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Noam Dworman

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  1. Well, there's like Tom Papa is married to his wife, Cynthia, and they've been married for a long time and very happy. There's some couples they usually break up. Listen, comedians, it's not about marrying other female comedians. Male comedians are notoriously bad at love. One might say is because a lot of them are damaged in some way, and that's what makes them funny. Could be the lifestyle. I don't know, but they're not like my law school friends who are all happily married for a long time with children. The comedians, they get divorced a lot or they don't get married at all.

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  2. Less easy to offend. They're still much better company. They still, you know, much better conversations, much less boring small talk. There's a comedians only like to hang out with comedians for these reasons, and they die a thousand deaths when they have to go to a dinner with people who are not comedians. They really don't like it because they cut out all the nonsense. And they're very, very honest and very, very direct. It's coming to me as I'm answering you. They'll share very personal details with each other in a way that most people won't. Even people they don't even know that well. This is just part of their culture and part of their ethic to be very, very honest. And that's a very kind of captivating conversation to be in.

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  3. They are less aggressive. They are More careful they're less broy, you know, which is considered a bad thing, but the bros were fun. You know, there was a raucous kind of bro atmosphere like the Bill Burr types. Now, Bill, a lot of these people are famous now, but they're grandfathered in. But a young Bill Burr would have a tough time. People look like, dude, you need to chill out. You can't say that stuff anymore, you know. So those people's changed in that way. But in many ways they're the same. They're still smarter than most people. They're still...

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  4. Has something to do with the power of American culture. American culture has been integrated by all the other countries in the world somehow. They've just grown up or they get it. They get us. We don't get them. That's my best guess at it.

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  5. Apparently, people like American comedy all over the world. Americans are not so keen on comedians from other countries. When we have comedians come here from other countries, I don't think anybody's done that well. Gad Elmala did pretty well for a while.

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  6. Yeah, WC Field is funny. And way ahead of his time. And actually, I named, well, it wasn't my idea, but the name FATBLAC Pussycat, which is one of our rooms, is named after the bar in the movie Bank Dick. I think it might just be called the Fat Cat in that movie.

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  7. I don't know, but he's the only, we've tried Buster Keaton, we've tried Laurel Hardy. You know, they did a lot of silent movies before they did talk. We tried sampling all the greats of the silent era. And none of them seem to attract attention from the patrons other than Chaplain. Also, you know, he's acrobatic, there's roller skating.

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  8. The end of city lights, where he holds her hand and he realizes, and she realizes that he's a homeless guy or a bum, but she thought he was this rich man trying to encapsulate it as too complicated. But anyway, and you'll see multiple people with tears in their eyes at the end of this chaplain movie in the restaurant.

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  9. To me, it wasn't funny. No, I don't find it that funny. I went back not so long ago and listened and watched the Richard Pryor movie where he does the monkey and Leon Spinx and that stuff. And I still found that funny. But it's rare. Comedy does not age well. And I don't know. Well, I will tell you this it's not stand up comedy, but Chaplin, we play chaplain all the time in the restaurant. Right. There are nights when the entire restaurant will be laughing at Chaplin.

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  10. I played some old Bill Cosby stuff for my kids. I think this was before Bill Cosby went out of fashion. And they loved it. Now, they're killing. And they didn't.

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  11. Yeah, I think Jack Benny is still funny. I've seen some, but again, that's mostly. He's still funny in some of the old clips. I haven't heard Jack Benny stand up. Bob Hope is not still funny. I don't remember thinking Bob Hope was funny back then.

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  12. I haven't listened to it since I was in school, but I probably know because all the weed jokes and whatever, no, it seemed very, very dated.

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  13. It's funny comedy doesn't age well, right? It's not like music, it's amazing. How it doesn't age well I find all Don Rickles still funny sometimes. I find old George Carlin, I will still find the class clown album funny. I thought that the Judd Appetow documentary had a lot of footage of Carlin back in the 60s. I still found that funny.

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  14. Yeah, I'm sure there's, I don't know if there's a rule of thumb, every one of these scenarios might be unique in its own way, but definitely the idea that the radio was a central way of presenting things in those days. I think that probably dictated that a duo was a smart thing to have because you wanted to have a conversation on the radio and a plot. Abena Costello had plots, right?

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  15. That's what happened with Atari Lewis, right? And Dean Martin. I remember my father telling me nobody thought Dean Martin would last. Like everybody assumed, it turned out he did.

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  16. Those acts came up. Not in comedy rooms, as you say. Usually they be part of a bill. Sometimes one of them sang, but they would do radio plays, so they had to be able to do a plot on a, maybe, I'm trying to think of reasons why like, you know, it would be that we've had some comedy duos over the year that the comedy seller, very few. Some of them were very funny, but they eventually went their separate ways from each other. I think the vehicles that are being used now are just not conducive to a comedy team like they once were.

