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Nicky Morgan

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first: 2020-01-23
most recent: 2020-01-23
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“So that hopefully the next one. I think we've called out the abuse, and I'm hoping very much, and I think this Parliament will be calmer, and actually people won't have that in the same way.”
2020-01-23 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Nicky Morgan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, I hope he wouldn't take that conclusion because I think it's a fantastic career and you follow, I've just followed a particular track and everything else, but I am a much, I think I'm a much broader, better person for having been in politics undoubtedly from dealing with, and the thing that never gets any coverage is actually the constituency work, because that is humbling when people come to you with real need and you're able to make a difference in your local area. And I think women are great, make great members of parliament because you are able to juggle lots of things. I would go from literally reading an email about somebody's front door needing replacing they couldn't get satisfaction from the council for that, two, reading a submission that's about to go to cabinet and something else. You don't get the, I don't think there are many other jobs, you get the variety, but equally I think there are things that it's incumbent on every generation of women to call out the problems.”
2020-01-23 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Nicky Morgan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It was talked about exactly. And you just think to yourself afterwards. And fun enough, I remember going on Newsnight about a month later and saying, look, actually someone's policy, you just say things you just shouldn't say. And you learn, I guess in life my attitude is you learn valuable lessons from all of these things. But the hit back from Downing Street was to point to inexpensive handbag, which I had been photographed with, and then that handbag. I was going to have I got news for you. The handbag made an appearance instead of me. I would say I have done it twice since then, both times I've been with great fun. No, not with the handbag. No, no, no, no. I've offered the handbag actually fun after the VNA. They're doing an exhibition on handbags. So I bought it, but I haven't had a response yet.”
2020-01-23 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Nicky Morgan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I'd criticised Theresa Maids. She was in a photo shoot wearing some very expensive leather trousers. I was asked a question which I answered too honestly and it went on from there. You come and said they wouldn't wear.”
2020-01-23 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Nicky Morgan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You were replaced for having. I mean, I have to say, the thing about just we talked earlier on about the opportunities offered by Westminster, I think the thing that I perhaps have learned, and obviously it depends on how high profile you become in politics and everything else, is, you know, there are times when you will make big mistakes and you do it absolutely in the public glare. What have you done?”
2020-01-23 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Nicky Morgan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Living in Loughborough, it's fine. I mean, you know, it's two hours either way, London or York. You know Manchester sees me better. But we'll see. But no, I think what you have to do is not keep saying in the other place we did it this way because I think people are very conscious the Lord set their own rhythm and the tone and they've got their way of doing things.”
2020-01-23 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Nicky Morgan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, as somebody said, the last time we had two parliaments, that wasn't such a happy precedent. So, you know, it's not going to happen, is it? We'll have to see.”
2020-01-23 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Nicky Morgan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Which is lovely. I'm not as young as I was, obviously. But yes, you're right. Under the age of 50, and that people go, well, it's great, you're bringing the average age down. So thank you very much. But it is different. I mean, there aren't many places where you would be turning the corner and you're bumping into David Putnam or Lord Winston or Sebastian Coe or Tanny Gray Thompson. I mean, it is extraordinary, and I'm looking forward, hopefully, to have a bit more time of actually spending time there just listening to some of the expertise. I think people are very conscious, obviously we're not elected. It's not the first chamber. We are a second revising chamber. People are looking forward, I think, to normal business being.”
2020-01-23 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Nicky Morgan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Which is a fantastic select committee, and obviously was right at the heart of lots of debates about the economy and about Brexit and financial services, but also, but I was trying to look at household finances and consumer credit and everything else. And there you are much more in control of your agenda. I think one of the frustrations perhaps with non-ministerial life is that you're always asking other people to do things. You're not actually doing it yourself. Now, sometimes in ministerial life, you know how strongly have a view you want to do something, but downing street will have a different view or the treasury will or another department will and you don't quite get there but you are able to make more decisions than you are definitely as a backbench MP.”
