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Rachel Cusk

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“No, it feels like... Total discipline is required Yeah, I can't think of anything less sort of releasing and kind of unburdening. It's very, very much the opposite of that”
2024-12-27 · Intelligence Squared · The 12 Books of Christmas | Rachel Cusk on Art, Womanhood and Redefining Fiction · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Months later, at dawn on the ninth floor of a hotel in a northern city, standing before a view of astonishing ugliness, it became evident that our mother was accompanying us in a way she had not when she was alive Far below, people scurried across the concrete spaces in the cold grey morning. A violent wind was blowing. It shook the power lines and the leafless trees. It rattled the hoardings outside the shop fronts. It upended the litter bins and sent their contents whirling madly into the air.”
2024-12-27 · Intelligence Squared · The 12 Books of Christmas | Rachel Cusk on Art, Womanhood and Redefining Fiction · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“In fact, an unease remained which grew and which was our mother's impenetrable bequest to us. There ought to have been a feeling not of freedom but of loss. If there was loss then it was of something we had never had. We were free simply from the conundrum of this double loss. It was noted that at the funeral we had remained unmoved. It was a day of extreme, almost frightening heat, like the day of Merseau's mother's funeral at the beginning of Camus' Le Tranger. Massot's own seeming indifference that day was also noted. It later became a central piece of evidence in his trial and conviction as a heartless killer. Our indifference, likewise, a philosophical refutation of the social contract. Had we too run the risk of being arrested and convicted for the failure to adhere to cultural and moral norms.”
2024-12-27 · Intelligence Squared · The 12 Books of Christmas | Rachel Cusk on Art, Womanhood and Redefining Fiction · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It was the entrance of the coffin rather than the death itself that constituted the violence of this act. The coffin was shocking, and this must always be the case whether or not one disliked being confined to the facts as much as our mother had. Body inside the coffin was entirely factual. She had never seemed to take much notice of her body. It had been her vehicle, that was all, but its authority, it turned out, had been absolute. For a while afterwards, there was a feeling of lightness, a feeling almost of freedom. Violence of death had the appearance of a strange generosity. A capital sum had been returned to the living. We on the side of life had been in some way increased.”
2024-12-27 · Intelligence Squared · The 12 Books of Christmas | Rachel Cusk on Art, Womanhood and Redefining Fiction · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I'll just read this short couple of pages from the last section, which is the beginning and really of the we. Section is called The Spy. Not long ago our mother died, or at least her body did. The rest of her remained obstinately alive She took a considerable time to die and outlasted the nurse's predictions by many days, so that those of us who had been summoned to her bedside had to depart again and return to our lives. No one cried at her death, though among the congregation at the funeral there were some outbursts of shocked weeping, as though at the sight of death being surprised in the act of stealing from life.”
2024-12-27 · Intelligence Squared · The 12 Books of Christmas | Rachel Cusk on Art, Womanhood and Redefining Fiction · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Which I think only, because if you think about how if you wrote a story about, I don't know, domestic violence, say, if the violence that I was describing here was Something kind of known in my life or in a person's life. It would be much harder to. Connect it to anything outside itself. And I guess that's the other thing that I kind of discovered about that incident, that it's impersonality was A connection to other kinds of impersonality that we have so much of in our lives without even really ever admitting it.”
2024-12-27 · Intelligence Squared · The 12 Books of Christmas | Rachel Cusk on Art, Womanhood and Redefining Fiction · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So in the end, the kind of violence of that breaking down, I guess as long as I could see it in the context of other kinds more natural or more acceptable kinds of violence. It came in the end to feel sort of instructive.”
