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  1. Not chain smoking anymore. I did a Spanish-language horror shell for HBO called Thirty Coins that was really great, and I'm probably going to do another season of that at some point, but that's it.

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  2. You have to say you love them right now. Yeah, I mean, yes. I don't really know how I feel about it. It's all just a shitstorm of emotion going through this stuff. I don't know. In one second, it's the greatest thing ever. In the second next second, you're just, you don't even want to think about it. So, I mean, I don't know. It's fun. You know, I'm finding the fun in it. You know, I'm old enough now that this is fun. And the parties. Yeah. And it's like, you know, and I get to just, it's not like it's work. I get to talk to you. I get to talk to people like this. It's nice. So it's like it's a good time. The award itself, who knows? I have no control over it, and we'll see what happens. And your next role?

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  3. Oh, yeah, that sounds great. Right up your alley. Yes, that sounds fantastic, and that kind of thing. Boom, I'm air. I'm there.

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  4. Yeah, I mean, I'm a big, like I just said, I'm a big genre fan. And there's a nice sort of, you know, moment going on for horror movies and things like that gets me in the theater. I like to go see a really good, although I saw this on streaming. I'm saying that now and I saw this movie Barbarian, which was really good. But I'll go and see a horror movie. I enjoyed. I'm a big genre guy. I enjoyed Godzilla minus one, the Japanese Godzilla movie that just came out. I think there's a lot of really good genre stuff getting made, and that always gets me into it.

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  5. That freaks me out. Yeah, I'll tell you one thing that has shifted, and this may be getting too granular and too into the weeds, but the whole way that actors audition now has changed radically. And I don't think it's going to change back. And none of that was solved by the strike, which is that they all have to film themselves now and send their auditions in. And this idea of going in and face-to-face auditioning for things has kind of gone. And I think it's actually a bad thing. I'm going to say it right here and now. And for actors who know what I'm talking about, it's like, it's not a good thing and that concerns me.

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  6. Ha ha ha. Would anybody want to license my likeness? What are they going to use me for? I mean, but maybe no, I don't think I would. No. Maybe if I'm very old and they want my likeness from the past or something, maybe to retire on.

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  7. I was not working. I had just finished. I mean, but I watched a lot of my friends suffer quite a bit. I mean, I think that, you know, they secured the rightful payment is going to happen now for people. The AI thing is actually a thing that freaks me out. I don't know what's going to happen with that.

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  8. Yeah. No, I think it will. I mean, people worry about it, and there's often been for years, but I've been hearing this now for 30 years. It's over and then nobody's going to make movies like this. And yet they do keep making them. And actually, there's a nice slate of them right now. Yeah, sure is, American fiction. For awards, you know, and it's like, so I don't think that I don't feel as worried and doom and gloomy about it. I do think maybe not a lot of them will get made, but I don't think they're ever going to go away or anything like that. I don't think we're all going to get buried under superhero stuff, which also, it seems to be waning a bit itself. Waning itself. Right. That's true. So it's like, so who knows what's going to happen? But I do think these things always will. They do always seem to get made. So, you know.

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  9. And so you're saying, sort of, is there room for original content and stuff like that? And will there be original content?

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  10. I'm not an authentic because I do believe I'm not a materialist. I'm not a strict materialist, so I can't say I'm an atheist.

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  11. Whatever. I mean, not really. I mean, if that happens, that would be great. I mean, really, honestly, my friend and I, Steve and I just, we have a good time doing it. And, you know, there's a, it's gathering an audience, whatever, sure. If that were to happen, that would be splendid. But if it doesn't, that's also fine. I'm just enjoying myself.

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  12. We've done a little bit of talking around that. We've talked to Pat Oswald too about the Mandela effect, which is this sort of mass delusion that people will have. It's based in the notion that when Nelson Mandela died, many people thought he'd already died. And there was a whole kind of internet phenomenon about that. But that all leads into the living in a simulation thing, that there's a glitch in the simulation and you forget something and everybody has a mass. Misremembering of something.

