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Paul Bloom

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“Well, for this book, I started to write a proposal on an idea and I just couldn't make it interesting enough. So because I worked by writing a proposal and sending it to my agent and so on, often if I could write a good proposal, then I know I have a good book. Not that the book's going to match a proposal in any interesting sense, but it means that the material is there. I guess another way of putting it is by the time I'm done with that, I know it'll be a good book or a good book for me if I couldn't live without writing it if nobody wanted it. I read it anyway.”
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“I'm thinking I want to write a new book, but I'm not exactly sure of the topic. I've been playing around different topics. I have something which I kind of like, but it's too early for me to talk about. But I really want to write a new book.”
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“closure on us, they ended the paragraph, they ended the chapter, and then it's hard to start up next time. That's right. This excellent advice.”
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“Not an approximate, I have a timer. I try, when my timer beeps, I could be midword. I'll stop and go on to next. And for me, A, I have very short, this keeps me from getting bored. And also by stopping midword or stopping wherever I'm stopping, when I go back to it, the energy is still there to want to continue. I highly recommend it to everybody.”
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“No, the one about lessons from social psychology from the Hebrew Bible was not an easy one. My oddest work habit is that I work on, not always, but often in six minute bursts. So I have a whiteboard right next to me. I'll work on a substack for six minutes, then a reference letter for six minutes, then I'll rush and fold my laundry for six minutes, and then I'll answer email for six minutes, go on social media for six minutes, and then do this for 10 more things and go back to the sub stack and repeat. And then three, four hours will go by. I don't recommend it for everybody.”
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“I still take money very seriously because we want to renovate our house, want to travel and stuff like that. But I've been very lucky to have deep connections with friends, my wife, with my children who are now adults. And I sometimes have to remind myself, you end up forgetting that this is what I ultimately want to maximize.”
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“Well, you know, our relationship is just beginning. Who knows? That's right. But I maximized different things than I did when I was younger. I try to maximize money less.”
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“That's an idea. Do you know what I like? God has so much patience for whiners in that there's so many scenes where God destroys people who, the slightest lack of faith with him when it comes to Moses pushing back. I don't want to do this, you know. God said, okay, let's compromise or about, he ends up negotiating over when he destroys the world in a flood, over how many people to leave behind. If you whine to God, as Job did, sometimes he listens.”
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“Pharaoh says fine, fine, fine. And then the Pharaoh bends, breaks, and says, Fine, you win. And then God fiddles with the Pharaoh's mind in this wonderful twist to say to make him refuse. And he says later, I wanted to show off my powers. We had gone this far. It's like, I don't know, it's the invasion of Iraq or something. There are lovely stories there.”
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“I think it's a great text in social psychology and personality psychology and even a little bit of cognitive psychology. It captures in a very stark way us, them biases that are present, that social psychology makes so much out of. It captures the idea of prejudice. It captures the idea of thinking about men and women, children and adults, in-group, out-group separately. I've been very interested, I've long been interested in the portrayal of God in the Hebrew. I was absolutely fascinating because people who haven't read it think, oh, you know, God, all-knowing, all loving and everything. But in fact, it's this wonderful character. And this goes beyond social psychology sort of talking about internal workings of the mind. I wrote in my sub stack about the Passover story where he sets the plagues loose in a pharaoh unless he lets the Jews go.”
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“And when faced with the death of somebody I love, there are other systems in the head that could lead to terrible grief. So we're not unitary beings. It's possible for, upon learning, my son as a terminal disease, for part of me to think, oh, he'll be reunited in God and heaven be paradise and feel good about it and feel horrible grief. And yes, they can flick with one another, but that doesn't mean this isn't the gate the existence of either one.”
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“Yeah, I think the answer is more. So some people say, and I have atheist friends, well, they're hypocrites. They don't really believe in heaven. If they really believed in heaven, they wouldn't cry. They would rejoice. And same thing when with their own death. I think there's belief and there's belief. I could have a very confident belief in heaven. Maybe I'm even 100% sure that I'll go to heaven when I die. But when faced with my own death, there are other systems that lead to tremendous fear.”
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“It's an incredible book. It was well written in a sharp. He talks about instinct. He talks about it. It is a very contemporary voice. He's a lyrical, beautiful writer, and it's full of insights. And maybe it's an embarrassment to psychology that you use it for an intro psych class and you would gain a lot.”
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“I have gone through my adult wife my whole life without ever reading principles of psychology by William James. And then a couple of friends of mine invited me on their podcast to talk about his chapter on habit. And I read it and it blew me away.”
