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Razib Khan

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“I mean, I know you're Guju, right? But I didn't guess it. I don't know by the name. I mean, you look, are you like half Patel, half Bunny? I'm just guessing.”
2022-04-20 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Razib Khan - Genomics, Intelligence, and The Church of Science · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I mean, it's just an educated. Do you know what I'm saying? If someone's like, someone's talking about Chow Know drinking tonic. It's like wicked smart. And I'm just like, are you from Boston? They're like, whoa. That's wicked crazy. How'd you know that? I'm just like, you know what I'm saying? But it's because I know, like, everybody outside of America rightfully assumes that Americans do not know anything about where they're from, like, nothing. And so it's just like an incredible party trick with an American accent to be like, you are from Praha. You know, they're like, whoa.”
2022-04-20 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Razib Khan - Genomics, Intelligence, and The Church of Science · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“To Shanghai's in the middle, but if she was from Shanghai, she would say Shanghai. So it had to be another city. I happen to know that there's a high-speed rail line between Beijing and Guangdong, between Guangzhou, and its middle point is Wuhan. So I knew Wuhan was exactly in the middle, right? And so it was like, you know, these are the sort of things. I mean, it's like, ooh, like an American, it's like super amazing because we don't know any geography. Her friend was like, you know, I was like looking at him. I was like, oh, you're pretty tall. Like, you know, are you from Chinese? He's like, yeah, yeah, I'm from the eastern. I'm like, Shandong. And then he was just like, whoa, how'd you know that? I'm like, what's the easternmost province?”
2022-04-20 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Razib Khan - Genomics, Intelligence, and The Church of Science · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So 2019, I'm a scientific conference of American Society of Human Genetics. I'm meeting these people networking. You're meeting. So I met this Chinese geneticist. I think she's a grad school in the United States. I was like, oh, where are you from? She was just like, oh, I'm from a city between Beijing and Guangdong. Like exactly in the middle. Okay, so here's my train of thought. So I immediately blurt out Wuhan. She was like, whoa, how'd you guess that? It's a whatch. She was shocked that I knew what Wuhan, that I knew of Wuhan, right? For the most Americans don't.”
2022-04-20 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Razib Khan - Genomics, Intelligence, and The Church of Science · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Or does it? No, it's not random. Sometimes they do. I mean, there's sometimes where it's like, you know, someone does this or their family does this. And I'm like, oh, it's because of this. And they're like, what? Oh. You know, like they don't, because you don't know the antecedents of, you know, we don't know the antecedents of everything we do. And so a lot of times I do. And, you know, I mean, the thing was, you know, for example, like Americans are really ignorant in geography.”
2022-04-20 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Razib Khan - Genomics, Intelligence, and The Church of Science · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I mean, it wasn't like, whoa, like, I really understand the British people now. Okay, they're drinking a lot. I think I am not surprised by that, just judging by, you know, like all those British sitcoms and TV shows where they're like drinking in the morning. I get it now, you know, so.”
2022-04-20 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Razib Khan - Genomics, Intelligence, and The Church of Science · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I do most of them in the United States. I mean, I've traveled a little bit, but not too much. I'm not a big traveler internationally. I'm not, you know, I'm like, yeah, I don't do that. Some people do, you know, Spencer Wells, who I worked with, former boss. He's traveled all over the world and, you know, natural geographic and stuff. That adds a lot of local color in terms of things you see, things you know, whenever we talk about the Eurasian steppe. He's been there a lot. So, you know, he can add a lot to that. There's a few places. I don't know if you read the Finland series. I've been to Finland, you know So there are certain things that I know about Finland. I've been to Finland, I've been to Italy. I don't know. England just seemed like the United States, but whiter.”
2022-04-20 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Razib Khan - Genomics, Intelligence, and The Church of Science · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, yeah. I think empirically, yeah, yeah. But I mean, at least that's Chandra safeguard. You don't know if it's 100% true that Eddington was really, you know, who knows? Because sometimes it turns out. There's personal beefs going on. I don't think anything ever told his side. He died a long time ago. Chandra Sakar lived until like, wasn't it like until 10 years ago? I think he died 10 years ago. Yeah, I think Oh, no, not 10 years ago. 1995, so a while though. Yeah, 95, so 25 years ago. But yeah, I mean, he was still, I mean, so he was still around when I was in high school. I remember someone did a report on him, and you know, it was hard to find information back then, but you could, he was still around giving quotes. Yeah.”