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  13. We talk to one woman who works for Mufon, which is this sort of UFO network that collects stories, and she's more of a strict believer. We're going to be talking to a woman named Leslie Kane, who is a really great, she's a journalist and a writer who's written a lot of stuff about all kinds of interesting topics. But we're going to talk to her about what's going on now. With all the strangeness of it now, because it's very weird. I don't understand what's going on. It's strange. Well, they might have been.

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  14. It turns out that a lot of people have a good time because they're not talking about the thing they usually have to talk about. Right. And so that's my, but then we'll get somebody on. We got a woman on named Deirdre Barrett, who's a sleep and dream expert from Harvard. Let's talk about dreaming and dream science and stuff. And we talk to a guy named Matthew Johnson about psychedelics and stuff like that. So it's kind of But yeah, so it's kind of whatever interests us.

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  15. Yeah, and he, because I thought his is a fellow who was fascinated with the past. And he was great. And he was game for it too. Right. Right, because it's probably different.

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  16. What do they think about cults? We talk to Catherine Hahn about cults because I knew she'd be interested in that. And things like that.

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  17. Function of imagination and things like that. He has a weird interest in cryptozoology, which means Bigfoot. I've had a lifelong interest in strange things like this. What we end up talking about a lot and what the baseline idea often is, is why do people believe the things they believe is actually a lot of the time? How does the imagination function in people's lives and in consciousness? It often ends up being what we talk about. But it's also just fun. And we have a good time and we bring people on. I thought it'd be interesting to have people come on who don't know, and they're not going to talk about the movie they're on or the TV show or the book they wrote. We're going to ask them about ghosts. Do they believe in ghosts? Do they believe in UFOs? Are they interested?

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  18. I have no idea. I'm so ignorant about it that I just kind of blundered into it. I mean, it's generally what Steve and I find interesting. And he's a philosopher, and so we do end up talking a lot, and he has a focus on sort of consciousness and the imagination.

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  19. I saw him give a talk online several years ago about consciousness and the imagination and stuff. And I thought, that guy's really interesting. I'm going to get in touch with that fellow. And so I did. And we just started chatting online, you know, zooming together. This was 2020. And so we were doing that. And at a certain point, he said, this is really funny. We should do something with this because we were taught for hours. And so he gave a chunk of stuff of us talking to a student of his who was an animator, former student named Alex Sokle. And he animated it. And the idea originally was to do an animated show of us talking animated. But that didn't happen. And so eventually we just made a, and he would call them chinwags. Let's have a chinwag, he'd say.

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  20. But it's just what my friend, I do it with a guy named Stephen Asma, who's a philosophy professor out in Chicago at Columbia College in Chicago, an arts college. And we would actually just, he and I used to just have zooms together like this and talk about weird topics. And he would just say to me, where did you mean?

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  21. Well, I think he's kind of remarkable. I think he's transformative. He does all kinds of things. He's remarkably powerful. He can be funny. He's fascinating to just sit and watch drink a cup of coffee. He's unbelievably compelling. I just think he's great. I think he's one of the great living film actors.

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  22. Forgot Clark Cable. Forgot this Humphrey Bogart guy. I want to watch Peter Lori and those kinds of guys, and they were creative and fun and they were sort of, and Alec Guinness, wonderful, you know. Guys now, I mean, people that I really love, I'm a great, great admirer of Robert Duval. I mean, I think of those guys, he's my favorite of those guys. Gene Ackburn's amazing too. I really admire Denzel Washington quite a bit.

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  23. They're unusual. I find them very odd. They're unusual. They're fun. They do this kind of fun, colorful stuff. When I was a kid, I was always interested in those guys as they cross the screen and leave. I'd go, but I want to watch that guy because he's sort of fascinating and strange. Yeah, forget this Clark.

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  24. Okay, okay. Oh, wow, that's for Sydney Greens. Oh, I love Sydney Green Street. Wow, that's the best compliment you could have possibly given me. You have made my year saying, Sydney, I love Sydney Green Street. Guys like that I loved. I loved Peter Lo.

