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  1. “In a way that is not morally right, but is also the most efficient. And my obsession right now is to try to find a way to use it insane phrase, weaponize kindness, and to be able to see ourselves as not teams. And I mean teams in every fucking way, whether teams is atheist, whether team is Democrat, whether teams as sports fans, whether teams is, I love Miles Davis and hate Kenny G, whether teams are anything. I know it's impossible, but god damn it, we got to work on that and we got bigger problems coming up.”

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  2. “They have found a way to weaponize hate in the social media that we thought was going to lead to utopia. And that's heartbreaking to me. But I still kind of believe it. And I still kind of believe the mathematics that if you want to change the world, you are better off with nonviolence. If you don't even care, if you even put violence on the table, nonviolent revolutions have been more successful more often than violent ones. And Martin Luther King and Mandela and Gandhi were not, as Obama betrayed them kind of silly wide-eyed, wild-eyed people that it kind of happened to work for them, but it can't work all the time. That might not be true. They might actually be the scientists among us who have done proper social change.”

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  3. “Or I can be one of seven billion. And $7 billion is being conservative. I'd actually like to do $108 billion for everybody that's ever lived. And I might want to start adding primates and maybe other mammals into there. But I don't want to see teams anymore. I don't want to see us and them. And I think the biggest challenge we face, even with climate change on the table, one of the biggest challenges we face is staying kind with profound disagreement and staying kind when a mechanism has been set up to make money and power out of hate. And I want to believe all the cliches about love and kindness triumphing. And right now, politically, that's not the case.”

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  4. “That they had had the largest number of Thanksgiving dinners canceled because relatives did not want to talk to each other because of the Trump thing. I've been trying to do this thing, which is impossible, by the way. And if I'm successful, I will simply go mad. But I've been trying this thought experiment of trying not to use the words us and them. I've tried to say the sentence, those of us who voted for Trump, which is a very difficult sentence to say. But if you say it, it's very profound because it is those of us who voted for Trump. It's not them who voted for Trump. It's us. And I also have been trying very hard to think that my only team I can belong to. I have two choices. I can be Pen.”

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  5. “In the age of Trump, one of the worst things they say, and I hate to follow Godwin's law here, but they say one of the worst things about Hitler was he turned his enemies into him. And I know Trump very well. And one of the worst things Trump has done and the one that I was the farthest from predicting was what he's done to the other side, the people that really, really dislike Trump. For I will add very good reasons, have become so unkind and so angry, and you have stuff like if you're a Trump voter, I don't want to talk to you. If you're a Trump voter, I was told by, what's his name, Frank, the big...”

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  6. “For some reason, I've actually looked into pricing to put that billboard up. It makes me laugh so much. It seems like the perfect absurdest thing that seems to have a great deal of poetic depth to me. So you probably ask this question of people hypothetically, but I actually within the past six months have looked into prices for a billboard in Vegas that simply says Jesus had a swimmer's body.”

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  7. “So I really tried very hard. My plan on Tim's Vermeer was after that night to hand it off to a company and a producer and a director and just stand on the side and cheer. And I just couldn't find someone that was easy enough to do that. And, you know, Teller's plan was for this to be a penn project he didn't have to worry about. And he got sucked in too. And now, I mean, I have to change the spin. I did not want to do it. I am incredibly proud and happy that I did do it. I mean, I don't want to add that. I don't want to leave without adding that. That would be disingenuous.”

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  8. “And finally, we went through a few of people and didn't like him and didn't seem right. They didn't get it. They didn't have time. And finally, Tell her do nothing about any of this. We approach Teller, Tim and I together, and said, Tim's doing this crazy thing. We think it should be a movie. What do you think? And then we started on this five-year journey of Tim painting the Vermeer, which he tells everybody over and over again. He would have never finished if not for the movie. He says the moment his blood ran cold was when he said to Teller, you know, I may not be able to finish this. And then there's no movie until I went, oh, the opium movie tip. And Tib said, it was just the most complete terror he's ever felt.”