2024-12-27 · Intelligence Squared · The 12 Books of Christmas | Rachel Cusk on Art, Womanhood and Redefining Fiction · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“In a sense, I guess I thought in the end that it was a version of throwing all the tools away. It was kind of the same thing, being kind of broken down back to something. In the end, seemed, and again, it seems to me that that's a model that arises a lot in living, in the way that people live. And that's not to say that suffering is good for you or that suffering, I don't quite agree with Edward Louis, that suffering creates art or makes people artists. Suffering is bad and should be avoided. a loss of Belief that is a consequence of it and therefore a possibility to question structures of self and identity. So often end up obstructing change and obstructing one's access to truth.”
2024-12-27 · Intelligence Squared · The 12 Books of Christmas | Rachel Cusk on Art, Womanhood and Redefining Fiction · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“One would have to see it as meaningless, the event itself as meaningless. And I think that That really, in the end, was the clue to its meaning. Because I could not see how. Something like that could ever give rise to. A meaningful element of a book, but in the end I thought actually it opened, it unlocked a Resolutely closed door that led to the body and the question of Body's meaning and the body's life. And its memory and its experiences. I mean, I'm very nervous about using experiences that are exceptional, that are not things that happen to most people. But I felt that if you look at it as something in a chain, then actually it does happen to most people in one way or another.”
2024-12-27 · Intelligence Squared · The 12 Books of Christmas | Rachel Cusk on Art, Womanhood and Redefining Fiction · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Pays out this money, he says, and his mother is extremely grateful and their relationship. Improves, but he says if those things hadn't happened to me. So, if I hadn't written that book that my family so disapproved of, I would not now be able to help my mother. So if I hadn't written about how terrible my mother is, I would not now be able to save my mother. And in fact, if my mother hadn't been terrible, I would never have written the book that has saved my mother. So suffering, no suffering, no book, no suffering book. So it was kind of interesting, and I wasn't sure it sounded nice. I sort of thought, okay, I'll need to do the maths on this one a little bit more, but in terms of... This incident, the stunt man, the idea of the stunt man came from. I guess I thought that”
2024-12-27 · Intelligence Squared · The 12 Books of Christmas | Rachel Cusk on Art, Womanhood and Redefining Fiction · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It's funny, I was reading just now the most recent Edouard Louis book, Monique Cevad, about his mother getting away from The most recent of the dreadful men that she has. Of surrendered her freedom to and been kind of imprisoned by essentially over and over again. At a certain Has to give her money and this money that he gives her Enables her to survive because she has no capacity to survive on her own. And so it's very beautifully, it's a beautiful book, it's very beautifully described because he says I wrote. Because Edward Louis wrote this book, The End of Eddie, which was about the absolutely appalling, sordid violence and horror of his childhood and his family, including this mother. And his family were very, very angry and upset that he did this and he sort of severed relationship for a long time. And so as he”
2024-12-27 · Intelligence Squared · The 12 Books of Christmas | Rachel Cusk on Art, Womanhood and Redefining Fiction · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Despite having no name or identity of her own, the stuntman was what created both the possibilities and the artificiality of character. The violence and the unexpectedness of the incident in the street had caught my stunt man unawares.”
2024-12-27 · Intelligence Squared · The 12 Books of Christmas | Rachel Cusk on Art, Womanhood and Redefining Fiction · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Onlookers were pointing at her. She had stopped on the street corner and turned around, like an artist stepping back to admire her creation. Then she shook her fist in the air and she vanished It occurred to me in the time that followed that I had been murdered, and yet had nonetheless remained alive, and I found that I could associate this death in life with other events and experiences, most of which were consequences in one way or another of my biological femininity. Those female experiences I now saw had usually been attributed to an alternate or double self, whose role it was to absorb and confine them so that they played no part in the ongoing story of life. Could kind of stunt man, this alternate self took the actual risks in the manufacture of a fictional being whose exposure to danger was supposedly fundamental to its identity.”
