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  1. Yeah, that's one of my things is that I really value the time I've spent with people, friendships, and keeping in touch with people. To each one of my siblings multiple times a week. I talked to my sisters probably every night, my two sisters. I have friends from college. I get friends from growing up. I have friends from, you know, Colleges I went to. I have friends from all different eras in my life that I keep in touch with and visit whenever I can.

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  2. Then I got a publishing deal, my first publishing deal in 1992 with Polygram Publishing. And then I became a producer when I was 37, having no idea how to engineer. I taught myself engineering. And then YouTube. I taught myself how to edit videos.

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  3. So I have an undergrad in classical base, I have a master's from New England Conservatory and jazz guitar. Then I taught college for, I taught jazz studies for five years from 87 to 92.

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  4. My theory of my channel has always been make videos on things I'm interested in. At first, I thought, oh, nobody's going to watch an old white haired guy on YouTube. Was kind of my thing. Well, that was not correct. And then it's like, well, just make videos on stuff I'm interested in. It just so happens that other people are interested in the same things I'm interested in and keep learning. And when I produce bands, I never let them take my picture ever and never let them record me in the studio. There's virtually no pictures of any band I ever produced. So from 1999 to 2015 when I December 2015, when that Dylan video came out, no one took my picture. There were no pictures of me on the internet.

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  5. And so I thought, okay, I'll make some YouTube videos and explain this stuff. This is really why I started, so I didn't have to keep, I couldn't answer the emails. There's so many of them. So I just started making videos on how to train your ear and music theory. And that's really how I started my channel. And my wife was like, what are you doing? I'm making YouTube videos. Why? So I don't have to keep telling people how I did this stuff. And then all of a sudden, you know, I had 4,000 subscribers the first month, another 4,000 and hit 100,000 after a year. And then six months later, 200,000 and three months later, 300,000.

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  6. So, my theory is that Somebody's got to be successful, so why can't it be you? That was my, when I started my channel, I mean, I didn't start it by accident with the Dylan video. And really, so many people reached out to me. I started it six months after that viral video. So many people wrote to me, can you teach me this? Pro musicians, well-known ones that you'd know. Can you teach me this? I can't teach you what Dylan did, but I can teach you relative pitch, develop your ear that way. But then I had conservatories writing to me about this stuff from all over the world. How did you teach Dylan this? Because we made it about four different videos and they got more and more sophisticated

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  7. Yes. I've known Johnson since he lived in Atlanta, but when he got signed, and I knew John from way back then, probably in the early 2000s.

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  8. Lex, I use Am Sims too. I just got the new John Mayer Neural DSP plugin today that I have not tried out. He did a modeling of all his amplifiers that Neural DSP did. And it sounds great. John played it. It sounds just like his amps.

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  9. That means two cut two. As opposed to Les Paul that has one cut. So it's a Les Paul special that has two. I have it over there Signature guitar

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  10. Yeah, all my guitars play equally well. I have them all set up to where they play well. I have a signature Gibson guitar that I've had for five years now.

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  11. It depends on the kind of part that I'm playing. If I want something with really tight mid-range that doesn't have a lot of low base, this particular old Gibson that I have, the 57, I will pull that out. It's got very balanced strings and mid-range doesn't have a lot. It doesn't have a booming bottom end, booming low E string or anything or A string So it depends on what kind of sound I'm looking for.

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  12. Pretty much have mainly Old school guitars, right? So I have Gibson's, I have fenders, I have PRS, guitars. And then I have two Gibson acoustics. I have a 1957 country in Western that I've had for probably 30 some odd years. It's a great guitar. And I have a J45 Gibson. And I have a Martin D28. So I only have three nice acoustics and I have a Guild 12 string. And I have a Guild Nashville tuned guitarist. The low strings are up the octave. So the E-A and D and G are up the octave. That's Nashville tuning sixth string though. Like basically what David Gilmore plays Uncomfortably numb in my video. He plays a Nashville tune, but with one variation, the low E is up two octaves. So he... He demonstrates actually this is how he wrote comfortably numb, the chorus part of it was with this. Particular guitar that he's playing in the video.

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  13. So you know And so it'd be like, Okay, so I have this Marshall JCM 800 that's modded that does this one thing. It's got great mids and it's good for this kind of a tune. So I will pull that out. Then it's like, no, I need more of like a scooped metal tune sound that's more like Metallica or Dream Theater or something. So I'm going to pull out my Mesa Boogie. Or I need something that's chimey that's more like Brian May or like the Edge. I'm going to pull out my Vox AC30. So everything. And that's why I have so many amps because they all do every amp I have does one thing really well. If it doesn't do well do it well, I get rid of it.

