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Raphael Rowe

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“Are because when I say I'm going to have a chat with this guy, Steve Bartlett on Diary of the CEO, which I've listened to on numerous occasions, it's like, oh my God. So, you know, you're a successful guy, but there are lots of people out there who are inspired by what you do. And you know that because of the way you interact and the people that... But we must never underestimate the position we're in to influence people to help other people.”
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“Thank you, Seva. I do appreciate you saying that. And I'll leave you with this thought. We make mistakes in life, it doesn't define who we can become. And anybody could end up in prison. You get, and leave me today, you get into your car, you pull out, and before you know it, you have an accident. That was no fault of your own. But the person in the car that you crashed dies, you end up going to prison for manslaughter. That doesn't make you a bad person. Doesn't make you guilty of something that you intend to do or anything like that. That's all I'm trying to say is that message is don't judge somebody because of what they've done. There are plenty of people that you can judge for what they've done. But in my space, you know, criminal justice, prisons, not everybody in there is a bad person. Some people have just made mistakes. And I think every time you make a mistake, whether you cheat on someone, do what you shouldn't be doing, you shouldn't be punished for that in the way that some people are being punished around the globe in prison. So thanks for having me on. And I appreciate your being inspired by who I am and what I do. As I am you, of course, and I know lots of other people.”
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“Think it's going back to the question of my son. I think the mistake I made. Maybe walking out of that courtroom and And giving up on what I should have done, I think that might have been a mistake. Although I know it was the right decision at the time, but the consequences of my actions on that day has meant that I've never been able to discover anything about my son. So if I could correct that mistake, that would be the one I think to go back and see what would have come of that. It would have been lovely to be able to hand these diaries over to my son, although now he can probably read my book. So the diaries probably are worthless, but they are more to him. So I think that would be the mistake I would go back and correct.”
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“Before I went to prison where university did mean something, education did mean something, aspirations of having a job meant something to her. And it was the same when I met her only this time, I'd heard of those things. I was aware of those things. And now it made sense why she was driven in that way. So we started that relationship and we lived together and then she fell pregnant with my son. And then we went to Jamaica, got married. And as I say, she's probably the first and only woman I've ever loved.”
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“And that's how our love began actually, our relationship, we started to see each other, spent more time as you come to spend more time at my flat. And then we bought a house together. And I fell in love. I fell in love for the very first time at 32 years old. I think I'd always been in love with her because she was so different to any other woman girl that I'd ever met in my life. And by that, I go back to that growing up in a council estate where no one around me had any ambition, girls or boys. No parent had any ambition, no word like university existed in our orbit. But she was the first person I'd met in my life.”
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“When we started another little bit of a relationship, so we kind of had this whirlwind. I was still trying to live it up. I was kind of wanting to go clubs and do all the things that you do that you've missed out on or thought that you'd missed out on. She'd had all that in her university years studying German and French at university.”
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“After that brief meeting, we said goodbye, ask for a number like you do, and she wouldn't give me a number. I'm still just discovering how mobile phones work, but anyway, I answered her number. She wouldn't give me her number. She had my number, and then we were on London Bridge platform. I was on one side of the platform going one way. She was on, I was living in East London at the time and she was on the other platform going south London and then, you know, kind of waving before the trains come and across the platforms. This is genuine across the platforms. My phone went ping, opened my phone, and it was her number. And she was standing there on her phone and she sent me her number at that moment.”
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“She was still the very focus, determined person that she is and smart and clever and beautiful and sexy and all the things that make you attracted to an individual. And I tried to chatter up, I think. I tried to chatter up again in the same way I tried to chatter up when we were teenagers. Didn't quite work because after we'd spent some time together and it was really interesting because I was her first love. And although she'd gone on to live her life and have relationships, I don't think you ever lose your love for the first person you love. I don't know because I'd never been in love up until that point. I'm 32 and I'd never been in love”
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“Wanting to meet me and people in her family not wanting her to meet me because they thought I would just bring bad to her again because she went through a real tough time and I don't ever know what that must have been like for her because she was interrogated by the police as was many other people that were associated with me at the time and that must have been very traumatic for them themselves. But we agreed to meet in London Bridge where she was working at the time and we did meet and when I saw her and she saw me. It was as if those 12 years didn't happen yet. We both aged. I'd matured.”
