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  1. I'm out of government. You're making good money. CNN's paying me a fortune, right? You and me, right? They are. I'm going to have to.

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  2. Now, for most Americans, that is not an affordable policy. And I have probably, I think it's either $10,000 or $12,000 deductible. So I do it. Why? We were just talking about it. Because I have a child with a disability and I can't not have insurance with someone who has those kinds of medical conditions. So I'm willing to put a big chunk of my income toward that because I have to. But if you're A 27 year old with four kids at home, and that's what I have on my insurance right now, you're not going to pay $30,000 for that. I mean, you're just not. You're going to go out and either pay them.

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  3. I don't disagree with you. And so the question is, how are we? Insurance products on the exchanges are not affordable right now. If you get a subsidy, they are. But if you don't get subsidy, I can tell you, I'm on one. And I pay roughly $30,000 a year in premiums.

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  4. I would say that I just fundamentally disagree with what the Congressional Budget Office analysis was. And I think they always have overestimated, quote, guaranteed insurance through a government program versus a support for an open and private sector marketplace. But healthcare is...

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  5. Indefensible, yet I couldn't get my colleagues on the conservative. The interesting thing, the guy in the house that authored it with him was Dick Army, who again back then was considered there was nobody tougher than Dick Army as a conservative. But here's two iconic conservatives, if you will, who offered this. And, you know, we couldn't get the attention of the Republican Party to move forward.

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  6. For the working poor, I don't know whether it was refundable or not, but I certainly would have no problem with it being refundable, but the idea would be to make sure that everybody is treated the same and people who have employer provide insurance get a huge tax benefit, and those who don't don't. And that to me just was...

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  7. Yeah, really, because what I proposed is that we should provide the same tax treatment for those who don't have employer provided insurance that those who do. In other words, that we're going to give people support, if you want to call premium support or whatever the case may be, but give them a tax credit that they could use to go out and buy insurance to help underwrite the cost of private insurance. That was 20 years ago. And oh, it costs too much money. And oh, you're going to blow a hole in the budget. I said refund

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  8. Yes, and you may not remember, but way back when, back in the mid 90s, I actually offered a piece of legislation which was condemned by some of the Cato and some of the more conservative groups as big government Rick Santorum. Believe it or not, I'm known by some conservatives these days as a big government conservative. That shows you how...

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  9. Poverty issue that has been advanced in the last sixteen years was led by me. And that's true. I mean, I took the responsibility of carrying, I hired nine people off the welfare rolls. I took the responsibility of caring for the poor, not just my own life and personally, but also in public and in public policy. And so I take all of the teachings of the church seriously and I take my responsibility as a public servant to care for, to be concerned about all everybody in society also very seriously. But that doesn't mean that I have to agree necessarily with a particular prescription of how to do that.

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  10. And turns them into the same order of absolutes. And I just think that's just not correct teaching. And I don't blame him. And in fact, I admire him for his concern about immigrants. I admire him for his concern about the environment. I think those are important issues. And I think those are issues the church has every right to express and the poor. You know, look, you're talking to someone who ran in 2006 for re-election, David Brooks wrote an article and said that every major

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  11. Able to agree on, and I would say this, that hopefully we can get some agreement. But the larger point here is those decisions are judgment decisions. They're complex. They have a lot of, you know, certain people we probably should treat this way, other people we wouldn't treat this way. And it is up for the governmental official, and the church has to give leeway to that government official as long as they're doing it consistent with the teachings of the church, which is, you know, that we welcome the stranger and that we try to care for people, but at the same time, we can't welcome everybody. And I don't think any church teaches that you have to have an open border and everybody can come in and nations have borders and they have boundaries. And it's a judgment call as to what those are. Yeah, we do. And I don't think anywhere in the church is teaching saying that countries can't have borders and protect those borders. So there's.

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  12. And again, I would say it's confusing in my mind, conflating what is, according to church teaching, an absolute wrong, which is the taking of an innocent human life in abortion, to a prudential judgment as to how a country deals with its borders. That's a judgment that the country under church teaching is free to make as long as they're doing it in concert with. They're not doing anything malicious. They're not doing anything that's deliberately harmful.

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  13. Of their own. He had to wait seven years without his father. Understood. And so I've said, look, I'm four. I mean, I'm not opposed to legal immigration. I'm for immigration. Immigration is an important part of the future of the country. But those who are not.

