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  1. “So there are many, many, many challenges for Europe. And of course, for the Western governments, but at the same time, the good news is that we know what we should do. The challenge is what do we have? that political willingness to deliver, no?”

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  2. “And afterwards, we can talk about If we spend more on defense, social security, social services, housing policy, and so on and so forth. And there, again, we have a very different view when it comes to far-right governments and, I would say, centrist government, which means perhaps to enable our countries competitiveness means to speed the green transition. Renewables are quite competitive when it comes to let's say fossil fuels or even nuclear energy. And of course, what do we do within the European Union to scale up our digital market? And that means that we need to change and reform and upgrade our competition framework to forget about, you know, this is a Spaniard company. The other one is a German company or a Spanish company, German company or France company. Company, and perhaps we should talk about European companies.”

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  3. “Well, perhaps it's something that we need to think about how Europe is represented at the Security Council, how Asia, Africa, North America, South America is represented in the different institutions. And I think that this is a very difficult question to be answered, but I think that for the good of the world, we need to face it as Western governments and Western societies. That is why I do believe that it's a big mistake for Europe to state that the international order is over. Because I think that the duty of Europe today more than ever is to be a force of good, and that means to be a force of cooperation, collaboration, to strengthen multilateral system. And of course, strengthen. But the first question that Europe should answer is how do we increase our competitiveness? How do we increase our productivity? How do we grow?”

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  4. “Didn't really care, didn't he? I agree. I think the problem or the challenge is how do we upgrade the international order to the 21st century? And that means that Western societies, Western governments, we must reduce our representativeness in some of these multilateral institutions in order to have a more representative international order, which means we will need more African Union. We will need more ASEAN, more global south in multilateral institutions. Are we ready? To reduce that representativeness, are we ready to share global governance with other regions, with China, with India, with Brazil, and keeping at the same time what is working at international level? That is the challenge.”

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  5. “Is not my duty to respond to, but I think that Israel today is more isolated internationally than before the war. And why is that? Because Prime Minister Netanyahu took a very wrong decision when it comes to respond to this Hamas terrorist attack, which, by the way, we of course condemn it since day one.”

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  6. “Absolutely, they are, but they are not taking the correct response to fight against terrorism. And this is, I think, the real debate. Because, of course, there is a security dimension when it comes to fight against terrorism. But there's also an ideological dimension on how to fight against terrorism within society. In this case, the Palestinian society. And I think that today, if you ask yourself, is Hamas stronger or weaker after four years of war or three years of war, I could tell you perhaps Hamas is stronger. Why is that? Because there's a clear lack of political vision on how to fight against terrorism, how to give and provide Palestine's a political horizon for their own future. And that means, of course, responding to the urgencies such as humanitarian aid, stopping, you know,”

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  7. “Of course, we are empathetic with the Palestinian cause, but I would say that there's a broader picture to think about it, which is that Spain has suffered for many years terrorism. First of all, in the Basque Country, in the beginning of our democracy and afterwards, we suffer a very important terrorist attack from the jihadists during the Iraqi war.”

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  8. “There's a lot of experts on international law, on humanitarian law that already stated as a genocide, what is happening in Gaza.”

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  9. “Part, unfortunately, of politics, what makes the difference is how do you respond to those scandals? And in my case, I took that responsibility and I was 100% tough and proportional to those kind of scandals.”

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  10. “There's a dimension of this political relationship. You think that perhaps they are your friends, but at the end of the day, you don't know them. You think that you know them, but you don't know them. They have a kind of high life. But what is, I think, important is to take decisions, not to just say, well, it's not a case of corruption since the first moment, the very first moment that police and of course the judges open this corruption scandal, I took decisions proportionally to the case. And I think that is my responsibility. And also, on the other hand, to cooperate with international organizations such as the OECD in order to launch a state or a national plan against corruption. All in all, what I'm trying to say is that corruption”

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  11. “No, no, no, no, no. We had it with the previous administration, unfortunately. But corruption politics free doesn't exist. I mean, it's important to keep in mind what exists is to have zero tolerance against corruption. And personally took those decisions in order to expel those cases. Nowadays, doing politics.”

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  12. “But I think that the destiny of the UK and the European Union is the same one. And I think that we need to do a political effort to join forces and see in the future how do we frame this relationship. Again, as a member of the European Union or not, in my view, it's clear that in the interest of the UK,”

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  13. “At the end of the day, I'm sure that we will reach an agreement. But that's democracy. I mean, to have different opinions, and then afterwards you negotiate and you reach an agreement. But perhaps we could do it faster.”

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  14. “I think Europe has changed a lot over the last years. I mean, we suffered a pandemic afterwards a war in Ukraine, the energy crisis. Gaza war, nowadays the Iran war. And what we see is a clear alignment in global politics from the European Union and the UK government. I don't see today any other path than more cooperation and why not in the future. But this is my hope with all due respect to have again the UK in the European Union.”