2022-04-20 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Razib Khan - Genomics, Intelligence, and The Church of Science · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think he was born in Lahore. His dad was working for the Indian Civil Service. And if you read his biography, the experience some kind of discrimination, you know, prejudice, being South Indians in the north, and then Chandrasekhar went to United States and during the time of segregation, you know, and they tried to put him in the blacks only area in St. Louis for some sports game. There's all sorts of things that happen, you know, and then he experienced prejudice at the hand of, I think like Arthur Eddington in particular was pretty prejudiced against Indians and their ability to contribute to physics.”
2022-04-20 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Razib Khan - Genomics, Intelligence, and The Church of Science · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“In contrast, in UP Bihar, these North Indian states, there's just like there's less dynamism, less cultural dynamism. The behavioral economic literature shows a really strong preference for zero-sum gains, wanting to be at the pinnacle of the local. This is not always true, you know, but they prefer to be at the pinnacle of the local power structure rather than taking a risk going somewhere else where they Might not be at the peak. They might be way more well off in the aggregate, but they wouldn't be at the peak. And so, for example, someone like Chandrasekhar, Chandrasekhar Limit, he's a Tamil Brahmin by background. Obviously he settled in the United States eventually.”
2022-04-20 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Razib Khan - Genomics, Intelligence, and The Church of Science · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I think in UPN Bihar in particular, the elites, they tend to like to be big fish and small ponds. So it's not like there was Rajput Thakurs all over the world either from UP, right? Punjab is different. There's a lot of Punjabis all over the world of various groups, a lot of jats as agricultural farmers in Central Valley, Khatri is all over the place.”
2022-04-20 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Razib Khan - Genomics, Intelligence, and The Church of Science · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“One of you heard about a Guju Brahman or a UP Brahman, you know, it's like those people just stay where they are. You know, they're not local landed elites, but they're not. Well known outside of the Indian subcontinent, or to be honest within the Indian subcontinent, from what I can see.”
2022-04-20 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Razib Khan - Genomics, Intelligence, and The Church of Science · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The CEO of Microsoft and CEO of Google are both South Indian Brahmins. They're both Telugu Brahmins. There's some debates, I think, whether the guy at Microsoft is a Brahmin online. Because I don't know. I can't tell these sorts of things. I mean, I can, but not like, I don't have a good instinct. You know what I'm saying? But anyway, yeah, so I think Brahmins are, you know, like Ashkenazi Jews, you know, they analogize themselves, particularly South Indian Brahmins. I think we do have to distinguish that because, you know,”
2022-04-20 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Razib Khan - Genomics, Intelligence, and The Church of Science · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Migrate to the cities of North India to work in the Indian Civil Service. The reverse would not happen. So this is like a longstanding issue or issue, a phenomenon of South Indian English-speaking prominent leads in particular availing themselves of technology, higher education, Tamil Brahmins, for example, are very well represented in engineering and software, and that's obviously the pipeline that Indian Americans are going into a CEO's highly overrepresented. So I think...”
2022-04-20 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Razib Khan - Genomics, Intelligence, and The Church of Science · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah. Well, the guy from TikTok's not. He's Bonnia. I mean, I think the Indian explanation, which you probably know, is Brahmins are literate. There are symbolic manipulators. And so obviously... If you work at Microsoft or Google, and they tend to be particularly South Indian Brahmins, actually, as opposed to North Indian Brahmins, there aren't that many of those. And this goes back to the colonial period, actually, South Indian Brahmins.”
2022-04-20 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Razib Khan - Genomics, Intelligence, and The Church of Science · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“8.5%. It's not super high, but R1A is mostly found in Iranians and Slavs, and Mongols have it. They have the Indo-Iranian version because they assimilated Scythians and Sarmatians and other Iranian steppe people. So I think that's probably where that comes into the Chinese. And, you know, you can go back to the Toba Turks and other groups after the fall of the Han dynasty, you know, 1500 or actually 1700 years ago, 1700 years ago. I mean, I think that's when they started introducing that genetic element to northern China.”
2022-04-20 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Razib Khan - Genomics, Intelligence, and The Church of Science · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Assimilated Mongol, yeah, I think that's what it is because the Mongols are about 10% West Eurasian and the Tal for me is about 1% of northern Chinese Han men have R1a.”
2022-04-20 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Razib Khan - Genomics, Intelligence, and The Church of Science · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“North of the Yangzi, pretty much every Han sample that I have has a little bit of West Eurasian ancestry. South of the Yangzi, none of them have it. And so I think most of that West Eurasia is probably assimilated Mongols and other things like that. Because the Mongols are about 10%.”
2022-04-20 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Razib Khan - Genomics, Intelligence, and The Church of Science · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“And so that's, I think, how assimilation has happened genetically. People in Guangdong, like the Cantonese, like they have a minority of, you know, Indigenous or South-South ethnic group ancestry, some of their practices are clearly not Han Chinese, especially like certain marriage practices, certain things that women do. And most of the gene flows probably from females, from non from non-Han that were assimilated in the area. So yeah, the Han identity is very similar.”
2022-04-20 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Razib Khan - Genomics, Intelligence, and The Church of Science · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“The Hawk are not like Avati Jews and having an ideological reason for their endogamy Chinese lineages to some extent like Indian lineages, but are paternal. So your identity and who you are, your clan is determined by who your father is. So, you know, that's, I mean, you might have a lower status if your mother is an ethnic minority like Zhuang or Uyghur or something like that, but, you know, informally, but still, officially you're part of the plan.”
2022-04-20 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Razib Khan - Genomics, Intelligence, and The Church of Science · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, so in China, the only equivalent that you would see in Ostrona Jews are the Hakka in South China and the Hakka are descended from northern Chinese migrants, and so they speak like a dialect of Mandarin. Northern Chinese dialect in the South, like in Guangdong, where the Cantonese and Tai Chinese are, and they still kind of tend to inter-American. I mean, they're basically isolated. But, you know, again, the Hakka...”
2022-04-20 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Razib Khan - Genomics, Intelligence, and The Church of Science · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So if you look at like who so food people basically A lot of the rich Chinese, not all obviously, but traditionally like in Hong Kong the elite families are Shanghai, some Fujianese. And so these coastal Southeast coastal people in China have traditionally been extremely enterprising. And central government in China has often clamped down on them. Obviously, this government's not. The modern economy cannot. And so I think these populations might come into their own, you know?”
2022-04-20 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Razib Khan - Genomics, Intelligence, and The Church of Science · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“So, what you need is, so I should not use their highly endogamous were And, you know, they emerged in the context of Central East Europe. As a middleman minority, you know, what the whole thing is, Haredi Jews dress like Polish nobles, you know, because they worked for these Polish nobles as factors and tax collectors and administrators and whatnot. So I guess you have to look for something like that. This isn't totally equivalent because adogue is not a big issue here, but like Fujanese, you know Chinese from Fujian have traditionally done better on examinations, going back a thousand years, going back to the Song Dynasty. So there were affirmative action quotas on people from January.”
2022-04-20 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Razib Khan - Genomics, Intelligence, and The Church of Science · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Most Indians figure out what their community, as they say, is from, which is not typical. Most of the world's not like that. It's basically like if all of India is populated by people like Ashkenazi Jews. You know, very, very endogenous people because people are like, you know, people are like, oh, well, there's no other example. And I'm like, actually, there is astronauti Jews, the Roma who themselves are... Part Indian origin. There's a few examples. The issue is just like having a whole society like this is pretty weird. That is the innovation. It's like, oh, let's have a whole society that's stratified. So, you know.”
2022-04-20 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Razib Khan - Genomics, Intelligence, and The Church of Science · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Not really. I mean, you know, it's like, oh, like caste system, blah, blah, blah. I mean, you know, sexual exploitation of lower caste women by upper caste men has been a thing. So I do wonder, what's up with that? I mean, there are some cases where you see things like on the Nair group in Kerala, many of the women traditionally, not always, but they have these relationships with Kerala Brahmins, Nambutiri Brahmins that weren't marriages, but there was like consort. There were consorts and, you know, Carol, I think the Diars also did polyandry and other things. But, you know, you see in the Nairs, you see a range of geneticists, and that's just because their biological fathers are... Of that group. So there are exceptions to this, but you're telling me, yeah, in general, in general, I can look at someone”
2022-04-20 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Razib Khan - Genomics, Intelligence, and The Church of Science · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“But somehow Indians were able to escape that. No one really knows why. I mean, I've had multiple genesis come up to me and be like, what's up with this? I don't know. And he's like, why are you asking me? Well, I mean, you know, you're brown, so maybe you know. It's like they're trying to figure out whether there's a secret sauce here because it's just not, it doesn't make any sense for a mammal where the males are particular are highly polygynous, you know, and ideal”
2022-04-20 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Razib Khan - Genomics, Intelligence, and The Church of Science · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Perhaps, I mean, maybe just like the social taboos, reproductive fitness is really low. I don't know. It doesn't, you know, for humans, it doesn't make sense, but the data is what it is. Indians is just a really good endogamy for some reason. You know, whereas in other populations the general pattern is You know, I mean See someone, you're like, they're fine, you know One thing leads to another, you know, this isn't rocket science, it's universal human nature, right?”
2022-04-20 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Razib Khan - Genomics, Intelligence, and The Church of Science · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Nobody really knows is a short answer. So the math is like, you know, there's evidence from Andhra Pradesh, South India. David Reich looked at it. And it's like, if you run the math, it's like, oh, like their endogamy raid is like 99.5% per generation. Super high. So, I mean, you know, when I was younger, Know the endogamy rate for like black Americans was like 95%, which is high, and today is like 85%, you know, but 5% is like 10 times bigger than what I'm talking about, you know? Yeah, like you said, average Black American is 20% European in ancestry, et cetera, et cetera. So it's just like there's really high barriers in the Indus subcontinent in terms of how can we maintain one thing that I wonder about is infanticide.”
2022-04-20 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Razib Khan - Genomics, Intelligence, and The Church of Science · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“Yeah, I mean. Surviving thrive is one thing, but have offspring is a different thing. The incentives in our society are such that a lot of people believe that thriving is being child-free or, you know, what usually happens, I think, is People want to establish themselves in their 20s and they don't want to put too many thought. I mean, at least professional managerial college educated people. And then in their 30s they start thinking about it. And sometimes people wait too long. There's fertility issues or they just wait too long. They can't find someone else. In the long term, obviously, there's a limit. There's a limiting principle, but you don't need to be that bright to survive and have a lot of children. And on the contrary, there's clear evidence that not being bright is good for your reproductive output. The movie about 2006.”
2022-04-20 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Razib Khan - Genomics, Intelligence, and The Church of Science · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“More like the second in terms of not in equilibrium yet, we're not going to have an equilibrium until You know, the reproductive differentials equilibrate, they will at some point, you know, but it could be centuries at this point. People with genes for educational attainment had to delay childbearing to the point where a lot of them do not have children, you know, because they invest in educational attainment in the short term. So, you know, they don't have as many children and their generation times are longer. The math isn't difficult there, right? So right now there's strong native selection. Not strong. There's negative selection on genes for educational attainment. I mean, everyone who's looked at it says that, at least in the developed world.”
2022-04-20 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Razib Khan - Genomics, Intelligence, and The Church of Science · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source
“I've always been interested in topics like history, demographics, et cetera. And I've also been interested in science, I have a scientific background, scientific training. And over the last 20 years, genetics has become just a really big deal in terms of just as a tool to do various things, whether it's in the biomedical space or historical inference. And, you know, so obviously I'm interested in demographics, historical inference, and genetics is a tool I can use as a geneticist, and so I do. So, you know, like as we're recording right now, I... Decide to do a bunch of pairwise genetic distances between populations and stuff just because it could for a post, you know? So, you know, I do a lot of things by myself. I replicate what's been done. Yeah, so I mean, that's a lot of what I do. Yeah.”
2022-04-20 · Dwarkesh Podcast · Razib Khan - Genomics, Intelligence, and The Church of Science · IDENTIFIED FROM THE TRANSCRIPT · source