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  17. Oh, you didn't see it. I don't know. It's so funny. I mean, it just eviscerated everybody. You know, I don't know if that's because he had more, felt more latitude because he's not from the country, British, whatever it is, but it seemed different than an American comic would have done. It was different than the way Michelle Wolf

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  18. Like when Ricky Gervaise did those famous was it, the Golden Globes or whatever it is Was that particularly British? Would you say? Was there something about that that an American comic wouldn't have done?

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  19. And they've decided for themselves that this is a good audience for them. So I don't know the answer, but I enjoy British comedy.

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  20. Yeah, we have British comics, and they're less politically correct. They are more word-oriented, like Jimmy Carr. But I don't know the difference between British stand-up comedy. I don't know enough about it. I would assume it's similar between Monty Python movies and Caddy Shack, you know, that there's just a different sensibility about it. But the British comics that I see are a self-selected bunch of comedians who come to the conference. For America, yeah. And for the comedy, so they're friends of Louis, they're friends of somebody, you know, somehow they've gotten in the door.

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  21. Considered to be the greatest of the New York comedy clubs back in the 80s, they actually did have music acts, and the improv had music acts at one time. So now it's true that if it's too much, it can be difficult to settle the room back down to comedy. So there are practical reasons. But I think in general this kind of snobbery of the art form as opposed to just being entertaining to an audience, I'm on the side of entertainment. I would love to see a vaudeville show.

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  22. And when I first introduced it, I really introduced it because I had to let some musicians go when I was changing the club over to, so I tried to include them. And related to what you're saying, the black comics who are, who came up in much more raucous rooms and rooms which were not dedicated, they immediately embraced this. They liked it. They liked the energy. The more clever white comics are clevers and scare quotes were very resistant to it at first because this was not purest. In retrospect, most of them have come to me and said, no, I was wrong. The music is great. And we even allow the band a little feature thing. So I think it's not an improvement. I think that a mix of things is better. Categorize.

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  23. Yeah, I don't think it's better. I know that a lot of comedians became a little snobby about that. So, for instance, in the village underground, we have a band that brings the comedians up on off the stage. I don't know if you've been to the underground.

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  24. I don't know. And sometimes there isn't a reason. Sometimes there's just a golden age. There's a period where let's compare it to music. Why is music a little bit stagnant now? Maybe that's just the ebb and flow of where it's at and we're trying to correlate it to something, but it has nothing to do with that. Maybe there's just the great talents for doing other things now or a lot of the jokes have been told. I don't know. But there's definitely golden ages of... Every art

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  25. Hypothesis? Does that mean that there's movies that have been made which Are funny and would deserve the success of a classic comedy, they're just not getting appreciated.

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  26. I mean, the obvious answer that most people would say is that because you can't make those jokes anymore and most of the classic comedies had jokes which would be considered off limits today.

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  27. You can scratch out and work hard and put together a good 15 minutes. So there are a lot of overachievers working in comedy, but the real super talents, the real gems, like the Chappelles, like the Louis CKs, they really are on another level. And the world sees that. I don't know if that's a good answer or not.

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  28. Yeah, you're asking me questions about things that I've actually thought about even recently. I don't know the answer to that. Exactly. I've been wondering how is it that some of these comedy seller comedians Are on top, even though they're not actually funnier, and especially since you're only getting the cream of the crop of these tweets. I guess somehow they are. That's all I can tell you somehow who are at the top of this field. Now, there's a lot of overachievers in this profession. It's not like the NBA. If you want to be in the NBA, you got to be in the top one-tenth of basketball players in the country, or it's immediately obvious.

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  29. Well, lost, but a civilian in the sense that. Know, I'm not supposed to be the talent. A lot of people are extremely funny in person, as funny as stand-up comics. What they don't have is whatever it is that's driving stand up. Well, they might have a few things. They're not comfortable on stage. They may not be charismatic, and they're not compelled to be in front of an audience getting laughs. This is something the comedians love. My father used to talk about it. They want to be on stage. They want to be the center of attention. It's not just about being funny. There's a need that they have for this, that the average funny person doesn't have. I can be funny. I don't have the urge to be on stage being funny. Matter of fact, I'm scared of that.