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“Ah, underrated, stood the tests of time. And often when people complain about the replication crisis, they throw away all of psychology. But personality psychology has proven surprisingly robust. And I think there's a lot of sense and idea. I know you actually were somewhat critical of this in your book, Talons, the idea of the Big Five, but the idea that you could characterize somebody in terms of sort of five numbers determining their openness and their conscientiousness and so on. What do you think on that?”
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“Oh yes. Yes. It's like everything else, cell phones, smartphones and social media and I don't know, sex, alcohol, where if you're one individual within the community doing it, it's extremely difficult. It's much easier to be any sort of parent if everybody else around you is the same sort of parent.”
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“Amy Chua, who is a friend of mine who brought the idea in her battle hymn of a tiger mother. I think underrated. I tend to be a rather, I tend to be a rather permissive parent, but the thing about it is a lot of these tiger parents end up with kids who are not merely successful, but happy and love their parents. So it doesn't work for everybody, not for every kid nor for every parent. I could not fashion myself as a tiger dad, but I think we should take it more seriously.”
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“You could get very far, but the thing about the people we want to be around is we want them to be nice to us even when incentives aren't present. Oh yeah, hardly hardly rated at all these days? I think maybe just because of Jordan Peterson, who has been sort of promoting him, I often get people saying, why didn't you talk about Carl Young in your book? I would say I'll say underrated in that what little I know about him seems quite interesting. And I think maybe he's been so eclipsed by Freud that nobody gives his ideas any attention, certainly ideas about some of his ideas about a conscious, a worth study. So mildly underrated.”
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“Psychopath. And I don't know. I think there's a lot of alert to and a lot of drama. Many studies of psychopaths and sociopaths find that they're actually often below normal intelligence. They tend to be depressed. They're more likely to kill themselves. They kind of live lousy lives. They're not the sort of sexy conscience-free people we like to imagine. Suggesting that some degree that you and I, the non-sociopaths, are sensitive to this. And when we see a sociopath, we kind of run away.”
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“They are I think they're overrated. I think that there's a sort of sexiness to this. There was a woman who was profiled in New York Times recently who described herself as a sociopath.”
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“Not enough of a neuroscientist to say it's entirely dead maybe. And people have talked about mirror neurons and primates being involved in certain aspects of motor learning. And I'm not expert enough to say that that's all bogus, but was once hugely overrated in that this was the solution to everything, explained autism, explained language learning, explained empathy. And the whole feel, I think, crashed. And it's still overrated because some people don't know what crashed. Was an easy one”
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“Underrated, he is wrong in just about everything he said about kids. There's been studies finding that just about every claim he makes is mistaken and overridden. But he was a great scientist with a great encompassing theory. A lot of his theoretical foundations, particularly the notion that children are like scientists exploring the world, have stood the test of time. Also, he was a sweet guy. Unlike Freud, Biaggi was a genuinely decent guy. So I'd say he's underrated.”
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“It does. It does. Because in some way, going back to my point about as it brings us down to childhood, there's less of a power asymmetry. There's less of a case of an adult carefully grooming a childhood when she is of age, they can then have sex, and it would be okay. I have a visceral response to it. I'll give another argument, which is, again, trying not to be discussed space, which is that I think that there's a range of human relationships that are tremendously valuable. And sometimes they're better off without sex. I think it's, you know, the relationship, certain sex is great, connects to romance, connects sort of a great degree of intimate relationships. But some relationships are sex free, like relationship between most people and their adult children. And that's good”
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“I think that's right. I think that if that was my argument, say, make it this ratcheted up a bit and make it a relationship between a father and an adult daughter.”
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“I do think it's morally Although as adults, there's a strong supposition that they're free to do what they want. I think that the problem is that when they're not adults, the fact that later on they could have sex and worse, say, between, say, a stepfather and a stepdaughter or an uncle and a niece, the idea that sex is a possibility in the future when they're adults corrodes the relationship early on. Does that make sense? This is my utilitarian attempt to try to do a cost-benefit analysis for what you are going to accuse me of being, of having a discussed reaction.”
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“Yeah, I think that that's right, where we take some sort of pleasure from negative emotions, but like sadness and fear and disgust and even guilt, shame. But there's a lot of variation in which emotions people like. Some people like a good cry, some people like to scream, and the intensity of it, where I do like scary movies, but for me, it's like the Bubba Duke or something, or, you know, it follows the gory ones I can't bear to watch. I think there's different sources for our appetite for them. But one is it might reflect what's sometimes been called safe practice, where our minds are drawn to worst case scenarios as a way to practice encountering them. An analogy I like is that of a flight simulator, which you got a flight simulator, you would often program it for difficult situations to get you practiced into coping with them. You got them in real life.”
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“I think you'd cease to become a person. I mean, to become indifferent between the present and the future, indifferent between your child and the stranger, to not care about somebody's looks or intelligence or kindness would be, you could imagine an LLM program for that, but I think when we encountered LLM, we'd find it repellent.”
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“There's broader variance to politics as more intense, is a lot more interesting. I think the degree of sort of empathic pandering as well as the degree of everything else is more accelerated in the States. I think part of Canadian politics with parliament encourages more vibrant debate and discussion. Often that at a pretty high level that you don't see in the states.”
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“Empathy could easily be used as a tool for all sorts of things. And if we stop putting up with it, it would discourage it.”
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“Yeah, yeah. I think we should tax empathy through social disapproval. And here's what I'm thinking. A lot of American politicians say racist things and have racist policies, but almost always they cloak it. They dog whistle it, they cloak it. Maybe they aren't even aware of it themselves. Because if when somebody says something avowed, clearly racist people boo them. They suffer a huge social cost. I'd like to see the same thing with regard to overt displays of empathy. So I would like to see that, you know, when a politician comes up and says, I want to talk about a healthcare plan and says, I want to read you a letter I got from an eight-year-old who told me the story about her father. I want to audit the crowd to boo. And the shout, don't treat us like children.”
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“Maybe it's some degree of sort of theory of mind, which is you just ask people to introduce, how do you feel when somebody tells you how wonderful you are? I think that that will help them. It doesn't seem like a very difficult thing to pick up. So I don't know. It's a mystery.”
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“I do. I do. There's a flattery shortage in the world. And it's going back to kind of a criticism abundance sometimes, where I think people have a false theory of mind where they go to somebody and they say, you know, I read your stuff and I think it's really poorly thought out. Could be very helpful from a friend, not a good tactic when you're looking for a job.”
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“I tell the story in my sub stack of very famous senior video. I never met him before. It comes to my eyes. Oh my God, it is such a delight to meet you and talks all about my work extensively. And I fully knew even my ego was not. I fully knew he read up on me. But it still felt great. It still felt, I don't know. I feel maybe people are uncomfortable, flattering. Maybe there's an awkwardness when you're talking to somebody who is of a higher status than you and you want to go. Maybe it feels inappropriate to flatter. Like, who am I to tell this person their work is great?”
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“Oh Sorts of biases, and I'm almost leaning towards your book aside, jettisoning interview sometimes, getting rid of them, but all sorts of biases. They're biased by charm. They're biased by quickness. They're biased by flattery. And in fact, my advice, part of my advice to put it somewhat cynically, is for people on job interviews, know the person you're talking to, do their research because it's kind of flattering. Somebody who comes into my office and said, oh my God, it's such an honor to me. I read against empathy and it changed my life. I don't want it to sway me, but it's hard for it not to. Yeah, that's our weakness.”
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“Yeah, disagreeable as probably honesty. One of the tropes on social media I hate the most is when somebody says, you know, well, here I am and now I'm a professor and I want to say to somebody who was my advisor many years ago said I'd never make it. Well, you're a jerk and everybody laughs at the person who said they'd never make it. And to be honest with somebody, and in that case they were wrong. But even if you're right, people hate you. To be honest with somebody when they say to you, what do you think of my book? Do you think I'm suited for this job? Stuff like that can be doing them a huge service. Am I with the right person? Can be doing them a huge service and the reward you will get is hatred and resentment.”
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“I read your talent book and it was actually very, very useful to me because it taught me other ways, other things to look for. When it comes to choosing graduate students, for instance, I tend to rank intelligence very highly. And, you know, a good conversation with someone who's quicker than me and smarter on their feet and everything. I valued that very highly. It's only recently I started to try to also value things like, you know, productivity and work ethic and other things and a certain degree of creativity. But I would just, I go too much for smarts.”
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“Prestige bias. I'm a university professor. I may, you know, maybe I benefit from other forms of privilege being an older white man. I don't know. But I show all the markers of a smart guy.”
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“Maybe there's a trade off, which is the more knowledge you have, the less G you need to get to the same point where somebody with less knowledge would need a lot of G to get to that point.”
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“Either way, it's a humiliating answer, but I would imagine, particularly when I was at Yale, I think they overestimate it, people sometimes ask me questions about domains which I have no knowledge about, and they take me seriously about that. Isn't that an overestimation? What about you?”