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  9. “Okay, let's go. And he said, you're going to direct it. I said, I'm not going to direct that. I can't direct. I can't visualize things. I can't direct, but I'll produce it. I'll put it all together. And Tim said, okay. And he said, I can do the tech on it. And I'll just buy the cameras. I said, okay, good. And I said, let's find a director. And I mean, this is embarrassing, but of course, Teller and I are very frank with each other. Teller was my fifth choice. To direct it”

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  10. “As Jesse Dillon says, every meeting in Hollywood is a month of your life. And finally, we had finished like four meetings in New York. We were at some coffee place. And I said to Tim, you know, Tim, fuck it. I don't want to deal with these people anymore. Forget about it. Let's just do it. And he said, what do you mean? I said, just let's put the money up, make the goddamn move. And I said, because I would rather spend the money than take any more of these meetings with dipshits. I can't do it. And Tim said,”

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  11. “Because I was with him, you know, that I was doing some sort of hidden camera gag. But BBC was a little interested, and I had a couple of good directors that were a little interested. And then I sucked Tim into my horrible show business world in meetings with people that go nowhere, which I'm sure you're very familiar with.”

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  12. “Sat there and then he pulled out audio visual aids at that time. You didn't do that with a cell phone as easily. He had an actual video camera with him with a little screen on it. And he showed me his early experiments with Vermire. And I said, boy, Tim, you have fucked up royally because this is something that's involved in my business. This should be a documentary. And Tim said, no, nobody cares about this at all. I said, no, no, the world will care about this, Tim. He said, no, no, nobody cares about this. This is one scientific paper. No one cares. I said, no, no, this is a movie. And then I said, let's find you somebody. So I talked to a lot of producers and a lot of directors. Tim and I flew to LA. We flew to New York. Actually, I was a hindrance because people thought that his extraordinary claim was a gag.”

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  13. “A conversation with an adult that I was not outside of my family, that I was not being paid for in a year. That really distressed me. So I called up Tim and I thought it was a social call. He remembers it as an emergency call. And I said, hey, Tim, you know, I just got to talk to somebody. And he said, okay, I'll fly in. So he flew into Vegas. And at that time, we were both eating meat, which we don't do now. We went to, or Texas did Brazil. and sat down and I said, Tim, tell me something I can't possibly make money on. I can't possibly use in my show. And I don't know about. And he said, how much do you know about Vermeer? And I said, first two paragraphs of Wikipedia and I'm out. And then Tim.”

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  14. “Well, because I couldn't find another way. I didn't want to. I did not have the time. And it was not on my agenda to get done. But I had young children, very young children, and I realized that I had not had...”

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  15. “Probably unfairly, then you can decide how close you want to be to somebody is just if they can tell you something really early on that surprises you. You know, as we build our theory of other minds, we get these points and then we guess the other points. And if you can't do that, that's someone you want to fall in love with.”

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  16. “And it's really interesting to look at oneself and say, if someone has two cliche data points on me, can they guess the third and be absolutely right? And Feynman was the perfect example of that. You could say Nobel Prize winner, you know, professor drummer. He wasn't like a guy who listened to opera. You know what I mean? He was a drummer and he was a, you know, South American style music drummer. He was the way he spoke, the way he carried himself. You could not guess what the other thing was going to be. And it's one of the ways.”

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  17. “Tim, thank you. Tim said to me that when he's meeting somebody, if he learns two things about them and can guess the third, he's really uninterested. Like if he finds out that they're vegan and they like the grateful dead, and then he finds out they're against nuclear power, he says, I'm kind of done. I kind of know that kind of person.”

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  18. “Yeah, but more important than either of those two is he was a person that you want to be. I mean, Bob Dylan sings to live outside the law, you must be honest. And Richard Feynman had found a way to live outside the law that was phenomenal. He would not fall into any cliche whatsoever. You know, my friend Tim Jennison, who was how I know Ray Cronice, we did a movie about him called Tim.”