2020-01-23 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Nicky Morgan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think I've been incredibly lucky, and I hope I've proven the case that actually a career in Westminster, a career in Parliament, can contain many different elements. And that is what's so fascinating, I think, about it. You can go in lots of different directions. I think what I've found is, I mean, I think you have to think about what you're in politics for. And some people really want to be ministers, and ultimately you can make decisions, but you're obviously part of a bigger collective. The Select Committee, I suppose, I was morbid. Again, you obviously had other members of the committee, very opinionated members of Parliament, of course. To remind.”
2020-01-23 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Nicky Morgan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I was on the today program quite a lot, obviously, during the campaign. My personal view is I think it's good to engage with all programmes on all channels.”
2020-01-23 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Nicky Morgan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“They absolutely cannot. And I think my conversations, I think senior management understand that. But you're absolutely right, it would be a big mistake for the BBC not to think this is an issue of, if people were to think this is only an issue of Westminster concern and not public concern, I think they would be making a mistake.”
2020-01-23 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Nicky Morgan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Westminster not picking up on the signals from the public. And I think that's where Boris Johnson government is determined not to go wrong, which is actually to listen to what people are saying. And it may well be eventually this is the start of a process. A charter review takes quite a long time and we may get to a wholly different place from where we think we're going to when we start out. But I do think people outside politics expect the politicians to ask those questions now. I want to go, oh, it's all fine, it's all fine.”
2020-01-23 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Nicky Morgan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Not sure people say a national broadcaster, but I think the question is people would, and it does come up on the doorsteps more and more, why do I pay my licence fee? I don't watch it, I don't agree with it. However, having said that, I think public service broadcasting, which is not just about the BBC, it's about our other main channels as well, is a very important debate. And I think we do need a national broadcaster with a very strong international footprint, but also brand, that people will turn to. in extreme circumstances, you know, when there is an awful incident or equally when there's a happy royal occasion, we all turn to the BBC or ITV to watch the coverage. And I think we're going to get a variety of views. We won't always agree with the coverage, but it's very important. But I think it's that thing about paying for the license fee. It is just coming up more and more. And I think we would be remiss as politicians. Look, the story of that art fee is in politics has been about...”
2020-01-23 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Nicky Morgan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think there's look, I think there's a suspicion that the BBC is not a friend of the Conservative Party or Conservative government, that we get a less generous coverage, a harder time and all the rest of it. I mean, I think the honest truth is that probably everybody feels that way involved in public life. So that probably means that somewhere in the middle is that if there is a sweet spot, that might be it. But that's right. And I have to say one of the hardest bits of my portfolio and the one I try to comment on least, although I think with the BBC debate, I'm not necessarily meeting this, is the media, because I don't think politicians should be talking about the media. I mean, it's a, well, you've been involved long enough. It's an uneasy relationship, isn't it? We need each other, but equally there's always going to be grumbles about each other.”
2020-01-23 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Nicky Morgan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think there is timing is everything, isn't it? And there's probably an element. Although I have to say, with all these appointments, yes, the government's involved. But actually people are going to run organisations. Again, I hope we're going to be confident enough as a government to put in good people who are going to run organisations. So even if you think you've got the chair that you like, it doesn't mean that they're going to choose the DG or lead the board to choose the DG that the government like, nor should they, really.”
2020-01-23 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Nicky Morgan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, we're not the government does not have a direct role in the DG, the Director General appointment, but we do in the chairman of the board. And so David Clementi is obviously there for a while longer and will oversee the replacement of Tony Hall, which will be fascinating to see. I remember when I was reappointed, there was a big thing about here is Nikki Morgan's entre. I mean, you know, whoever comes as a DG's got quite an intray too.”
2020-01-23 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Nicky Morgan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You're right, the BBC is a fantastic institution. It's come up to the 100th anniversary in 2022. And I look around, the reputation around the world, often you'll get foreign politicians or others saying yes to an interview with the BBC because they've heard of the brand, they know it's a very serious news organisation, but also the depth of other content program, natural history and drama and everything else. But I also think sometimes the role of government, you say we're in charge of the future of the BBC.”