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“Data are a little bit each year you're in school, your IQ goes a little bit up, and the skeptics will say, I think Brian Kaplan says, you get better at taking tests, you get better at sort of scholastic way of thinking. I do think, though, that education, period, does play a role in making you smarter. It gives you practice in dealing with abstractions, with hypotheticals, the sort of things that we often view as markers of intelligence.”
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“No, no I guess the experiments that test it aren't open to that kind of interpretation. It could often be like, you know, we give you two M&Ms and you just choose one at random. And then later when you rank the taste of the M&Ms, you'd say, oh, to one I picked is tastier than the one I didn't pick. Well, if we simply handed it to you, you wouldn't get that effect. So there's not much of a narrative to that. But I agree that when you get it more complicated in life, it could serve all sorts of other functions.”
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“Endowment effects I'm less sure that it's dissonance. There's alternative explanations. The favoring that which you chose is kind of a textbook example of distance. That's dissonance, if anything is.”
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“Wipe done some research suggesting that they might of a sort. The cognitive dissonance, sort of cognitive dissonance we were interested in, is that when you choose something, that makes, you'd say out of a choice of two things, that makes you like it more and makes you like the things that you didn't choose less. And some work with Lori Santos, who had a thriving monkey lab, we found a capuchins did the same thing. We also found three-year-olds did the same thing.”
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“My dad is great when we watch DVD as a kid. And of course, the TV was very different and much more predictable, but a character would be about to say something, and then he would say it. He would say it simultaneously with the character. My wife does this too.”
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“I think what you'd have to do, and you could do this on the fly, or you could work it out, would be develop a, well, okay, here's a good test. Read it half of a good novel and then ask what's going on here? What's going to happen next? Show it half of a TV episode. And when we do these things, our theory of mine is fully operational. We say that detective is going to get his revenge because he will not take that sort of stuff. And she's going to leave him the first moment she has a chance. And I think that shows theory of mind at work. And if you do it in that way, you can't cheat. If it's a novel or a novel episode, then it would have to do it on the fly.”
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“I'm using theory of mind, a word like theory of mind, meaning the manifestation as if it did. Does it really think that other people have mindsets? Does it have a model of people's psychology when it says I understand exactly what you're feeling? Does it sort of call back its own experiences? I doubt it. So maybe in some way you're asking an even easier question, which is what will show that it has consciousness?”
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“I think conversation. I think a sustained conversation. So, you know, there are technical tests like the false belief task or reading the mind and eyes task. But those are easily gained. Those are LLMs will succeed on them because they've seen thousands and thousands of instances on them. I think in conversation, if a lack of theory of mind quickly reveals itself. So success at solving a sort of Turing test is successive theory of mind.”
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“I think you need a certain flexibility, a certain degree of patience, and you need to develop a theory of mind with LLMs that is different from the theory of mind you need for people. So I was recently asked Claude, who I know it a lot. And I asked it, I said, there's a phenomenon in children I found. Is the same phenomena show up in adults? And I said, and I plainly framed the question that I wanted answered to be yes. And I said, yes, there is. Here are three papers that show it decisively. None of the papers were real. It hallucinated it because it's what I wanted. And then I went back and I said, look, I'll lose my job if you give me papers that are false, that are made up. You've got to be accurate. I'm in big trouble than it did much better. So you got to gain them to some extent in a very different way than you'd game a person. And that capacity is something which I think is a”
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“If you include biphery, somebody just regularly talking to LLM about their problems and getting some advice and everything, I think that human interaction within not too many years will be the minority of interactions. I think people will be very drawn to AI therapists. There's some evidence that we have a prejudice against AIs. There was a paper recently that gave the same sort of response, exact same response to two groups of people, told one of them it's a person, the other one it's an AI. The people told it was an AI. Said, oh, that wasn't very empathic. That wasn't very understanding. But my feeling is this prejudice will fade over time and that it's mostly people more our age than people who are, you know, 18 or 20.”
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“There's been experiments which have pitted them against people in short term interactions. Like you talk about your troubles. And then you get a person like me to give a response. Then you get GPT-4 to respond. And over and over and over again, people rate the AI response as more empathic, more understanding. Now, I think that this is impressive. I think what we have yet to see is whether they could have a long, sustained conversation holding in memory over multiple sessions. You know, part of me being a good therapist and actually just being a good friend is I remember what you're worried about. I could go back to it. I could talk about it and so on. And I don't think they're at that stage yet. I don't see any reason why they can't get there.”
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