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  19. “I said, well, this is Penn, and it was Richard Feynman that called you. And he just went, I get a call from Richard Feynman. I said, yes. He said, where did he get my number? I said, maybe there's like a directory, a physicist. I don't know. He said, I teach at a community college. I said, good. So we got together with that guy and we worked with him for three weeks and did the liquid air show on Letterman, which was a bit that went very well. And the guy brought a ton of liquid nitrogen and we said, you know, tell us the stuff you do when it's not in front of school classes, the stuff that's a little bit too dangerous and a little bit too crazy and let's play with it. So we played with liquid nitrogen and even liquid oxygen and all sorts of stuff for weeks and did a bit on the show that went very well. When I try to tell science friends of mine that to get liquid nitrogen”

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  20. “So I called Richard and I said, listen, man, we want to do this bit on Letterman. We want to do liquid nitrogen. We want to do a liquid airshow. And he went, oh, fuck. I haven't dealt with any like real physics in 50 years. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what to do. And Feynman said, well, let me get on it. And like an hour later, professor called me from a community college in Brooklyn. And he said, may I speak to Penn, Gillette, please? I said, yeah, this is Penn. He said, I know this is a gag. I know this is a practical joke. But someone claiming to be Richard Feynman called me. At Ask me if I would call pen of petted teller to set up a liquid air show on Letterman. I know I'm the brunt of the joke. I just don't know what the joke is. Who is this and who called me?”

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  21. “Was. This is in the 80s. I didn't know what you could do with liquid nitrogen or where to get it. So Teller said, Well, we got to find a physicist to get on board to help us with this liquid nitrogen thing. And I said, well, I'll call Feynman.”

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  22. “And I'd be on the phone with him for like, you know, an hour and a half. Or he'd be going, so you cancel out the A on that side of the equal side. You cancel it out over there, you know? And then, I mean, arithmetic. He was teaching me arithmetic. And I'd get through his book and I'd call him up and say, I get a few questions about vectors. And he'd go, okay, shoot. That's incredible. And then perhaps the funniest was Teller and I wanted to do a bit on Letterman with liquid air. We wanted liquid nitrogen, you know? And the gag was we're going to drop things in and freeze them and smash them and then teller's hand was going to go in and we'd smash his hand. And then we drop a mouse in and then show the mouse was okay. Then the mouse would jump in. And that was the gag. So we needed to have a lot of liquid nitrogen and we need to play around with it. And at that time, I mean, it's amazing how stupid.”

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  23. “Yeah, exactly. And so the story I tell that makes science friends of mine bang their head against the wall is I would pick up Feynman's books on physics and I would realize that I, because I got out of high school on a plea bargain and didn't really graduate, I didn't know the algebra for. You know, he would explain something and I wouldn't get it. So I would call him up. I would say, hey, Richard, I'm reading your book here. This whole paragraph here, I get trouble with it. And he would say, well, that's just your high school algebra pen. And I said, well, I didn't have high school algebra. And he would say, okay, get a piece. Have a pencil and let's go through high school algebra.”

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  24. “We may have had the highest concentration of Nobel laureates outside of Stockholm at the LA Stage Company. And became friends, I think, would be exaggerating. But I had his home phone number, and we went out to dinner a few times, and I met Marie Goman and talked with him to show you the clash of cultures Marie Galman once said to me. I've heard there's a television program on late at night hosted by David Letterman, that might be a good move for your career for you to go on. Never seen it You'd never see it.”

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  25. “So, I do it much better with the real model, but I can't get into it this way. And scientists are willing to say I don't know. And that's embracing the mystery. And lo and behold, Richard Feynman came up to me after one of the shows and said that. I had said something in that monologue that he had never been able to say that clearly and that he had brought his wife and he had said to her afterwards see that's what I mean and she'd understood something that she hadn't understood before I mean a mind-blowing thing to have said to somebody you know I was pretty pretty much fell apart and then Over the next run of the show, he came back to the show several times and at one point he brought five count them five Nobel laureates with him to see the show”

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  26. “And Lou Reed were on this list of people. It just said people we'd like to have see our show. That was it. And Feyman was on the list. And Crispin Glover was on the list. And Feyman came to the show. And we ended the show at that time with my favorite monologue I've ever written and my favorite to do, which is the thing we call 10-in-1, which is what the carnival sideshow is actually called among the carnival people, is 10 and 1, where I described the physics of fire reading, the biology of fire reading. I teach fire reading, then perform it. And during that time, I talk about how we think that skeptics are against the mystery, whereas it's religious people who are against the mystery. Religious people see a mystery and they want to have an answer. This is how things happen.”