2020-01-23 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Nicky Morgan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I was over Cameron's cabinet. David actually was the same, to be fair, you could have a conversation with him, and he would adjust his position, or he would say, no, I've listened to what you say, Nikki, but actually I still think this is the right thing to do. Fair enough. Ultimately, he's the boss. And I would say the same with Boris. But they both engage in a way, I think, from listening, I think, did not happen perhaps under the government.”
2020-01-23 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Nicky Morgan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I've seen somebody who is intellectually confident enough to surround himself with people who are very capable, both in terms of downstream devisors, and I think also to delegate to ministers. He chairs cabinet. I hadn't worked with him before. I hadn't been really in meetings with him. So the way he chairs cabinet, he brings people in, he listens, and actually you can have a conversation with him as an equal. So there are times, rightly, when in any other organisation, you know, if a person, a member of the board, had a query with the chairman or the chief executive, they'd go and talk to them. And actually there were times in the autumn when I'd be saying things or others and he would just pick up the phone or he'd say, come and have a chat about it. And, you know, we don't always see that in politics.”
2020-01-23 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Nicky Morgan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, I can't. I mean, there's an awful lot of people who would describe themselves as being on the one nation side of the party, which I would very much put myself on, who are still in, say you've got Damien Green and Bob Neal and people like Tom Tougenhart and Robert Buckland. There's others I don't want to probably, by naming them, I probably curtail their career. Yeah, exactly. But there's lots of people. And I think that the Prime Minister, I think the thing that people are going to discover over the next few years is that the Prime Minister is an intensely pragmatic politician. Actually, what he wants to do is affect change and do it in a way that actually things really happen and change for the better”
2020-01-23 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Nicky Morgan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Absolutely was my big fear. And, you know, even in September as a member of the cabinet, I made it very clear publicly that I thought actually we needed to be clear about how the government was pursuing a deal because I knew those efforts were going on, but we needed to be clear about that. And we were. And a credit to Boris Johnson for getting that deal. But you don't know at the time, you just have to think, what's the right thing to do given the circumstances? And surely perpetuating the ongoing battle between levers and remainers was just not healthy. Ultimately, I think it was Philip Collins who wrote a great article for the Times and he said actually the damage done to people's trust in politics and the power of their vote is more if we don't get this sorted than actually people's worry about the economy and everything else.”
2020-01-23 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Nicky Morgan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think there is a well, I think it's not true. I think we have this extraordinary thing in sort of commentary about politics, which is we kind of expect people to, well, sometimes the expectation that people are going to adopt a position and are absolutely going to stick to it. And I personally think that actually life evolves. And the thing I've learned about politics is there is no black and white. There are shades of grey. And there are times when you have to take a decision in terms of accepting the cabinet position where you think, I hope I'm doing the right thing. I don't know. I'm pretty certain that actually in Boris Johnson there is a Prime Minister who will be able to provide a way forward, who does want to negotiate a new deal with the EU and that actually is going to appeal to the country.”
2020-01-23 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Nicky Morgan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But I did feel very strongly actually that the Prime Minister had a view, and I think he was right, that he wanted different voices around the table in July. We have to bring people back together. I say the country, I just felt very, very strongly that Parliament had let the country down because it wasn't about Lee Rowley, one of the MPs gave a fantastic speech last year, and he said it's not about you, i.e. MPs. You know, the country had made a decision. It wasn't about what we thought. It was about trying to show leadership and bring the country together.”
2020-01-23 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Nicky Morgan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, no, I mean, but you're right, and people go, oh, well, you know, you traded your principles for the car and the box and everything else. I can tell you, you know, it's very nice having a car, but I'm quite happy not having one. And I have to say the box, the attraction of the box every night, you know, pals after, you know, a couple of nights.”