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  15. “By the way, you know, I think there were like three labor governments in Gibraltar, in Spain, and in Britain, thanks to, I think, generosity, responsibility, and of course thinking about people in Gibraltar and in Campo de Gibraltar, we managed to reach a very important agreement. So I think that this was a very important milestone in order to scale up and strengthening our bilateral cooperation with the UK. But going back to your question, The problem is not about political orientation. It's about the framework where politics in Britain operates after Brexit.”

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  16. “Exactly. I think it's important to open that debate. But once again, of course, it will polarize the citizens in Britain. And this is a very difficult debate to face. But again, it's a question of framework. How Britain could win more sovereignty? And in my opinion, you don't win more sovereignty when you are out of a bigger political project. In our case, of course, the European Union. I mean, imagine Spain out of the European Union. It would be a disaster.”

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  17. “I think that is a big question mark that British should answer. We need to keep that alliance. Brexit was a terrible loss not only for British, but also for the European Union. We have also lost one of our major, let's say, political actors when it comes to international politics and welfare of the European Union as a whole. And middle answer are not the correct one.”

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  18. “Public deficit high public debt, low economic growth. Of course, more defense obligations and security obligations. The debate of migration. I think that the UK needs to, with all due respect, the UK needs also to reflect on the decision taken with Brexit.”

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  19. “From his pain, what we think is that we are Europeanizing Spanish politics because this is the first time ever since we have democracy 45 years ago that we have a coalition government at the central level. Of course, we have at regional level and municipalities, but not at central level. So we are in the process of Europeanize Spanish politics. And when it comes to the UK, I think that the framework perhaps is the problem. The framework is how do you navigate in this world without being part of a bigger political project? It doesn't matter if you are center left or center right prime minister. At the end of the day, the framework where you operate and you do politics is very tiny, very difficult to operate because there's, of course, a high power.”

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  20. “No, I think that Catalonia, they just want to be respected its identity, to be recognized, as well as the Basque Country. And I think that diversity, territorial diversity within Spain is not a problem. It's an asset for the good of Spain and for the good of our prosperity. This is why I think that now if you take the polls in Catalonia and in the Basque country and other territories that they have this very strong identity, they recognize how well and how good this government works for their interest. And I think this is very important without breaking, of course, equal opportunities within territories and within citizens.”

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  21. “So, to materialize the amnesty law, to overcome all this terrible mess that previous administration left me when I took over back in 2018. And I think that we are in the process. But of course, it has obliged me to take very difficult decisions that in the beginning Spaniards were more reluctant, but nowadays they realize it was worth for the coexistence of the Spanish territories and of course to strengthen democracy in Spain.”

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  22. “But I can tell you that we've been able to pass very important laws such as labor market reform, pension system reform with social peace. And by the way, it is true indeed that back in 2017, the year before I took over, Spain suffered the worst territorial and constitutional crisis in Catalonia. And nowadays in Catalonia, we have a socialist president. So people in Catalonia recognize the effort that we have done over the last seven years in order to normalize the situation in Catalonia. And this is also a very important goal for this term to 100% normalize the political and social situation in Catalonia.”

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  23. “Well, at the end of the day, there's a common understanding, and I can tell you that being a minority coalition government has also made me better as prime minister because of my conviction, but also obligation to talk a lot with the rest of the groups. Well, perhaps for a year”

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  24. “In 2025, we created more jobs than, for instance, the US economy, the economic growth in Spain represents 40% of the total economic growth of the Eurozone. I do believe that politics means just do it. You have to deliver on social policies, on economic transformation and so on and so forth. And we have done so on the digital side, on the green transition.”

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  25. “Well, actually, what we are now in the process is to recognize the rights and regulate the more or less 500,000 migrants that are already living in Spain. But for a country of close to 50 million people, we're talking about perhaps four points, five points of the total migrants that we have in Spain. It's not a big issue. I think that we have, of course, the capacity to absorb and to integrate these migrants.”

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  26. “And when you speak with these Latinos in the United States, it's the contrary. They feel proud to be in the United States. They feel proud also about how they contribute to the economic growth and prosperity in the United States, not only from Latin America. We have also a very important diaspora of Morocco in Spain that they are contributing to the welfare of our society. And again, the challenge is how do we integrate this migration?”