2024-12-27 · Intelligence Squared · The 12 Books of Christmas | Rachel Cusk on Art, Womanhood and Redefining Fiction · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So, this This might be the last bit of Supposed autobiographical writing I will ever write. And they had to go through a lot of processes to get written. One morning, walking along a quiet, sunny street where people sat at pavement tables drinking coffee, I was attacked by a stranger who hit me forcibly in the head. My assailant was a woman deranged by madness or addiction, and this fact of her gender caused difficulties, both in the recounting of the event afterward and in my own response to it I had not noticed her approach or prepared myself for the blow, which left me bleeding on my hands and knees in the road, with no understanding of what had happened. The crowd instantly gathered. People rose from their tables, shouting and gesticulating. In the pandemonium, the woman walked away.”
2024-12-27 · Intelligence Squared · The 12 Books of Christmas | Rachel Cusk on Art, Womanhood and Redefining Fiction · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“That you could only be very sorry about whatever it is that is happening to people in As their lives can go on and. So I guess that I don't know if it's an answer. Because I think it is an answer in people's lives. I mean, the question why we read books, there's been lots and lots of more or less explanations of that, but actually why we look at things, why we look at created objects, paintings, things that have no words. And I think it might be this. Feeling of almost not wanting. Things to be described, not wanting them to, or that they're beyond description. So that was kind of where I'm trying to get in the book. And it's a kind of difficult. Thing to describe, in fact.”
2024-12-27 · Intelligence Squared · The 12 Books of Christmas | Rachel Cusk on Art, Womanhood and Redefining Fiction · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, I think I mean, one of the questions I had writing second place was about form and formlessness Trying to find Form that could possibly express this idea that I had about kind of post biological Female life so. Post everything, essentially that part of life for women and for men that seem to me that people sort of came out of emerged from gender in some way. But also this was a very, very undefined Phase of experience for a lot of people. And yeah, I found a strange form for that. I guess I was kind of back with that problem again in And yet it seemed that the problem had got even more sort of extreme, and particularly around Violence It felt like It felt like a crisis of that felt like a crisis of form that actually was part of people's lived experience, that there were no particular answers to.”
2024-12-27 · Intelligence Squared · The 12 Books of Christmas | Rachel Cusk on Art, Womanhood and Redefining Fiction · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I mean, I think My kind of Age old belief. About artists as being people who never left childhood, who've somehow managed to remain in the childhood. Really found its kind of opportunity here because The sort of terror of people in their lives trying to. Enact authority themselves trying to be adults, having to deal with their own parents dying or their children becoming adults. It felt to me like that terror of enacting the self in the various available structures to put that in a context of almost like the childlike authority of the artist was a very useful Thing to do, yeah, at this point.”
2024-12-27 · Intelligence Squared · The 12 Books of Christmas | Rachel Cusk on Art, Womanhood and Redefining Fiction · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It was It was an interesting moment of Feeling that something in the process of writing this book brought me to the end of I and of ever being able to use I ever again We being, I mean, it's something that Annie Arnaud does in the years. I promise I only thought of after I'd done it. I was not copying or not consciously anyway. It felt like a humble... Solution And I guess something connected with age and a feeling of... again belief structures and narrative structures kind of breaking down for everyone And one of The kind of beautiful possibilities of writing is to try to detect change and respond to change and to hear things changing. I guess it felt to me that again this may be something about a life stage, that that surrendering of And particularly narrative belief could be expressed as I becoming we.”
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“And it was also a There was so much conflict. Around by the time I wrote Aftermath, so much horrible conflict around that work. I suppose the trilogy was a kind of peacemaking enterprise. I'm just going to love. All I can do in this space that I've been put is to love others. The idea of engaging in some kind of argument or some response to unpleasantness, so yeah, I think it was... An attempt to find a peaceful solution.”
2024-12-27 · Intelligence Squared · The 12 Books of Christmas | Rachel Cusk on Art, Womanhood and Redefining Fiction · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Real anger such as I had not found a way of, you know, in all the provocative things I'd written that made other people so incredibly angry, I don't think I ever expressed any anger in my work. And suddenly, at the end of the trilogy, kind of there it was. So that felt like violence, I mean, those two things. So I think since then I've Towards, I don't know. Different way of symbolizing these things and a different way of expressing them.”
2024-12-27 · Intelligence Squared · The 12 Books of Christmas | Rachel Cusk on Art, Womanhood and Redefining Fiction · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Feeling that the difference between pornography and fiction was getting smaller and smaller and smaller. So I think I started the trilogy wanting... Just to change that information structure and knowledge structure, I wanted the book to know much, much less and the surface to say much, much more. And for that to give Some kind of integrity back to. The idea of a human being, which. I mean, I guess by the end of Kudos, I felt if I keep doing this because I literally could have written 20 books like that because once I'd understood how to do it, it was very, very tempting to keep on doing it. And in fact, I do do it a bit in this book. Yeah, it could have become a kind of parody of itself, but I guess I felt by the end that I've Felt much closer.”
2024-12-27 · Intelligence Squared · The 12 Books of Christmas | Rachel Cusk on Art, Womanhood and Redefining Fiction · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I guess I guess the trilogy was a Phase, a developmental phase towards that and definitely towards It's not really about... Depersonalizing exactly or sort of deadening the self, it's, I suppose, reproportioning the self in... Context of other things, and in terms of other things, and especially in terms of, I guess, what seemed to me A sort of grotesque loss of Kind of balance in the information content of the average novel and how that average novel was coming more and more to represent almost a space of personal fantasy of making things up and the person reading it sort of Installing or making things up in their own head in a kind of private transaction that has something slightly sordid about it for me.”
2024-12-27 · Intelligence Squared · The 12 Books of Christmas | Rachel Cusk on Art, Womanhood and Redefining Fiction · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Could be like a shape for living, could be interesting shapes for living because they were essentially non-narrative. So that was kind of where I started. I mean, yeah, most of the Gs in the book, in fact, all of them really are roughly based on possibly recognisable artists, which is a kind of fun game. I think a few people are already trying to play guessing who these people are. I suppose there is a Progression of sorts in terms of Artists who in the end, I guess succeeded in detaching their work from the story of themselves, which is very much where the book ends.”
2024-12-27 · Intelligence Squared · The 12 Books of Christmas | Rachel Cusk on Art, Womanhood and Redefining Fiction · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“So I've often felt that Lives of visual artists had Kind of immunity, partly because Wasn't possibly still is a kind of snobbery in the culture of visual arts about trying to interpret the image by means of a person, a character, or the sort of circumstances of their lives. And so there seemed to be a very... sort of startling and complete not just even a sort of disconnection but an actual obstruction of and okay in a few cases like Lucy and Freud for instance you know that then becomes a form of celebrity once the visual artist actually is using that self or that autobiography And it seemed to me that These lives that resulted in an image had some I don't know biographical form to them”
2024-12-27 · Intelligence Squared · The 12 Books of Christmas | Rachel Cusk on Art, Womanhood and Redefining Fiction · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Doubt G found this a preposterous thing to say, but G's wife was quietly satisfied because she herself felt that this reality G had so brilliantly elucidated, identical to its companion reality in every particular but for the complete inversion of its moral force was the closest thing she knew to the mystery and tragedy of her own sex.”
2024-12-27 · Intelligence Squared · The 12 Books of Christmas | Rachel Cusk on Art, Womanhood and Redefining Fiction · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Without her, he might still be an artist, but he would not really be a man. He would lack a home and children, would lack the conditions for the obliviousness of creating, or rather would quickly be destroyed by that obliviousness. So she thought that what he was really saying was that women could not be artists if men were going to be artists. Once she was in his studio for the visit of a female novelist who was struck as though by lightning by the upside down paintings. Much as G's wife had been herself. I want to write upside down, the woman exclaimed, with considerable emotion.”
