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  1. “And I'm not faulting the nurses for maybe not wanting to do that, right? They're busy. They got a ton going on. They can't spend, you know. So if he was in need, I'd put my ear down and I'd find out and I go get it for him. So when they moved me down the hall Asked me to come down with my IV tower. He needed me. Knew it was bad because he just his look was gone. I said, Sir, what do you need? And he whispered, call my sister, I'm going. Only one survivor in his whole life. And she was in North Carolina and he wanted her to know she couldn't get up. She was elderly. I got the nurse And I got on the phone and I called his sister, and I said, Ma'am, I explained who I was. And I said he can't really verbalize too well right now, but he wants to say he loves you. I put the phone down. And he told her he loved her. And he said, I'm going home.”

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  2. “Days leading up to it, I go around and try to comfort the other cancer patients. I just went older African-American gentleman. He couldn't talk because he had such advanced throat cancer. He was my roommate for a little while, but then he got worse. They had to put him by himself. You couldn't understand what he was saying because his throat was just so radiated from the radiation. But if you put your ear.”

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  3. “You were done that day. And that's, I think, where people need to humanize each other. Just because you're driving around in a nice car and you got your own jet and you got this and you got that don't mean nothing. When you're going, when you're in that vulnerable spot, you could have more money than the U.S. reserves, Federal Reserve, or you could have a welfare check, you're going. I learned that in a cancer ward. I had people on my ward that died on me. I was going around as a little bit of an ambassador because I was trying to, I was putting on a fake, I was putting on a fake, like, I got this, I got this. I was so scared. But when I got past that seven days of torture,”

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  4. “Same thing we say is the fear. So, Mr. Coke and I, we shared that same sledgehammer to the chest and that same fear and it didn't matter how much money he had and how much I didn't. And you know, it's just like the morning of the trade center. There was big time brokers. Went to their demise, right? Working in these firms. God rest them. And they were dishwashers, excuse me, dishwashers up on the windows on the world restaurant on the 107th floor. Making five bucks an hour and they died together. It didn't matter. It didn't matter if you had an armored car loaded with bills.”

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  5. “Of a story. And you know what, Lex? This is the commonality between us. A guy with three jobs to a billionaire. We both had that sense of a sledgehammer to the chest. Boom, you have cancer You can't breathe for like 30 seconds. And then, when your heart's just about to kick off and you take a breath and you go, I'm sorry. What did you say, Doc? You have cancer. And it don't matter what kind. Of my best buddies, Bobby's going through right now prostate, and I got way too many of my buddies with cancer, right? My buddy Hugh, who became a vet since his first cancer, he was a fireman. He's now a veterinarian, right? He diagnosed me actually over the phone, by the way, when they couldn't figure out what was wrong with me. Well, Dr. Hugh, he nailed it to the take. We The same thing that the dozen of my close friends that have cancer.”

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  6. “And he was so real, and it was so beautiful just to get to know, say, hey, you know what? This guy is a big time guy, but yet he's just a regular human like you and I. I'm a guy who went to night college and I went to the Army and I'm a blue collar kind of dude. And here's this guy who went to MIT like you. And he's a wildly successful billionaire, a genius, but yet he can sit down and mix it up with me and know that I was truly grateful. And that to me was just like one of the coolest. Little relationships I've ever had. It wasn't like we were hanging out, having barbecues together, but like, you know, it was just, I was so touched by his decency”

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  7. “Thank him to say we may not agree on everything, but I can't thank you enough. This is this regular dude out there who is now living his life watching his kids grow thanks to generous people like you who believe enough in cancer research you've saved my life. Maybe I can't say his exact dollars, but people like him. And he reached back out. And his secretary said, Oh, he'd like to talk to you on the phone. I go, Well, he's kind of a busy guy. He wants to talk to me. He's a billionaire. And he got on the phone. He was like the greatest guy in the world. He invited me up to Sloane Kettering to dedicate a new cancer wing. It was like I was hanging out with my dad. And the sweetest man, just so kind, so empathy He was a cancer survivor, but now he's got the means to help People who've suffered his fate. To a better place”

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  8. “How much to be alive? And my cancer was one that. Excuse me, 2001. I was a dead man, right? 15, 20 years before, there was no drug to treat. I was gone, going home to see him. There's this wonderful gentleman that donated hundreds of millions of dollars to cancer research, Mr. David Coke. He's since God rest his soul passed away. And he's a controversial guy, big time business titan. And, you know, there was the press was just brutalizing him one day over something to do with his politics. Now, I'm a union guy. I'm proudly served in union, still in a union, you know, and he was not most business guys don't like unions, right? But, you know, most guys like me don't like working for $3 an hour. So we like our unions, right? And I reached out across the table, so to speak, and I sent him a handwritten letter.”