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  25. So I've gotten more so. Honestly, first and foremost, beyond the character anything else the story has to interest me. That sounds like a real platitude that you hear from actors, but I honestly have to be interested in the story. And that literally means I have to keep turning the pages of the script I get. And if I am bored, if I get bored, I don't want to do it because I just want to do a story that's going to rip me.

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  26. Or so, or yeah, exactly, redeems himself by hailing somebody or the goofy prospector. I'm not sure which one, but one of those, you know?

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  27. Yeah, exactly. Maybe, yeah, with a stash in the pocket watch and the sort of just kind of, well, just doesn't carry that railroad's going to go through your farm whether you like it or not kind of guy. Or like maybe the doctor. Maybe I play the sympathetic drunk doctor or something like that.

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  28. Any person I'd really like to play, and it'd be interesting. It'd be interesting to play Teddy Roosevelt on camera. I did Teddy Roosevelt as a voiceover thing. I'd love to play Teddy Roosevelt on camera. That could be pretty interesting. Don't know that there's any particular living or historical person or figure like that anymore. I've done a lot of those kinds of things. There's kinds of movies I'd like to ban. I wouldn't mind being in a Western sometimes. I wouldn't mind being in a more spy movie type of thing and more sort of horror stuff genre stuff I really like. I wouldn't mind doing some more of that. A Western would be great. I don't know what I'd play in a Western.

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  29. No, I don't regret saying yes to anything. I just did a lot, you know, and it just was, I sometimes wish that I had just taken more of a break and, you know, and sometimes I don't think my work was great because I was going out of a friend who you, well, you know, and it's like of a friend who, an actor who said he and I, we chain-smoked jobs, really. And it was like, it was a good way of putting it because it's like you get a little bit. So I don't, you know, that work suffered a little bit.

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  30. I said yes too much. I just worked too much and I did a lot of stuff where I just was like, I mean, I enjoyed everything I did. I just, I worked too much. And I liked to work a bit of a workaholic. And I just thought I can take it easy now too. You know, I did this show and I have some money I can rest on now and I can take it easy a little bit. So I just thought I would

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  31. See, this is how I circle back the podcast trick there. Nice. How are you doing podcasts? Is this the proper way of doing a podcast? Very good. Very good. I'll take notes.

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  32. It does, and you begin to feel very comfortable sometimes almost alarmingly so in a TV show. You're like, am I getting too comfortable? Am I sort of losing the sort of the sharpness of the character because I'm getting kind of a little too relaxed? So that's an interesting thing. But these guys kept it pretty varied and lively. And the language was always a challenge. Fantastic, yeah. Yeah. And that was, I mean, not having really done any other TV shows, most people would say to me, my God, the gift you have of that language. Yeah. And apparently you're.

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  33. I mean, it's a tricky thing. I've played a lot of sort of bad guys. And, you know, I mean, it's like, but you learn to just not, it's not you. You let it go. And it's like, you know, you don't feel it.

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  34. A good way. Yeah, that's good. I think he was motivated by a lot of kind of personal animists and things like that, you know, and then sort of damage and trauma from the father and things like that. So I think it was a whole mess of things. It was a very messy character in a lot of ways, a very messy character, very isolated, lonely character, too. It was an odd character to play because he was very closed off from everybody. I mean, nobody liked him. He didn't like himself. And so it was a really interesting character to play.

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  35. Well, because it's this kind of, he's so driven, he's lost sight of any sort of perspective, you know, and it's this kind of moral scourge that he's sort of set himself up as is kind of an interesting character.

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  36. And I think there is that sort of sense of power for power's sake in a guy who sort of is abusing his power and stuff. And I always thought the character is very sort of like the Javer character and the Les Miserab. This kind of

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  37. Right? I get that. And And their childishness. Yeah. Which they captured, I thought, very well in the show. They did. They did.

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  38. A little, yes, it was, but I think also they did a pretty good job of still getting in there and sort of critiquing these guys and not lionizing them all the time. I don't know. I guess you're right that in a way it almost feels more relevant now than it did than it did then. You're right. Yeah. I don't know. What do you think it did for the cultural moment?