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  30. Well, that's a great question because this frustrates comics to no end and they won't talk about it. So for instance, I'm pretty funny. If I'm at the comedian table and I say something that's funny. A large number of comedians who will not laugh because it makes them uncomfortable to see a civilian be funny because

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  31. YouTube is just different, and I've never done it. I don't know that it's harder or easier, but I know that there are certain people who Just can fill a room And have, I'll give you an example like Chappelle, he has a talent. He can just talk for three hours. Doesn't have to be hitting punchlines. And people will just sit there and listen to him. It's hypnotic. He's magnetic. I can't account for that. It wouldn't work on YouTube. I don't think anybody's sitting and watching him on YouTube. And the only other person I know who has that is maybe like Howard Stern. Somehow he can just talk and talk and talk and people will listen. And it's just a different talent, I think.

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  32. Goes back to what we were talking about before. It's not as easy as it looks. When Twitter first started, there was a very famous Twitter, I can't remember his name now. He had a huge number of followings for that era. And he was funny. He was very funny on Twitter. And you know, crickets, just crickets. It's just not that easy. There's a timing. There's a charisma.

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  33. It's taking everybody's attention span on everything, right? Yeah, I would say it has been done that although, you know, our club has always been a showcase club as opposed to a headlining club. So we've always opted for shorter bits. I've always found it hard to sit through an hour of somebody's comedy unless it was, you know, a classic Richard Pryor thing like that. But I think you're right. I mean, I'm overthinking it. Yes, everybody's attention span is shorter and everything. And that's forced comedians. Well, you know what? Having said that, still the real kings like Louis CK and Chappelle and Chris Rock, they really still do take their time with their bits. They spin out long things and they're still on top. They really are, but they're the geniuses.

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  34. So it's given comedy a lifeline in a certain way. It's changed everything, not just comedy, but our business. I mean, like years ago, I had a music club. It was hugely successful, the cafe Huawei lines around the block to get in. It was a huge local New York thing. If we had had social media, I mean, the sky would have been the limit. So, I mean, we used to have to stamp postcards if we had an event. and send out 100. It was expensive. And now you can announce something to a billion people. So it's rippled through everything, including the ability of comedians to present themselves directly to the audience in a very meritocratic way. You can't argue so much with who rises to the top when people are forwarding things they find funny.

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  35. Well, it's changed. It came to the rescue in a certain way because just as wokeness put a cloud over everything, social media allowed some of the most successful comics working today to Distribute themselves directly to their audience and find their audience. And I think even this includes even Joe Rogan to some extent. And there's no gatekeepers anymore, people like Andrew Schultz, like Christefano and Tim Dillon.

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  36. No, well, you know, I travel in different circles, and you do a lot of comedians at the table, we'll tell jokes, and these guys are very good at telling them sometimes. So I enjoy jokes. My father told a million jokes. They were funny to me. So, but in your egghead circles, maybe not good joke tellers. I don't know.

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  37. That makes me think of is that at some point comedians started referring to their bits as jokes. And that happened gradually. And I remember waking up and realizing, well, that's not what a joke is. A joke is a setup and a punchline. The joke isn't one of your like descriptions that is a funny thing. And yet that's right. The kind of setup punchline of joke is rare. Old people do them sometimes, but it's what's considered jokes today are comedy bits and people don't tell each other comedy bits. I think you're right. Fewer and fewer people tell each other jokes.

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  38. Not funny shock value. I mean, at some point I've been expecting that somebody will channel Lenny Bruce and start defiantly using the N-word again or something like that to make a deep point. And at some point may get away with it. But no, usually things that are shocking now are trite and not that funny.

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  39. People pick up on very slight cues. An instinctual level kind of analogous to pheromones, I guess, that they can account for. They don't know they're doing it, probably affects who seems like a likable person, an unlikable, who you trust. I mean, there's a million different ways these things present themselves, but it's real. It's very real. And I would say some people are kind of oblivious to these clues. And they probably suffer for that during their lives as well.

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  40. Well, what's interesting is always that the entire audience, or most of the audience, at the same instant in time, seems to react the same way to know whether something is funny in a way that nobody can explain. And this will happen even if it's the same comedian telling the same joke four days in a row. I will find myself laughing harder at the same joke just was as the entire room is laughing harder, but I could go to the video and it's very difficult to pinpoint what he's doing differently. But there's something on a micro level that they do differently and everybody perceives it the same way at the same time. And that's the magic of it all. I don't know if that's a direct answer to your question, but that's what it makes me think of. I don't know how to explain that.

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  41. Yeah, the problem is that the kind of air conditioning systems that we have, you take what you can get, you know, in a very, very hot day, they underperform, and then the thermostat says, you know, they're slow. They don't keep things at a perfect temperature. So it hovers up and down around things. But we try to keep it cool

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  42. That's a great question. The originator of the comedy seller named Bill Grunfest, this was a very important issue for him. He felt that if it got warm, this had a serious effect on how the comedians went over. I think a little bit colder than comfortable is what is best. 70, maybe, something like that.

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