2024-12-27 · Intelligence Squared · The 12 Books of Christmas | Rachel Cusk on Art, Womanhood and Redefining Fiction · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yes Actually, just wondering if I could. Find the bit in, but we haven't prepared that, so maybe I can't. So, there's just this little bit that I actually will read because it's kind of what we've just been talking about. So the early part of the book, all of the artists are called G in the book, but G changes, embodies lots of different artists. But the first G is the classic male G. The section is really sort of spoken by his wife in a sense. So I'll just read a little bit of that. She believed that women could not be artists. As far as G's wife was concerned, this was what most people believed. But it was unfortunate that he should be the one to say it out loud. She wondered whether it was her own indefatigable loyalty to him, her continual presence by his side that had brought him to this view.”
2024-12-27 · Intelligence Squared · The 12 Books of Christmas | Rachel Cusk on Art, Womanhood and Redefining Fiction · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Sort of progression towards the idea of the female creator and the terms of that as opposed to Standard egotistical man who is at the beginning of”
2024-12-27 · Intelligence Squared · The 12 Books of Christmas | Rachel Cusk on Art, Womanhood and Redefining Fiction · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I think one of the interesting things about living in our time, I don't mean this presumably is true of living in time generally is, and it's something that I... Increasingly, my work really, really tried to respond to is the changing conditions. And for the longest time, and I mean, this is why I really, really was interested in the idea of artists biographies, which is basically the form that parade takes. For the longest time, the male creator and what. What he needed to serve him in order for him to serve whatever vision, that authority was absolute. And then suddenly it changed. It is changing. That authority has been called into question. Those men are being questioned. And that seems such an amazing moment to interrogate, I guess, and part of what happens in the book is”
2024-12-27 · Intelligence Squared · The 12 Books of Christmas | Rachel Cusk on Art, Womanhood and Redefining Fiction · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Because this is Narrative becomes actively repellent. I suppose this was the first stirring of my feeling about that, that not only could... Or a human when in states of extreme personal identity where the difference between being you and being that person over there is everything and there's a handful of... Experiences in life that are like that, including dying, but having a child is one of them. In that condition, you can't, you know, the idea of a narrative escape, you can't read a book, you can't watch a film, you can't escape, you can't desert the sight of your body. And I couldn't, as a... Consumer of narrative. And I certainly couldn't imagine. I suppose, yeah, the falsity of that idea really, really hit me with writing a life's work.”
2024-12-27 · Intelligence Squared · The 12 Books of Christmas | Rachel Cusk on Art, Womanhood and Redefining Fiction · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Did not belong in the books I was writing or as far as I could see the books most people were writing. And so this kind of uncomfortable producing of memoirs, I mean, I guess that was the word because no one said autofiction in those days. Was a kind of schism.”
2024-12-27 · Intelligence Squared · The 12 Books of Christmas | Rachel Cusk on Art, Womanhood and Redefining Fiction · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Because I'm female and my biological life is like this, and I have to take care of that and then pretend that it doesn't exist so that I can go and do this other thing. And that's very often. Way the world requires women to be, but it interests me that I think women writers do that too. There's a moment at which they think, am I obliged because of my identity to serve this material just because I've had a baby does that mean I have to talk about it and write about it or can I just do what men do and write about the things that I'm interested in? And for whatever reason, for me the answer was no. I had to I felt, I don't know, a duty, I suppose. And those experiences”
2024-12-27 · Intelligence Squared · The 12 Books of Christmas | Rachel Cusk on Art, Womanhood and Redefining Fiction · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“Yeah, I mean, it definitely started as a Another example of the compartmentalization that really, really seemed to characterize motherhood, for instance, or the sort of early experience of motherhood. I definitely, and maybe this sort of early idea that I started with, and presumably I'm not the only writer who started like that of a kind of formality. Or a canonical rigidity to the novel. And suddenly I was having experiences as a woman that I could find no way to put in the novels that I was writing. I look back on that as very much a crossroads for want of, I can't think of a better word than that, where I think a lot of women not just writers, women who work for companies go one way and then some other people go the other way. But the right hand turn, which is to say, okay, this stuff is happening to me because...”
