again instead of waiting like 10 15 years and then get a no and then you only have to like you only get to think about what then to do.”
2022-08-26 · Intelligence Squared · The Science of Anti-Ageing, with Nicklas Brendborg · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yes, definitely possible. And we already, as I said, we have what's called the epigenetic age that does something like this. It's very good to use if you use a population, if you use a lot of people, you can pretty much estimate for a group, the biological age. It's not maybe a reliable enough to individually. I take it now and then I take it in two years and then I see how much I eat. But we will get there. And there's also developments for other types of biological clocks because I think a lot of science has know that I know a lot of scientists know that this is a huge problem and solve it and you will really be doing good because it will speed up so much. Imagine if we want to test a new medicine for aging and we can just give it to people and then two years later we can test did it like slow down their biological aging and then if it's a no, we already can like make a pivot.”
2022-08-26 · Intelligence Squared · The Science of Anti-Ageing, with Nicklas Brendborg · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It's a pain for everyone that wants to make a new drug and they want to target aging or they even want to target an age-related disease. You're like, okay, let's round up some like 60 Os or 70 Os and we will give them the drug. But before we even know if it works, there's been like 10 years passing. You know, then eventually the researchers involved will have like two, three or four shots in their whole career to actually do some of this stuff and then they have to go after that. That's a big, big problem that is really hard to test whether it worked in a short amount of time.”
2022-08-26 · Intelligence Squared · The Science of Anti-Ageing, with Nicklas Brendborg · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Been some suggestions about how to measure this biological. Where you can basically take a block sample, for instance, and then measure the biological age, so how this person, what risk of death do they have, and how long do we project them to live and what are the risk of various diseases. You can actually see that in a single measurement.”
2022-08-26 · Intelligence Squared · The Science of Anti-Ageing, with Nicklas Brendborg · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That's a very good question because it is hard to measure and it is also hard to even, you know, you need to align that you're actually talking about the same thing for some purposes aging is just defined mathematically as the fact that your risk of death increases with age so the longer you've been around, the higher your risk of death is in a given year. Then if you want to study the body and then say basically we have this person we maybe we know they're 70 years old everyone knows that 270 years are not necessarily biologically alike one of them might still run like marathons or something and one of them have a problem walking to the corner store or something so you could also say that there's such a thing as biological age where you say well it's not your your age there's not the amount of candles on your birthday cake it's how fit or how well functioning your body actually is and this”
2022-08-26 · Intelligence Squared · The Science of Anti-Ageing, with Nicklas Brendborg · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“We call Homitic has this limit. For instance, there's been some studies where they show actually rodents and probably also humans can benefit from a little bit of radioactive radiation. But of course we know if you get a lot of radioactive radiation you're either going to get cancer eventually or you're going to die pretty much within a while getting irradiated or within a few days. And actually it also turns out that if you remove what's called background radiation then might as well actually live shorter lives. Nothing is bad. Some stress is good too much stress is also bad.”
2022-08-26 · Intelligence Squared · The Science of Anti-Ageing, with Nicklas Brendborg · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So there's two things. First of all, homeisis generally follows a pattern where no stress is bad because it makes you weak and little stress is good because that is a signal to the body to grow stronger. And then you can overwhelm the body if you have a lot of stress. So for instance, in exercise, we know such a thing as overtraining. So you'll be very unhealthy sitting on your couch all the time. You'll be healthy out jogging once or twice, three times a week. But then you can also overtrain where you then will actually damage your body because the thing that's beneficial is not the actual stress you do to your body. That's damaging. What's beneficial is the response your body has to being damaged. So if you overwhelm this response, if you overwhelm your ability to repair yourself, you're basically breaking down your body. So we can see this for loads of different things. Basically everything that's what”
2022-08-26 · Intelligence Squared · The Science of Anti-Ageing, with Nicklas Brendborg · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The ears of the audience There's actually been studies where they even tracked individual hairs, and then sometimes on the hair, you can even see this where you can see it grows gray. And then further down, it has a color again. Then maybe it goes gray again. So it is reversible, but of course it moves in one direction. So eventually you're going to turn gray most people at least.”
2022-08-26 · Intelligence Squared · The Science of Anti-Ageing, with Nicklas Brendborg · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Eight years later, they're completely grey. But it actually reversible the new study shows. So you can have health that turn gray. And then once the stress disappears, some of them will actually revert back to the original color.”