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  27. “And I said, Well, I did. And he went, oh, I said, well, I did. So it's a stretch of the imagination, but not for me. It's a memory. So they let that line go. I think read maybe it was Shirley you're joking as soon as it came out. And I was a big fan of Richard Feyman. And we were doing a show at the Las Palmos, the LA stage company it's called now in Hollywood, about a 500-seat theater. And we had done this list in our program of people we'd like to see the show. It was a funny kind of idea we had. We had a list of like 50 names that included Samuel Beckett and George Romero and Richard Feynman and Debbie Harry.”

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  28. “Yeah, I bet of a very long time ago. It's funny because there was a show on television called Numbers. It was actually spelled num threeers. You know, they had a three in there. And the premise was a mathematician who solves crimes. And they had a scientist who was the consultant for the television show. And I came on playing myself. And one of the scriptwriters had written in aligned for me where I talked about being friends with Richard Feynman. And the scientist who was consulted on the show flagged it and said, I don't think you want to do this line because there is really, it's a real stretch of the imagination to believe that Pen Gillette could have known Richard Feynman.”

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  29. “So you have to remember that although I tell you I was sitting during that time, I was going out on stage and jumping and running and yelling for 90 minutes every night.”

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  30. “Well, everything you just said is right in line. I think that there was certainly a way. The other thing is that I should say that I stopped exercise, but I didn't stop doing the show. And Ray strapped on one of those calorie counters that goes takes all your breath and everything and had me do five minutes of our show at full volume. and full energy and was astonished by the amount of calories I was burning. So he said, you know, you're kind of doing a run every night. So my no exercise thing is kind of sort of bullshit.”

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  31. “Very gratifying. I also want to say, and this is the part that you might quibble with, and I'd be interested. Cray Ray also allowed no exercise whatsoever during the time I was losing weight. He believes that weight loss and bodybuilding fight each other and that you should not be doing great exertion. You should be sitting, you should be doing very little when you're doing weight loss. And people have misunderstood that as, you know, Penn's miraculous just eat potatoes and don't exercise diet, which you know very well, but I want to say it is very contrary to what I did. I eat a full rounded, full meals. For two weeks I did potatoes as a stunt to teach myself things about food. It was not done as a healthy diet. It's not done for a lifetime. It's done for two weeks. And the not exercising was not done for a lifetime. It was done for that time while I want.”

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  32. “For the microbiome, we know that, although it's in its infancy. And all of that stuff, you know, when you read those scientific articles, all of that stuff completely maps over my first-hand experience. Please don't allow me to claim stuff I don't know. I'd like very much to talk about how the microbiome changed my personality and all of that, but I can't prove that. I have no evidence. So don't let me go there. But what I feel about is that my diet has changed me profoundly. But of course, at the same time, I started meditating and other stuff changed in my life. So we don't have that control. We never have a control in our own lives.”

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  33. “One bite or first bite, I think really great book. And this woman set out to find what scientists believe that food desires were innate and what scientists believe that food desires were learned, cultural and habitual. And she couldn't find any scientists that believed it was innate. It is incredible how I thought that foods that I absolutely loved are now repulsive to me just because they're out of habit. You know things, I mean, my favorite foods I now look at and go, even uncomfortable watching other people eat them. And my new comfort foods have just changed. There's a lot of stuff. We don't know anything about this, but you know your microbiome changes over three or four months. There's certainly feedback to the brain.”

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  34. “Containers of watermelon and rice and beans and stuff plain. It's fine. But then again, that's rare for me. And then, you know, there is all I really want to eat, which is peanut butter. If I had my way, I would eat nothing but peanut butter all day, all night, all the time. The other thing that blew my mind, and you read these books on habit. And I read this book.”

