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Norm Ornstein

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“And let me just say perhaps finally that for a long time I just couldn't get back to engaging in trying to help our political institutions and our broader society. But I wanted to write this book. It's even worse, or One Nation After Trump, and enlisted EJ and Tom because we face an existential threat right now to our, I think, our very values and our institutions. And that's kept me going a little bit now too.”
2018-01-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 209 - Norm Ornstein · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And I decided I had to step up and I have gotten this outpouring and I continue to hear from people who say we're having the same set of issues. What can we do? And it brings people out. Every family has been touched in some way by this, and most don't want to talk about it. And if we can recognize that it's an illness like other illnesses, it just happens to be a brain illness. And we start to treat it in a different fashion. You know, part of our frustration is if you have somebody who's got Alzheimer's, then the family can say treat this person. They don't know what their condition is. If you have a younger person who has a mental illness, and you say treat this person, he doesn't know that he's ill you get nothing. And that's got to change, and we have to balance civil liberties with the way.”
2018-01-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 209 - Norm Ornstein · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So I wrote a piece in the New York Times several months after Matthew died, and it was the most painful thing I've done. But there was finally a piece of legislation that could possibly be beautiful.”
2018-01-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 209 - Norm Ornstein · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Around and change the way that police and judges and the mental health community and system deal with those who have these terrible illnesses and especially those who don't recognize the real.”
2018-01-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 209 - Norm Ornstein · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I'm hoping to get Michelle Obama to come to one of them. And it's just immensely gratifying. And the other is working in the space of serious mental illness, which my son would have hated because he didn't think there was such a thing. It's certainly not for him. But we want to see what we can do to keep other families from going through what we've gone through. And our big project now is to do a documentary about a remarkable judge in Miami-Dade, Florida named Steve Leifman, who's completely transformed the way this huge county, the seventh most populous in the country, with an enormous population of people with serious mental illness, the way the county deals with them, and he's managed to find ways to save lives and to save money at the same time, and to get a lot of people back on a track where they can lead happy and productive lives. And we want to spread that word.”
2018-01-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 209 - Norm Ornstein · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So we've funded for three years now a Matthew Ornstein summer debate institute for kids from the Washington area. We've had 250 kids come through, some of them now from sixth grade up through high school, some of them arrive they've never spoken in front of anybody before. By the time a week is up, they're up there vigorously debating, knowing something about a subject matter. It changes their lives. We're going to have a tournament at the end of the month. Now we have 60 schools involved in the area and they do these tournaments.”
2018-01-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 209 - Norm Ornstein · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Caused by his mental illness, and you know what happens when a family member goes through serious mental illness. You've suffered a grievous loss yourself, and I can tell you there's nothing like losing a child. And we have, it happened January 3rd, 2015, and we have struggled since and decided that we would try and pay it forward as a family. So we've created a foundation in his name, and we're working in two spaces, one very gratifying one that he would have loved, is urban debate. The National Urban Debate League started in Chicago. It's a vibrant thing. It tries to wonder.”
2018-01-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 209 - Norm Ornstein · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So my son Matthew was a brilliant person who was a national champion high school debater, went to Princeton, went to Hollywood and was doing well and at the age of 24, had a psychotic break. And then came a 10-year journey of struggle with mental illness, a part of which is what's called a nosignosia. It hits a very substantial number of people with serious mental illness, a part of the brain diseases you don't recognize you're ill. And if you're over eighteen in this country, there's nothing that parents or other loved ones or medical professionals can do if you won't accept any treatment. So he had enormous pain and difficulty. We as a family suffered immensely. And then at thirty four, he died accidentally of a carbon monoxide poisoning, but it was really driven by the lack of judgment.”
2018-01-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 209 - Norm Ornstein · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, and I think the other problem is, you know, we're now driven, as you know, by negative partisanship. It's not so much people are tied to their own party as that they hate the other side and believe they're the enemy. And that may mean that Republican turnout, which you would think would be depressed because such a disaster for them right now might be higher than it otherwise would be.”
2018-01-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 209 - Norm Ornstein · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think there is a very real opportunity for Democrats to have a wave election. I'm not sure it's going to be as big as the waves that Republicans were able to achieve.”