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  14. Yeah, I would say that First off, Pope Francis held my little girl. I haven't talked about my daughter Bella, who's a special needs little girl, and she's nine years old. But a couple years ago, when he came to the United States and was in Philadelphia. My wife and my daughter Bella got a chance to meet him and he actually held my daughter. How old is Bella now? Bella's nine. She was seven at the time. And she can't walk or talk. And she's fairly, you know, people would say profoundly disabled, but to me, she's very able. She's a font of love and happiness in our family. And so we just feel

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  15. I would agree that most women do not. And again, one of the benefits of these crisis pregnancy centers is if the woman decides to have an abortion, they're there for post-abortive counseling. If there's any issues that come up and arise with that. So to me, it's about caring for the woman, caring for the child, caring for the family. And if that's what the pro-life movement, I'd like it to be known for.

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  16. You can't just sit there and run your protests. And as you said, scream at the other side and call them murderers or whatever the case may be. You have to go out and meet the women in society who are abandoned by men, parents, friends in this very, very tragic, unwanted pregnancy situation. And so I think it's underreported, but I can tell you there are hundreds of these centers around the country, hundreds and hundreds. I've spoken at probably close to 100 myself and very, very passionate about being there to serve women and their children. And by the way, fathers trying to help with father class and parenting. So to me, yes, it's a very contentious debate.

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  17. One of the things that I'm most excited about is over the past 20 years since I've really been involved in the pro-life debate, the pro-life community has really put its energies into the centers called Crisis Pregnancy Centers where they said, look, we will take that pregnant woman who we know is isolated in so many cases and feeling abandoned and feeling misused and feeling vulnerable and alone will bring that person in and we will care for her. We will provide support for her. And if she decides to move forward with the pregnancy, we will support that pregnancy and care for her and her child, not just through the pregnancy, but afterwards in parenting and nurturing and all those things. And to me, that's the positive approach. Look, I don't think we should stop trying to change the law, which I believe is unjust

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  18. These are easy questions. No, they're very difficult questions. Look, I understand how people can come down differently on these things. And it's when does that... Life becomes a person that we have to respect under the constitution

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  19. Is not subject to the death penalty because it's cruel and unusual punishment. So the rapist is protected by the Constitution, but the child who is the product of the rape is not. And so rapists can't be put to death, but a child who did nothing wrong is eligible put to death. And I just find an inherent inconsistency that the rapist did one of the most horrible things you can ever do. And the justice said, we'll protect you. But this little child who, again, did nothing wrong. That child suffers the death penalty if someone decides that they don't want to have that child. And I understand that how difficult, I understand all the issues of a mother, but I think...

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  20. Maybe it was Chris Wallace, I don't remember. But my answer was this recently at the time, recently the Supreme Court decided that someone who commits a rape, a violent rape, obviously rapes are inherently violent.

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  21. Yeah, I got this question at a debate in 2012. I don't know if you remember that. Yeah, I was running for president in 2012, and I got the question of rape. It was actually a Fox News debate. I think Megan Kelly asked me this one. And my answer was...

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  22. Never, up until the moment that the child is born, some say, well, you know, after this warmer weeks or after that number of weeks. But to me, from just using reason and logic, I said, well, I don't think it's proper for the government to draw lines. And I certainly respect the liberty of a woman to have the right to do what she wants with her body, but nobody has the right of liberty to use that right of liberty to take another life. And so I put the right to life, which in our Declaration of Independence comes before the right to liberty, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. I put that as a higher right. So that's how I came down. And so I know people say, well, you know, it's a religious belief. Actually, it wasn't. Actually, it was just sort of this makes sense to me. And a society is probably a just society that puts life above liberty.

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  23. Yeah, he was. And so to me, it wasn't an important issue for me. I mean, I was a young single guy and I never really thought much about it. But I was told, as I decided to run for office, that this was an important issue and I needed to get, so I went and I talked to some physicians. And they give me some articles. I had a long dinner and walk through it. And to me, to me, this was science. And scientifically, a life begins a conception. I don't think it's not a moral decision. It's a scientific fact. I mean, you have a unique DNA, and that unique DNA is fully human and fully alive. The question is, when do you want to give that human being? Because it's human life. When do you want to give that human life rights?

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  24. Yeah, so here's sort of if you just follow the logic of my position, because I actually approach this not from a religious point of view at all. In fact, when I decided to become pro-life, I'd never run for office and never really taken a position. I actually worked for a state senator who was pro-choice when I was out of graduate school. And so I'd sort of

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  25. A lot of different things that are going on of how people treat each other in when it comes to sexual activity. You're seeing it playing out here with a sexual sex scandals.