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  35. “A nutrient rich but not calorie rich food. And also I'm very fortunate. I mean, we give a lot of credit to Cray Ray, but also my wife, who's been not eating mammals for years and years and takes cooking very seriously and really enjoyed the firm and challenge. I eat really different food every single night and it's always gourmet quality. And Dr. Clapper has had supper with me and Cray Race had supper many times with me and they're just blown away. They just go, you know, with this kind of food delivered to you every night, anyone can do this. There's nothing required. It's just incredibly, incredibly good food that's labor intensive. And when I go on the road and I go down to just eating, you know, 10.”

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  36. “Of food and then usually a few squares of incredibly dark 90% chocolate. And that is really My children joined me for supper about 15 minutes in and leave before half hours. I still have a half hour to go. And it's one of the reasons I can't eat at restaurants is I can't get the volume of food I want. We're really talking about the equivalent. I mean, to put this in terms that are kind of easy to visualize, I probably eat the equivalent of like eight baked potatoes. It's a huge amount. But then again, if you're looking at caloric content or fat content or any of that, it's really low. And what my body is trying to do is to desperately get, you know, whatever I need a day, you know, whatever that is, 15 to 2,000 calories, trying to get that out of incredibly nutritious.”

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  37. “Like five of those, and like two cups of pomegranates on top of those. I mean, a gigantic bowl would not fit in any bowl you have. It has to be like an industrial bowl that I'm eating out of.”

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  38. “And I will tell you that if you were to sit down with me during that one hour of feeding, you would be appalled. The actual volume of food that I eat is phenomenal. I mean, I eat a salad the size of your head. You know, I gigantic salad. I eat probably six servings of brown rice or some whole grain of fero or one of those things. I try to eat little less brown rice. It's a little less healthy. It's my favorite food in the world. chili, beans, stew like guacamole. My wife is an incredible vegan cook and follows, I follow the Furman thing absolutely, credibly low salt, credibly low oil, really very little processed. And then the amount of fruit that I have for dessert is, you know, those containers of blueberries.”

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  39. “But I have made, you know, the magic moment is two years. Everybody gains back their weight in two years. And if you don't gain back the weight in two years, you are in this very small percentage. It's different studies say different amounts, but two to five percent people keep it off after two years. And what Gray Ray is discovering, which someone of your build does get to discover this, but the faster you lose the weight, the more likely you are to keep it off, which is contrary to everything that we believed five years ago. So it's worked well for me.”

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  40. “But I, as I lost weight, I lost weight, I lost concerns. Things were lighter. Things were easier. I didn't have to think about wanting to play with my children. You know, oh, I should do this. I just did it. And it was a really remarkable remarkable changes in my life. And I have also, you know, since then, I've done a two-week fast. I guess I have to underline medically supervised because I don't want anybody to think they can just do that. It's not safe. And three days you're safe, but over three days, be careful. And I've also gained weight since then. And now I'm going down again.”

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  41. “And it was all very illegal. We were doing it. So we did like 40 parabolas. So I was weightless for a long time. And I was heavy for a long time. I was heavy at that time. I was fat then too. And I went to twice my weight. And what I remembered later was that when I went to twice my weight, my mood changed. It's incredible how you can learn what weight loss will do to you emotionally by going in the vomit comet and going from as I was going from zero to 600 pounds back and forth in one minute intervals. And it's amazing how when you're heavier you get sadder. Now I don't know if this directly maps onto it. This may be more poetic than scientific. I don't want to make claims. I don't really understand.”

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  42. “I went, oh, yeah, I get it. I mean, in a certain sense, I'm thinking and feeling with my whole body. It's not just this lump of brain inside my head. And that was a phenomenal thing to realize how wrong I had been. You know, there was a weird thing. I wanted to vomit comment also because of Cray Ray. Because you brag about knowing him in 2000s. I knew them in the 90s. I went on the vomit comic. So I went from weightless to double my weight in approximately 30 second intervals, like 26 seconds or something. And I did a lot of parabolis. Because I was on an illegal flight.”