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  14. No, I use AMP Sims. On my laptop here when I travel and things like that, I use Neural DSP, which I just did a video at their headquarters in Helsinki. The CEO Doug Castro is a friend of mine. I actually talked to him today, as a matter of fact. And I have a Kemper Ampsum modeler. I have an AxeFX. I've got a helix. I pretty much have all these things. But for me, I have 100 amps in my studio. And I have mics set up all the time on cabinets and stuff. I have 100 amplifiers, real amplifiers.

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  15. Have to become a master at the things if you want to be a recording engineer, producer, you become an expert. A lot of the Phineas and Billie Eilish, I think that they use logic. That's their DAW that they like to use and logic. A lot of pros use logic. I fire up logic every couple days and use it for things. I have it on my laptop here. I have ProJols and Logic on my laptop. I use both. I use Pro Tools mostly, though.

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  16. If I didn't have a Mac, honestly, I wouldn't be talking to you right now because I got a G3 that's the only good thing that a major label did for me is when my band was on UMG and they bought me a G3 and an SM7 and Pro Tools DigiO won the first Pro Sumer Pro Tools thing. And I learned how to use Pro Tools and that allowed me to learn how to edit video and become a record producer. So, I got to give it to Max for that.

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  17. I have saved the CDs that I uploaded into my computer. Anytime I do that, I play songs. I'm doing an interview, I always play wave files. I put them in. And it's funny that when I interview a mixer, I interviewed this mixing engineer, Andy Wallace. And people comment, wow, the song sounded amazing here. Well, not only are they great mixes that he did, but I'm using wave files in there. And people notice, and these are wave files from, you know, original encoding, not remastered things that Spotify keeps doing. And adding a bunch more top end and things like that. These are the These are actually the original WAV files from off the CD that I ripped. 20 years ago

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  18. Soundgarden record, or something like, whoa, I like that. I'm going to go check that out, something that you might not have heard or something odd.

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  19. Yeah, it means that it's a popular sign. Well, that's a massive hit. That's very few songs that have a billion plays. Now, the downside of Spotify is the way that they pay their artists. Now they've lumped in. Podcasts that are getting a cut of the streaming with the music. The search and discovery. I mean, there's benefits of algorithms and there's negative things of algorithms. Algorithms happen to kind of many times pigeonhole people into listening to the same genre of music all the time and not expanding their The discovery of new music that you might hear on the radio back in the day were program directors would play things that they liked, right? And you might hear some, oh, what is that? Oh, that's a new.

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  20. So, one of the things I'll start with the positive that I like about Spotify is that they show play counts, whether they're real or not, that's another question, but they show how many plays songs have. And that's how the charts are based.

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  21. It took me years though, Lex. I've been doing this. So I've been doing it for one year now, and I'm nine years, ten years into my channel. So it took me that long.

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  22. And they would claim everything that they could and historically YouTubers never would fight back. They were like, oh, this is easy money. YouTubers never fight back at these things because they're afraid to have their channels taken down.

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  23. Think that the content ID stuff that was happening with these major labels, they would hire third parties. Would go out, use AI and go and Anytime they detect anything, they always go to the biggest channels first to get the most views. It makes sense and stuff.

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  24. Yeah, fight these content ID claims. If it's fair use, if you're not just playing the song and listening to it, because a lot of the stuff that are reaction videos or whatever that are not where they play the whole song, I mean, I'm using these things and I'm talking a lot of the times it's in interviews or it's in I'm breaking down a solo and there's a

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  25. So he said, You should fight these because every single one of them is fair use. And he went through my entire cattle. I have 2100 videos And he's fought 4,000 content ID claims and won every single one of them. 4,000. That's a lot. I mean, when I do top 20 guitar solos, there's 20 content ID claims, you know? And it's either it can be either from the sound recording, if I use that, or if I just play it, it can be from the publisher.

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  26. They get all the money in a one hour video if you use 20 seconds of a clip. Get all the money So I hired a lawyer finally after the Rick Rubin video because I thought it was ridiculous. I go over to Tuscany. I interview Rick at his house. And I hired a lawyer to fight this, who I'm going to have on my channel. I don't want to say who it is, but he's another YouTuber. He had approached me a couple years ago, and it's not cheap to do.

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  27. And then something happened. There was that guy on the skateboard on TikTok that had the ocean spray thing, and he was listening to dreams by Fleetwood Mac. And that blew up and became a number one song again. And the labels then realized, I mean, I had made many videos about. About why this is wrong and it should be fair use and everything. Well, because of that, the laborer's like, ooh, maybe we should rethink this. And then they just started demonetizing videos.