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  27. “But there are nuances, even across European governments, you find prime ministers from the central right saying we're facing a winter demography and we need to open regular paths for migration. And I think that one of the biggest mistakes that Trump and current US administration is making is to close borders. They are trying to identify migration, all migration with a crime and all this violence. And it's the contrary. In the case of Spain, migration represents 10% more or less of the total incomes of Social Security system. But at the same time only represent 1% of the total public spending. The challenge for governments and in the case of Spain, you know, since we have a very decentralized system, it is in the hands of the regions and the hands of municipalities, the challenge is how do we integrate this migration? And the problem that we face in Spain, and I think that”

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  28. “Well, I think there are two dimensions when it comes to migration. There's a moral dimension, which I think is very important not to forget. These are people that are looking for new opportunities. And I think that there's a moral dimension of migration that we need to keep in mind. But there's also a pragmatic dimension of migration. We're suffering a winter demography within Western societies. And of course, that means that we need to fight against irregular migration. We have managed through cooperation and collaboration with countries of origin and transit to reduce dramatically by 60% the irregular flows in Spain, but at the same time it's true that when you speak with business associations, they tell you we need talent, we need migration. And that is why it's so important to have regular path of migration.”

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  29. “Exactly. But at the end of the day, when you see the ideological speeches coming from the far right, going against the green transition, going against migration, I think Spain is a very good example with facts that green transition is for the good of the middle class. And also migration, even though, of course, there's a lot of challenges behind migration is also good for the economic growth of the country because at the end of the day, in the 21st century, the competition around the world is how do we attract talent? And I think that it's a big mistake from Western societies just to say we're going to close our borders because we don't need more migration. Of course, we need migration. The dilemma of Western societies is whether we open Our economies and growth, or whether we close our borders and is shrinking.”

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  30. “Been able to reduce dramatically the electricity prices. So last month, for instance, the electricity prices were three times cheaper than the ones in France, six times cheaper than Germany, and seven times cheaper than in Italy. So what I'm trying to say is that, of course, from Spain, we can provide cheaper electricity prices and cheaper energy for the rest of Europe.”

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  31. “It means, for instance, that since seven years ago we have decided to become the green energy hub for the European Union, what is the problem that we are interconnected only by 5% of our total capacity? So we cannot provide competitive energy prices to the European Union because there's a lack of interconnections between the Iberian Peninsula and France. If we complete that interconnections, we will provide cheaper energy prices to European consumers. So these are the small things, but very important things for the welfare of European citizens. And of course, for the, let's say, the strength of the European Union project. Since I'm in office, last month, for instance, thanks to this Greens transition, we've”

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  32. “No, I think that we are suffering a lot of shocks from Ukraine and Russia, from the US, now from the Middle East, of course China and within the European Union there's a clear shift towards the far right, which means more pro-nationalistic vision of the European Union, which is, I do believe, a weaker approach because what we need is to unite Europe, not to fragment Europe. And in this regard, I do believe that just to respond to your question, there's of course a need to reform our single market, which means not only the enlargement, but also we need to complete the saving and capital union market, the energy union market, the digital union market. And these are the duties that we should Lever before the end of the mandate at the European level”

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  33. “So, first of all, I think that it is important to show that we are a reliable partner with all these regions that you mentioned. So I think that the path opened by the current President of the Commission, Ursula von der Leyen, when it comes to Mercosur trade agreement, India trade agreement, and so on and so forth, is the correct one. Second, I think that Europe should deploy more its soft power, which means that we need also to be engaged in the global debates and not strengthen the European Union when it comes to migration, when it comes to global warming, when it comes to financing for development, when it comes to AI regulation or governance. These are the big debates that the Global South are waiting to be responded. And I think that it is a mistake. From Europe to send the message that we believe that an international order is dead”

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  34. “Course, we have deploy more than 3,000 soldiers, mainly in the eastern flank, in NATO missions. So all in all, what I'm trying to say is that there's a lot of arbitrarianism when it comes to this 5% of our GDP. One year could be 5%. The other year could be 2%. And the other year could be 7%. At the end of the day, the real debate is capabilities, other capabilities that allies need to share in order to face the challenges that we face as NATO.”

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  35. “5%, it was an arbitrary figure Which was not based on data and facts. I mean, just to share with you this information which is public, but I think that it's important to table this, that we agreed with NATO to spend 2.1% of our GDP on defense because with that amount of money, we would be able from Spain to have the capabilities needed to face the common challenges that we are facing as NATO. So one thing is, okay, let us speak about the global challenges that we're facing in NATO. What are the capabilities that all allies should table? And afterwards, we will decide how much money you spend on defense. Because if you take my eight years since I'm in office, we have tripled the experienter on defense. Of course, when it's related to our GDP, and of course...”

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  36. “I would like to definitely to have the UK on board again. I think that societies can make mistakes, but also you can review those mistakes. And I think it was a mistake for the UK to leave the European Union. And today, I think that there's a lot of data and facts that, of course, shows that that path was not the correct one.”

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  37. “And of course, the Western Balkans. That will also mean for southern countries to keep geopolitics not only in the eastern flank of Europe or the Arctic, because other countries such as Iceland that are thinking what to do in the future if they become or not a member of the European Union. And the big question mark is what the UK will do in the future.”