2022-08-26 · Intelligence Squared · The Science of Anti-Ageing, with Nicklas Brendborg · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That's actually true that we have pretty good studies now that your hair will gray during stressful events. We've also talked about it a lot of times for a long time with US presidents when they get in office, they look all young and lots of calling the hall and then”
2022-08-26 · Intelligence Squared · The Science of Anti-Ageing, with Nicklas Brendborg · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Organisms. So the answer to the question could be that no, a human that isn't challenged won't live longer actually quite the opposite. They will live shorter lives. So exercise is the best example. When we exercise, a lot of people think like the healthy bit is while I'm out running, but if you think about what's happening here, you damage your bones or damage your muscles, your lungs are challenged to keep the air flowing, you have high blood pressure, you have a high pulse and all this stuff that's actually damaging to you. But then after you're done running, that's kind of a signal to the body that's like, you need to grow stronger. You need to repair and then that's what the body does. So in that way, stress can then be beneficial to the body. And we have a lot of examples along those lines.”
2022-08-26 · Intelligence Squared · The Science of Anti-Ageing, with Nicklas Brendborg · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, that would be how to do it if you say you had a car and you really just want this car to last as long as possible, then the best thing you could do is find somewhere to park it inside in a nice temperature, you know, put a sheet on top of it and then just never use it. Never challenge the car and then it will last way longer than the car you drive on a daily basis. So a lot of people think that would be the same with the body, right? If you just like, I don't know, I went to a hotel over here in Copenhagen somewhere, just like lived there, never had a problem in my life, never moved or anything that I would then also live longer. But the difference between us and then our physical or like our objects like a car or a phone is that biology is very dynamic. So, you know, if you actually think about, for instance, the human body, that's a lot of stuff we do that stresses us that actually is beneficial. And that's actually true for most biological.”
2022-08-26 · Intelligence Squared · The Science of Anti-Ageing, with Nicklas Brendborg · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Perfect repair of the body because if it's gonna die, like statistically gonna die in the next year, anyways, the best evolutionary tactic is basically just get as many youngs as quickly as possible and then disregard the future because most likely you're not going to make it. And then if the mouse is lucky enough to make it to the future, well, then it's going to pay the price for not having had enough upkeep of the body in its youth and it's basically we're going to see that as aging. And that's basically the theory why, for instance, humans age and so on. So the reason then why we live a longer life than the mouse is that even in natural conditions But there is, as I said, not always agreement because experiments don't always align with these theories.”
2022-08-26 · Intelligence Squared · The Science of Anti-Ageing, with Nicklas Brendborg · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So, the evolution of aging is actually, I wouldn't say it's controversial because there is some agreement, but there is also a growing camp of people who disagree with prevailing theory. But basically, the prevailing theory is that, well, even if animals could live forever, most animals wouldn't live forever. So if we had this mouse that we just immortalized and it could basically live forever, we put it in a field, it won't take long before some predator gets it, before it gets an infection, before something happens, it gets in an accident even, so it will die eventually anyways from like, even if it didn't have the aging process, it would die from something else. So then for the mouse, it might make more sense to put more resources into its early life, like get big fast, or at least get to an adult size fast, reproduce quickly, reproduce often instead of using its energy for like”
2022-08-26 · Intelligence Squared · The Science of Anti-Ageing, with Nicklas Brendborg · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Exactly. So lobsters don't live forever, but they basically don't age. So old age for lobster, as I say in the book, is not at all for human. It's not a period where you're weaker or anything. It's actually your best period. Your strongest, your most fertile, like the king of the seabed, basically. And then, of course, you run into these physical problems at the end.”
2022-08-26 · Intelligence Squared · The Science of Anti-Ageing, with Nicklas Brendborg · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And then always when I tell this, some people will be like, Well, does that mean we have immortal lobsters? Will lobsters, the ones that we catch and eat? Have they lived forever and so on? No, because actually what can happen at the end of a lobster's life is that it can get so big that it starts having physical problems due to its size. So it has nothing to do with aging or anything like that, but can just become so big that some of its physical functions simply fail, then it can kind of die in that process.”
