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Paul Davison

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“Voice. Someone was saying to us the other day it's the first thing you hear when you come out of the womb is someone's voice, right? It's how you deepen friendships. It's how you learn. It's how you establish new relationships. You think about politicians talking to their constituents and musicians, putting their phone on the kitchen countertop at 9.30 on a Thursday and just singing for 15 minutes and you can feel like you're with them in their kitchen listening to their dog bark. And people talking about the games and the markets and scientists and academics sharing research and people learning new languages. And the thing that I get most excited about is the idea that no matter where you live, no matter what your economic situation is, no matter what small town you're in or who you have access to, you can open up the phone.”
2021-05-06 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Live Episode! Clubhouse: Paul Davison and Rohan Seth · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“He had hoped it could be. You never expect it to work. You go back to all the times you've tried to build stuff and the years and years you spent working on things. And they generally just don't work. And the way we look at it right now, we don't know what the future holds. But when we think about the potential, boy, that's like asking, what can you do with voice? There's a lot you can do with voice. What can you do with text? What can you do with video? You talked about the good things and the bad things.”
2021-05-06 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Live Episode! Clubhouse: Paul Davison and Rohan Seth · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Like I was saying before, you do feel like you get better at pattern matching and avoiding the mistakes that you've made before. And I feel really grateful that I get to work with Rohan and with our team to be able to work with people that make you better and can push back on bad ideas that you have. So I do feel like we've gotten better over the past 10, 15 plus years of being in the bad and cage working on these things. But there's so much luck and there's so much timing. And we, like the thing that you said, guy, we have so much more work to do and so many more things to figure out. And we don't, that's not lost on us for a second. And we're just grateful we got to give it a swing. I would say like when we set out to build clubhouse. We were, you were asking about this earlier, Guy. I think in a lot of ways for me, this is what.”
2021-05-06 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Live Episode! Clubhouse: Paul Davison and Rohan Seth · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think there's a whole lot of luck and a huge amount of luck and a huge amount of timing and a huge amount of, I mean, just those two things, I guess. The one thing I would say that is heartening is that”
2021-05-06 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Live Episode! Clubhouse: Paul Davison and Rohan Seth · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think that audio Audio's a durable medium. Like I was saying before, it's relatively new in the world of social networking, but it is the oldest medium. We've been gathering with other people and talking since the beginning of civilization. I think it's the foundation of civilization. And this idea that you could open your phone and be sitting in a room with five or ten interesting people that you can learn from and you can laugh and pass along knowledge and be educated and make friends and close the app at the end of the session feeling better than you did when you've opened it. That's, I think that that is durable. And I believe that many other networks will incorporate audio into their experiences. something that we're really proud of.”
2021-05-06 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Live Episode! Clubhouse: Paul Davison and Rohan Seth · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I don't think about it in that way. I think that highlight received a lot of media attention, but the product, the community, the metrics were very different from what we see with Clubhouse. And I think that I've got a lot of humility and a lot of gratitude from having built a lot of products that don't work. And I think Rohan and I both have approached things differently this time around. And we've tried to focus on the things that we think matter. We try to ruthlessly prioritize the features and move really quickly and not be fooled into thinking something's working when it's not. And we don't talk about funding because we don't think that's an important milestone.”
2021-05-06 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Live Episode! Clubhouse: Paul Davison and Rohan Seth · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Have the same background as us, and we work in places where that's true also, you don't often get a chance in the real world to be in a room with people that have lived a totally different life from you. And that's a core part of our mission. So we don't, we want to allow liberals and conservatives and people with all different opinions to find a home here. And we think that's really important.”