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  28. This has been going on since the beginning of my channel, and I've made videos periodically when I first started. It was just instant blocks. So you never knew back, and I started, it'll be 10 years in June. So when I play music in a video, YouTubers were not playing music in videos because they didn't, because of the content ID things and the takedowns and stuff. So I would play music and I'd just see what happens. And then you get a content ID claim or you realize that people were quote unquote blockers. And I came up with that term, that they would block your video, take down your video. And I realized at first it was like anything guns and roses, which is still the case. Guns and Roses, ACDC, I mean, many bands. Fleetwood Mac, Led Zeppelin. And then

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  29. Right, 2011, or the Luis Monfa in 1967. So why is that considered to be in the top songs of the year? It's like, come on, you can't find another song that's not based on that. Ridiculous.

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  30. 10 people, 11 people. I mean, you know. Why is Song of the Year have songs that are interpolation, meaning that they have melodies from other songs in their interpolation? They used to call it stealing. And then you have songs that use samples for the whole thing, like the Dochi song that's out right now. And I said, look, she took a Gautier song and basically took off his melody and she created her own melody over it. It's like, well, I mean, it saves time for, you don't have to actually create a track. You just can sing over someone else's song that was already successful.

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  31. Me being the old guy that well, Sabrina really was the, she's amazing and she's the one that wrote everything in the songs. So my response is like, Why are you guys even included on the songwriting then?

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  32. In that particular song Jack Antonoff, who was one of the writers, Amy Allen Sabrina Carpenter, said in some awards thing that there's an old guy on YouTube that says that Sabrina had very little to do with the song, and so he said in this clip.

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  33. I've saved videos where I'm speaking over music, for example, in an interview. Somebody's playing and we have two people speaking in labs, but there's so much bleed coming from the person playing that you can't hear what we're saying. And then we'll split out the voice for that section, the two voices, separate them, and then take the music and separate that stuff. And so it's really helpful for things like that.

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  34. It is a talent, absolutely. When I see anything that's AI generated, I instantly recognize any video. I'm like, boring, boring, boring. And my kids do the same thing. They just have no interest in engaging with it. As soon as they recognize it and they can spot it a mile away and they're just like boring, boring, boring, boring, boring. And then they kind of. They don't even want to engage with the social media platforms, which is a danger Which I think they need to crack down on the AI slop. YouTube's done a pretty good job on it, but it's hard to stay on It gets flooded with so much of this stuff. It's so easy to create and put up there and to just be in the whack-a-mole thing where you're just trying to get rid of it all.

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  35. That's why I'm not going to use AI, Lex, for that reason because to me, it's just boring. And when I use it, it's like, eh. I used it for about a month or so just because I was making videos and I was trying to see how it's advancing. Every three or four months I'll Sit down and I'll see whatever new versions they have, and I'll write some songs. Write some songs. I'll prompt some songs and see what they come up with and see if they're improving on the things. But ultimately, I don't find it interesting to use.

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  36. I think the role of the musician is that in actually If they use AI to assist them in coming up with ideas as a creation tool, then the musician some of this stuff is just not high quality sonically high quality. So the musician goes in and redoes stuff and changes things and adds parts. And then they actually do music production. And maybe they re-sing the parts and they change the stuff. And then it's just basically like an idea generator. And I think that that's a great use of AI is for that.

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  37. Is this AI a be in the car with Layla coming back from Taekwondo practice? And she's like, Is this AI? Why does it sound like AI? Sounds like it could be AI. And I'd be like, yeah, it's AI. She's like, oh, it's getting better. And then I did this song for, it was an NPR interview. I created a song with a fake artist, and the song was called Neon Ghost, and I played it for Layla Nakar. She's like, You separate the tracks? I said, Yeah, I have them separated back home. Okay, I want to go down here. So we go down to the studio and I play it for her and she listens to the soloed vocal. She said, wow, this is really, realistic. This is very hard to tell, even with a soloed vocal

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  38. A lot of these AI programs are trained on very low bit rate MP3s, right? So they feed all this stuff in there. So they're getting really inferior information in the training process. Whereas now when they make these deals with the major labels, they'll get the multi-tracks and they'll get high quality wave files to train from, right? And whoever opts in, they get the solo vocal tracks if Ed Sheeran wants to do it or Drake or whoever wants to give their voice to it, let it do its thing, and then get their royalties from it. I'm not saying that any of them are doing it. I'm just giving an example. Every time that I would do it, I could be down the hall and I would play something in my phone just to see if they'll like why are you listening to AI? They could instantly tell. Then eventually it started getting better. And then it'd be like,