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  38. “We have already experienced that and tested with this partnership that we build up with Ukraine and other countries such as Georgia and Moldova. I think that for our strategic or geoeconomics and geopolitics from Europe, I mean, I do believe that we need to enlarge towards Ukraine and Moldova. This is my opinion. We believe that in Europe, we're ready to do that and make Europe stronger.”

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  39. “Absolutely, absolutely. But there's, of course, technical criteria, but there's also geopolitical decisions that we need to take. And I think that Ukraine, Moldova, and of course Western Balkans are the, let's say, the duties that the European Union needs to fulfill the enlargement, I mean, in order to complete the European Union political project. And that also means that we need to do our own reforms, internal reforms, mainly in the decision-making process, which is difficult sometimes.”

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  40. “Well, I think that we actually, because of our historical roots, because we're commemorating this year the 40th anniversary of the enlargement of the European Union to the Arian Peninsula, we're happy to have more countries.”

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  41. “That want to keep that policies in their own hands. And that makes Europe weaker, because our enemies, what they want is to have a more fragmented Europe and not a more united Europe. That is why I think that within the European Union there are governments that are ready to share that sovereignty. And that is why I think that we need to move forward in different speeds, different countries that we are already ready.”

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  42. “Need to be more coordinated. That is true. I think that, of course, there are historical roots that explains foreign policy nowadays. For instance, what is happening with Germany when it comes to its relationship with the Prime Minister Netanyahu or Spain when it comes to the US. So there's, of course, historical roots that explain different nuances when it comes to foreign policy. But in my view, there's a lack of a European vision when it comes to these global debates. And the paradox that Europe faces is also that we need to federalize more our policies on capital and saving union market, energy union market, the digital union market, defense European industry. We need to scale up definitely. But at the same time, we have, because of this far right wave within Europe, we have more nationalistic governments.”

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  43. “In order to have a more human approach to this new kind of technology. So there are plenty of global debates that we need to focus ourselves more than creating this kind of new problems that it won't create any good for the region and for the world.”

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  44. “Yeah, no, we have a great relationship. I think that the framework has changed, obviously, because of Brexit. But on the other hand, the relationship is very good between governments and also within our societies. No, let me just say about Europe that I do believe that Europe needs to be nowadays, especially nowadays, a force of good. And that means that we need to build up alliance, not only with the US, but of course, but also with the rest of the world. We need to have a more engagement approach when it comes to all these global debates that the US, unfortunately, they just rejected. Global warming, inequality, social justice, migration, of course, what shall we do with AI and regulation or at least creating this alliance across countries and across societies?”

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  45. “Can imagine that it's very uncomfortable situation. And what I heard from and understand from Chancellor Merch is that, of course, in his private meeting, of course, he explains that trade policy is in the hands of the European Commission and it's not a question of bilateral. And by the way, Spain suffers trade deficit when it comes to our bilateral relations with the US. So it's not the case of a Spanish economy towards the US where they have unsuffered this trade deficit. But anyhow, I think that is a very uncomfortable situation. And of course, for me, what is important is that Chancellor Merz, of course, supported Spain and supported the unity of the European Union when it comes to this kind of cohesion words that, of course, President Trump.”

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  46. “No, I don't think so. I think that at the end of the day, if you see, there's also a shift when it comes to the position of the different governments vis- ⁇-vis the Iran war. There's a shift in the political positions of these governments and administrations because the societies, their societies are not following that political position. Also, I think it's very important to have in mind that nowadays international politics is not only states. There are many, many societies that are engaged and they are against this kind of illegalities.”

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  47. “To have upgrading international order to the 21st century or to go back to 19th century and of course to have a law of the force.”

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  48. “I see that there's a clear challenge coming from the US administration when it comes to weakening and undermining international order. This is point number one. Point number two, I think that they are also profiting from the lack of a political willingness from nations before the current US administration to reform and upgrade the international order to the 21st century. But that doesn't mean that we have to go back to 19th century. What we want and we need to do is to fix what is not working in the international order, but also to keep the things that are working and that, for example, brought us this period of peace that we have profit over the last decades. So the dilemma is not to have an old and new international order. The dilemma is”

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  49. “There's actually no common position even in the US politics within the US society. So this is a unilateral war that has been started by two nations, by two governments without consulting, without coordinating with their allies. And this is, I think, very, very important to keep in mind. And afterwards, the consequences of all this war, not only casualties, instability and security as the Iraqi war brought us in Europe and also across the world, also for the global south and for our citizens will meet an erosion of our welfare state and of course the middle class and working class incomes and let's say welfare.”

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  50. “At the end of the day, I think that it's important to strengthen the European pillar that will bring us to have a stronger, I believe, transatlantic relationship in the coming years.”

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