2020-01-23 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Nicky Morgan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“There are friendships I've lost. There are people I just don't speak to now, and it's a great I don't know people feel very strongly about these things. And I hope that in time we will be able to put this behind us. It is a most extraordinary three and a half years that we have lived through. I think how that is captured in the future, lots of radio programs and everything else. Yeah, absolutely. I think actually telling a story from the inside is going to be quite important. Everyone's got a different perspective on it.”
2020-01-23 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Nicky Morgan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And that sort of really guide because I think really the reason that I eventually changed, I mean, I think both personally, constantly being in conflict with your party, which you've been a part of for 30 years, which my husband is a local authority leader. I've got friends, you know, my local party. I didn't want to be, I just didn't want. I remember starting 2019 and thinking, actually, I just don't want to keep fighting with people I meant to be on the same side with. And then there were opportunities for potential compromises and looking at the Irish border and all of that. And I also just felt that the country, and I think we saw this play out in the autumn of 19, was the country. And that was before we'd had all the meaningful votes that weren't so meaningful and everything else.”
2020-01-23 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Nicky Morgan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Because it has been a journey, hasn't it? It has been a journey. That's a well-worn phrase. And yeah, look, I felt very, obviously I campaigned to remain. I was very clear. I remember doing interviews. I don't know if you were there, but there was, you know, the day of the referendum was a terrible day. It was very bad weather-wise and, you know, heavy rain. The next day on College Green outside Parliament was a beautiful sunny day. It was really hot. And I remember doing interviews then and saying, look, my side have lost, you know, we will have to leave. The question now is going to be how we do it and on what terms. And I was quite critical of the way things were proposed. I think there was a moment in the autumn of 2016 when actually a different route more bringing people together, finding a Norway type solution could have been on the cards, but that wasn't taken and different policy positions were”
2020-01-23 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Nicky Morgan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, people are very sweet and say, actually, Nikki, we need you to be a public life. Actually, no, people haven't. It has been women. It's been women who with children, often older children, who have said to me, actually, I made the decision to stand back and you're doing complete the right thing, or I wish I'd made that decision. I mean, everyone has to decide for themselves. And when I go and speak, I mean, I speak like a lot of us do to girl schools and to young female audiences. And I think about having it all. The point is you can have most of it. You can't necessarily have all of it all of the time. And I think the ability to make those decisions. And what's going to be very interesting is, you know, going back out into potentially a job market, I've talked a lot in government about flexibility for working women and about opportunities. And I'm fascinated now to see actually whether it really exists. And I think it's important that all of us are pushing these boundaries in different ways.”
2020-01-23 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Nicky Morgan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, there is an element of that. No, I think they are, actually. And, well, we'll see. My husband may well tweet after hearing this interview. He may well to disagree publicly. But no, I think so. And I think it is about, I think we always need to, it's really interesting having the conversations with a lot of people since my decision. A lot of people have said to me, you'll never regret putting family first because I am walking away from a great cabinet job, you know, a great position to be in, a government with a sizable majority now that's going to be able to do what it wants for at least the next five years and make a very positive difference. And I'm conscious of all of that. But you just sometimes know your hearts, it's time to make that decision.”
2020-01-23 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Nicky Morgan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, I think he's less convinced by the fact when I say I'm going around more, which means less time on the Xbox and more time eating vegetables. And he's very unimpressed by that. But I think, but also being a candidate, I think any of us, anyone who does a big job, and politics is one of these things, it seems to become a whole sort of family endeavour, even if your other half doesn't want to be involved in politics, is not. But the fact is, when you're in the newspapers, you're being critiqued, and then people will say things to your other half. And I'm sure that you probably get it as perhaps as a well-known broadcaster or other people in life will get it. And I think family members just think, well, actually, I'm not the person the frontline. I don't particularly want to have all of this around. And the other thing as an MP is, I mean, it is a seven-day-a-week job, and that's great. There are lots of fantastic things you do, but equally you don't just sort of get to say on Saturday and Sunday, that's it. I'm not doing...”