2018-01-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 209 - Norm Ornstein · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Be robust and important. We can improve registration systems and make it easier for people to vote. We can move to weekend voting, which would help, I think, a very substantially. We can change the campaign finance system to bring in more small donors. But the fact is at this point what we're going to need more than anything else is for a Republican party in the majority to suffer a couple of resounding defeats to realize that an unjustifies the mean strategy just doesn't work so much, then maybe we'll get some adjustment in the way our politics are done.”
2018-01-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 209 - Norm Ornstein · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“One thing that would help would be if Congress moved to a three weeks in Washington one week off every month, the three weeks nine to five Monday to Friday. You're going to get time for debate and deliberation instead of what is now Tuesday afternoon through Thursday noon. And if you say no fundraising calls during those 15 days of the month when you're in Washington, the other 15 do whatever you want, then you could have some impact on the process. We can improve the election system and the voting system. If we had our Druthers, the three of us, we would have the Australian system of mandatory attendance at the polls. You don't show up, you don't write an excuse, you pay a fine of roughly fifteen dollars. They get ninety percent turnout from what used to be fifty percent, much like ours. And that, I think, would be.”
2018-01-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 209 - Norm Ornstein · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So we have to start with an understanding that you can reform things, but if it's a cultural problem and a behavioral problem, the best you can do with reforms is to try and change the culture or the behavior a little bit. And there are certainly ways in which we can improve the system. We can reform the filibuster to some degree. We can change the schedule that Congress uses. We can, let's say just one thing.”
2018-01-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 209 - Norm Ornstein · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“We are seeing deviancy defined down, and I don't know when we're going to be able to bring back some of the norms of things. So talking about it,”
2018-01-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 209 - Norm Ornstein · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And Republicans abuse that in many cases. Withholding their blue slips for people that they had nominated or those that had been a consensus around simply so they could keep the slots available just in case they won the White House. But Leahy kept it, believing that if he kept it, they would have to keep it. And now Charles Grassley, the Republican chairman of the Judiciary Committee, has said, forget about it.”
2018-01-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 209 - Norm Ornstein · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So here's an example that would suggest to me that that won't work. Over the previous two years, the final two years of the Obama administration, against the pressure of many of his own colleagues, Pat Leahy, the Democratic chairman of the Judiciary Committee in the Senate, continued to employ the blue slip, this process that was basically just a norm that nominees for the district court and many cases for the Court of Appeals, that the two senators from the state home of the nominee could block a nomination unilaterally by not turning in a blue slip that would say move forward with it.”
2018-01-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 209 - Norm Ornstein · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And, you know, Daniel Patrick Moynihan wrote this seminal piece called Defining Deviancy Down. You normalize abnormal behavior. You normalize bad things. And there, I think is a fair amount of that that's going to go on. But there's also a dilemma that I think Democrats face. The question is, if you behave in a good fashion, then the next time around will they respond to that by saying, well, okay, we'll reform.”
2018-01-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 209 - Norm Ornstein · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And that was McConnell's approach, but we have to remember that every Republican in the Senate, including those like Oren Hatch, who had talked about how we need to have the regular order, who had praised Merrick Garland in the past, who had said, well, if you nominate somebody like that, of course we'll confirm him, went along with this unprecedented blockage. But go back before that where the filibuster was used in ways that it had never been used before by McConnell to stretch out debate using even nominations that were going to end up being confirmed unanimously or near unanimously. Bills in the same way, also he could use up the floor time and degrade the process. This is a misuse or abuse of norms that I've never seen before.”
2018-01-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 209 - Norm Ornstein · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, and I think what happened is they discovered that a strategy of delegitimizing the president and delegitimizing the policies could work, but if you could add in race, then you've got icing on the cake. And it could work in ways that I suppose you could argue go back in some respects to the Southern strategy of Nixon, but we're taken to a new level with Obama. But it was a party that also was, I think, degrading itself in other ways, the contempt for science, the willingness to bend and break the norms of the political arena were all things that we saw in twenty twelve when we wrote it's even worse than it looks, and when we revised it in two tinkered To its even worse than it was, and frankly what we saw was the harbinger.”
2018-01-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 209 - Norm Ornstein · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Running editorials suggesting he'd been an accessory to murder over a drug deal gone bad when he was governor of Arkansas. So the efforts.”
2018-01-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 209 - Norm Ornstein · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It was a significant part of it, let's face it. And the birther movement was an almost openly racist way of trying to delegitimize the president. But it wasn't just race. And again, go back to when Clinton became president. Remember the Wall Street Journal.”
2018-01-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 209 - Norm Ornstein · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And that was a change from what we'd had in the past. Now it began with Clinton and Gingrich, and it was the strategy that Newt used in the first two years of Clinton to win the majority that broke that 40-year stranglehold, but it was taken to a new level with Obama. And I've referred to McConnell as a ruthless pragmatist, but many of the others were much more radical in their ideology, and many of them believed what they heard about Obama.”
2018-01-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 209 - Norm Ornstein · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And we saw that from the moment Barack Obama became president, and we saw it with the fact that on inaugural eve the Republicans set their strategy of opposing in unison everything that he had proposed, delegitimizing him and delegitimizing all of that. And we were frustrated that the press corps basically took the tack that, oh, it was just as much his fault, he didn't schmooze with them enough, and he didn't reach out. And the Republican narrative, which was that they'd been steamrollered, simply didn't accord with the facts.”
2018-01-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 209 - Norm Ornstein · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And at that book, we blame both parties. Both had contributed, and Democrats in the House who had had a majority for forty consecutive years until nineteen ninety four had been arrogant and not a little bit corrupt themselves. But it got much worse with Gingrich and then Dennis Hastard. By twenty twelve when we wrote the next book and the piece that you mentioned was an excerpt from that, which we called It's Even Worse Than It Looks, it had become clear. And the dramatic changes had occurred on the Republican side.”
2018-01-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 209 - Norm Ornstein · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So Tom Ann and I did a book in 2006 called The Broken Branch, how Congress is Failing America and How to Get It Back On Track. And it was a lament. It was a lament that Congress had lost its way. We wanted something resembling what we call the Wonks call the regular order. Where you have an open process, debate, deliberation, you bring in the minority party, you also bring in rank and file members. There are all kinds of”
2018-01-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 209 - Norm Ornstein · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Do it in New York City on a six to one basis and it works. And I'm very interested to see what will happen with this experiment in Seattle where they did a referendum that brings in the so-called patriot dollars, which is that every citizen gets twenty five dollars in a voucher. They're not transferable, and you can use it for any candidate or party that you want. And that frees up small donations, and it means politicians will seek small donations and not just march to the step of billionaires. There are ways within the Constitution even as this conservative court has defined it to improve the system. But here too, it's not like one, you can't get rid of money in politics, and we shouldn't. And the idea that if we could only have these hundred dollar campaigns Contribution limits everything would be wonderful. But the degree of”
2018-01-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 209 - Norm Ornstein · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But let's face it, this is also a problem of the Federal Election Commission in which Mitch McConnell has made sure that three Republicans on a six-member commission. Voted against any enforcement and did what they could to blow up any sense that there were rules in place, and so even the boundaries that existed, everybody out there knows you can do anything that you want. I do think there are things that we can do and getting rid of much of the dark money through disclosure would help. But I'm also very much a fan of having a multiple matching fund for small contributions that can level the playing field.”
2018-01-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 209 - Norm Ornstein · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Campaign finance decision he wrote about. And then the McDonald decision that flowed from that basically allowed more corruption.”
2018-01-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 209 - Norm Ornstein · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It's another one of the side effects of an election where we have Neil Gorsuch instead of Merrick Garland, where we might see a very different regimen in place. Now, I would agree with you that we have loopholes everywhere. And it's not just Citizens United. Actually, many of the decisions that followed from that, the speech now decision by an appeals court that opened up the super PAC loophole, and the McCutcheon decision where Chief Justice Roberts basically said corruption, anything goes unless it's of the ABSCAM variety where you catch them on videotape.”
2018-01-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 209 - Norm Ornstein · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And we actually saw parties that had soft money that was supposed to go for party building that was just channeled right through into issue ads. And the local organization said atrophied, and we actually saw some buildup. Then along came John Robertson, Citizens United, and blew that up. And we're now seeing what kind of a system we have when there are no standards, when there are no moats keeping behavior in place, when big money and dark money rule.”
2018-01-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 209 - Norm Ornstein · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And away from those who are more ideologically extreme. And away from what could be a kind of chaotic process, and you could argue that what the Republicans had this last time reflected that chaos. And Democrats who may have 20 candidates in 2020 need to be very much aware of that. Now, on campaign finance reform, I wouldn't say quite the same thing. I don't think the reforms which I had a hand in helping to craft. So I have a bias, but they were very targeted and aimed at abuses. We had a brief period after the Supreme Court affirmed what was known as McCain Feingold, the bipartisan campaign reform act, where we actually saw a Democratic Party, for example, that had done nothing to build a base of small donors, now began to do just that.”
2018-01-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 209 - Norm Ornstein · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yes, and I think what we had was a set of reforms that went too far. And we're still dealing with some of the aftermath of that. I actually worry now that there's a push by the Bernie Sanders forces to move even further in that direction, because we have seen adjustments made along the way after that set of reforms of the McGovern Fraser Commission, a series of others. And we have to keep in mind that there's no panacea here and the structures don't automatically give you either great people or lousy people. The old party boss system gave us some great leaders and gave us some clunkers and some corrupt people. And the new system did pretty much the same thing with maybe a different mix and a different quality. But we've made adjustments back where you at least provide some role for those who've spent time in the party vineyards.”
2018-01-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 209 - Norm Ornstein · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“People who were simply henchmen for Connolly. And if he didn't have them all, they then had something called the unit rule, where if a majority of a delegation says they're going to take a particular position, the entire delegation has to. And it was not used for other right purposes.”
2018-01-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 209 - Norm Ornstein · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Of course it is, and I think you could make the case that the party reforms done in the aftermath really of the nineteen sixty eight debacle in Chicago, but also not just because of that. There were all these sea changes occurring generationally in the Democratic Party and in both parties, but that those reforms went too far. They took too much power away from those who had a strong stake in the party. In an attempt to move away from the legendary smoke filled rooms, and what was a fair amount of corruption in the process, I remember when John Connolly was a Democrat and manipulated the process in Texas so that the Texas delegation to the Democratic Party was basically filled with”
2018-01-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 209 - Norm Ornstein · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Al Gore had created raging moderate, not a particularly partisan figure, but I was not a conservative and never have been, and not a Republican and never have been. And they provided a home for me where through all this time I've been able to do what I want, write what I want, say what I want, set my own agenda, and there's an enormous amount of freedom, more freedom than I've seen in any university, I will say.”
2018-01-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 209 - Norm Ornstein · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“and said how about if we create a little entity called the Congress Project? Nobody tracks Congress as an institution, how it's changed, what impact it has on policy, how the elections go and the like. And they said, sure. And so I did it on a part-time basis. And then when I quit, I went there full-time. The place six months later almost went under because the then president had built an enormous amount of debt and they were ready to go into chapter 11 or its equivalent. And I thought now I've really done it, but I hung on. And I've been there ever since. I've actually been there longer than anybody else. And I was always a bit of an outlier. You know, my politics have been, well, I used to use the phrase that”
2018-01-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 209 - Norm Ornstein · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So this was a woman who was a political theorist and very good, and the department recommended her overwhelmingly for promotion and tenure. At the time, the standard was that was automatic that she would get it, and the university denied her, and we were stunned. And when I investigated, I realized that the chairman of the department had gone around everybody's backs and had done this in the most unfair fashion to screw her for all the wrong reasons, screw her over for all the wrong reasons. And I decided, even though I wasn't particularly close to her, but it offended me so much that I would become her advocate inside the university, they didn't handle it well, and I said, screw you and I quit.”
2018-01-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 209 - Norm Ornstein · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Another former X Finals guest. But Mitch, I think, would actually be a terrific candidate and a terrific president. The way he is brought together black and white in New Orleans.”