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  26. Yeah, on contraception. And I find that, you know, I find that sort of disturbing, to be honest with you, that you'd be criticized for having a position that has been the position for the church for a couple thousand years and one that is not trying to impose that onto anybody else. And so now, the fact I would speak about and I would recommend it, does that threaten you potentially? Maybe you don't want to have this discussion. But to me, it was always sort of to me a ruse to say, oh, you know, Santorum, he's trying to impose contraception. Well, no, I'm actually not. But I do believe it's something that if you look at what's happened since contraception has been, there have been some benefits clearly, and they've been documented. But I think there also has been, to me, a degradation of sex relationships in this country. And I think you're seeing that through.

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  27. That the church's teaching is right on this, that contraception separates the act of love to the end of that, which is for having children, not to say that you can't have sexual relations without having children, but that's the church's teaching is that they should always be combined and that's the best way to do it. It's not just pleasure for pleasure's sake. And so we accept that teaching. And so we've lived by it. And the interesting thing is that at no point in time in my political career have I ever tried to impose that on any piece of legislation or any public policy at all. But I was criticized fairly heavily for having that point of view from a personal point of view.

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  28. Well, that's about abortion, not contraception. Right. That's true. That's true, yes. We're talking about contraception. Okay, all right. But on the contraception side, I mean, the position I've always my wife and I don't do that because we wanted to be open for whatever God has planned for us. And we'll accept that. And we'll accept the responsibility in many cases the burden that comes with that. And we just feel like that.

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  29. Well, I mean, that's a separate issue. The issue with contraception is taught by the Catholic Church is that we should be open to life and that whatever God calls to give us, we should be open to that. And if we don't want to have children, there are ways other than through contraception to not have children. Unless you're raped. Well, obviously that's a different situation if there's an assault. That's clearly the case. But contraception is not. Contraception is not useful.

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  30. The way the body deals with an infection in the amnotic sac, which is where the baby is, is to expel the infection, right? And so she wanted to labor. And we knew when she had a high temperature three days later, we were very happy for three days. And then she got a high temperature, started going to labor. And the threat to her life at that point is had she not delivered that baby, she and the baby both would have died. And so she ended up delivering the baby. And he was born alive and lived two hours with us and we held him and loved him as long as we could.

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  31. Well, the surgery itself was not, well, I guess ultimately it did have a risk to her, but they had interuterine surgery up in Philadelphia and at the University of Pennsylvania Hospital. And the surgery actually worked. It was experimental, but it worked. But she got an infection because of the surgery opens the womb up to infection.

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  32. And that was like, you know, you talk about rocking your world. And so it was that battle to try to save his life, which we tried to do.

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  33. And she, we were all sort of panicked, and we had our three kids in the room because we thought, oh, we're going to see the baby and everything. And the doctor walked in and didn't have the greatest bedside manner. He just basically looked at it and turned to us and said, quote, your son has a fatal defect and is going to die

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  34. Like to be life threatening. Like your child Yeah, we were told when we had a routine sonogram halfway through the pregnancy of 20 weeks and the sonographer just kept going over this one area. And we said, so what's going on? She said, well, I can't tell you and I have to get the doctor and the doctor comes in. Your wife.

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  35. Genetic defect, yeah. And it was during the, you know, we were debating this bill on the floor of the Senate, the partial birth abortion bill, and the debate was all about, well, we have to keep abortion. Because women find out late in pregnancy that their child has a defect and they may want to terminate the pregnancy. And of course defect being

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  36. Good. Not talking about legislation, but talking about how we're handling ourselves and are we accountable to each other. So I'd sort of put things in place to sort of help. And I think that certainly that arc has changed who I am. And then personal things happen. I mean, we lost a son.

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  37. The things that I did. And it's just if you're running at that pace and you're intensely involved and engaged in the battle every day of your life, it's going to come out on the things that you say and do. And so I think the fact that I did have a six-year term and about several months into my term, we went to a church in Northern Virginia where a pastor was just, the priest was just amazing and really spoke to me for the first time. It was the best homily I'd ever heard. And we got engaged with him and with that church and just started me on a journey. I started going to Bible studies in the Senate, started a men's group where four of us would get together twice a week to sort of be accountable to each other on a personal basis for our faith and for our family and for our, you know, just being.