2020-01-23 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Nicky Morgan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, completely. And I spent almost 10 years being away from home three nights of the week. I talked about having been an education secretary but never making a parent seeming for my own son. He might be very grateful for that. I was going to say,”
2020-01-23 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Nicky Morgan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I don't think you can decide who's right as it were, what you can do is you can protect the ability for people to have their say. But I think what we're seeing now is that Lawrence Fox and others who put forward views that some people find unpalatable, it is completely different to say, you know, actually I'd like to come and beat you up or whatever it is for your views. That's not the way that you demonstrate how to disagree well. And I think we've sort of lost that art in some ways. It's interesting in my 10 years in Parliament how it's gone from disagreeing in a robust way to tipping over very quickly into some sort of really bottled up anger which can often people think has an outlet in violence.”
2020-01-23 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Nicky Morgan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, we're really clear that the internet must remain free and open. We absolutely must protect and not impinge on freedom of expression and freedom of speech. And say I'm very used to robust political debate. I've done my fair share of standing around on outside train stations and in Loughborough market handing out leaflets and had some conversations. I think it is when it tips over into violence or threats. It's when people are trying to be silenced as opposed to being deeply critical of your views. But the important point is it's not for the government to decide and we are putting forward a mechanism whether it be a regulator, there be a duty of care road and of course that duty of care becomes more intentional I say where you're talking about vulnerable users of platforms or particularly younger users of platforms. I think there has to be an expectation. Those of us in public life in whatever that means have to expect we're going to get a bit more criticism.”
2020-01-23 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Nicky Morgan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, what it said of violence. Absolutely. But people have had more intensity. And, of course, as we know, some people have had it from, you know, I think some of the Labour MPs obviously have had things from often within people who seem to be on the same side politically as them. But, you know, as Culture Secretary, that's why I feel very strongly about the regulation that we're proposing on online harms. We need to get it right. I think you have to be very careful as somebody in that minister or space that you're not wanting to make a change just because of the experiences you've been through. But I think there are unfortunately many things that happen online that are harmful and that we do need to”
2020-01-23 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Nicky Morgan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yes, there are in four prosecutions that have happened just because of threats to me, and obviously sometimes people threaten other MPs as well. And I know other people have had far, far worse.”
2020-01-23 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Nicky Morgan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, I suppose the point is I can do and say something. I've more of a platform to do something about it. And look, I think lots of people in public life have obviously suffered from robust criticism. And before 2016, it tended to be about sort of policy. So you would expect people with a different political viewpoint to be fairly robust in their criticism what I as a conservative was saying. But then it did tip over into those sort of threats of violence and in one case more than one case actually, threats of death or wanting me to be killed or whatever.”
2020-01-23 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Nicky Morgan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“That's right. And after all that, and there was lots of protests outside, and if you remember some of my fellow cabinet ministers who walked were sort of surrounded by hostile crowds. And I was in the car, but I got to some pancrostation to go back up to Leicestershire. The guard on the train said to me, look, there's quite a lot of people on the train who have been part of the protests. We think you should sit at the front near us. And I just thought, actually, is this really, and I'd been thinking about that anyway, but is this really where I want to be in terms of the way I'm living my life? And so for me, that crystallized it. But you say it was a surprise, to be honest with you, it was a surprise in a way to myself that I actually made the decision because I had been thinking about it. But that moment when I was about to tweet, I'm off. I sat there with my finger on the mouse and thought, I can't believe I'm about to do this. You know, it's about to send shockwaves or surprise to lots of people.”
2020-01-23 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Nicky Morgan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Because I made the decision to leave the House of Commons and to leave ministerial life in December. I achieved one of those goals. I haven't quite achieved the other one, but I do intend, when the reshuffle comes, that although I love being digital culture, media and sports secretary, it is time for various reasons to take a step back from ministerial life.”
2020-01-23 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Nicky Morgan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Thing that people are going to discover over the next few years is that the Prime Minister is an intensely pragmatic politician. Actually, what he wants to do is affect change and do it in a way that actually things really happen and change for the better.”
2020-01-23 · Political Thinking with Nick Robinson · The Nicky Morgan One · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source