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  43. “And when I started losing the weight and my mood started changing, I mean, there were psychological changes in me. I became gentler, kinder, and let's underline this and put it in all caps happier. And this is from someone who was not depressed, who was very, very happy, who didn't have any problems. That was inviolent. It wasn't any of that. But still, wherever you are, you can go further. And I realized that I did not believe the organic view of humanity completely. I had this sense that there was a homunculus driving myself behind my eyeballs that was kind of my spirit that didn't care that it was functioning in a fat body. And as I started to lose that weight,”

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  44. “Four to five thousand calories a day, and we cut it back to probably 600. We're talking about very, very, but here is the thing that I'm most embarrassed about and also kind of like you often are with embarrassed things, most proud of having learned. Being an atheist, I did not believe in mind-body duality. I did not believe there was a spirit. I believe that I was my body and that all my thinking and all my love and all my awareness and all my consciousness, although nobody knows what consciousness is, but all of that did have an organic place. I believe that completely, or so I thought.”

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  45. “The madmen who burst into flames. That's who I want to love. And so he had me do contrast showers, you know, hot to cold back and forth. He had me eat potatoes whenever I wanted, but then I went down to very strict amounts of time. And there were things that I think were probably borderline irresponsible. We cut down my calorie intake enough that I was lightheaded, probably too much of the time.”

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  46. “And I went, oh, no one had ever said that to me before. No one. Always said you're going to cut down your portions a little bit, you'll have a smaller bit of dessert, and you'll lose a pound a week over the next hundred and fifty years, you know. We're going to do a nice and slow and easy. You won't even notice, Ben. You won't even notice. And he said, oh, it's going to be really hard. And I realized in that instant that nobody brags about walking up a grassy slope. They brag about climbing Everest. You know, I have never, ever wanted to do anything easy in my life. Why with my health was I decided that that was the thing that had to be easy. And I realized that not only do I not respect moderation, I don't respect people who have moderation. You know, I want, you know, I mean, want to quote the Kerouac here. I want the people that...”

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  47. “Vegetables and salads. And it was four months before I had a taste of fruit or nuts. And he also allowed me to not think that this was going to be forever. You know, oh, you'll have a steak again. You'll have steak. You'll have all that. But for right now, we're just going to do this. And he also, and I can't stress how important this is. And I think you've discovered this a lot in your work as well. But every time I tried to lose weight before, every fucking doctor, every article in the New York Times had always said, this is an easy way to weight loss. This is the easy way to weight loss. And it was like, as Brando says, an apocalypse, like a diamond bullet in my forehead, when I simple exchange. With Ray. And I said to him, so I can lose like 40 pounds easily. He went, no, it's going to be really, really hard.”

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  48. “And you are going to deal with me as though I had complete power. Now, you and I know, Penn, that at least half of what I think about this is wrong. We just don't know what half. We don't know what parts. So you're just going to go along with it and you're going to use all that cult stuff. Here's what you're going to do. First two weeks, you're eating nothing but potatoes, and that is going to knock you out of your social eating. And that is going to let you feel what hunger feels like, and that's going to let you see what the advertising looks like that will take the blinders away. And then we're going to add in food, and this is what you will eat every day up until here. And you are allowed none of this, this, this, this, or this. And I guess you want to hear what that is. So I did potatoes for two weeks. Then we added in some beans and chili and some rice.”

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  49. “Well, both Ray and I are atheists and skeptics. And we did a really interesting thing. Cray Ray said, you know, we know that there are things that work in joining a cult. And we also know that we can access things that we know are wrong to modify behaviors. So he said, You are going to decide to join my cult for this amount of time. And you are going to follow cult rules. And we both know their bullshit, but we're doing them just for fun. He said, you're not going to talk to anybody about what you're doing. You are going to cut off your family and friends from this. You are going to do whatever I say absolutely and without question.”

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  50. “Yeah. But he also says that in his experience, I am the only one that is followed every rule without one deviation point for the whole time.”

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