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  39. No, it does. Doesn't it? I don't that's a really good question. It was an interesting thing because I didn't inhabit the money part of the world of that show. So I didn't experience a lot of what I think the guys who played the money guys did. I mean, I think it was always a question for me, like, are we glamorizing this stuff too much or are we like critiquing it? And I think we were doing both, actually, in an interesting way.

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  40. Yes, indeed. I mean, a character I'd never done a TV show, so that's part of what's happening is that they're building the character as you're doing it. That's happening. Well, you are and they are. It's a sort of interesting dance you're doing as it goes along. And they're sort of seeing what you're doing with it and building off of that. And you're seeing what they're doing. And so it's a curious process building, a character over a TV show, the length of a TV show. And they took a lot of twists and turns and curveballs and changed the characters and did these kind of hairpin turns a lot, which was kind of part of the nature of different allies. Yeah, it was part of the idea of the show that there were these sudden turnarounds. But that was interesting to play. It was, yeah, it was a fun character to build, but they did a lot of the driving. You know, you just went where they wanted you to go.

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  41. Than Preet. And then, you know, as with anything that's well written, holdovers or billions, I take everything out of the language because it's going to be there. And the more I run over the language in my head and digest the words, the more my imagination gets fired off.

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  42. Who is the guy who nailed Whitey Bulger and he was the Connecticut state, but he was also the guy who just did the whole investigation of the Russia investigation thing, the bearded guy with the glasses and a vest. And I thought, he's unusual looking. There's a guy who looks like that, so I borrowed his look. I can tell you that much. Oh, wow. And when I read about him, I thought he sounded like this kind of very intense crusader kind of guy. And I thought, he's interesting. So if I based on anything on anybody, it was more him.

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  43. We'll give it to him. Listen, I mean, he's going to sure. We'll let him live with that illusion. But it was, you know, it was various things. I know I can tell you that one thing that was interesting, that the look of the character, I remembered thinking, I don't want to just look like everybody always looks when they play these guys. So I went and I scrolled through and I looked at all these different attorney, these district attorney guys all over the country. And I came across this guy, John Durham.

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  44. You mean doesn't like SNM? I didn't see it seemed very loosely based on Preet. Yes, I know it was extremely. He thinks it is.

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  45. First of all, I believe you overfreed any day of the week and twice every week. That's true. Trust me. I don't know anything about wine. I know nothing about wine. And he's very, you know, he's a very sophisticated area, man. So I thought he should pick it because I know zero about wine. I know nothing about wine. He probably drank the one.

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  46. Absolutely. No, it has to be like that. I'm not, that's, I mean, I don't ever feel like I play the lead. I play the central character in an ensemble. And this was, this just was this anyway. I mean, it's the three people make a hole in this thing. It has to be that. And, you know, I don't know if I let them shine. They just do. You know, so it was just a pleasure to do that with them. And it was like a play or something a lot of the time, this thing, you know. It was just the three of us or the two of us a lot. So it was great.

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  47. He was at Deerfield, which is one of the schools we shot at. He still had a room at Deerfield. He was still living. He was still there and he was living there. So it's kind of crazy. But he's having an incredible moment in his life. And, you know, fascinated to see where he goes from here. But they were great. They're both great in different ways. I mean, they're both, Dom had this kind of natural professionalism about him, gravity and sort of seriousness. And so I never felt like I was working with somebody inexperienced. And Dave IN and I work similarly and felt very similar and have a similar approach. So that was just one of those great things we didn't even need to talk about anything.

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  48. Dominic Sessa, who plays Angus Tully, has never. This is the first thing he's ever done. It's astonishing. And so his moment is insane. I can't even imagine being him right now

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  49. Well, I mean, they're both, yeah, they're having a wonderful moment, both of them. And they're different, very different stages. Dave Vine's been doing it for a while, and she's fantastic and has always been good. And I think she's having a wonderful moment where, because she's mostly done comedy for the most part, people are saying what she's really capable of. And it's just, you know, she's a great actress and she's a great person. And it's a wonderful thing. Dumb.

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  50. Yeah, and the kids sort of dealing with this family that doesn't really give a shit about him and then marries multiple dilemmas of existing in that world.

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