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2023-03-20 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 10: Rahima Mahmut: The Uyghur Genocide · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“desert. There's no, you know, there's no way, but it's just kind of a message also shows the optimism that the Uyghurs always have. And that's how we survive in the midst of the horror people still find way to be happy and to find hope. So this Karem, when you listen to the voice, it's very, very sad. the melody is very sad but also end with something really kind of uplifting that you know i can turn the deserts into oasis”
2023-03-20 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 10: Rahima Mahmut: The Uyghur Genocide · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So Tarim, the lyrics was written by someone who didn't dare to reveal the identity in the 60s, when large number of young Urs were taken to Tradham labor camp. One of the most notorious camps in the desert near the Trarum River is the second largest desert in the world, it's Teklamakan Desert that those camps still exist. Those prisoners still are forced to pick cotton there. So this was a song written about that tragedy that the person who was going to Taram. And it says, if you come to Taram, I will adorn you with flowers. And it's something that is impossible, it's in that middle of.”
2023-03-20 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 10: Rahima Mahmut: The Uyghur Genocide · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Oh, definitely. They have been soft. The amount of waste, pollution, it's just unbelievable. I mean, I worked in the petrochemical industry. I know that when I came to this country, I studied my master's degree is environmental waste management. And when I look at the standard that this country set up and the most Western world, I mean that China is far from it. The residential buildings and the distance from the petrochemical plants that you can see from your balcony, this smoke. That is in the air. And one of the highest of my country has the highest cancer rates in China because also the nuclear explosion that's the base, nuclear test base. So this is another important issue that the world should really tackle Should really condemn China for it.”
2023-03-20 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 10: Rahima Mahmut: The Uyghur Genocide · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Not only just that one, but that's one of the reasons. One of the many, many other reasons, other accusations that the Chinese government made.”
2023-03-20 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 10: Rahima Mahmut: The Uyghur Genocide · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And they use the word jihad. And jihad there doesn't mean that nowadays jihad. Jihad is always used as a word that you fight against the invader. Defend your land, your people, and your religion. But Chinese government used that word, said that he is spreading.”
2023-03-20 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 10: Rahima Mahmut: The Uyghur Genocide · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“This song we come back to this song, Atlar is father's. The lyrics says that people always praise about their mothers. All the songs is about mothers. There are fathers, you know, we have these fathers. Yes, the fathers who were the heroes, you know, who fought on the horseback, defended our land.”
2023-03-20 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 10: Rahima Mahmut: The Uyghur Genocide · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“He was forced to become silent in order to, I think, to receive all those funds. And, you know, I condemn that. But compared to many other countries, including the neighboring countries, Turkey still stood up for Ur ⁇ and we had so many large number of Uyghurs trapped in Turkey after this atrocities started from 2016. So they're living there, although we have several being returned sadly. We still consider Turkey as our hope, as our second. And so I don't want to go into too much.”
2023-03-20 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 10: Rahima Mahmut: The Uyghur Genocide · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, of course, we feel very frustrated and sad. Because Erdogan said in 2009, the July 5th massacre, he was the only leader in the world called Chinese government committing genocide. He did. Within one month, he had to apologize. And then the Chinese government went after him to appease and to take the opportunity to give money, invest, because, you know, the Erdogan's regime became distant from the, you know, the US after the coup and a lot of difficulties. So has he been silent?”
2023-03-20 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 10: Rahima Mahmut: The Uyghur Genocide · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Later there was a rumor about Abdrahim died in prison so that Turkey, the foreign office first time condemned with the strongest term of the Chinese government killing this poet and singer. Then two days later there was a video, the Chinese government produced a video clip and you can see on YouTube of this video Abdrahim when you watch YouTube of his songs he is a very good looking and is kind of very dignified, powerful, that kind of figure and most of the songs is also is like about your culture, the pride and the history, who are those kind of lyrics that he composed into songs. Appeared on this video as a prisoner. You can see his head was shaven. He's just a completely different man. And he said they are investigating me. They didn't torture me. I am okay. But this just shows the brutality. You know, there is no bottom line.”
2023-03-20 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 10: Rahima Mahmut: The Uyghur Genocide · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yes, we believe he is in prison. So there is a story about Abdrahim. So after he was arrested, because he's so well known, and especially really loved by the Turks, one of the songs called Kashlashkanda means when we encounter under the lyrics by Abdurrahim Utgur, I mentioned that this man is one of the most prominent and beloved poets in So”
2023-03-20 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 10: Rahima Mahmut: The Uyghur Genocide · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Two is a Persian and Dutar is stringed. So Abdrahim, we heard that he was arrested. For singing this song called Atlar Fathers. The lyrics was by Yalkun Rose is another very well-known cultural figure who actually helped create the children's books as well, school books. And now he is serving, I think, about 20 years prison sentence for his writings and also defending the Uyghur culture.”
2023-03-20 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 10: Rahima Mahmut: The Uyghur Genocide · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I don't believe any error went there voluntarily. It's the traffickers. God knows how much money these people made for handing over a 13-year-old child to the hand of the ISIS. So when he told me the story first time for many nights, I couldn't sleep. I was thinking about this child and also thinking about Al-Drahim who also lost contact with all his children and his wife, he know that imprisoned for 11 years for giving birth to many children.”
2023-03-20 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 10: Rahima Mahmut: The Uyghur Genocide · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So he told the guy that please look after my son until I arrive. So he followed one month later. So he said, before he left Malaysia, he spoke to his son. And when he arrived, he cannot get hold of him. Then a week later, he learned his son was in Syria. And then when he reached 14, I think it was Christmas time, he received a message from the ISIS that his son is now going to carry out the mission suicide mission. He's dead. Three older children I know happened.”
2023-03-20 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 10: Rahima Mahmut: The Uyghur Genocide · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“In Kashgar at that time in 1997. So after serving three years prison, then He got married, he had children, but life wasn't alive for him over there because of the censorship. So he left illegally with his eldest son who was 11 or 12 years old, trafficked, just paying a lot of money to the trafficker. So they were in Malaysia for almost a year waiting to be taken to Turkey to transfer to Turkey. He met quite a lot of Uhurs waiting for the same transfer by these traffickers. And one day the trafficker said, we have a plane, we can put several people to that, but we cannot have you and your son. One of you have to go first. So Abdraim thought it's better for his son to go because he befriended several people. During the time when they lived in Malaysia illegally”
2023-03-20 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 10: Rahima Mahmut: The Uyghur Genocide · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And it was on the eve of the Hong Kong was taken back, you know, the return of Hong Kong to the CCP. Apparently it was because it's a sensitive time. Normally when there, when they call it a sensitive time, they arrest a lot of people.”
2023-03-20 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 10: Rahima Mahmut: The Uyghur Genocide · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Exactly why your people go to ISIS because you're not fighting the Chinese. It's just, it doesn't make sense whatsoever. The traffickers benefited from these people because they're so desperate want to get out. They came to Turkey. then without knowing they were transferred to the hand of ISIS, I know one example, if you allow me, I would like to share this. This poet Abdrahim Paraj, who is one of the top poets living in exile in Turkey. And I have huge respect for him. His story is absolutely heartbreaking. So he served three years in prison because he celebrated the life of Abdraim Utgur, one of the most prominent and well-known poets of our time when he was studying in Kashgar University literature.”
2023-03-20 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 10: Rahima Mahmut: The Uyghur Genocide · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“There's no Islamic threat in my view. It's a bunch of people just become so desperate. There are people in this country, in America as well. You develop mental problem after either because of a certain personal problems In my country, especially from 1989 during the 80s and then after I left, the regime, the way of life, the Uyghurs just not life”
2023-03-20 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 10: Rahima Mahmut: The Uyghur Genocide · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, similar things happened to Uyurs in Kazakhstan, in Central Asian countries, neighboring countries. So far, not in Europe or America. So one thing that I do believe, although China is brutal, but they also a country that care about its face.”
2023-03-20 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 10: Rahima Mahmut: The Uyghur Genocide · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“No, I'm not scared that I'm concerned. I'm kind of fearless person. If I am scared, I wouldn't be doing what I'm doing. I just overcome that long, long time ago.”
2023-03-20 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 10: Rahima Mahmut: The Uyghur Genocide · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yes, I just thought that in my mind is like because US is far more powerful than many, many other countries, maybe they feel that they are confident they can confront, they can say it, they can call it. But I thought with the US leading, then other countries would follow as well. And after the parliament voted, and I thought that the UK government will also call it genocide, but they didn't”
2023-03-20 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 10: Rahima Mahmut: The Uyghur Genocide · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, the Trump administration called it genocide. Pompey was very, very outspoken. He met several survivors. They heard From their directly from them about what is happening, including gang rape victim. And I do believe, I would like to believe, that the decision was made based on the evidence and all the, because there are so many leaked documents and experts like Dr. Adrian Zenz, who's based in US, produced the most professional reports based on the Chinese own documents, own open sources. And I would like to believe in that. Of course, you know, there are political situations, but I'm not a politician.”
2023-03-20 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 10: Rahima Mahmut: The Uyghur Genocide · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And plus the leaked documents, 400 pages leaked documents then last year, the police file of the faces almost 3,000 detainees, the faces of youngest 15-year-old, and the oldest was 72. You can just see the horror on their faces. You know, even for the UN to release its report, We had to wait month after month. And Michelle Bachlet released her report four minutes before her term ended, four minutes before her term ended. She just wasn't able to release that report, called it may conclude crimes against humanity, didn't dare to call it genocide. They diluted a lot of information regarding the Abortion and forced sterilization part in order not to call it genocide.”
2023-03-20 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 10: Rahima Mahmut: The Uyghur Genocide · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“very frustrating is extremely extremely frustrating and I know we are facing one of the biggest power and especially because of the economic power over many different countries but I thought at least the UK and countries like Canada and European countries would put human rights above the you know the economic benefits, interests but the reality is the genocide is happening since 2017 there are undeniable proof evidence satellite image of the camps drawn footage that many people might have seen Andrew Marshall when he interviewed the China's ambassador and showed that that clip. Drawn footage of blind folding”
2023-03-20 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 10: Rahima Mahmut: The Uyghur Genocide · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“UK government is not accepting this is genocide. They say court has to decide, but we don't have court to go to one. China has a veto power, another is not a member. And even though the independent Uyghur tribunal led by Sir Jeffrey Nice declared this genocide based on the sheer number of women being forcibly sterilized and forced abortion. However, the government's reluctant to call it genocide.”
2023-03-20 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 10: Rahima Mahmut: The Uyghur Genocide · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So far, the only government that called a genocide is US. And the parliament's Canadian parliament is the first parliament that declared as genocide. The government's still not. And Holland as well, including this country, the parliament. So what was the position?”
2023-03-20 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 10: Rahima Mahmut: The Uyghur Genocide · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“He knows that they were listening. That's why he cannot say more than what he said. Otherwise, he would have asked, how are you? How are you doing as always? Because after I had cancer, if I didn't call him within a week, he used to complain and say, we worry about you. You know, you should call us more often. And I also know that they listen well before these camps and also the Established the police state from 2009 after the Urumqi Massacre, because I read some of their own documents. It said, no blind spot. You know, the cameras installed everywhere. And we know the checkpoints set up, especially after 2014. since 2013 she took power. So we all were very aware that's why when we spoke over the phone, we were very careful.”
2023-03-20 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 10: Rahima Mahmut: The Uyghur Genocide · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yes, I just thought about, you know, if my mother was alive, you know, for so many years. not being able to speak to me, I felt fortunate that my mother died before all this happened. So at least during that time I was able to call her. We kept a very close relationship until she died. So that is the kind of feelings and reasons behind me for composing this song. And I thought also, you know, through art, through music, through songs that you can reach more people.”
2023-03-20 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 10: Rahima Mahmut: The Uyghur Genocide · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Not only just being in exile because that is also banned. For any families have relatives, even sons or daughters abroad, regardless whether they are activists or involved in anything, they just banned them from speaking from 2016 because they didn't want all this news about the camps and all that to spread to the exile world. Under the content itself, Really, really touched my heart. I felt this as a mother.”
2023-03-20 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 10: Rahima Mahmut: The Uyghur Genocide · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So it's called My Dear Son, when will you return? So when I read this poem by Mohammed Abdul Mejid, an exiled poet who lives in Turkey, who didn't speak to his mother for many years, just like me.”
2023-03-20 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 10: Rahima Mahmut: The Uyghur Genocide · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Everything is censored. It has to be their way, what you call Chinese characteristics. It has to be even religion. So now we know that even Nurseries, primary schools, bands. Work language. So I can name hundreds of writers that I used to admire, I still admire, of because I admire, they're all in prison. They're poets, writers. They're all serving 16, 20 years in prison, professors from universities who resisted when the announcement came that they are not allowed to teach in Uyur. And all the Uyghur language class has to be stopped. So that is the reason why I think you can imagine you, someone suddenly forced you to speak a different language after invaded your country, how would you feel?”
2023-03-20 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 10: Rahima Mahmut: The Uyghur Genocide · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So to me, for one to be happy, food and shelter is not enough. We need another type of sustenance, something that satisfies your soul. And for me as Uyghur, my soul cannot be satisfied if I'm not allowed to speak my language, if I am not allowed to sing the songs that I grow up with.”
2023-03-20 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 10: Rahima Mahmut: The Uyghur Genocide · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Was I was a very, very lucky one. I think they do look after cancer patients very gently. I mean, if I were in China, you know, many people cannot afford chemotherapy. It's just far too expensive.”
2023-03-20 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 10: Rahima Mahmut: The Uyghur Genocide · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yes. So I also, a cancer survivor, you know, I had grade three cancer in 2013. I remember the first week I had panic attack when I was told that cancer might have spread. But then after I learned that it wasn't spread, I was very happy and I felt like I accept it. After I accepted everything become very easy.”
2023-03-20 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 10: Rahima Mahmut: The Uyghur Genocide · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yes, and he was never interested in this, you know, my activism, although he is very interested in promoting our culture. That gave me kind of hope, it just kind of lifted me off this burden and this sadness. So my focus was more on what to do rather than, you know, just dwell on to this kind of sadness. And after a while, you get used to it because the Uhurs also have a saying, said you will get used to hell after seven days.”
2023-03-20 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 10: Rahima Mahmut: The Uyghur Genocide · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, first six months was very difficult. One day I was crying in the kitchen while cooking. My son walked in and saw me. I normally don't show my emotion too much because I don't want to burden him. So he came to me and he just hugged me tightly and he said, mom, please be strong. We will fight back. We will be strong. Things will not, shouldn't be like this all the time. It will change.”
2023-03-20 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 10: Rahima Mahmut: The Uyghur Genocide · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I heard that that word as Salaam alaikum was banned. I didn't believe. I thought it can't be. You know, this is such a common, like, it's just when you call how are you? It's for us. It's like, how are you? Then I said, why no one is answering my colleague? He said, they did the right thing. Please leave us in God's hands. We leave you in God's hand too. And he put the phone there. So I can hear the fear from my brother's voice. And from what I remember, all my brothers were like fearless, very dignified and that's how my father was as well. But I can understand the threat. It might have been warned by the police that if you ever, you know, answer the call or if you call her, then you will be taken to the camps. And I think maybe that was...”
2023-03-20 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 10: Rahima Mahmut: The Uyghur Genocide · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Said why, because as Muslim and my father is very religious man, so we from a very young age, when we greet anyone, even when we speak over on the phone, the first thing we say, Assalamu alaikum, in a Muslim way of greeting.”