2022-08-26 · Intelligence Squared · The Science of Anti-Ageing, with Nicklas Brendborg · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yes, actually, there's tons of animals that breaks the rule. It's just that we humans, of course, we have a very typical, not a very typical, we have a long life for a mammal, but we have a pretty typical aging trajectory. We can also see that in our dogs just faster, in our cats and other animals that we have a lot of contact with. But if you go to nature, you have all these weird examples like the lobster, as you say, where basically, you know, you can define aging in a bunch of different ways, but one that is very often used is that as we grow older, our risk of dying increases and our fertility decreases. So that's basically just showing that the body gets weaker. But if you take a lobster, every year lobster is alive. It gets bigger and it gets stronger and it gets more fertile than it was in the previous year. So the risk of death actually decreases with time for the lobster. And that's basically what you can call not aging at all. So this lobster just kind of stays physically.”
2022-08-26 · Intelligence Squared · The Science of Anti-Ageing, with Nicklas Brendborg · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, a lot of that we don't actually know for sure why this is, but you're completely right that if we look at, say, especially, I would say someone who's 50, like 100 years ago, just looks really, really old, whereas someone who's 50 today can still look kind of young and be active and so on. And we don't know exactly why we've seen this change. Of course, there's been all these improvements. The best guess would be vaccines, antibiotics, different kinds of antimicrobials. So basically we can see that just the very fact of being infected with something, especially if you get a chronic infection, will actually make your age more quickly. So we have really in the last 100 years decreased our infectious burden just the amount of gross box that live in and on us. So that might go a long way to explain this. And of course, we also have better diets somewhat. I mean, we weigh a lot more now. So in some ways, we're not better.”
2022-08-26 · Intelligence Squared · The Science of Anti-Ageing, with Nicklas Brendborg · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“35 today. So we want to like break that process aging that makes us frail and weak and basically makes us suffer at the end of our life.”
2022-08-26 · Intelligence Squared · The Science of Anti-Ageing, with Nicklas Brendborg · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, they are separate parts of the way. So there is a thing called health span where of course if I come here and tell you I'm going to help you live to 100, maybe you would be interested in, well, am I going to be most of that time in a healthy body or is most of the time you prolong my life? Is that just going to be me, you know, not able to walk having pain everywhere, feeling weak and frail and so on? So of course it's very, very important that if we target aging, we want to make sure that the people are healthy longer, not just live longer. So we don't want to take someone who for instance is 90 today and then force them to stay around or stick around for 30 more years in like a frail old buddy. We want it to be so that for instance in 30 years if you're 70 it feels like being 55 today if you're 50 maybe it feels like being”
2022-08-26 · Intelligence Squared · The Science of Anti-Ageing, with Nicklas Brendborg · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Well, I think we're the only, we are the only animal that's kind of aware that we're going to die someday. So like a uniquely human condition to worry that you're going to age and die eventually. But we can also see that in your intro, you say that we are obsessed with this stuff. And I totally agree. But I don't agree that it's a new thing. We've always been obsessed with this stuff. So if we go all the way back in history to actually some of the first written stuff we have, it's historical, the epic of Gilgamesh, and that's basically a story of a king that leaves his people in the search of immortality. So all the way back to the first written word, we already have people talking about this stuff. And of course, history is full of all kinds of Alexis and holy waters that are supposed to make you young and also the early part of science is full of what we could probably call quarks today that promised it.”
2022-08-26 · Intelligence Squared · The Science of Anti-Ageing, with Nicklas Brendborg · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, thanks for having me. And if we're going to start with the jellyfish, of course, every jellyfish is not your average jellyfish that you see out in the sea that has these abilities. This jellyfish that I'm talking about in the title of my book is a little tiny jellyfish called Turotopsis. What's so special about it is that it can go from its adult stage back to something called the polyp stage. So that would be akin to taking a butterfly and turning it back into a caterpillar again or you and I reverting back to being a kindergarten again. Then the cool thing is that this polyp stage you can grow up anew to become an adult jellyfish again. Then if the scientists do the right trick they can make the jellyfish revert back again and then you can just get this cycle of deaging and aging and deaging and aging and at least so far no one has found a limit so it might exist.”
2022-08-26 · Intelligence Squared · The Science of Anti-Ageing, with Nicklas Brendborg · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think we should be talking about how to make democracy work better than it does. The reason that I'm raising that question is that I can't think of a good answer, but I wish perhaps if intelligence squared arranged a debate, maybe there would be one. I would actually refuse the booking because I would say I'm a pessimist and I have no idea how to solve the problem. But perhaps there is an idea. And there are optimists around, so they should be heard.”
2022-08-26 · Intelligence Squared · The Science of Anti-Ageing, with Nicklas Brendborg · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT