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Nina Schick

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“To bridge that gap. And I think there will be a moment when we truly understand that this is probably one of the biggest challenges of the information age. Of course, of course it is. We're living in the information age and there's a bad and dangerous information ecosystem. We need to fix it. And I'm hopeful that we will be mobilizing towards that.”
2020-08-07 · Intelligence Squared · Deepfakes and the Infocalypse with Nina Schick and Carl Miller · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think it will probably get worse before it gets better. But I think there will be. Tipping point where there are more and more resources dedicated to this. I mean, if I was in charge of the government, for example, I wouldn't have tech as like a subsection of what government looks at. I mean, it should be above everything, you know. And unfortunately, my kind of, I can only speak from my experience of working in the policy and politics world where I have found too large of a gap between the understanding of policymakers and politicians and the scale of the problem. So I can only speak from that perspective where I have seen a lot more work needs to be done. But the good thing is that there are people who really, really get it. People like you as well, Carl, we need more Carl Millers in the world who are trying to.”
2020-08-07 · Intelligence Squared · Deepfakes and the Infocalypse with Nina Schick and Carl Miller · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“looking at the policy and legal arenas. I think it's not, again, it's not something that's going to be fixed overnight. It's not something that's going to be fixed by one body. It's only something that when society recognizes how much this impacts everything that society as a whole has to mobilize and, well, do something about our corrupt information ecosystem in the information age.”
2020-08-07 · Intelligence Squared · Deepfakes and the Infocalypse with Nina Schick and Carl Miller · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“One organization or one body that can do that. The answers are not going to come from regulation alone. They're not going to come from policymakers alone. You can't just go to the big tech companies and be like, you fix it because it is ultimately not a tech problem, it's a societal problem. It's a human nature problem. And we all these contingent parts of society need to work together to come up with solutions. So you need to take a networked approach. Obviously, That is pretty complicated, but the good work has already started and in the kind of last chapter of my book I lay out various people and organizations that are tackling different parts of the problem. So you have technologists who are trying to create AI machine learning systems that can identify deepfakes online. And then you have people who are taking more of a human rights angle. And then you have people.”
2020-08-07 · Intelligence Squared · Deepfakes and the Infocalypse with Nina Schick and Carl Miller · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“What was happening around Trump, what was an increasingly polarized debate in our own society. And then I saw how women were being targeted by deepfake non-consensual pornography. I think the first thing is to put a conceptual framework around that. And that's what I've called in Focalypse, right? This information ecosystem, which is increasingly dangerous and untrustworthy, all are impacted by it. I mean, you raised the point earlier in the interview and I think this is something that many people ask me saying, well, you know, why does it matter? It's just a bit of nonsense because it's not tangible. So I think we need to, first of all, say, stress how important it is and how it impacts all of us. And then the second part, so that's the first thing, understand. The second part is we begin to defend more proactively. And there is no”
2020-08-07 · Intelligence Squared · Deepfakes and the Infocalypse with Nina Schick and Carl Miller · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think there is a way through, but unfortunately there is no silver bullet answer. And because we are going to be entering now a period of tremendous flux, both geopolitically, not to mention because of the huge kind of exponential advances in technology and how that's going to impact our society, I think there's going to be a lot more chaos before there's structure and come again. So I think the first instance in the first instance, what we need to do is to name it and understand what's happening. And that was my contribution in writing this book because I kind of saw all of these trends and how they were coming together over the last decade of my work where I've started with what Russia was doing and then I saw how, you know, kind of some of the Western influence operation campaigns were running and what was happening with Brexit.”
2020-08-07 · Intelligence Squared · Deepfakes and the Infocalypse with Nina Schick and Carl Miller · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“ultimately a reflection on human nature, right? Because all this technology which is coming together with human nature is showing both the best sides and the worst sides of humanity. And I think the only thing that we have to do right now is we need to get a little bit of a handle on some of the bad sides.”
2020-08-07 · Intelligence Squared · Deepfakes and the Infocalypse with Nina Schick and Carl Miller · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“which is what I'm talking about here in particular with regards to deep fake, that that is not going to be used by bad guys. It's going to have incredible applications. Of course it will. But we should not be so naive as to think that there won't be opportunists who will use it for bad. So whether that's a rogue state, whether that's an opportunist domestic politician, whether that is a criminal, whether that's a fraudster, whether that's just your mate who you really pissed off, who wants to get some form of revenge on you. I think this more than having one person to blame is the ultimate”
2020-08-07 · Intelligence Squared · Deepfakes and the Infocalypse with Nina Schick and Carl Miller · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, you know what? I wish I could tell you this is the person who is to blame, but I think I think a lot of this has come about by the tech utopias. So the tech utopia that the age of information was supposed to bring, we've already seen there are many, many downsides as well. I mean, technology itself is net neutral, right? It's just a driver of human intention and human intention is neither wholly good nor wholly bad. the kind of tech revolution or the age of information of the last three decades is now manifesting itself in both its amazing aspect as well its very very very dark aspect so i don't think that there is one person to blame however what i will say is that we should not be so naive as to think that the new developments that are coming down the line so for example when it comes to the advances in ai”
2020-08-07 · Intelligence Squared · Deepfakes and the Infocalypse with Nina Schick and Carl Miller · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Because the prime minister kind of went missing for a few months and it was because he had had a stroke. But when he appeared on TV, he looked kind of strange because he had had the stroke and he had like Botox to make his face look a bit more straight. And what his opponent said was that that was a deep fake video and that wasn't actually the president and the president had died and they used that as an opportunity to have a coup d'etat. So even if there isn't a deep fake, the fact that you there is no more consensus around visual media serving as legitimate evidence can have an impact in the other way as well.”
2020-08-07 · Intelligence Squared · Deepfakes and the Infocalypse with Nina Schick and Carl Miller · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I wanted to quickly also mention is There's something called the liar's dividend. So with deep fakes, and this is one really interesting thing that's happening with deep fakes, so just the fact that you have this technology out there where you know you can fake video evidence means that in certain parts of the world where there's already kind of a fragile consensus around human rights abuses and video is seen as a form of documenting that the mere existence of deepfakes hurts them in the other way by meaning that everybody gets plausible deniability so let's say you have a video evidence of someone committing an atrocity because deepfakes exist now you can say well that's just a deepfake even when it isn't and i kind of talk about in the book how that happened for example in in gabon where there was a failed coup d'etat”
2020-08-07 · Intelligence Squared · Deepfakes and the Infocalypse with Nina Schick and Carl Miller · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Of Deepfake. But in parts of the developing world, that doesn't exist yet. So not only can these tools cause be used as a form of kind of oppressing human rights and for real violence. And I mean, we've literally seen it in the case of ethnic genocide. It's a place in many parts of the world, I fear that the citizenry is simply not ready for the apocalypse where it could do a lot more damage. Again, I think we have a responsibility to build a safer information environment for all these people who are going to be let out into the wild, wild west and potentially be harmed by what's out there”
2020-08-07 · Intelligence Squared · Deepfakes and the Infocalypse with Nina Schick and Carl Miller · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Very much on Facebook, right? So online. It's fascinating to me when I go back to Nepal and I see people who in the village, you know, barely 10 years ago had running, well, they still don't have running water or electricity, but they will have a mobile phone and be able to get on the internet. So a lot of the people in the developing world, for lack of a better word, who are first coming into this information ecosystem have less protection than we do in the West because at least in the West we have some form of inoculation and we understand that this is underway and we also have learned because we've seen some of the more crude and rudimentary forms of disinformation and misinformation and we can recognize them right we've been inoculated against the worst some of the dangers and part in part I'm writing this book because I want to help inoculate against the coming danger”
2020-08-07 · Intelligence Squared · Deepfakes and the Infocalypse with Nina Schick and Carl Miller · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I grew up in Nepal and India and I go into how the Nocalypse has been super dangerous in parts of the world like India where misinformation and disinformation has been rife on these new kind of as this people have plugged into this new information ecosystem with tools like the internet and smartphones for the first time, how they've been less able to deal with some of the disinformation that's gone viral and I give some instances about how in India there's been like numerous cases of people being killed because of viral misinformation spreading on WhatsApp, for example. There was also the case of Burma where there was literally an ethnic genocide against the Rohingya, which was very much fanned on by online disinformation which was spread in the case of Burma actually hate speech.”
2020-08-07 · Intelligence Squared · Deepfakes and the Infocalypse with Nina Schick and Carl Miller · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So this was one of the most interesting chapters in the book for me to research and write because obviously I came at it from the angle of like Western democracies and foreign countries trying to undermine Western democracies through information warfare. But what was also really interesting to look at was the rest of the world. And of course the dangerous information ecosystem impacts the rest of the world as well, which is one of the reasons why I think what happens in the West is so important because if we as a kind of bastion of the free world can't deal with this bad information ecosystem with all the institutions and all the protections that we have in place and we do, then there is no hope for those countries which have less rigid safeguards. And I kind of go into a little bit about I grew up in South Asia.”
2020-08-07 · Intelligence Squared · Deepfakes and the Infocalypse with Nina Schick and Carl Miller · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“What are we going to do about? And these are really the big questions that we need to think about. And I honestly think these are the biggest and most important challenges for our democracies in the 21st century. And in the next five to ten years.”
2020-08-07 · Intelligence Squared · Deepfakes and the Infocalypse with Nina Schick and Carl Miller · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, and that all evidence, you're absolutely right. All evidence seems to suggest that that is the new normal. I mean, these researchers at the University of Oxford who've been kind of tracking, they call it computational propaganda and influence operations on social media found that the number of countries doing it had gone up to 70, I think it was last year from 17 a few years ago. And that included many Western countries. So I think The genie's already out of the bottle, right? I don't think we're putting it back in. So I think the question then is how do we as citizens feel about that, especially in Western democracies? And how do we think that is going to impact our politics because it definitely will impact our politics, especially in these countries where the state does not have a monopoly?”
2020-08-07 · Intelligence Squared · Deepfakes and the Infocalypse with Nina Schick and Carl Miller · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, yeah, exactly. This is one of the biggest challenges facing Western democracies in my view. It's true that we are facing a lot of geopolitically, we're facing a lot of hostile forces and the world is changing. However, I don't think we've quite The democracy has figured out how we're going to run our politics in the information age because we do have certain rights, freedom of expression, freedom of information which are inalienable and should be protected. However, we haven't quite figured out how to square that with the dangerous information ecosystem.”
2020-08-07 · Intelligence Squared · Deepfakes and the Infocalypse with Nina Schick and Carl Miller · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Have been like, oh, well, if the Republicans use these kind of disinformation tactics, then should we do it too, or does that make us just as bad? And the reality is they have used these kind of tactics. There was a famous instance where there was a seat in Alabama and the Democrats ran a disinformation campaign inspired by the Russians against the very safe Republican candidates who were supposed to win that seat. I just think the main question is what happens with our domestic information ecosystem and is it just going to become one where anything goes in order to win? And we see those kind of divides here in the UK as well, right? Where everything has become so polarized, where you have to choose a side and any kind of nuance or any kind of Position being a centrist is way outdated. So I think this is.”
2020-08-07 · Intelligence Squared · Deepfakes and the Infocalypse with Nina Schick and Carl Miller · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“worth retreading that ground because he is the leader of the free world and where America leads you know the rest of the Western world will follow and seeing how fast and loose he has been with not only lying but also disinformation and the use of manipulated media, including the use of deepfakes, has been really alarming because to a certain extent it doesn't matter whether or not Trump wins the election in 2020. That precedent has already been set. So I'm really interested to see if Trump loses, you know, what happens then? What happens to the Apocalypse? What happens to the information ecosystem? Because it's not just the Republicans who are using these tactics. The Democrats are too. And I talk about that in my book. This is the perennial kind of debate, you know, where the Democrats...”
2020-08-07 · Intelligence Squared · Deepfakes and the Infocalypse with Nina Schick and Carl Miller · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, I think the interesting thing about politics in the digital age is is the imperative just to win is anything allowed when it comes to winning? So can you say and do anything? Or is the imperative, especially in Western democracies, to win, but also to have some kind of cohesive society? And I think that's kind of the crossroads where we stand at right now. And in my book, when I look at the Western democracies and the domestic threat and the domestic challenge, I use the United States as a case study because obviously we have the US election coming up and I look at particularly one actor who's got so much influence and of course that's Donald Trump. And I know so much has been written about Donald Trump and so much has been said about Donald Trump. But I think it's”
2020-08-07 · Intelligence Squared · Deepfakes and the Infocalypse with Nina Schick and Carl Miller · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“You could try to explain that to potential employer and say, oh, you know, that wasn't me, that's a deepfake, but they might just be like, you know what? It's just too complicated. So it matters for our politics, both domestically and geopolitically. It matters for every single business and it matters in your personal life. And this is why I think it's not just a question of defakes. It's much bigger than that. It's about how is our information ecosystem become so dangerous? How are we facing this monumental crisis of mis and disinformation where we've all become potential targets? And what the hell do we do about it? So it absolutely matters.”
2020-08-07 · Intelligence Squared · Deepfakes and the Infocalypse with Nina Schick and Carl Miller · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“To anyone, you yourself are at the front lines of potentially becoming a target of disinformation in a really, really personal way. Because what deep fakes will allow you to do or will it allow a bad actor to do is to actually steal your voice or to steal your face and to make you say or do something you didn't say? And again, the first instance, it's not make-believe, right? It's already happening. It's happening in pornography. It's happening mostly against women right now. But that is a harbinger of what's to come. Because let's say I just don't like you, Carl, and I want to ruin your reputation. I could make a leaked audio tape of you saying something very disagreeable, which would be enough to get you cancelled in these political climates. And I could just put that on Google with your name on it.”
2020-08-07 · Intelligence Squared · Deepfakes and the Infocalypse with Nina Schick and Carl Miller · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“All of us in other ways. First of all, businesses. Every business is at risk in the apocalypse. Every business faces reputational risk. Every business can be subjected to disinformation. I mean, we're already seeing it how, you know, on social media, these campaigns have been run saying this and this business supported Trump, so boycott them or saying, you know, there was another instance where there was a lot of fake news about Starbucks giving free coffees to people of color. Every business is at risk of disinformation in this corrupt and dangerous information ecosystem. Aside from business, then there's also you, the personal, when it comes to the very individual level. And because of the way that DFACs and AI will make this information basically a tool that's available”
2020-08-07 · Intelligence Squared · Deepfakes and the Infocalypse with Nina Schick and Carl Miller · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Define our own domestic politics as well. So if you look at it from the political angle, I mean really what's at stake here is liberal democracy, right? Do you want to have a liberal democracy in a kind of functioning society? Because if you do, you need to have some kind of basis, some kind of shared reality, some kind of objective platform on which to decide these are the facts and this is how we're going to run society. So it doesn't work if it's being disrupted by foreign powers from the outside and internally by domestic agents as well. So if you end up in the state where you're just constantly having information warfare because that is literally what it is, then our society is going to suffer. So let's say you're not interested in any of that and you don't care about what the Russians are doing, what the Chinese are doing and you don't care about like domestic politics either. I would say again it matters because it impacts.”
2020-08-07 · Intelligence Squared · Deepfakes and the Infocalypse with Nina Schick and Carl Miller · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, so I think that's a really good question. And my answer would be it absolutely matters because if we're looking at it from the dimension of foreign interference, right? So if you say to me, oh, well, it's lazy to say that Trump won because of the Russians. I would agree with you. I'd say absolutely. You know, that is a lazy explanation for a very complicated set of reasons as to why Trump won the election. And it isn't only because the Russians intervened. However, The fact that the Russians did intervene is a fact. So that is something we cannot deny and we shouldn't deny. Moreover, it's not just about foreign interference, right? It's not just about what the Russians are doing, what the Chinese are doing, what the Saudis are doing. They're doing it. Okay, that's one angle. The second angle is that this corroded and corrupted information ecosystem is increasingly coming to”
2020-08-07 · Intelligence Squared · Deepfakes and the Infocalypse with Nina Schick and Carl Miller · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Absolutely. And that is so key because, and I think you're so right to point that out because over the past few weeks, when the Russia issue has come to the fore in the news agenda here in the UK again, I've had so many people come to me and say, well, it can't possibly be because in 2016 they were supposedly in favor of Brexit. And now, you know, oh, they were supposedly in favor of Jeremy Corbyn. That is exactly the strategy. You cause a division and chaos and you hit a democracy where it hurts. You know, because of our freedom of speech and our freedom of expression, you seek to drive the rifts into democracy on all sides of the spectrum. They did it here in the UK with regards to both the conservatives and labour. And you're absolutely right in the United States in 2016. They did it for both Donald Trump as well as Bernie Sanders. So it works on both sides.”
2020-08-07 · Intelligence Squared · Deepfakes and the Infocalypse with Nina Schick and Carl Miller · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“They were also creating these blue lives matter groups where they were talking about we need to protect our police and we can't defund the police and it was so ironic because as I was writing the book I mean I wrote it in a few weeks during lockdown that's when just at the end when we're going to press i had warned how this would continue to be an issue that the russians would agitate on That's when the George Floyd killing happened. And that's not.”
2020-08-07 · Intelligence Squared · Deepfakes and the Infocalypse with Nina Schick and Carl Miller · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“A lot of pride. So, for instance, it could be Confederates, you know, Texas secessionists, gun owners on the right, on the conservative side of the spectrum. And on the other side of the spectrum, it was African-American groups, you know, feminists. And then after they had kind of built up these groups loads of feelings of pride, a distinct identity, they started injecting them with messages of legitimate political grievances. And it was so dostardly one of the things that I document in the book is how time and time again Russian disinformation, starting with Operation Infection, has focused on the African American community. And they did that in 2016 as well, where they use Facebook to build up all these black lives matter groups around some of the controversial shootings and police brutality. But at the same time,”
2020-08-07 · Intelligence Squared · Deepfakes and the Infocalypse with Nina Schick and Carl Miller · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Media operations. And this is something that they have become really good at in the Ukrainian war. So they really cut their teeth in about 2013, 2014. And then they started looking at the US, not only in 2016, but for a period of three years, they started kind of looking at the US in 2013. And what they did was really find a way where they could attack Western democracy from within. And the tactic to do this was to cause division within society. And what they did was create these communities on social media by using Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, where they built up people's tribal identities on both sides of the political spectrum. So it's wrong to think that Russian disinformation just targets one side, either the left or the right of the political spectrum. And they injected these groups.”
2020-08-07 · Intelligence Squared · Deepfakes and the Infocalypse with Nina Schick and Carl Miller · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And in the 80s, this seed of disinformation that the Soviets came up with was kind of planted in a newspaper in India. And then over the years, it was like reiterated in the Soviet press. And it kind of grew and grew and grew and grew until about almost a decade later, it went completely viral. Now, in the Apocalypse with modern technology, Russia still has more or less the same strategy. It's just that the tools by which to spread this kind of disinformation have become far more potent. So if we fast forward, I kind of do a little tour of what the Russians did in 2016 because I was working on these political events then. If you look at what happened in the election, one of the things they did, apart from hacking and also trying to compromise the critical voting infrastructure, one of the things that they did, which was super interesting was social.”
2020-08-07 · Intelligence Squared · Deepfakes and the Infocalypse with Nina Schick and Carl Miller · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So if you look back at the Cold War, one of the most daring disinformation campaigns the Soviets ever launched was called Operation Infection. Now, this was the myth that HIV AIDS was a virus created by the CIA in a laboratory to kill African Americans.”
2020-08-07 · Intelligence Squared · Deepfakes and the Infocalypse with Nina Schick and Carl Miller · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, so I mean, my background is somebody who started working in national security and European politics at the start of for about 10 years. And I was really at the front lines of watching what was happening when Russia annexed Crimea and also then invaded eastern Ukraine in 2013. And the really interesting thing about Russia is that I have a whole chapter in my book on Russia because I call Russia the master. I say they are the masters of information warfare and it's not just something that they started doing in the Apocalypse, right? They were doing this in the Cold War. And I recount a story in my book about how successful they were at spreading disinformation. And consistently throughout history, they have used disinformation and information operations to have an outsized geopolitical influence.”
2020-08-07 · Intelligence Squared · Deepfakes and the Infocalypse with Nina Schick and Carl Miller · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, the apocalypse. It's just a nice word that I decided to kind of throw into the title. It was actually a word that was coined by a US technologist in 2016 when he was kind of warning of the era of fake news. And essentially how I described the apocalypse is are increasingly dangerous information ecosystem that's untrustworthy. And it's something that I think is going to continue to become more dangerous and more untrustworthy. So the infocalypse, I think, is going to advance. And within that, I think AI indeed are going to definitely play a role. I think the main point, and this is what researchers like you also are thinking about, Carl, is how do we change the infrastructure of our information ecosystem as to make it more trustworthy? And safe because it is so important, becoming ever more important.”