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  38. I was probably the first one they voted for, but now I'm probably the norm for what they vote for. But I decided to take a crack at a Senate race that you run for the Senate and you're in the House. I mean, I was a maniac. And it really wasn't after that intense period of time that I got elected, I had a six-year term, I moved my family down, and life began to have a rhythm to it again, where I was a normal person. And I think part of the

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  39. And so we sort of went on this journey for a little bit, but it really wasn't until I came to the United States Senate, because my first four years of Congress, I mean, I was just, I mean, I was running and then I got elected and I knew I was going to be in this new district that was a horrible district that no one gave me a chance to, so I just, I was just a maniac. I mean, I just went everywhere, did everything, and we had two little babies at the time. And then, so I won re-election, decided shortly after that I probably wouldn't survive in that district for very long. It would take one bad year, and no matter what my favorite. And by the way, I got 63%, a 70s registered Democratic district, but I knew that over time, you know, votes would catch up with you because I was pretty conservative. And I thought I could move the district. And as you see, now Western Pennsylvania has moved dramatically. And a lot of those voters now vote continually Republican.

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  40. Particularly strong Catholics at the time. She probably was in better shape than I was in many respects. But we got married. And, you know, when you get married, you sort of sit back, and particularly we got pregnant within like three or four months after we got married. And all of a sudden now you got, hey, you got a kid coming and it's sort of time to grow up. Now, I was running for Congress at the time, but still it was from a standpoint of your own personal behavior and your personal morals and ethics. It's just time to, you know, now you've got to set an example. Now you've got to form the next generation and you've got that responsibility that to me was very heavy for both of Karen and me. And so we decided to get more engaged and involved in our faith community and just not just the church itself, but outside the church and reading.

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  41. Yeah, we have together. Together. It really was when I got married. We sort of started on that journey. We got married. And neither of us were, I would say,

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  42. But today, if you do that, then you're a sellout. And that's just wrong. It's counterproductive to To make in our institutions work, and people are so concerned about the failure of our institutions to function correctly, and part of it is driven by the demand for purity on both sides of the aisle. So talk about...

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  43. We were both opposed to that. But it was in the public library system. So there were opportunities to work together. If you look for them, if you look for them and...

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  44. That's the difference to do that. Yeah, that's the difference that has happened over the past 25 years. When I was doing compromise bills with Barbara Boxer on dolphin safe tuna, for example, Today, that would be seen as, well, maybe not that, but there would be other things that we would work on that would be seen. I worked with Hillary Clinton on pornography. And the fact that you would work with someone. I presume you were opposed.

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  45. Truly epic. Confrontations on the floor of the Senate on the issue of abortion more than one, literally dozens. And some are legion on both sides for one reason or the other. But I actually worked on three or four different bills that we sponsored together and got passed while we were having these very, very strident debates. We were working on other subject areas where we found common ground. And to me, that's what's missing, in my opinion, is that you can have good, strong principled, even fiery debates, but it's not personal. You have to understand that we're both there to try to do something we think is in the best interest of the country. And you've got to look for those things. You've got to find those opportunities because it's your responsibility to try to move the ball forward. And you can't get it done in this town 95% of the time without doing it with someone on the other side. Yeah.

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  46. I think if you look at the record of things that I actually accomplished in a bipartisan way, it's actually a fairly long and impressive list. And part of that was in spite of the bombast, I take the example of Barbara Boxer and me. I mean, Barbara Boxer and I are probably former center from California as far away politically as you can possibly get. And we had

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  47. In some respects, you can say I may have led the charge of me. I remember Robert Byrd would always excoriate me for being talking like I was in a bar. And so again, I take full responsibility for all that. And some of the things I don't regret having said, but a lot of them I do. what I said, but how I said it. And that matters. And I get that. And so, you know, for me. Part of what Arked me in a different direction was the faith journey. And the second thing is even through all those times, one of the things that I felt was that you have a responsibility to be there, not to just advance whatever cause you want, to actually get something done. And so while people will say, you know, I was bombastic.

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  48. That's my fault. I mean, I take complete responsibility for that. And, you know, when you're dealing with a media that is generally hostile to people who think like I do, they're not going to give you the benefit of the doubt that they're going to give a Joe Biden if he happens to say something that maybe isn't the best thing to say and they're going to report it and they're not going to report it in a way that's going to be very nice. And I knew that I should have known better to do those things. I can blame it on the fact that I was 32 when I came to the house and 36 when I came to the Senate. But you know what? You weren't 22. I mean, so.

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  49. Yeah, there's absolutely. I mean, there's certain comments I made that were flippant, that were off the cuff in a way that was maybe tried to be cute or tried to be tried, whatever, whatever, that I wish I had not said the way I said them because I know that people were hurt by them. And I think it gave people an impression of me that hurt me in their eyes because I don't think the most common comment I get from people after I get a chance to spend time is, boy, you're nothing like I thought you would be.

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  50. Yeah. Carrie apologized to me for that, by the way. But it still sticks out there. Actually, it's funny because Kerry and I actually had a pretty good relationship.

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