2021-05-06 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Live Episode! Clubhouse: Paul Davison and Rohan Seth · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“We have clear user guidelines against any form of racism, anti-Semitism, hate speech, abuse, bullying. When you're building a product for the whole world, you have to know that there are bad actors in the world. And so you have to do your best to build a product that is durable to those forms of abuse. And you're never going to catch everyone, but you have to always make it a priority. That's the most important thing. And a core part of our mission is to create a space where people with different opinions, with different lived experiences, with different views on the world can come together and have conversations that are important and that can be difficult. And they can sit in a room with someone and hear them talk for hours and challenge them and leave that room changed with, if nothing else, an appreciation, a better appreciation for where that person comes from. I think there's not enough of that in the world. And I think because of the fact that we often live in places with people that look a lot like us,”
2021-05-06 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Live Episode! Clubhouse: Paul Davison and Rohan Seth · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“The intonation and an inflection and fidelity and tone and bids and asks, but you don't have any of the anxiety of video. You don't have to worry about what you look like or how messy your house is. So people lie down on their couches, on their beds, and they stare at the ceiling and they just talk for hours and hours and hours”
2021-05-06 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Live Episode! Clubhouse: Paul Davison and Rohan Seth · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, yeah. We decided early on that if you can keep the creator in control and give her the ability to decide who is in the room and who is on stage and to make those decisions, then it's a much better experience in the end for everyone. And so we tried to design the network structure with that philosophy in mind. So when you start a room, no one can join unless you let them. No one can come up on stage unless you choose to let them come on stage. We've also tried to do a lot of other things with the product to make you feel like you can have an authentic conversation. So that's why there aren't any hearts flying in the air and you don't have like an applause meter that you have to monitor every time you say everything. We designed it to be hands-free as a speaker and as a consumer so that you can just multitask, you can have all this found time. You can relax when you're speaking. And that's really powerful. Like with audio, you have all of”
2021-05-06 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Live Episode! Clubhouse: Paul Davison and Rohan Seth · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“One thing that we notice is that people kept coming back, and we've been doing this stuff long enough to know that doesn't usually happen. But there was something about it that was resonating with people. And it was really the other people on the app, like, you know, eventually we had some people ask us about investing and we just sort of said, wow, thanks so much. We don't need money right now because we had raised a small seed round earlier in the year, but we'll let you know if we decide to raise money. And internally, we just sort of said, well, if it continues to work, then we should still be able to raise money. If we get new data that makes us think it's not going to work, which is the most likely outcome, then we don't want to have a bunch of money. And we're not capital constrained because just two of us. So let's just stay heads down and keep building. And so that's what we did for a long time until we felt that we needed to raise money and then we raised some money.”
2021-05-06 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Live Episode! Clubhouse: Paul Davison and Rohan Seth · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“No, I don't think so. I mean, we're hugely grateful that anyone would want to use this product or invest in the product. But it goes back to what I was saying before. We just wanted to stay focused on the product and the community. So over the first few months after we launched,”
2021-05-06 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Live Episode! Clubhouse: Paul Davison and Rohan Seth · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You know, the whole notion that it was an exclusive space was never something that we had intended. Really, for the first four or five months of the company, it was just the two of us. And we were on the app 12, 14 hours a day just talking with people while we were building it, getting feedback. And we didn't have a website. We weren't in the app store. We didn't have any social media accounts. We weren't doing press or anything like that. And it wasn't because we wanted to be secretive or build anything exclusive. It was just because you don't expect products to work. And we didn't want to go try and generate hype because this thing probably wasn't going to work. We just wanted to stay focused on the product and on the community. And I would say, you know, we started to hear from people that it was some secret exclusive thing that was never our intention. We always wanted to build it for everyone and to open it up as fast as we can. We just wanted.”
2021-05-06 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Live Episode! Clubhouse: Paul Davison and Rohan Seth · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It looks like you're trying to use Clubhouse. How may I help you? And half the time they would just leave because they didn't know who this guy was. But the other half of the time they would stay and someone else would join and someone else would join.”
2021-05-06 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Live Episode! Clubhouse: Paul Davison and Rohan Seth · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And I think we got better at saying, okay, this doesn't work. We don't believe that this is durable. And so we shut it down. And we moved the pieces around, ended up launching the first version of Clubhouse in March of last year. And the very first version of the app, the whole app was a single room. There was no follow graph. Everyone followed everyone. There was no concept of an audience. Everyone was a speaker. And we had a Slack integration set up. So anytime a new person would join, Rohana and I would be on the phone working. And then I would just hear like the little notification and I would hang up say, I gotta go, gotta go. Someone's joining. Someone's joining. And I jump into the room.”
2021-05-06 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Live Episode! Clubhouse: Paul Davison and Rohan Seth · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“You know, as can be, so it's, I agree with everything that you're saying. And, you know, we're learning a lot about the medium through building this”
2021-05-06 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Live Episode! Clubhouse: Paul Davison and Rohan Seth · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It's tough. And one thing I've come, I think we've come to appreciate through building this product is when you listen to a conversation, it's a different set of things that you're optimizing for. Like when I listen to a podcast, I'm optimizing for insights per minute and I want well-produced, short, punchy podcasts where I'm learning a lot if I miss 10 seconds of it, I'll rewind and make sure that I heard it. But when I'm in Clubhouse, it's a different feeling. I'm optimizing for a different thing. It's almost like being in a room with friends or getting to listen in on other conversations. There's something comforting and human about it. And it's more about that connection rather than just getting content. That's as high quality.”