2020-08-07 · Intelligence Squared · Deepfakes and the Infocalypse with Nina Schick and Carl Miller · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So a deep fake is essentially a maliciously used piece of synthetic media, so synthetic media is either wholly generated by AI or partially generated by AI. And we're still at the very, very beginning of the synthetic media revolution. So what we've seen so far with deepfakes, and a lot of people who talk about deepfakes are like, oh my God, this is the end of democracy. It can make you say or do make you take anyone or say or do anything. But the reality is the barriers to entry right now are still quite high. However, they're coming down very, very quickly. So essentially what that means is that Hollywood level special effects, you know, the type of things that you see in these blockbusters, which would previously have been inaccessible to anyone except those with a lot of money, you know, a whole special effect studio, that is basically...”
2020-08-07 · Intelligence Squared · Deepfakes and the Infocalypse with Nina Schick and Carl Miller · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Bad use cases, and my first thing that I wanted to do with writing this book is to talk about that. So people recognize it's not only coming, it's already here, and we need to be able to recognize it.”
2020-08-07 · Intelligence Squared · Deepfakes and the Infocalypse with Nina Schick and Carl Miller · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Was the deep fake because I thought, wow, that's so fascinating when I first came across them. But increasingly, as I started writing the book, I was like, well, there's something else going on here, and that is that our information ecosystem in the age of information has just become so dangerous and untrustworthy. And I think a part of that is because it has changed so exponentially with these advances that I've just described from internet to social media to smartphones to the coming age of AI that society simply hasn't had time to adjust. And if you look at kind of the big changes in the ways that humans have communicated from the printing press to photography, I mean, there were 400 years between that, right? From the invention of Gutenberg's printing press to the advent of modern photography. And I just don't think we're ready for what AI can do. I'm not saying technology is bad. I'm just saying it will have”
2020-08-07 · Intelligence Squared · Deepfakes and the Infocalypse with Nina Schick and Carl Miller · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Most important medium of human communication, which is going to reach parts of the globe in a way that no other form of human communication has ever done before, that is just the time when it can be subverted by AI. I should point out that when I talk about deepfakes, it's essentially what I describe as a malicious use of synthetic media, synthetic media being AI generated content. And there'll be loads of positive use cases. I mean, it's completely going to open up like the creative industries and advertising industries, but there will be bad use cases. If I told you, hey, if you're a criminal or you want to do some kind of political disinformation and you have the power to make any video or audio, any media of anyone saying or doing anything, you can see how that technology can quickly be used by the bad guys. And I think what I wanted to do with this book, so the hook.”
2020-08-07 · Intelligence Squared · Deepfakes and the Infocalypse with Nina Schick and Carl Miller · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Absolutely. So I think when I first came to Deepfakes, I recognized how potent they were because in our current information ecosystem, right, which is like changing so quickly, video has become the medium of communication. And if you look at how it's changed over the last 30 years, we first had the internet, then we had smartphones, then we have social media. And I come from a part of the world, Nepal, you know, part of the developing world where until recently people were just kind of completely disconnected from this information ecosystem. But now everybody has a smartphone and everybody consumes information mostly through video. If you look at the stats for next year, I think it's over 82% of global internet traffic is going to be through the consumption of video content. So just at this time, the video is becoming the most”
2020-08-07 · Intelligence Squared · Deepfakes and the Infocalypse with Nina Schick and Carl Miller · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Media we've seen before, this is the heralding of what's to come when you can actually fake video and make it look like it's the real deal. So immediately when I kind of came across it in pornography, I was like, this is going to have massive implications on everything from politics to also individuals. And I kind of lay that out in the book, but there is the first kind of introduction as to like what a deep fake actually is.”
2020-08-07 · Intelligence Squared · Deepfakes and the Infocalypse with Nina Schick and Carl Miller · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So I came across a deepfake only about three years ago when they first, less than three years ago, when they first erupted on the internet. And for those who don't know, and many listeners will know, what a deep fake is essentially an AI generated, either partially or wholly fake piece of media content. It could be a video, it can be an image, it can also be text. I came to it as somebody who was advising the former NATO Secretary General, and we were working on election interference and disinformation and what Russia was doing to really disrupt the politics of the Western world. So when I first found a deepfake on this very obscure area of the internet on Reddit and its first use was in non-consensual pornography, I was like, oh my goodness, this is huge. Forget about fake news, forget about the disinformation, all the kinds of manipulated...”
2020-08-07 · Intelligence Squared · Deepfakes and the Infocalypse with Nina Schick and Carl Miller · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source