2024-12-27 · Intelligence Squared · The 12 Books of Christmas | Rachel Cusk on Art, Womanhood and Redefining Fiction · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“It's really difficult learning how to write. I mean, I really remember learning how to write and knowing that that's what I was doing. And I had a feeling. I mean, certainly a voice, I was a voice, I had a voice. But then there was this citadel or more than that, this culture, this canon, this history. And I think I felt I was really young, I was like 24 or something when I wrote my first book. I think I felt I had to go the long way. Like everybody else, maybe if I'd started writing later, I would have started further on. I probably would have done.”
2024-12-27 · Intelligence Squared · The 12 Books of Christmas | Rachel Cusk on Art, Womanhood and Redefining Fiction · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I guess expressing Something about their violent Nature, I've annoyed a lot of people and provoked a lot of strong reactions, but also, I guess, asserted this question about morality. At the same moment that you Experience the violence of having a child? Can you also use language to morally serve that experience? And I don't think that's something that people necessarily have the time or ability to do in the lived moment, but it has seemed to me that if I could live the moment and do that thing too, that would be valuable.”
2024-12-27 · Intelligence Squared · The 12 Books of Christmas | Rachel Cusk on Art, Womanhood and Redefining Fiction · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I mean, I guess I think with hindsight. I've tried to assert some idea of Moral authority, not that I have moral authority, but a belief that morality is authoritative in living. And alongside that, an increasing realization that living is violent and nationality is violent, gender is violent, parenthood is violent, marriage is violent, these structures that we live in do violence to us. I think this has been my experience of getting older and maybe not wiser but more experienced is Not seeing the violence outside that we have so much information about as an attack so much but as being part of a sort of shared or I suppose the culmination of a shared landscape in which violence is inherent. I suppose by sticking very closely to Those elements of personal experience that seem to me to be shared or sort of relatively universal.”
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“Yeah, I mean, the I suppose the impulse is to be free and that impulse could. Almost be reduced to. An instinct to free yourself from anything it is that you have. And I mean, I think this is something that people easily experience in their lives, not necessarily because they want to. I mean, very often against their own will, but when one loses familiar structures. You're left with a very, very, very different kind of conundrum and an opportunity to change, and it's extremely frightening. So I guess I am willing to be frightened in that way.”
2024-12-27 · Intelligence Squared · The 12 Books of Christmas | Rachel Cusk on Art, Womanhood and Redefining Fiction · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I mean, I think if it isn't the most difficult thing you could possibly do, then that's probably a sign that you're repeating yourself. I guess the difficulty Was enhanced by the fact that I really felt A doubt about language, I guess, and language structures, and that partly being the result of moving to France, moving into a different language culture, reading a lot in French. Beginning to think much more about what made it possible to read in another language. So what is this system that I can sort of do this in a different language? and also the kind of preoccupation, I guess, that Has grown and grown in me about. About the image Language and a desire to move closer to that. And how to do that in language. So in that sense, the difficulty was... Was kind of Mystical in some way because I couldn't find language.”
2024-12-27 · Intelligence Squared · The 12 Books of Christmas | Rachel Cusk on Art, Womanhood and Redefining Fiction · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“To write that book, and so you have to go and find a whole new set of tools. So I think, and I thought about that and thought. That's true and so. I guess each book feels more unknown to me. As I sort of try and find it. Sort of discerning what it is, because that also involves I guess forgetting who I am and having to come up with some new definition of that every time.”
2024-12-27 · Intelligence Squared · The 12 Books of Christmas | Rachel Cusk on Art, Womanhood and Redefining Fiction · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT
“I had an interesting conversation with our mutual friend Sheila Hetty when she was in Paris just now. She Oh, the thing about you is that I get the feeling that every time you write something, when you finish, you throw away all the tools.”
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