2021-05-06 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Live Episode! Clubhouse: Paul Davison and Rohan Seth · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Forget that the foundation of terrestrial radio is the fact that these conversations can be live or near live and interactive. You think about the most popular formats on terrestrial radio. You have live sports, breaking news, listener calling shows, morning and evening commute shows where you talk about the events of the day. And because podcasts have this delay between when you record them and when people can listen to them, you can't do any of that. And so we kept coming back to that and saying, oh man, how do you fix that? And after talking about it a lot and thinking about all these different incarnations, we eventually said, Damn it, we have to build a social app again Well.”
2021-05-06 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Live Episode! Clubhouse: Paul Davison and Rohan Seth · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It's like you shouldn't have to know what RSS is in order to talk. And then you put it out there. And oftentimes you don't know how many subscribers you have. People comment on it and you can't even respond as the creator because those comments live across 10 or 20 different apps. You don't know how well you're doing. It's hard to monetize. It's really difficult. And on top of that,”
2021-05-06 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Live Episode! Clubhouse: Paul Davison and Rohan Seth · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Guy, right? Given the constraints of the RSS based ecosystem, like for most people, it's really, really hard. Like if you think about it, for most mediums that have emerged, you can just pick a username and press a button and create content, right? For text, you have Twitter, for photos, you have Instagram, for video, you had YouTube, not TikTok. And they have things like hashtags and app mentions to help you get distribution. And it just works. But for spoken audio, think about how it works. First off, you have to say to everyone, hey, I'm going to start a podcast and you have to give it a name that's different from your own and commit to doing it at this regular cadence. And then you have to, you know, reach out to friends and ask them to be a guest on your podcast, which doesn't have any distribution. And then you have to schedule time with them, which takes another week or two. And then you have to learn about microphones and studios. And then you'd record it. Then you have to do post-production, have intro music and cover art. And then you set up RSS feed.”
2021-05-06 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Live Episode! Clubhouse: Paul Davison and Rohan Seth · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And I decided to give audiobooks a try, and it was amazing. You could speed them up. You could listen why you were running or driving or in bed at night. And suddenly I started reading all these books again. And then I got into podcasts and that was great too. And I kind of never looked back. I went all audio all the time. But I had always found it a little frustrating that it was so hard to find good spoken audio content because there's no reason it should be. There's no reason it should be. Like if you're a smart person, informed person, a funny person, you have domain expertise, you can just talk. And people would love to listen to you. I'm sure you've had the experience where you've caught up with a friend for coffee and left feeling really energized because it was a great conversation and you learned a ton. It's not hard to create good spoken audio content. The challenge is that it's hard to produce it and to distribute it. As I'm sure you know.”
2021-05-06 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Live Episode! Clubhouse: Paul Davison and Rohan Seth · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, so my interest in audio was it was more on the personal side, like I think when I was working on Highlight, I remember I had this realization one day that I'd stopped reading books and that made me sad because I love reading books, but I was just working all the time. And if anything, I was skimming headlines.”
2021-05-06 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Live Episode! Clubhouse: Paul Davison and Rohan Seth · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“We were looking like Roham was saying we were looking at education and marketplaces and productivity, all products that we wanted to have exist in the world. Nothing is high beta and unpredictable as straight up consumer social because it's just uh At the time when we were talking about doing it, I was 40 and I had three kids. I shouldn't be building a social app, right? That's not a smart thing to do.”
2021-05-06 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Live Episode! Clubhouse: Paul Davison and Rohan Seth · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I am a pretengineer I haven't coded since college. But yes, the way we ended up collaborating is that we'd work together a lot on the product side of things. And then Rohan was doing all the engineering and I was doing all of the pixels and screens. So it was a pretty good.”
2021-05-06 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Live Episode! Clubhouse: Paul Davison and Rohan Seth · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I have three kids myself, and I just think it's really inspiring what Rohan did. He doesn't talk about it much, right? But I mean, really, he spoke with hundreds of people. And I mean. You can just see from like a father to a father just the love that he has for his kid. And he figured out that there was a way to make a cure for her. And he said, I'm going to go figure out how to do this and figure out how to fund it and raise money for it. And I mean, I was his friend. But I was also like hugely inspired by what he was doing. I don't think I did that much for it, but I was really grateful that I could. And help him think through it a little bit.”