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  39. So, when AI, when I first started making these AI videos, it started back in 2023, I made my first one. I would take my phone Come up in the kitchen, I play a song, and my youngest and dylant, my youngest Layla, and I have three kids, and my oldest Dylan, as soon as I play Why Are You Listening to AI? And I was like, oh my God, instantly, I was like, how do you know? Oh, it has this ringing sound in the thing. So it took me probably about four or five days to figure, okay, what are they hearing that I'm not hearing? So I did it, I separated all the parts and what they're hearing was the artifacts that are in the vocal reverb that made incomplete. Just couldn't do the ambiences correctly, right? Because it's trained on

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  40. I did it in ChatGPT, the image. Then I went to Claude and I wrote the lyrics because Claude's way better at lyrics than Suno is. Suno's bad at lyrics, at least right now. So I created the lyrics in Claude, and then I imported the lyrics into Suno. And I had great results with the songs that I came up that it came up with. I always have to qualify that. But I started thinking about this. People freak out about this. Oh, this is bad. This is bad. And then I thought I was like, no, who are going to be the ones that are going to benefit from AI? Well, the people that are already great songwriters, because you have to be able to recognize when it spits out something good versus when it spits out something that's not that good. And every other song, I've probably created 130 song ideas, out of which there's three good ones.

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  41. So, if you write us a prompt in Suno and it spits out a song, which I did, I've made a bunch of videos on this. I made up a fake artist, Eli Mercer, in this video. Then I did a thing for CBS News. I made up this fake artist, Sadie Winters, and came up with this song Walking Away. Well, the computer, the program came up with it.

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  42. I'll play Master of Pups. I have to play some heavy And so usually it will default to some metallica or something like that. Or I'll play Alice and Chains. A lot of times I'll go and I'll do drop D something or play tool. I usually would do something, do some drop tuning thing. It's always got to be some type of metal that I'll test to see if the bottom ends tight on the amp and stuff. So yes.

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  43. I agree. I go back and I play Master of Puppets. Every time I'm trying out a new amplifier, that's my go to. That's your go to.

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  44. Extremely break. I had 20 kids, 10 of them only ten survived till adulthood, lost both his parents when he was nine within nine months of each other, went to live with an older brother.

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  45. Every day. People talk about Bach was not known other than in his places he lived. Eisenach, he was born in Leipzig. He spent many years. But Bach was known to great musicians. It was difficult to find manuscripts, but there was a premiere of the St. Matthew Passion that Mendelssohn had done in 1829. It was on March 11th, I believe. He had a manuscript because His father and mother collected manuscripts and he got a manuscript of this piece. And I think he was 20 years old and they had a performance of it in Berlin. And Beethoven, Mozart, they studied the well-tempered clavier, the two books of the well-tempered clavier. But Bach were profoundly beautiful music. Some of the most complex contrapunnel music that I don't think anyone has ever done like that.

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  46. Every famous songwriter is influenced by Bach. They are the greatest composer of all time, the greatest musician of all time.

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  47. It must have been Terrible. I mean, I just. I mean, I've heard things where he had to have a stick in his mouth and put it on the soundboard of the piano and you could feel the vibrations in his skull and things like that.

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  48. That he was inspired to do this. There's a thing called the Hiligestadt Testament that he wrote. It was a letter to his brothers from 1802. I think they found it in his desk after Beethoven died. And he felt a sense of shame and humiliation because of his hearing loss. And he said that he was afflicted with this thing where him of all people that someone standing next to him could hear a flute that he could not hear or a shepherd singing in the field and he could not hear this and of all the people why him we're hearing played such an important part. Another person that would had to have had perfect pitch because you could never do this. You didn't have perfect pitch, which I think all these great composers for the most part Brahms didn't from what I know, but all the rest of them for sure had perfect pitch.

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  49. I mean, Beethoven was sick all the time, too. I mean, there are a lot of people were sick all the time. It was very common. Would motivate you To write Music, this beautiful music that you can never actually hear except for in your head. The amount of time it takes to write Write a 35 minute, 40 minute piece, all the parts, you got to hear all the orchestration in your head, your editing, you're doing all these things. Where do you get the motivation when you can't? Hear the actual finished work. And people would say, well, he's here in his head. But what kind of enjoyment is it? You want to hear the orchestra? I mean, it's really a profound that he

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  50. Used to be, but at this point. I can't Much rather see people play in small clubs or go to the, I'd like to listen to the studio. Go to the studio even.

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