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  9. “I do too The way this all came about was, I, Wrote a letter, someone to say thank you for cancer research. Blessed to be alive”

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  10. “And like, like, and then I'd write her another one and I just couldn't wait for letters from Granny. And now it's like, you know, that's kind of faded away.”

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  11. “Have cousins in Ireland and England. I love it. I get a FaceTime or a WhatsApp, and it's like, holy crap, three, 4,000 miles away, and I'm having a conversation now. I used to send my grandma in Ireland a letter, a daughter. She passed when I was 10. And no, I'm sorry, I was 11. And I sent her a letter, air mail, and I'd wait and I'd wait about two weeks later, this airmail letter would come back. And she called me Master Nills William Jordans. I would be so excited”

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  12. “Impediments to your socially skills, your personal. And that's, and again, I don't mean it as a knock to you and these young”

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  13. “But I don't mean that as a rip, but you I would never know that I would never know that because you're very engaging, you're very like, I would not know like you don't have any.”

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  14. “Going, that's scary because your awareness is gone. And it's, I've been at restaurants with groups of people and they're texting and they're texting each other. They're sitting on the other side of the table. I'm like, put the freaking thing down and have a conversation. And that's the thing. We've lost the art of conversation. My wife runs, she has this running jokes goes, Oh, there's a lot going on up there. And I'm like, yeah, because I really, I'm inquisitive. I'm excited about life. I love to meet people. I love to learn. And the only way you can do that is to have a conversation.”

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  15. “And I'm going, he's seen all of that. Oh, my wife's grandmother was born in 1900 in Czechoslovakia. And she died in 1998. I'm going, holy, the stuff she saw in the span of her life. It's just incredible. But what troubles me sometimes is with all of these advances and all these devices. This is what I say to my kids. Look up. The phone and look up, right? Because we don't talk anymore. I saw a girl literally shouldn't say girl guy, whatever, I saw a person literally just about walk into an open manhole cover texting.”

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  16. “But you didn't have that arena. You didn't have all these things. My grandfather Nells, God rest him. He died in 1979. I mean, that dude didn't even want to have a checking account. He would walk to each store, the phone company, the gas company, this company, and pay the bill in person. He didn't trust the bank. And it was like now ATMs, this, that he would be overwhelmed. He'd be just like, I mean, I love my dad, but to watch him on his iPad is comical, right? He calls my niece's boyfriend who's a tech guy, Matt, if you listen, he's the greatest, he'll have this poor guy in a phone for like hours. The second you'll walk in to see my father, my kids. Do me a favor. You straighten out this pant, and it's comical because I'm looking at my dad and I'm going, he was born when Hitler started World War II.”

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  17. “50 years ago, a guy like me who loves to talk how the hell would I have gotten an opportunity to have someone listen to me and have it right? And I think it's cool”

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  18. “We're getting better, but we're treating each other worse and worse. You would think with all this technology and all the knowledge and all the, it's like, what the hell is going on sometimes? I really want to see the good. And I think maybe the level of bad that we're seeing was always existing. It's just now everything is instantaneous news and flashes and tweets and this and this. Like, you know,”

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  19. “I see it in action, people restore my faith. And then I say to myself, well, there can't be that many dummies in this world if there's so many billions of us believing in this higher power, this higher, right? I mean, and you said you said earlier, like you believe most people are good. And I do too. The bad outshine the good because the bad get the press, right? If it bleeds, it leads. That's just, you know, like think about it. How many more damn zombie apocalypse movies can we make, right? I didn't even know there was that many zombies. And it just seems like every other show is just guys like bashing each other's heads in with bats with nails in it. And it's like after a while, it's like, oh, gosh, you got to get a new boogeyman here, you know, right? Like, but seriously, like.”

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  20. “Who created the gas and the molecules and the stuff you're talking about in the collisions? And he was furious and stomped off. And I got him. And again, I had no facts. I had no figure. He didn't either. Stumped Sometimes when you can't show something, people need to see something. They need to see it in their hand to believe it. That's the real hard thing about faith”

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  21. “You don't know who to trust. Sometimes when you don't have facts, when you don't have figures and you don't have science, it's hard to take someone's word on it. You know, I had a conversation with someone a while back, right? And the guy's like just dedicated atheist and he thinks I'm an idiot for believing in God. And he's like, yo, you're one of those jerks who believes in creation. And I said, Well, I do. Well, what about the big bang theory that he's going on his diatribe about the science and the gases and the chemistry? And I'm going, dude, I barely got through high school chemistry. Slow down. He went on a tangent, and all of a sudden I stopped. I went.”

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  22. “And now you start going, yeah. And I think what happens is when you're in company of people and you start telling each other the same thing often, you freaking believe it. I mean, if you keep telling me I got a great head of hair, I'm going to go, you know what? I do. But no, I don't. I mean, right? I got that waving bye bye due. But like. But you know, I think when you start hearing something often, you start believing it. But I'm not going to doubt their intelligence. I'm not going to doubt their intentions. I just don't see it as being plausible. I just, it would be too. Too big of an operation to successfully happen. Look, there's other things that I won't say it on the interview there, but like I have my doubts with certain things.”

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  23. “Yeah, man. You know, like, look, I was a three job Charlie, right? You know, one guy used to say to me anything but home, I go, no, I got deadlines, responsibilities. You know, like that's what it comes down to is like, I mean, look, we all have our hobbies and things we like and, you know, little nuances. And that's what makes us special. We're unique. Every person is a unique being. I also think some people just want to cling to something. Like, we all want to feel accepted and belong to something. All of a sudden, you group up with these people and you all believe this fervently, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, they did it, they took it down, they took it.”

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  24. “Well, you know, like many things in life, it leaves me a little conflicted. I have to say this, I am at the point now. I don't know who to believe anymore. So I could see that lending a hand to someone who's already a doubter going, oh, yeah, look, exactly. That's what they're doing, right? I mean, you know, look at this whole virus, like who do you believe? Like where did it come from? And, you know, if you plant that seed It's like that little campfire we were talking about earlier, right? You just toss a little gas into those embers. You got a fire now. I also think there's a lot of people with a hell of a lot of extra time on their hands, right? And it really bored.”

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  25. “They're all getting along, and they're not hurting each other, they're not violating each other, they're not canceling each other. And I'm going, we really need to learn from these dogs. Sometimes it sounds crazy, but I think they're better species than people. Unless they're rabid, they don't hurt on purpose. They don't cut you off in traffic and throw you the middle finger. And they just don't do these. Acts of humanity that sometimes are so vicious.”

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  26. “People like you and I who have hearts and we have depth of soul, we couldn't imagine it. But there's other people who wouldn't even be a second thought. I mean, I've seen some horrific incidents in my career that I go home shaking my head at night going, human beings are just, they're not wired right. You know, I mean, I look at animals. I love animals. I love dogs especially, right? And I see this dog park when I train to fly airplanes now and something I wanted to do. And there's a dog park across from the airport and there's 60 dogs and there's bones flying up in the air and shoot toys and sticks and they're running around having the time of their life, right?”

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  27. “What though Lex, there's people, and I won't elaborate, I won't get into it any controversial subjects or what have you. There's some people that don't have any problem at all perpetrating any level of evil.”

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  28. “I was just after it came down as well. We were assigned it and we weren't in it or next to it when it actually did come down. But moments after we were there. And again, I would like to believe that it just that that fuel was going. It just took physics took its course and it failed.”

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  29. “Oh my gosh, it could have been so much worse. I mean, you would have taken out every building from that point all the way up. But in my heart, I'd like to just believe that it was just a fire that burned too long and too hot, you know, these planes caused structural damage upon impact in both buildings. And it was just a matter of time. And then you think about it, you add all the plastics, all the carpeting, all of the stuff that was burning on those floors. You add that to that fire load. Think it just had enough to collapse it.”