2021-05-06 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Live Episode! Clubhouse: Paul Davison and Rohan Seth · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, now far from it. No, you try and do right by your investors and your team as much as you can, but it's certainly nothing in that camp.”
2021-05-06 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Live Episode! Clubhouse: Paul Davison and Rohan Seth · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It was really hard for me. It was, I mean, I was so emotionally attached to it. And it was such a part of my identity. And it's really hard to give up on it. And so I think when we decided to work on other apps, there wasn't a single point where we just sort of said this isn't working, but it was a lot of conversations between my co-founder and me. We then spent another couple years just really working on other products that were related tangentially, but different products and ended up selling the company and what was basically a talent acquisition in 2016.”
2021-05-06 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Live Episode! Clubhouse: Paul Davison and Rohan Seth · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That's the last thing I want. We always approach it in a very opt in way. And it was only the people who wanted to use the app that would have any information shared with anyone. But I think that I think it's very hard to know exactly what information to share with exactly which people and exactly which contexts.”
2021-05-06 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Live Episode! Clubhouse: Paul Davison and Rohan Seth · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think there are a number of reasons. I think there are technical challenges back then, battery life was a big one. I think if you use the app for a full day, it ate two-thirds of your battery life. I think the location infrastructure, I think, was still pretty nascent back then. And the company was just two of us. It was my co-founder, Ben and me. So I think there are technical challenges, but I also think there are social challenges, right? Like I remember talking with a friend of mine about this idea that you could be standing in line at Starbucks and the person next to you could know your name. And you could see the common connections you had. You could see if you both went to the same school or if they were from your hometown or they knew your sibling. And she was saying.”
2021-05-06 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Live Episode! Clubhouse: Paul Davison and Rohan Seth · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, I think that's right. I think that's right. And I think you come to, you learn a lot as you build, right? And you come to appreciate the nuances and the hard parts. I still believe that it's crazy that we walk around and don't know anything about the people around us and that you run into an old friend and you forget their name and there's literally no way for you to get that data. And so you just avoid eye contact and pretend you didn't see them. I do think that our grandchildren will think it's crazy that that's the way the world used to work. Just like we can't imagine a world without the internet and without instant access to information and phones. And so I still believe that. But yeah, I think the timeframes and the exact ways that you get there are hard to predict sometimes. 100%.”
2021-05-06 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Live Episode! Clubhouse: Paul Davison and Rohan Seth · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“that product or I net my girlfriend on that or they come up and they tell you stories about all these amazing moments that it created. I love that. I love it. It's so satisfying for me. I think the potential of social products and communication products is so large, right? They can impact our relationships and they can impact society in such a big way, but they're really hard. And there's a lot of luck and there's a lot of timing. And honestly, they're not rational things to work on because they almost always fail. And highlight certainly didn't get the escape velocity that we were hoping for.”
2021-05-06 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Live Episode! Clubhouse: Paul Davison and Rohan Seth · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“No, I mean, I would say far from it, but it was a really exciting time. It was the first time I had ever started a company. And when you encounter your problem, People come up to you and you're talking with people and they ask what you work on and you tell them and they say, oh,”
2021-05-06 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Live Episode! Clubhouse: Paul Davison and Rohan Seth · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, that was in the early days of it. We got a lot of attention at south by southwest that year. That's right. That was during the era where every year at south by southwest, people like talking about what was the app everyone's using this year and what was the big breakout.”
2021-05-06 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Live Episode! Clubhouse: Paul Davison and Rohan Seth · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I've always really enjoyed working on because I think if you can do, if you can help people do a better job of that, I don't know, so much good comes with that, right? I mean, people are everything. They're the foundation of everything we do. And so it was just a problem space that I was really excited about.”