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“I was still caught up in being 20 years old, but given she was only one of a very few people who didn't turn against me, didn't tell lies, stood firm, not because she was a tough, resilient person, but because she wasn't telling lies. She wasn't persuaded. She comes from a good family who obviously didn't want to have very much to do with me now. So when I came out of prison, Steve, there was a handful of people I wanted to say thank you to. And we talked about thank you and gratitude. So I arranged to meet with Nancy despite her.”
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“Where everybody was telling lies. When I was convicted, big decisions needed to be made. Obviously, she needed to get on with the rest of her life. I was destined to spend the rest of mine in prison. And that's exactly what happened. But I did have a picture, one picture of her alongside my family on my wall whenever I stayed in a cell long enough to stick it up there. And she was a teenager. And she remained a teenager in all those 12 years, as did I, you know, although I was 32 when I got out and she was now in late 20s.”
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“And at that point in her life, she did have all the things that I didn't have ambition. She was, you know, Edgar at school. She was destined to go to university. She was learning different languages. She went on holiday. I hadn't even left southeast London. You know, my first time on a plane at 32, going to, I think it was Futa Ventura. I saw the waves splashing and thought it was sharks. I was 32 years old. That's how naive I was. So Nancy is her name. And we had a very brief relationship just before I got locked up. And during the time that I was on remand, she came to visit me in a horrible environment. You know, I was a category A prisoner, which meant anybody come and visit me got stripped, search, search to visit me. So she endured quite a lot at such a young age. She stuck by me in that early period.”
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“I think my love story is not after prison. It actually started long before I actually went to prison because the woman that I married was a girlfriend before I got wrongfully arrested, convicted and imprisoned.”
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“When you asked me about my foundation and I say to you, look, this is what I'm trying to do. What do you think about something where people are trying to help people Or the environment”
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“And so, you know, it's great to hear that you've taken the time to go into a prison to find out what that's like. It is a secret world. But it is a world that holds people like you and me, brothers, sons, husbands, lovers and potential for being all those things as well, guys, that are dependent on drugs. More importantly, many prisoners suffer from mental health issues. And those issues are not being addressed if the resources are not being put into those places to address those issues. So I admire the fact that, you know, you're not just watching Netflix and inside the world's toughest prisons and me getting stripped or threatened or whatever, but you're taking time out of your busy schedule, as is your team to go into a prison, whatever your motive, I don't care what the motive is, the fact that you've gone in there and learned something, come away, felt this.”
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“Well, that depends what comes with this conversation is the team. But I love the idea, listen, you're a man who's successful, right? And you've taken some time out of your day to go into a prison. Talk to guys, you don't even realize the impact that you probably made because these are guys that have probably never been in a space like the space that you shared with them or heard somebody. And I know you've got a bit of a backstory yourself, which is why Steve's coming on my podcast, but you have a little bit of a backstory where, you know, you wasn't born with a silver spoon or a gold spoon in your mouth. You know, I know, I don't know your story and I don't want to know it until you share it with me because I think that's the best way of learning something. If you've got a book, I might be tempted to read bits of this or I can inform myself. But I discover.”
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“At the moment, which is probably the most important piece of work that I've done in my whole journalistic career. So I'm not going to raise anything that has given me the tools to be the person I am, love the way I love, care the way I care, and make the difference that I want to make.”
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“In the years that I was imprisoned, I think I met every type of character man you could possibly meet, you know, because not every prisoner is the same. There are guys in there who are entrepreneurs and have earned millions of pounds, but they killed their wife in a moment of madness. There are guys in there who came from council of states like me who got caught up in knife crime and violence and drugs. So there are all types of prisoners. You know, I talk to various people who are fraudsters who run successful businesses, whether it's Wall Street or some new dot-com business. I had a guy on my podcast the other day lost billions of pounds, John Lefrey, who set up the first Nutella business, which is one of the very first dot-coms before PayPal started and stuff. So I had him on my second chance podcast the other day. Multi-zillionaire, still a multi-zillionaire, but he did end up in prison. So you come across all types of characters in prison. And that allows me to do the work that I do in the environment that I work in.”
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“Because I am who I am because of my life experiences and the journey that I've been on and the people that I've met along the way, things that I've witnessed, the things that I've learned about others and about myself, I have this skill is how I'm going to describe it, right? We all have a skill of some kind. Yours is making money, running businesses and having a brilliant podcast. I learned a skill and I alluded to it earlier on where I read the character of men for so long in such an intimate way that it does put me in a position of survival when I go into these prisons, when I look a guy in the eye who's killed five ten people, and I'm in a room with him on my own or I'm interviewing him and his behavior, his characteristics, trust me when I say this, he's”
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“Would I press the button that would erase who I am? No. That's what it's doing. It's not erasing. A trauma, is it? It's not erasing an experience. It's erasing who I am. That's what you do when you press a button like that. You're erasing the person you are and I'd never raise who I am. I'm proud of who I am. I'm pleased to. About what I do, who I become, people that are in my life, my mission, what I've learned, what I've lost, and to press that button, I'd be erasing all of that. And I wouldn't do that. Even if it was to just erase that period.”
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“Towards them in a kind of way that disturbs how I should be thinking or behaving. I don't give them the time of day. When I'm sitting here and talking to you or talking to other people about my experience, of course, there is this heat that I talk about that kind of warms my body, my ears, my mind, because I'm revisiting some of the experiences that hurt me. I'm revisiting some of those experiences that changed who I should have been. Even though, as you say, the silver lining is, I've gone on to lead a successful career, maybe that's not who I should have been. Maybe I should have been somebody else, but I would never find out who that somebody else could have been. Maybe in those 12 years I was in prison, I discovered a love with my dad where hugging him and kissing him on the cheek became natural instead of it becoming something I forced because I saw other people doing that.”
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“I'm not I'm not angry towards them in the sense that I would Something bad or anything like that. That's not what I can. But of course, I'm still angry. About their role in what happened to me, the two police officers that interrogated me, the questions that you asked me at the beginning, you know, the fact that they Fabricated evidence, made up stories, and changed things to fit me into the crime rather than accept that the evidence was pointing away from me. It makes me angry to think that they did that, Steve, and that they were prepared to do that to me. But I'm not angry anymore.”
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“The fact that I couldn't have sex for bloody 12 years, even though I sneaked one in that chapel, but they can't give me back the things that were taken from me because of what they'd done. And so I have no intention of forgiving those people. But that doesn't mean that I have any animosity towards them or that I am bitter towards them or that I'm angry.”
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“Forgiveness for that person. Forgiveness doesn't stop you moving on. Forgiveness doesn't stop you becoming the person that you have the potential to become. Forgiveness is a word, actions in my book speak louder than words. To say I forgive you doesn't really mean I forgive you. It might make you feel more comfortable and it might help you release the burden of the guilt that you felt for the wrong that you've done For the person saying, I forgive you, for many it will help, of course it will, it will lift the guilt from them or lift the burden of them being constrained by this hatred for somebody. But for me, forgiveness is just a word. And nobody who did or took part in what happened to me can give me back my 20s. They can't give me back.”
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“I don't forgive anybody who did what they did to me. I never will, never have, and have no intention of forgiving those people. They don't deserve my forgiveness and I'm not a forgiving person in that sense. There's nothing wrong with that, there's nothing wrong with that, is there? There's nothing wrong with me not wanting to forgive someone. I can understand things, but I can't understand why someone would tell a lie that destroys somebody else's life deliberately in the way that they did mine. So I have no intention in my heart or mind. And that doesn't make me a bad or a wrong person. I'm in my right not to forgive someone for something that they did in the same way that someone who thinks they're in a solid relationship is treated cheated on and they decide to break up and they can't find”
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“You don't have anything inside a prison, and that's what we're trying to offer opportunity and the other version of hope to some of these environments.”
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“Material to this prison, and then we take it a step further. We use that art to create art therapy where some of these guys who would not otherwise step into a therapeutic room could be encouraged to go in there to do what they do, which is pain, but also address some of the traumatic experiences that they've been through or have witnessed that makes them the person that there are. So there are ways, as I've just explained, that you can make a difference. And the authorities want it. I speak to the directors of these prisons who encourage me to come back and get involved in the work that they're doing. A pot of paint, you know, some of these prisons are so broken. A pot of paint will make a difference. But you're also not just giving them the pot of paint. What you're doing is you're asking and decorating firm, big decorating firm to take their skills into a prison, teach these guys to paint properly. So there is an opportunity for them coming out to become a decorator. Now, that might not be everybody's ambition.”
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“Improve the opportunities for prisoners, staff and the conditions in prison. So for example, I was in a prison quite recently where they are trying to encourage prisoners to take up art. But they don't have any resources. They don't have any materials to provide. So I'm sort of saying, okay, if I can find somebody who's an artist who can donate this.”
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“In what is taking place, but they do because if they don't, they could become the next victim. And that is really sad to see. And you can see it in their eyes. You can see it in their demeanor. So you can see them taking the weapon and inflicting a blow. A way that you can say they don't really want to be inflicting that play. So I've seen these things. First hand in these environments, in these prisons around the world where they don't have the means to make a difference, to change things. And so I set up the foundation off the back of the things that I witnessed in these prisons with an intention to try and”
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“They're doing to other young men for no other reason than they belong to another gang or because they did, and I've seen quite a few of these videos where riots are kicked off in certain places that I've been to and I've met these individuals and I'm thinking why? And it's simply because these young men have never been told that gang life, violence, is wrong. And I mean that when I say that because they don't have therapists or psychologists or NGO groups, charities working in these places trying to address the issues that these guys have experienced. And then it comes down to reintegration, doesn't it? You're going to let these guys who are prepared to kill in prison back out into society where they've been traumatized by what they've witnessed. And what I gathered in some of these videos, for example, is one guy's film it and three or four guys, five guys are standing there. You can see that they don't want to take part.”
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“And in the prison, surely there is a way that we can teach them to grow tomatoes or potatoes. And they can be self-sufficient. So they can provide for themselves. Why can't a local business do that? Why can't they, the government do that? So the foundation is about rethinking the policies in prison, how to rehumanize the way we treat prisoners. I've seen some of the most horrific videos that you would ever imagine seeing, and I could show you these videos that prisoners have sent me of the murders that take place that they're filming on mobile phones. I mean, how dehumanizing and desensitizing is that for a prisoner to send me a WhatsApp message of a video as they are killing someone in that very moment that is barbaric. And I'm saying, why? Why would another young man like you video? The decapitating and the”
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“Being given these opportunities keys because there is no resource to provide these opportunities. If you went along to Felton the other day, you would have witnessed programs and projects that they're probably running with the prisoners that may provide an opportunity if these guys take these opportunities to change their lives. Steve, trust me, in many of the places that I've been around the world, they just do not exist. People who have had traumatic lives that have led to them ending up in prison, doing the things that they have no therapy or any help. They are not afforded any education to address their offending behavior, which means they are potentially going to commit more crime when they get out of prison. And I think we should care about that and we should try and do something about that. What can you do? Okay. A hungry man can be an angry man. So if I'm going into Papua New Guinea and there are prisoners who can't be fed, surely there is a sustainable way because they have the land.”
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“A police officer, and I've had an avalanche of messages from people asking to send them gifts because they talk about their elderly parents having to look after them, but they're going to die soon. And people ask, and I'm thinking, well, there is humanity. So that's what my foundation is about. It's about humanity. It's about treating people rehumanized. And so we have this strapline, rethink, rehumanize, and reintegrate. And for me, it's about the policymakers and decision makers, but also businesses outside of these locations where these prisons are getting involved to rethink what the purpose of prison is and what we can do to educate or skill up, train individuals that are in prison that are not”
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“Think it's simple. I mean, it came about simply because having been to so many prisons around the globe and having witnessed so much suffering that is unnecessary, you know, regards to what you think about prisoners, and I know there were lots of people out there who think, but they don't deserve any better, although surprisingly, as a result, my Netflix show, a lot of people have written to me from all over the globe saying, oh my God, I believe that they should be locked up and the key should be thrown away. But having watched your show, I have a different perspective. No one should be treated like that. No one should be, et cetera, et cetera. So that in itself and all of the messages I get are so positive. I really can't think of any messages that I've had from people. There are occasions, of course, but 99.9% of the messages that I get from people all over the globe ask me how they can help, what they can do. In my recent Moldova episode, I interviewed two guys. One of them killed an elderly lady and a young lady. And the other one killed a woman.”
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“Prisoner, and that includes the staff because people that go into these environments to work, you know, they don't deserve to be treated like subhumans just because they work in these environments, but they are.”
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“Force people who watch the show to hear other people's voice. That's not them questioning whether they're guilty or innocent, whether what they did is good or bad. It's just giving a platform in a secret world that we hear very little of. We have all these mythical programs breaking, you know, prison break and other oranges and new blacks. We have these programs that kind of sensationalize or glorify what prison could be like. But the reality is sitting down with a man who's done some eritic things, telling his story. trying to understand why they've done what they've done and then finding the balance between how you then rehabilitate somebody like that is it possible but also from the victim's point of view how do you treat somebody once they've been sent to prison for punishment should they continue to be punished in prison should they live in these inhumane conditions where they're not fed or they're not provided with the basic human rights that we all are entitled to whether you are a prisoner or not a prisoner”
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“And so, you know, that's one of the things that I learned at the beginning when I started to shoot the Netflix series and going around the world in prison. It wasn't an easy thing to do. You know, I spent all these years trying to get out of prison, as I've said many times. So willing need to go back in and do this for a television program. But I decided to do it because I want to educate people. When I was in the isolation cell, I was stripped naked, bleeding and bruise. Nobody heard my voice. I screamed and I shouted through the pain that I was suffering, nobody heard my voice. When I was even sitting in my cell my prison uniform one telling people I was innocent, nobody heard my voice. What I've been able to do in this show is”
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“Because I know what it's been like to be judged. I hear other people's experience. That's where my hope comes from. That's what I give to people. So long before I discover that they are a serial killer in my Netflix show, long before I hear about the cruel things, wicked things that they've been involved in or have experienced in their own lives in terms of trauma, I hear their stories. I listen to what they have to say without judgment. I may judge them after I've discovered what they've done and I do on some occasions around sexual offences in particular. I don't judge someone because I've been in that predicament where I've been judged so many times and people have reached the conclusion of who I am and what I'm like long before they've even had a conversation with me.”
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“Hope got me through prison. Hope when you think about it, hear other people Stories, right? Here other peoples evidence So there is an acronym for hope that we can use Hear other people's experiences and that's what I do. That's what I do when I go around the world making my Netflix story. I don't judge people.”
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“There are people who say you can only be on that program if you speak the Queen's English. I'm far from speaking the Queen's English. My vocabulary has changed over the years. But I will sit in alongside some people who were supportive, but they had a difference. It might have been that they were gay and hiding their sexuality. And so there was a kind of kindred that we didn't even know we had, but for some reason they accepted me. But as I say, I was often sort of... Referred to in the media at that time as this kind of convicted prisoner working in the BBC Today program. Didn't matter to me. And I was very lucky that Greg Dyke at the time was making big statements about BBC being hideously white. he was very supportive of the fact that the BBC had employed me and that helped.”
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“Who never held a mobile phone until I come out of prison? No access to the internet. Let me use a computer, never held a microphone, did lots of interviews with journalists, but not on the other side and bluff in my way initially with all these esteemed journalists who'd spent their whole life trying to get to where I got to within 12 months of getting out of prison. What does that say about the BBC? I don't know. What I did have was determination. What I did have was this ability to look the other man or woman in the eye who thought that I wasn't good enough and that I didn't have the skills or I didn't have the appearance because I still had my dreadlocks brown skin brown eyes and dressed very differently sounded very differently. Not only did I have my southeast London accent, but I also had the prison slang that came with that Southeast London accent when I became a reporter on the radio for today program where”
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“But it's heightened when those decisions are taken away. And I liken it to the lockdown period, you know. People said to me, oh, God, that lockdown period is just equivalent to being in prison. You do have a handle on the inside of your bedroom door. You can open that door, walk out your bedroom door. You do have a handle on the inside of your front door. You can step outside. In prison, I would never be never able to do that. And there are other prisoners. And I'm not saying you shouldn't feel sorry for people like that. It's just, let's not compare things that are very different. And that's not me. in the slightest Steve saying that people that struggle during the lockdown period and even now as a result of COVID and what it did to them financially etc I'm not undermining that one little bit but what I am saying is that those psychological challenges that I had to overcome now I'm out of prison and also running parallel to my new developed career as a journalist somebody”
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“But then it becomes quite stressful, quite challenging to be able to stand there and sort of say, you know, well, what should I do? I don't know what to do because someone's always made those decisions for me. Do I take Curlyworthy or the marathon? You think it's simple stuff that when you've not been able to have a choice because there was only one thing on offer, i.e., you know, happy baked beans as opposed to Heinz baked beans. And then all of a sudden you've got happy baked beans, Heinz baked beans and all the other bloody baked beans or all the other coffees and you're used to one being able to, and I still struggle with that. I know people do in life struggle with it.”
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“Use that information to get me into trouble or just having a conversation with somebody that they turn that into something that it wasn't. He said this to me when I didn't. So there has been this in fear in me over the years that I was in prison and when I first got out of prison. And there's also the inabilities to do things, make choices for yourself that are really challenging. You know, I remember when I started my relationship not long after I got out of prison. And I just couldn't make a decision for myself. I really struggled to make simple decisions for myself and felt like a child again, turning to the person that I'm supposed to be developing a relationship with, a girlfriend and asking them things that they laughed about at the beginning. It was quite funny because they kind of got it that I'd been deprived of, those abilities for so long.”
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“I think it's the things that we are entitled to as human beings, love, emotion, being able to be open and honest with the person that you love and care about, being able to talk to the person that you love and care about, have open conversations. And I struggle with that now and have done because I have been so protective of what I say to people out of fear that they will miss.”
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“Another institution, the BBC, and started a career there that I didn't have time to see a psychiatrist or a psychologist. Biggest mistake I ever made because I think it would have done me good. What are the”
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“Relative to what your circumstances, and then they charge you for bed and board. So I spent 12 years in prison for a crime I didn't commit. And then out of my compensation, they deduct bed and board, bed and lodgings. So from my fucking compensation, they then took, so they give me a lump sum. So let's say they give me £100,000 from that £100,000. They calculate how much it would have cost me to pay rent in a single room, in a flat, and then they deduct it from your compensation. Psychological, psychiatric, any kind of help that you need mentally or even physically or even your health that has deteriorated during those years in prison, they then put that within your compensation. They don't give you extra to go and get psychological or psychiatric help, which is something that I think anybody who's come out of prison wrongly convicted needs, or even somebody who has mental health issues before they go into prison.”
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“They give you, I won't say the figure, but they do give you tens of thousands of pounds. Which is an amount that they deem to be, depending on your circumstance, if I was you and ended up in prison because of all the loss. Probably have to give you lots of money, probably wouldn't give you anything that you're worth or that you've earned.”
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“I got an apology about a year and a half ago from a senior police officer who I interviewed on my podcast for the Metropolitan Police and he, that's the only apology I've ever had. I've never had an apology from the courts. I've never had an apology from the criminal justice system per se, but I did get an apology. It was more of a kind of like Rafael love to speak to you and I'm really sorry what happened to you. From that side of the world, that was probably the only time someone said sorry to me, but I don't need sorries, I don't want sorries, they can't give me back my 12 years of 12 million sorries. It just doesn't work for me.”
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“That's the system we work under, you know, to confit free black men when the Quran's were committed by two white and one black men that in itself is indicative of how unfair our system is. And that was another indication.”
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