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  30. “That it was just a matter of it burned too long, it burned too hot, and it failed. I mean, if you look at the way it came down, it came down as it was designed to in the God-forbidden event that it was to collapse. It came down pancaking upon itself. If it had failed horizontally and just sprayed out side to side, those buildings would have dropped for a quarter, half a mile up to Canal Street. But you know, Lex,”

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  31. “Those planes rammed into those buildings of 450 miles an hour. They were loaded with thousands and thousands of gallons of jet fuel. Number seven, Trade Center had the backup for the emergency management system for the city. And it was an emergency generator in that complex which had a 25,000 gallon tank of diesel fuel to continually run for weeks to keep the 911 system, the backup system going. In the case of a catastrophic event, well, that tank in seven heated up from the fire that was already going on from the aircraft debris coming into the building. So once that diesel became ignited in seven, now you had enough temperature to fail that steel in that building. So I would like to truly believe what I've learned from the minimal fire science knowledge I have from my career.”

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  32. “Allegedly, but yes, but you know, you're in a very, very intelligent man What I believe took place is this structural steel will fail at Sustained temperature of 1500 degrees Fahrenheit. And I don't know exactly how long that would have to be sustained, but that's the temp, right? Diesel fuel, kerosene fuel, kerosene-based jet fuel, which was the ignition there. At 2200 degrees Fahrenheit. So that continued burning of that diesel, that jet fuel, but kerosene-based, you know, it's all kind of similar Exceeded the temperature needed for that steel in the structural members of the trade center to fail. My heart of hearts, I would hate to ever think that somebody affiliated with our government, with some sort of agenda, would perpetrate that crime Tragic just destruction of humanity and property for some other form of gain.”

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  33. “I've been asked this by a few different people in my life. This is my take on it, right? You're a man of science and a man of education. So you.”

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  34. “Their career with gazillion dollar contracts with this company and that company on that board of directors and this board of directors, they walk out with a pension and that's it. And you have to wonder the intentions of people getting into politics. Are they truly going into to help the human condition or are they trying to help their own damn condition with their wallet in their pocketbook? try to lean toward the ladder lately you know with what i'm seeing out there”

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  35. “Time of hardship. Well, you have some people serving in congressional districts that don't even live in that district. I mean, so how are they going to empathize? They're not even driving through there on a daily basis. And, you know. Again, when anything becomes lucrative from a financial standpoint, it blurries people's vision. You have to take the potential of becoming rich out of... Politics. Politics is public service. Police and fire and EMS are public service. But cops and firemen and medics don't walk out.”

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  36. “I mean, I think some people would vote for Mickey Mouse just because if you ran, I mean, I know offense against Mickey Mouse, I like him. He's a good guy, right? I mean, but like, like.”

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  37. “I witnessed a cop who was dying get out of his wheelchair and said, hey, brother, I got half a million dollars in medical bills, and I'm a short timer. I got a few months to live. Who the F is going to pay him? Do the right thing. You say you're a cop, you show me you're a cop, and you sign that paper. And the guy started tearing up, the congressman, and he signed it. But he had to be freaking shamed. And you know what he said? Well, this doesn't really confront me. This is pork as far as my district is concerned. He goes, oh, yeah. Do you know there's 10 guys from your district who came across the country to help us that are also dying? He had no idea. No idea. And that's the sad part about Alex. It's a failure in leadership. You know.”

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  38. “Well, we had a guy, I mean, I might get audited out of this one, but I hope not, but we had a congressman from out west. I won't say where, but he prided himself on saying he was a retired cop. busy cop 22 years. He said no on the legislation.”

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  39. “If it comes back with a vengeance tomorrow and takes me, you know, at least my wife will get my pension and be able to live her life without fear. But my friends who are suffering from these advanced autoimmunes, their wives get nothing. Their pension dies with them. And we're hoping that John and his army can shame these politicians once again to have the kindness and decency to cover these autoimmunes. They're throwing a lot of money around and a lot of things lately. Is one that they won't, and these are lives in the balance who really need it.”

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  40. “And John actually had that stack of cards after Ray passed and said, Look, look at these. There's going to be more of these cards. We have one guy a week or girl, one responder or recovery worker or someone who actually resided down there. There's more than one a week dying. It's one a day dying on average. And on average, two people are diagnosed with a 9-11 cancer or disease. Right now, the worst part is there's autoimmune diseases flying off the graph and they're not covered under the legislation. By the grace of God, my cancer is covered. If my cancer comes back, I mean, I'm in remission. It's technically incurable, but I've been blessed. I'm staying ahead of this stuff going on 10 years.”

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  41. “And John saw it, and he said, What's that? He says, These are my cards. He said, For what? He says, For my brother's funerals. He was like, oh my God, you've been to that many funerals. He goes, yeah, this is just the ones I made, like, you know, and John, I think, was just stunned.”