2023-03-20 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 10: Rahima Mahmut: The Uyghur Genocide · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yes, from August 2016. No one would answer my phone calls. People removed me from VCAT. We had a VCAT family group, friend groups. For two months, I cannot get hold of anyone, and I thought maybe the new year, normally, you know, we send messages and I wasn't, there's no news. In the end, on the 3rd of January, I called my eldest brother, just his landline and didn't stop for almost two hours. I thought someone has to answer my call. I need to know what happened because I heard a lot of rumors at the time that they implemented some really very tough policies and the people are disappearing from people who are still communicating with their families. And then after this 20, 30, maybe 50 phone call, my brother answered.”
2023-03-20 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 10: Rahima Mahmut: The Uyghur Genocide · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I don't have any answers to this. You might know from my story. The last time I spoke to my eldest brother, after two months, I cannot get hold of them was January the 3rd, 2017. It's very difficult to even find out any information.”
2023-03-20 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 10: Rahima Mahmut: The Uyghur Genocide · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Two years, two years. And then they applied for visa in 2001, it was refused. Then 2002, when they applied to come to attend my graduation ceremony, that was approved. And that's how we reunited.”
2023-03-20 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 10: Rahima Mahmut: The Uyghur Genocide · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“It wasn't possible to obtain a visa, the immigration. One of the criteria for you to get visa, whether you're going to go back or you're going to stay. So that is a very hard decision.”
2023-03-20 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 10: Rahima Mahmut: The Uyghur Genocide · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Discrimination is so systematic there. I worked at the petrol industry for four years in the end. I had to live. I cannot cope and I became a lecturer at a college. Then after 1997, February 5th, Agulja massacre, that's where I am from. I was visiting my family during the school holiday with my son who was only a year and a half at that time. So this peaceful protest met with Chinese CCP violence killing over 100. And then this terror started from that night. Door to door raid and take away men, young men. So that really made me to make this decision.”
2023-03-20 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 10: Rahima Mahmut: The Uyghur Genocide · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I was teaching, I graduated from a petrochemical background, Dahlian University of Technology. In fact, I was in Tien in 1989 as well. So my activism didn't just start after I came here. I was one of the students in Yemen.”
2023-03-20 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 10: Rahima Mahmut: The Uyghur Genocide · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“We believe up to 3 million. But from the UN report, that first time they reported in August 2018, it said up to 1 million in re-education camps. But we believe the numbers are far, far higher.”
2023-03-20 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 10: Rahima Mahmut: The Uyghur Genocide · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“not re education but that's what they call it yeah that's what they call it it's torture camps it's concentration camps i translate it for many survivors who”
2023-03-20 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 10: Rahima Mahmut: The Uyghur Genocide · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well known for its call, many different minerals and jade, you name it. So of course as any kind of colonizers, the wealth is extremely important. But this paranoia, that feeling not at home, feeling that the Uyghurs always resented and they feel that they are not the owner of that land. And in order to completely feel safe, so then you convert everyone to think like them.”
2023-03-20 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 10: Rahima Mahmut: The Uyghur Genocide · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, I mean, in my mind, it's very difficult to understand, but I can, like you said, I can think from their point of view, it's a paranoia. Paranoia is that the Chinese government, including the people, never felt home. Because in 1949, when Chinese Communist Party invaded or took over, 4-5% population were Chinese. The rest were the Uyghur and other Turkic groups like Uzbeks, Tatars, Qazak, Kyrgyz, and Huai Muslim also. And now when we look at it, it's about in the city, some cities, there are more than 50% and they are in control of all the wealth, petrol, gold, all the mines. We say black and white gold. White is a cotton, cotton 84% China's cotton comes from the region. And then you have coal, where I come from, is a very known.”
2023-03-20 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 10: Rahima Mahmut: The Uyghur Genocide · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Completely wipe out the identity, not necessarily physically wipe out the whole entire Ur people, but the identity, the language, the religion. And everything that means or reflects who we are as Uyghurs.”
2023-03-20 · The Rest Is Politics: Leading · 10: Rahima Mahmut: The Uyghur Genocide · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Well, according to the Chinese official census, it's approximately 12 million. I'd say that the U.S. are 12 million. But we are people, we believe we are about 20 to 25 because historically, especially since the occupation by the CCP Chinese government, they hide certain facts in order to make us to look very minority.”
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