2018-01-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 209 - Norm Ornstein · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I know, but maybe we can draft him. And if not, Steve Kerr, I'd be okay with Steve Kerr. I've talked to him about that too.”
2018-01-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 209 - Norm Ornstein · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“National Security Advisor and Michael Robinson and I, Rona Freiburg, his wife had moved from Redino into the Carter White House, and when Tom was going to graduate, he asked whether he should just go to law school right away or do something else. We said, you should go out for a year or two, got him a job, kind of a menial one in the Carter White House. Within a year, he was the chief delegate conter. Tomorrow's a brilliant.”
2018-01-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 209 - Norm Ornstein · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Tom Donnellin was my best student from the first morning of the first day of his freshman year all the way through his four years.”
2018-01-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 209 - Norm Ornstein · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So I taught for 13 years or so, and I was a tenured full professor, and I had an enormous amount of freedom as these things go. I could teach what I wanted, when I wanted. I had some extraordinary students, by the way, that I can get to.”
2018-01-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 209 - Norm Ornstein · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“He saw that he had a different burden and that this was something very different than the country had experienced in his or our lifetimes. And he did an extraordinary job as a consequence. And I think history will judge him that way.”
2018-01-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 209 - Norm Ornstein · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“When I would talk about it, but I never gave any of the juicy details about his relationship with Speaker Tip O'Neill or the other Democrats or Republicans on the committee or the pressure he was getting or what he heard from the White House. I will say also it was interesting because you would not have seen Rodino before this as an extraordinary figure. He was an average member of Congress. One of these people who'd been part of a machine politics and had become chairman of the committee because he'd stuck around for a long time. Not an intellectual by any standard, and you wouldn't have said, you know, a political mastermind. But this was one of those cases, and people wrote about it in the aftermath, and it's also a little bit clich ⁇ d, but it's true. He rose to the occasion.”
2018-01-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 209 - Norm Ornstein · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I didn't share at all. I saw this as a kind of sacred thing. He is opening up to us and it wasn't my role to spread that to anybody. And it was tacit, but there was an understanding that this was all off the record. Now, you know, the larger context of what I was learning helped me.”
2018-01-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 209 - Norm Ornstein · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“To be in that position. So it was just a remarkable serendipity. But I saw this historic impeachment process, you know, from a vantage point that had its own blinders or biases. But Rodino didn't have anybody else he could talk to candidly about what was going on. And it was just like every night we'd pinch ourselves.”
2018-01-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 209 - Norm Ornstein · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And she had to be there with him all the way through the day, and then, you know, get him home and sometimes have dinner with him. And when the impeachment thing hit, the three of us were actually sharing a house together on the hill. And my friend, Michael Robinson and I would go down to the office in the evenings and we'd hang out. And throughout the house judiciary hearings, often at the end of the day, eight or nine o'clock at night, Redina would come out and say, let's go get a bite to eat and then go home. So I was able, and then he would debrief us on what was going on.”
2018-01-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 209 - Norm Ornstein · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The job that Ronna Freiburg had was to not just do his appointments, but to sort of be with him. He left his family in Newark where he was from. He had a little efficiency apartment in southwest Washington.”
2018-01-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 209 - Norm Ornstein · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So after I taught at Catholic University, I taught in Italy for a year before coming back. And my very best friend from graduate school had been teaching at the University of Oregon. I managed to get him a job teaching in my department. And his then wife, who had been getting a PhD in French literature at the University of Oregon, they came to Washington and we needed to find Rana a job. And I used some of my connections and friends and got her a job as the personal assistant to a largely unknown figure who had just taken over the chairmanship of the House Judiciary Committee named Peter Rodino. And soon thereafter he became a household word. But the job that...”
2018-01-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 209 - Norm Ornstein · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, certainly for many of them, the world thankfully has changed for a significant number you were kind of demeaning the profession if you did anything that was intelligible to any except the academic elite. And it was a waste of time. Fortunately, my colleagues in my department didn't feel that way, and I did enough academic work that it wasn't so much of a problem. One other anecdote here that sort of gets back to the Zellig business.”
2018-01-18 · The Axe Files with David Axelrod · Ep. 209 - Norm Ornstein · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source