2021-05-06 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Live Episode! Clubhouse: Paul Davison and Rohan Seth · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Concept, and it was all opt in, so it only worked with other people who also had chosen to install the app and wanted to be part of it. But as you were walking around town, it would occasionally buzz and say, your friends in that cafe right there, or that guy over there knows your brother, or that person's from your hometown. And it was mind-blowing. Like, I know I'm biased, but it was so much fun to work on. Like, it was the type of thing where you just work on it till you fall asleep every night and then you dream about it every night. And it's the only thing that you want to be doing. People used it for knowing when friends are around, for dating, for professional networking, for recruiting. It was before Tinder, too. So there weren't really social norms around that. And the last thing I'd say is I didn't realize I had never put two and two together and realized how thematically similar highlight and clubhouse were until someone pointed out to me on the app here some months ago. But they're both about connecting people, right? And that's something that I...”
2021-05-06 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Live Episode! Clubhouse: Paul Davison and Rohan Seth · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That I kept going back to a lot, right? This notion that the people in our lives, the people we become friends with, the people we marry, the people we do things with, the people we start companies with, they're the most important thing in the world. I mean, nothing affects our lives and our happiness more than the people around us, but the way that we learn about people and the way that we bring new people into our lives is just incredibly random and inefficient. And so I ended up working on highlighting that spirit, but I'd also looked at New ways to think about dating services or friend matching services or other related products.”
2021-05-06 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Live Episode! Clubhouse: Paul Davison and Rohan Seth · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Oh man, I probably had hundreds of different ideas, and they were probably mostly bad ones. You know, I think a lot of them were looking at consumer products that I wanted to see exist in the world. You know, pain points that you have every day, things like I remember I was looking at receipts for a while. Like it's pretty crazy that you go and buy something and they give you a slice of a tree. And 99% of the time, you don't want it. And the times when you do need it, you can't find it. And it's just, it's a really bad system. And that was a problem that I wanted to solve as a consumer. Or another one that I wanted to solve was classifieds and Craigslist. You looked at what was happening there. It was such a valuable business, but the interface was so lacking and you had new pieces of infrastructure like Facebook and location services and other things emerging. And then there were problems that I wanted to solve in the world. Like, you know, people was a”
2021-05-06 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Live Episode! Clubhouse: Paul Davison and Rohan Seth · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It's you're constantly being inspired by people doing things like that. And you know what I how the culture really encouraged that. I actually interned at Google when I was in school and had a great experience there, really, you know, interesting company, smart people. And I decided not to go back there full-time because I wanted to go do something earlier stage. And I remember talking to my classmates about it or to my professors. And without a single exception, every single one of them, their response was, that's awesome. Congratulations. They all felt Google's a wonderful company, but the spirit really encouraged you to build and to start things. And maybe it romanticized it or over glorified it. But for someone who's interested in that stuff naturally, it's just, it's really inspiring to be surrounded by people who are taking a swing and trying and trying and trying even if they're getting knocked down every time.”
2021-05-06 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Live Episode! Clubhouse: Paul Davison and Rohan Seth · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Oh, yeah, all the time. I mean, and it's funny, I remember Brian Spailey, who's Andy Dunn's co-founder, they were both classmates of mine. And I remember one day in class, Spailey was coming up and he was looking at my pants from all different angles. And I said, may I help you? And he said, I'm thinking of starting a pants company. And I wanted to ask you some questions about your pants. And I remember him selling the first pairs out of the trunk of his car and trying to convince Dunn to come in and start it with him. And, you know, another classmate of mine was working at Facebook at the time, and she was trying to decide whether to drop out of school. And we were thinking, I remember talking about it and saying, well, MySpace is a lot bigger, but Facebook is growing a lot faster. And then another friend of ours joined Facebook in 2006. And we said, oh, that's cool that he joined Facebook. Too bad he didn't join really early. And I mean.”
2021-05-06 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Live Episode! Clubhouse: Paul Davison and Rohan Seth · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It can be really great. I got a lot out of it and really enjoyed it. But you never know what would have happened if you had taken a different path, but I really enjoyed my time there.”
2021-05-06 · How I Built This with Guy Raz · Live Episode! Clubhouse: Paul Davison and Rohan Seth · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“And honestly, it's probably generous to claim that I knew what I was doing. I was just really interested in getting involved in the startup world. And so I like the idea of going back to Stanford and just immersing myself in that. So it was a great experience. I went back to school there and spent most of my time just working on independent research projects, working with local startups and entrepreneurs doing small group dinners and faculty lunches and thinking about startup ideas. And business school, I think, is kind of what you make of it. For me, personally, I really wanted to spend my time getting really involved in the startup world. It was great for that. I mean, I think Silicon Valley, it's still a special place and it was a special place back then where there are so many interesting projects being built. And if you have some free time to explore.”
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