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  42. “No, but again, I love a guy where you can have a difference in opinions. That's the beautiful thing about the firehouse kitchen. I mean, it could get raucous and now I don't know it's a little different situation. But back in the day, some funny stuff. But yeah, John literally just took his talents. You would think he was speaking from the heart of a fireman or a cop or soldier or a marine, you know, someone who was there. But I think he especially got to know Ray so well. And Ray had this stack of mascards from the funeral cards they give out. Looks like a larger business card that's laminated. And Ray had a stack of them he would carry around. I think it was close to 100 cards.”

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  43. “It was heartfelt. I mean, He spoke look, I mean, John was a, you know, a polarizing guy, right? There's certain things like over the years. He was cutting edge and I might not have agreed with all of his. Some stuff, some not, right? You know, like we all, but I tell you, I found him as funny. I enjoyed his humor.”

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  44. “We're nowhere to be freaking found. I physically witnessed them hiding in cloakrooms, running down hallways away from us, those freaking cowards.”

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  45. “They got us all covered, but it took so long. Lexi was so heartbreaking. These people who were lining up three deep politicians, three deep to catch a picture with a responder so they can tweet, hashtag never forget and hashtag look at me and, hey, how am I doing? All that bull crap.”

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  46. “That was determined to be linked to 9 11. There were others, but the first one that was officially linked was a New York City police detective who initially, the city said he died of advanced lung disease. His lungs were protruding out of his body. And he was on painkillers, and it was so bad at the end that the doctors said, just grind them up, snort them, drink it, whatever you need to do to get instant relief. So when they found the Talcom from the pill lining in his lungs, they said, oh no, this is opiate abuse. He didn't die of lung disease. So they said, and the mayor was quoted as saying he is not a hero. Well, shame on you, Mr. Mayor. He was a hero. And his father, who was a retired police chief, Married up with the Feel Good Foundation and John Stewart and Ray Pfeiffer, Detective Alvarez.”

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  47. “And I went in a house. I close my room, my door, my door in my room, and I cried. I said, I can't believe this. I spent my entire adult life trying to help people give of myself, and I can't even get my medical bill paid. Well, John Feel got my medical bill paid. He finally got these politicians with his team, firefighter Ray Pfeiffer, who has since died, fought with terminal cancer for nine years in a wheelchair. Literally at the end came out of hospice to go finalize getting us this coverage. Detective Luis Alvarez, who testified Before he died from the Congress Bunch of other guys that were really, really sick, and we had to shame these people into signing on. And luckily, we had John Stewart come on and literally just hound these guys and shame them and embarrass them. And what it all stemmed from was in 2006, the first.”

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  48. “And he with his army had to chase these politicians through the halls of Congress. To get funding to cover the medical bills. I was getting sued for $125,000 for my month stay in the cancer ward. And Couldn't believe it. I said, Well, wait a minute, I have insurance. They're like, oh, no, no, this is terrorism related. We don't cover that. So usually then workers will cover your on-duty injury or illness. Oh no, no, no. Leukemia is not covered under that. We don't cover that. So then the ping pong game starts and I'm literally have people showing up taking pictures of my kids in front of the house and I went and grabbed the guy one day by the collar. I said, who the hell are you? Sir, I'm private investigator. We're putting a lien on this property due to a non-payment of a bill. I said, okay, I understand. Do your job. Let me bring my kids inside, take all the pictures you want. Don't step on my front lawn.”

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  49. “And what it was with John is he set out on a mission to get initially what he did is he got funding to take care of responders who were in that limbo, who couldn't get their medical bills paid, who couldn't make their mortgages, who couldn't make their car payments, who couldn't make their child care payments. And John just took it upon his own to get donations and take care of you while you were suffering, right? I got a call when I got out of hospital. You okay? You need anything? I said, who is this? It's John Feel. I said, aren't you that constructor? Yeah, you need anything. I'm pretty good right now. I said, I appreciate it. Foam ring again a few weeks later. Hey, Sean Field, you need anything? I'm like, this guy's incredible. But there's people who needed stuff, and he was getting it done.”

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  50. “And he went on a mission, formed his feel-good foundation. His last name is Phil F-E-A-L. Feel-good foundation. And this man literally went to Washington, D.C. with his army, as he called it. And I was honored and blessed to be with him only a couple times. I wish I had dedicated some more time to it.”

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